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Former DoubleClick Exec Named Privacy Czar

tsu doh nimh writes "A former executive for banner ad giant DoubleClick has been selected to be the first ever privacy czar for the Department of Homeland Security, says this Washingtonpost.com story." Just leaves you speechless ....

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  1. Puh-lease by ChaoticChaos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will we start getting Homeland Security updates through banner ads? Will popup banner ads now be government endorsed? ;-)

    Surely they could find someone with a better resume than that? Surely?

    1. Re:Puh-lease by fubar1971 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's kind of like appointing Tommy Chong as the new Drug Czar.

      Interviewer: Mr. Chong, what can you bring to this position?

      Tomy Chong: Like.....Man....I know alot about....Hey, who's hungry?

  2. Asking the burglar to guard the house by dtolton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a related move Osama Bin Laden has been appointed as the
    first ever Terror Czar. Bin Laden was not immediately available
    for comment.

    From the article it sounds like this post will be more of a
    public relations position than anything. Rather than appointing
    someone who worked for a company notorious for trampling
    people's privacy rights, IMO they should have appointed someone
    who has a record of protecting an upholding our right to
    privacy. Had they appointed someone with that type of track
    record maybe the cabinet could have had an honest dialogue about
    privacy rights in general, rather than simply a discussion about
    how to phrase the wording of a news release so it doesn't freak
    out the privacy rights groups.

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    Doug Tolton

    "The destruction of a value which is, will not bring value to that which isn't." -John Galt
    1. Re:Asking the burglar to guard the house by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rather than appointing someone who worked for a company notorious for trampling people's privacy rights, IMO they should have appointed someone who has a record of protecting an upholding our right to privacy.

      That's a little harsh. After all, DoubleClick hired her to address the complaints that were coming from users. Her job was to help DoubleClick clean up their act. She isn't the worst possible choice.

    2. Re:Asking the burglar to guard the house by Hard_Code · · Score: 4, Funny

      This one's expectations have been lowered. The program is working. Excellent.

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    3. Re:Asking the burglar to guard the house by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Her job was to help DoubleClick clean up their act.

      No, her job was to help DoubleClick look like they were cleaning up their act.

      In other words, she's the perfect choice for an administration that wants to look like they're respecting people's privacy.

  3. Bizzaro world. by scrotch · · Score: 5, Funny

    This whole presidency is like opposite day.

    1. Re:Bizzaro world. by Teknogeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      I bonked him oppositely by NOT bonking him.

      Start singing.

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  4. No, she sounds like a great choice. by Welsh+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative
    O'Connor Kelly sounds like a good choice for this position. DoubleClick was one of the most grevious privacy offenders on the internet, probably the absolute worst. They were so bad that even the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) got into the act. They're banner ads would abuse bugs in browsers to set cookies that would be able to track you from everywhere by using subdomains of base domains such as .co.uk (most browsers assumed you could set a parent if it was a high level domain like example.com or example.net just by counting the number of dots, but you can't register example.uk, only example.co.uk, so you could effectively set cookies for every purchasable domain) and other nasty tricks. They claimed that they didn't store personal data, but it was obvious that they were monitoring and corrolating everything they could, and the wide number of websites that used doubleclick meant they had a huge repository of data to mine.

    O'Connor Kelly came in after DoubleClick was shown to be, well, evil when it came to privacy, to clean things up. Many changes have occured at DoubleClick to fix some of the problems. Given the amount of data DoubleClick had and what they did with it, O'Connor Kelly should have an excellent idea of what abuses you can do when you have that sort of information.

    Hopefully she can step in and help prevent that sort of thing from happening at this level too.

    1. Re:No, she sounds like a great choice. by sdavid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your point is well taken, and she may well have been effective at improving Doubleclick's behaviour. However that doesn't change the fact that she comes from an industry that uses private information for their own profit. No matter how personally beyond reproach she may be, she's still a wolf amoung sheep.

    2. Re:No, she sounds like a great choice. by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All industries use private information for their own profit. Who would you suggest they use?

      Someone anti-industry, like Ralph Nader

    3. Re:No, she sounds like a great choice. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Interesting
      > > All industries use private information for their own profit. Who would you suggest they use?
      >
      > Someone anti-industry, like Ralph Nader

      Or someone pro-industry like Bruce Schneier, Phil Zimmerman, Eben Moglen, or Lawrence Lessig. (My dream picks: Schneier first, Lessig second.)

      I don't care if my Privacy Czar is pro-industry or not. I care if they're pro-privacy or not. Unless "Privacy Czar" one of those backwards honorifics like "Drug Czar", in which case, yeah, someone from Doubleclick is perfect. :-)

  5. Wrong department. by mcgroarty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't this be "from the-foxes-guarding-the-henhouse dept." -- ?

  6. Hehehe by Bendebecker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Click on this banner for information on protecting your privacy!

