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Phoenix and Minotaur Get New Names

blazerw11 writes "Phoenix and Minotaur have been officially renamed to Firebird for the browser and Thunderbird for the mail client. Interestingly, they're both named after cars I often see in my neighbors' lawns. At least these cars were pretty fast before they were put up on cinder blocks. Personally, I like the names and the browser is great. I'm writing this with one of the last Phoenix Nightlies."

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  1. Re:a great compact browser by Effugas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you tried runtime-compressing the Phoenix binary with UPX? Let me know how it goes.

    --Dan
    www.doxpara.com

  2. Re:Umm... by smcpeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One issue I see right away is this "Firebird" is not the same as the one found in http://firebird.sourceforge.net/ which could be confusing to people looking for this Firebird (or confusing to the people looking for the other Firebird...)

  3. Why not.... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not rename phoenix to "Internet Explorer", just to fuck with M$.
    After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
    Plus that way they can get totally clueless joe six-packs to download thinking they are upgrading their IE,
    Wow imagine the user base generated by that ?

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  4. Wasn't AMD naming their chips after cars too? by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Didn't AMD use Mustang and Thunderbird originally for their chips before they were released?

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  5. What about Composer? by babymac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I'd really like to know is...has the old (Netscape) Composer been spun off into its own, stand-alone program? It sounds silly, but I really liked Composer. Simple and straightforward HTML creation. I'd love to see it offered as a stand-alone!

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  6. moto? by diesel_jackass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's too bad they didn't name [Phoenix] after a motorcycle. It would've made much more sense. Motorcycles are faster, lighter, more compact, more efficient, and way more fun than crappy cars.

  7. while looking around phoenix by lingqi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay not completely on-topic, but:

    I have noticed that RadialContext, which is probably the best thing that happened to browsers since the mouse, is now available for Phoenix, or Thunderbird, or whatever.

    A little note on that is you can change all the skins to pngs (do a global replace on the sript files) and lower the opacity to like 70% or so. suddenly you've got transparenty menus! Looks sweet as all heck.

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  8. Re:"Firebird" is also taken by GroovBird · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's right, and get this:

    The company that primarily exists to support and improve Firebird and which employs many ex-Borland people (including the inventor of Interbase) is called IBPhoenix.

    Dave

  9. Re:"Firebird" is also taken by Narcissus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's true, it won't be, but who is really treading on whose toes in this whole Phoenix issue? Phoenix make a BIOS, and along comes a browser named Phoenix. Let's face it, there's a better chance of accidentally installing a relational database instead of the intended browser than installing a BIOS instead of the browser.

    Now along comes Phoenix, and decide they're going to write a browser, and so get shitty that the name is already used. It was out of their domain, a different domain, and now that they're going into this new domain, they should have to deal with what's already there.

    Compare this to the whole Apple music thing that's going on. Isn't this really like Apple (the software company) moving into the music domain and forcing Apple (the music company) to change their name?

  10. Given windows market share... by raehl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Shouldn't customer confusion be assumed?

  11. Idiots using duplicate names by mattr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dumb. They will find that firebird.sourceforge.net has been taken already, Firebird is Interbase, the open source version of borland db which is run by real professionals who run a real db consulting business. And the next version is being built. They really don't need a raft of people making mistakes about their name. Pick your own!

  12. Re:Request. by henben · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "Chimera" was also just renamed to Camino.

    I think there's a need for a "naming software projects HOWTO", covering:

    1. How to choose a name that won't be taken off you within a year
    2. How to choose a name that won't hinder acceptance by some users (I'm looking at you, BitchX).
    3. How to choose a name that's Googleable (and not something like, say, There).
  13. Re:in related news... by Surak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What is it with browsers and e-mail clients being named after cars anyway?

    Netscape Navigator -> Lincoln Navigator
    Internet Explorer -> Ford Explorer
    Lynx -> Mercury Lynx
    Mozilla Firebird -> Pontiac Firebird
    Mozilla Thunderbird -> Ford Thunderbird

    Hmmmm...all Ford products with the exception of Firebird. Maybe they should've picked 'Mustang'. ;)

  14. Re:in related news... by Monkey+Angst · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Netscape Navigator -> Lincoln Navigator
    Those are all pretty funny, except that Netscape's Navigator predates Lincoln's. Both suffer from bloat, though.
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  15. Shades of Harry Potter by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know where this bizarre name-changing ideology comes from?

    The first Harry Potter book was the Philosopher's stone everywhere except the US, where it was the Sorcerer's stone. Phoenix, a mythical bird that consumed itself with fire, has been replaced with...firebird. Minotaur, a half man/half bull has been replaced with...thunderbird???

    Seems like most of these name changes involve a dumbing down of the name. There are other examples around too. The question then, is WHY???

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  16. Re:Bloody Codenames! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Phoenix BIOS has a browser which doesn't require an os. That was the conflict.