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Parallel Universes Are Real

It's in Scientific American, it must be true. This month's cover story: Parallel Universes. "The simplest and most popular cosmological model today predicts that you have a twin in a galaxy about 10 to the 1028 meters from here." That number's a lot bigger than 10 to the 101.42 meters, which are the farthest observable objects in what we call our universe. And anyway, twin or not, anyone outside my light-cone is dead to me. That's just a rule I have. If you're skeptical of the multiverse, go read our discussion of a similar article from two days ago.

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  1. I don't know about your eyes by dunedan · · Score: 5, Funny

    but I can see a lot farther than 10^1.42 meters

    1. Re:I don't know about your eyes by DeanAsh · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is 10 to the 10 to the 1.42, which is significantly longer.

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  2. Ace by rnicey · · Score: 5, Funny

    So Captain Ace Rimmer should be turning up any moment now?

  3. This doesn't make sense by Eanmig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there are infinitely many universes and in each one I do something different and play out every possibility. Then one of the other me's will build a means to cross this space and enter mine. I could assume that I am in one of the universes where my double did not go. But why hasn't any other doubles been visiting us and telling us this? Is anyone else getting a headache?

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    1. Re:This doesn't make sense by L0k11 · · Score: 5, Funny
      no, because when your double does come to this universe he is going to kill you in order to make himself more powerful....

      hey, someone should make a movie about that... they could call it "the guy who travels into parallel universes to kill himself and get ultimate power"

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  4. Scientific Omnirican by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone else noticed that Scientific American has suffered some serious Omni-fication in the past couple of years?

    I let my subscription lapse a couple of years ago and when I got around to re-subscribing last year I found quite a few unpleasant surprises.

    The last page of the old rag was always the Connections column, which was really interesting and entertaining. It's gone.

    Gone also are all of the even vaguely scientific articles. There seemed to be a slant towards ridiculous stories on the edge of pseudo-science, much like in Omni magazine (is that in print anymore?). And every issue featured a sensationalist story centered around the threat of terrorism - stories about dirty bombs, biological weapons, new wiretapping technology, etc. It felt like they were desperately trying to attract readers by featuring stories with the same kind of scare tactics that the 11:00 news (which I haven't watched voluntarily in many years) resorts to.

    Needless to say, I've let my subscription lapse again. Too bad, I used to really like that mag.

    1. Re:Scientific Omnirican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That was a fairly omni-ish article, but you gotta love the thumbnail pic of the "Multiverse", with the link below it: "Click here for a full-size illustration"

  5. Probabilities and reality by wackybrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article asserts: In infinite space, even the most unlikely events must take place somewhere.

    So there is a place where everyone on Slashdot is getting laid! Quick, let's fire up the old improbability drive and head out there and join them!

    Seriously though, this is no major jump in thinking, and is rather flawed when you stick to the basics. Just because something may be infinite in size does not necessarily mean there are an infinite number of events taking place within that space. There is no such thing as a probability of exactly 1 or exactly 0. That's why we have probability theory in the first place.

  6. Asuumptions..assumptions and assumptions! by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The estimate is derived from elementary probability and does not even assume speculative modern physics, merely that space is infinite (or at least sufficiently large) in size and almost uniformly filled with matter, as observations indicate.

    • Scientists debate on wether universe is finite or infinite
    • There is debate on uniformity of matter also, mostly it is thought that matter is distributed uniformaly over observable space
    So the debate lives on! And i guess calling these as parallel universe is a misnomer, this is the same universe, not in another dimension(like we have the in the movie "The One")
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  7. We will know that we have found it by cyber_rigger · · Score: 5, Funny


    when we find a humongous ball of mismatched socks that have traveled through the 4th dimension.

  8. David Deutsch's theory by abhikhurana · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Long time back another scientist, David Deutsch[http://www.qubit.org/people/david/David.ht ml] proposed a similar therory to explain Young's double slit experiment. This theory indicates that there exists a universe for every possibility. Every time an event could have more than one outcome there is a universe created for each outcome. In our universe a meteorite caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. A parallel universe exists in which the meteorite missed Earth, and possibly several others in which the meteorite struck another planet or was not formed at all. In a parallel universe Hitler did not invade Russia and consequently won the Second World War. In yet another, Elvis is still alive. This theory explains the double slit experiment by saying that quantum phenomena are the result of interactions across universes. When a single electron passes through a slit it interacts with the electron from a parallel universe, in which the electron went through the other slit, producing the pattern. This explains the pattern produced by passing one electron through the slit at a time. This theory applies to time travel in how it allows for reverse time travel to accommodate paradoxes. When one travels back in time, one travels back into a universe created for the possibility of time travel. This universe runs in parallel with the universe from which the traveller came. Everything will be identical to the past in the original universe, and alterations will have the same effect as they would have if they had occurred in the original universe. However, because it is a parallel universe, and not the universe that created the traveller, the traveller will not be affected by any changes he makes. He could kill himself, his father, his grandfather or whoever, and while he is erased from the parallel universe, he continues to exist because he is not from this new universe. Thus no paradox is created, and only the destruction of himself by suicide or personal attack, or his time machine, could see him affected by the outcomes of his actions, and even then no paradox is created. This provides a method by which paradoxes can be avoided and reverse time travel allowed. This theory has parallels such as the alternative histories approach. This theory allows reverse time travel without consequences by having the time traveller travel back onto a different timeline and thus is insulated from any actions which should in theory affect him or cause a paradox. The full text of this theory can be found at http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0104033

    1. Re:David Deutsch's theory by LiamQ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is there a parallel universe in which you used multiple paragraphs so that people would read your comment completely?