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  7. Kevin Mitnick by hey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... or like hiring Kevin Mitnick as a security
    consultant - ha ha. Oh wait that's not a joke.

  8. Is this really that ludicrous? by Snowspinner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before the huge storm of criticism starts, let's ask ourselves:

    How would this be different from hiring Kevin Mitnick to handle security issues?

    The we like Kevin Mitnick more than we like ad agencies is not sufficient grounds for an objection. What I want to know is, why shouldn't we hire knowledgable people away from doing what we don't want, and into doing what we do want?

    1. Re:Is this really that ludicrous? by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Funny

      This DoubleClick exec doesn't think the things his company did were wrong. That's the difference.

      Hi everybody, it's time to play, spot the idiot. The idiot has several characteristics, the most notable one is the inability to form a sentence without being absolutely wrong. For example, "...the things his company did..." is exceptionally wrong, because this DoubleClick exec happens to be a woman.

      Proof that they don't know what they are talking about, nor that they know who this person is.

      The second sign of an idiot is the ability to peer inside of others heads and illustrate what it is that they are thinking. For example, "This DoubleClick exec doesn't think ..." Aside from their actual lack of ability in doing such things, this is nothing of the case. As she was brought in to clean up DoubleClicks act after the FTC started coming down. After she came on board, DoubleClick cleaned up their privacy violations. This would illustrate that DoubleClick does care about privacy, after enforced to do so, and this executive happens to care very much about it, as it is her career.

      There are many other signs to point to an idiot, these are just the most prominent. Stay tuned for next weeks, "When Idiots Post"

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  9. why so speechless? by jlusk4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article:

    The privacy rights community generally views O'Connor Kelly as a consensus builder, but it is too soon to say how much influence she will have in protecting Americans' privacy rights, said Ari Schwartz, associate director at the Center for Democracy and Technology.

    "One of the things we liked (about her job) at DoubleClick was that she worked hard to build relationships with the privacy community and to vet their new policies with these groups," Schwartz said.

    Why would this leave you any more speechless than hiring Kevin Mitnick to do security for a large corporation?

    Get some balance in your outlook.

    John.

  10. Why's this bad? by MojoMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    "She joined DoubleClick in February 2000 after the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation into complaints that the company was improperly storing and sharing private user data. DoubleClick also was embroiled in similar investigations by 12 state attorneys general and several class-action lawsuits.

    DoubleClick settled most of those lawsuits, and created a division specializing in privacy compliance, which O'Connor Kelly ran. "


    Sounds to me like some changes were make by O'Connor Kelly and privacy was improved. I'd say it takes a pretty strong person to go into a company as deep in it as Double Click and improve it.

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  11. Anyone have more details? by aengblom · · Score: 4, Insightful
    She joined DoubleClick in February 2000 after the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation into complaints that the company was improperly storing and sharing private user data. ...
    DoubleClick settled most of those lawsuits, and created a division specializing in privacy compliance, which O'Connor Kelly ran.
    Anyone have more details about what her involvement was here. From this article, I'm not sure I can jump to the conclusion that she's evil. Just curious, this certainly makes you think anyway.
    Thanks for answers! ;-)
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  12. Privacy Czar? by Ryu2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even the title of Privacy Czar for the Homeland Security department seems oxymoronic. Isn't the direction the USA is taking with Homeland Security towards giving up your privacy rights, with all these new laws passed?

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    1. Re:Privacy Czar? by Catiline · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it makes perfect sense. We have a Drug Czar (John Walters) and a Terrorism Czar (Tom Ridge), both of whose jobs are to eradicate the things they are Czar "of". Therefore, the Prizacy Czar's job is to eradicate privacy. Ergo, the title makes perfect sense.

  13. Come on now people. by Geekenstein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, we have another /. double standard. How many times have I watched people here applaud when a former cracker gets appointed to a top position in security?

    But God Forbid someone who knows the ins and outs of privacy abuses, a person who would know BEST how to protect against them, gets the chance to do so. They're evil and will always be evil!

  14. Selective editorializing.... by Orne · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the cutting and pasting, the submitter clipped an important word from the opening paragraph...

    "The former privacy officer of Internet advertising giant DoubleClick will be the Department of Homeland Security's first privacy czar, Bush administration officials said. "

    Yes, she once worked for DoubleClick, but she only started AFTER the FTC sited them for privacy abuses. So she went in, cleaned them up, settled their lawsuits, and moved on. She now works for the Department of Commerce.

    So, she ran the privacy clean-up for DoubleClick, and now she's picked to do the same thing, monitoring privacy for the government's latest fad, Homeland Security. Is this a problem? Or is it only a problem because she was picked by a conservative?

    1. Re:Selective editorializing.... by pergamon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, its still possibly (and IMHO, probably) a problem.

      She ran cleanup, meaning she got DoubleClick out of the FTC doghouse. Her job was to save DoubleClick because they did things they shouldn't have, not to save the privacy rights of consumers.

      I sincerely doubt her position is there to protect the privacy rights of US citizens, but rather just to tell the Homeland Security Department how far they can go according to the law. If someone is trying to push through new legislation that encroaches on privacy rights, don't expect this person (in this position, not this woman in particular) to lobby to stop or even challenge it.

      To directly address the most common analogy I've seen in the comments: This is less like calling in Kevin Mitnick to help beef up security, and more like a hacker/cracker calling in Mitnick's lawyer to advise him on ways to stay out of trouble even though his goal is still to try to get away with hacking into systems.

  15. I dont WANT a consensus builder in that job! by alispguru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Consensus" is what got us into the current privacy mess! The current "compromise" on most personal financial data is that data holders have to tell you what their sharing policy is (in dense legalese text which usually has "we will share with basically anybody who will pay us for it" buried in it) and give you the chance to "opt out".

    If the regulations had been made with consumers in mind at all, the default would have been to not share data and to only allow sharing when people opt-in. This would make private data a liability rather than an asset.

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    1. Re:I dont WANT a consensus builder in that job! by Taldo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Having a 'consensus builder' in this job would be a good thing. EXCEPT that the other side has no valid or legitimate position.

      I refuse to accept a consensus with evil.

      How about we come to a 'consensus' with spammers? 'Well we'll only send you ads we think you want.'

      How about with abortion clinic bombers? 'Well we'll be more careful about which buildings we bomb.'

      How about with technophobes? 'Well... you can research this but you can't do any actual experiments or release actual products.'

      Let's not just have a knee-jerk reaction that 'consensus is good.' It isn't always. Consensus is good when it accomodates people who have reasonable goals and expectations. The Gestapo doesn't fall under this category.

  16. Depends on the point of view... by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the reason why she was chosen is because she knows how to tread the line between legal privacy and illegal privacy. However, this is not what I would want in my government. Because it means, yet again I cannot trust the government....

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    1. Re:Depends on the point of view... by zaphod123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In case you missed your history classes, the US "Founding Fathers" didn't trust government. In fact, they felt that government was not trustworthy.
      That is why there was the attempt to put all the checks and balances in place.

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  17. Playing devil's advocate... by geekwench · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Having read the article, I can't find anything that leads me to believe that Ms. O'Connor Kelly is guilty of anything othere than being employed by a company that was guilty of privacy abuses. It was stated, in fact, that she came on-board with DoubleClick after the investigation, and was responsible for cleaning up the company's act. How utterly reprehensible! :)
    My actual worry is that this will be nothing more than an "honorary" posting; something that Ashcroft can point to and say "See? We've got someone working on privacy issues," while carefully not pointing out that she's not allowed to actually do anything about privacy protection. Although, the mention that the "Total Information Awareness" program has been - at least temporarily - derailed has me breathing a little easier.

    Of course, if it does come down to a worse-case scenario, I'm going to have to unblock DoubleClick's cookies, or I'll be in big trouble!

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  18. Not so crazy... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least "the Hedgehog" wouldn't tell poor people with 10 kids in countries with 40% HIV infection that using condoms is a sin.

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  19. RTFA by phyxeld · · Score: 5, Informative
    As bad as slashdot has made it sound, after reading the article I think this is actually a good thing. From the text:
    O'Connor Kelly is well acquainted with the often bitter debate over balancing privacy rights with other interests. She joined DoubleClick in February 2000 after the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation into complaints that the company was improperly storing and sharing private user data. DoubleClick also was embroiled in similar investigations by 12 state attorneys general and several class-action lawsuits.

    DoubleClick settled most of those lawsuits, and created a division specializing in privacy compliance, which O'Connor Kelly ran.
    chrisd is either intentionally trying to stir shit up with sensational misrepresentation of facts, or he just skimmed the article before posting it and didn't bother to get the whole story. In either case, I think this is definitely worthy of an Update: on the front page, noting that the individual in question was responsible for cleaning up DoubleClick's privacy catastrophies, rather than causing them.

    I'm really glad I read the article on this post, because after only reading the slashdot version I had a very different opinion on the matter than I do now!
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    1. Re:RTFA by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just finished reading the article, and I had simmilar feelings, but perhaps not to the extent of yours. The article doesn't say she neccesarily "cleaned up" DoubleClick, or that she was hired by DoubleClick to do anything other than whitewash the company in the face of federal scrutiny. Perhaps she has been chosen to do the same for the government now? I don't really know one way or the other, all I have to rely on right now is the history of both DoubleClick and the Bush administration, neither of which are remotely good in the face of privacy. REMOTELY. All I know is, if the Bush administration is looking for a privacy advocate, there's plenty of places they can go other than DoubleClick that would make MUCH MUCH more sense. Like, say, the people who raised the suit against DoubleClick in the first place.