  9. A "Simple" Explanation by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Informative

    It goes like this. There are approximately 10^120 particle positions (the smallest quantized unit of space) in the observable universe (and there are 10^90 particles in the universe). Assuming each "particle position" is a boolean (either a particle is there or it's not), there are 2^10^120 possible observable universes (a sphere of space 40 billion light-years across). Now, we have cosmological evidence that the entire universe goes on forever ... so using simple math we can derive a much larger sphere encompassing so many universes that, at some point, all possible particle position combinations are exhausted and there MUST be another 40-billion-light-years-across universe that is exactly the same as the one we currently inhabit. The distance they've calculated is around 10^42 meters. So, that far away, there should be an exact replicate of you, reading this exact post at this exact same instance, and modding it up as Informative :-)

  10. Re:If my twin is reading this... by jeblucas2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks for the tip.

  11. Multiverse to Nadaverse to Omniverse by cosmosis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know what I am about to write is radical, but please give it some thought before rendering an opinion on it. It's not exactly technological speculation as it is philosophical speculation on the ultimate limits (if there are any) of the technological metaphor.

    Up to this point in nearly all discussions of extreme/speculative tech what we are trying to do is maximally stretch our imagination as to what is possible within the realm of currently known scientific law. And for those of us who've been frequenting transhumanist circles for any period of time, we know the current limits of science portend a lot - uploading, indefinite lifespans, traversible wormholes, jupiter brains, basement universes, etc.

    Now lets assume that our current understanding of the known laws of physics are invariable. Lets assume that the Grand Unified Theory really is the grand theory they claim it to be.

    I have been engaging in some discussion lately about the begining of the universe, and for the first time (amazingly enough) I pushed the 'Where did it come from' question through as far as it can go. And, not surprisingly, it doesn't go anywhere. No matter how you try to explain the origin of the universe, none of the theories can account for the cause of it. What caused the big bang? Where did 'God' come from? etc.

    From this, i concluded that there cannot be a begining. If there was a begining, then something must have caused that begining, and so something was there before the begining.

    This doesn't answer anything, but I am yet to see another way around the causality problem (defining something as 'acausal' doesn't solve it, it just dodges it).

    Now, linked to this 'where did the universe come from?' problem is, 'Where did the incredible laws, which make our universe a coherent place come from?', which is what I think underlies it all. Once the universe began, it is easy to say 'the laws guided the evolution of everything from there'....but how did the laws come to be? Why are they so perfect? (weak anthropic principle could be an acceptable argument here).

    When you think of an omniverse that has no beginning, then we are talking about something that is temporally at least infinite in duration, something ultimately beyond time itself, where concepts of a beginning and an end have no meaning. I think what this also means is that any one set of properties/laws we experience are also ultimately entirely arbitrary. If they are not then we must ask ourselves what meta-laws are behind it governing what types of laws are allowed and which are not? And then we have to ask ourselves where did these metalaws come from? And then meta-meta-laws and so on to infinity. And, not surprisingly, it doesn't go anywhere. No matter how you try to explain the origin of any laws, none of the theories can account for the cause of those laws. From this, I concluded there can be no fundamental laws.

    So if there are no fundamental laws, no limts, then everything is possible. If not, why not? And we are right back to an arbitray set of laws with no explanation. And since we are used to applying the metaphor of technology to such things, we could (at least for fun) call such tech based on a lack of laws nada-technology or onto-technology. The technology of reality itself. I like to call it nadatech becuase ulitimatly it's based on nothing... no laws, no limits, nothing at all.

    So what do we do with nada- or onto-technology?

    Anything. Everything.

    Either way, the ultimate lack of any fundamental laws implies that everything is possible and probably already exists exists in a timeless standing quantum probability wave in eternity.

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    1. Re:Multiverse to Nadaverse to Omniverse by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think one of the basic problems is the perception of time. To state that something has a definitive begining, middle, and end maybe a bit skewed. We like to define time as such because that is how we operate (born, live, die)... we like to see the universe as a reflection of ourselves. Basic to quantum physics: we are the measuring device, and that device has limitations.

      I tend to wonder if there aren't different modalities for time. Linear, loop, and radial are the only ones I could find. There are probably others.

      The radial one is very interesting to me. Pretty much co-opted from an Ellison story (well, at least I did). A singular event hapening in several different frames of time (kind of the Copenhagen idea in reverse). I muse that Passover might be akin to this (god looking at the world once, but being able to see it at different points in time= omnipotent). I wonder if this is what is really being stated by the multiverse idea.

      But we are kind of stuck by the limitations of the measuring device. Kind of the Madelbrot set idea, you can have infinite possibilities within a defined framework, except you can't break free from the boarders. Tempest in a teapot. Maybe there was never a teapot. Maybe we are the teapot.
      Maybe there is nothing beyond. We all find out eventually.

      Or as I like to put it, you can do whatever you want (except maybe not be you). You just have to figure out how to get there. I think we are well on our way. Onward to the metaverse/panverse.

  12. Re:Buddhism and science tie together reasonably we by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If this were true, why is it the case that science developed greatly in the Christian world (that has now been become secular) and not in the Buddhistic world?

    That's an excellent point. I think you may have answered your own question though. Science has only become revered and far reaching in secular societies.

    The other reason is that while Buddhism accepts science and, in some cases, follows it, it is ultimately a faith whose believers are trying to break away from the 'human realm'.

    Why do we spend so much time on science and discovery? Even if we made contact with aliens, managed to grow crops on the moon, and all had cellphones, what good is that? When you're dealing with faith, issues of science and technology are almost irrelevant. Buddhists are trying to reach Nirvana, not NYC on their cellphones.

    So while Buddhism may comfortably live alongside science, compared with other religions, it does not actively participate in developing it.