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    2. Re:RTFA by platypus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, and the exec from microsoft who cleaned up microsofts anti trust catastrophes should lead the departement of justice.

      Please, the more data a company like doubleclick is can grab from/about people (legally), the more profitable they are. Do you really think the most important criterium she had to meet was being a privacy evangelist???
      She just had to play one on TV.
      OTOH, that probably make her a perfect fit for her new job.

  20. In other news... by Rai · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bill Gates named Open Source Czar, Jack Valenti named VP of Consumer Fair-Use, and John Wayne Gacy named Director of Child-Protective Services.

  21. this is no weirder than the fact that.... by wuchang · · Score: 5, Funny

    the best rapper is white
    the best golfer is black
    the tallest NBA player is chinese
    the swiss hold the america's cup
    france is accusing the u.s. of arrogance
    germany doesn't want to go to war
    and the three most powerful men in america are named "bush", "dick", and "colon".

  22. Irony by kinnell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who says Americans don't have a sense of irony.

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  23. You're missing a *very* important point by jtheory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the exact same paragraph and it *confirmed* my concerns.

    Look at this in perspective: DoubleClick is a huge organization that is having serious problems with lawsuits because it's trampling all over people's privacy. They bring in O'Connor Kelly, who does a good job settling *most* of the lawsuits (note: settling != defeating) and starts a new division to help keep DoubleClick safe from future lawsuits. DoubleClick continues to do as much data-mining and collection as it possibly can (because that's STILL the core of its business) but now it avoids most of the unpleasant and costly public lawsuits.

    Now substitute "the US Govt" for "DoubleClick". Fits pretty well, doesn't it? It doesn't sound *too* bad... until you consider that they're still planning on doing as much privacy invasion as they can possibly get away with... she'll just help them walk that wavy line.

    Think about the difference if the new privacy advisor were, say, one of the "12 state attorneys general" who were prosecuting DoubleClick, or someone involved in the "several class-action lawsuits" from the other side. Or ANYONE who had privacy advocacy experience from the victims' side.

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  24. Almost as bad as... by NecrosisLabs · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..naming James Watt as secretary of the interior. Oh wait, that's been done. how about...
    ..having Kissinger head a probe about Intelligence failures. Oh yeah. Ok, let's try
    ..having John Ashcroft head the Deparment of Justice.

    Ok, that's it. I give up.

  25. The old "revolving door" again... by aquarian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a perfect example of what's known as "the revolving door" between industry and government. Traditionally, the big problems have been in the defense and heavy construction industries, so many computer people probably don't understand it.

    Here's how it goes -- an industry bigwig is selected for a regulatory post because of "expertise" in a certain area. After all, they have all this experience, and have risen to prominence, so they must be well-qualified, no? They work for the government for awhile. They make contacts. And if they "play ball" while in their government position, they get a great job offers from private industry when their term expires. Sometimes these offers are innocent and genuine, but sometimes they're outrageous, obvious, and blatant rewards for having done someone's bidding while in office. And there's every shade of gray in between.

    As I mentioned, the most common industry for this is heavy construction. It's most common at the local level -- particularly with construction managers who work as city/county inspectors, and then construction managers, or consultants, again. This is actually illegal in many places, but there are many ways to get around the letter of the law -- shell companies, etc. Sometimes it's so bad that when an inspector gets fired for obvious, intentional lack of diligence, he shows up the very next day on the same jobsite, on the contractor's payroll, making three times what the position would normally pay -- thumbing his nose at his former bosses. Nice "reward," eh, without having to take an actual bribe!

    Of course, construction is an extreme example, being a somwhat bare-knuckle industry anyway. But the same conflict of interest exists everywhere else. And no matter how subtle the conflict of interest may be, the effects of it are felt by us all, and our society suffers.

    Other areas of our society which could be very easily ruined by such conflict of interest are adversarial by design. Our courts, for example -- lawyers don't flip-flop between representing one side then the other. Good journalists aren't supposed to get too chummy with the people they're reporting on. Economist Milton Friedman has often commented on staying out of industry, worrying that it might corrupt his science, or give the appearance of doing so. Likwise, regulators should maintain the same distance from the industries they're regulating.

  26. Announcement by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Washington, April 16, 2003

    Presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer announced today that President Bush has, after consulting with VP Dick Cheney, other members of his cabinet and unidentified experts from the poultry industry that The Fox would be put in charge of The Henhouse.

    "We think The Fox will lend invaluable experience to the management of The Henhouse," said Fleischer. "He has decades of experience with both eggs and with chickens, a breadth of experience that most other candidates just don't have."

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  27. Too Many Czars by buckminster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is anyone else concerned about the increasing number of government sanctioned Czars in America? At what point did we become a Czarist nation?