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3G phones: Send Anywhere, But Not Anything
glengyron writes "The Sydney Morning Herald is reporting the success of an Australian company in developing Digital Rights Management for the next generation of mobile phones. Imagine if you could only forward email once, or not at all: these are the kind of restrictions being built into the next generaion of mobile phones. Read the article here. ODRL? Orwellian Digital Rights Language."
From the article:
"If we don't provide consumers with our product in a timely manner, pirates will," Eisner said.
This after Eisner was quoted as saying Disney will not let "the threat of piracy keep it from aggressively pursuing business strategies based on new digital technologies, even if that meant rethinking its current business models."
Someone should forward this to our friends in the music industry.
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If Disney supports it, you better believe that I will. It must be secure and built with the customer's best interest at heart.I'm sure it will be ultra secure, and not rely on things like the DMCA to protect a poor security model, and support all conceivable forms of fair use.
I for one would be glad if forwarding were harder. I really could do without getting pseudo-religious right-wing pro-bomb-the-hell-out-of-country-X email from my grandparents that's more header than text.
"Imagine if you could only forward email once" Then I wouldn't have to deal with all those damn annoying chain e-mails.
Can we just have an "information wants to be free" section and put about half the stories away there? I get the damn point already.
Can we please stop defining it DRM as digital rights management, and start referring to it under the more proper name of digital restriction(s) management?
I got this new definition from Robert Thompson.
Imagine, somebody builds a phone with features you don't like. Gee, what a horrible atrocity.
3G buisness... I don't think I'll worry too much about something as stupid as that... as if any 3g-network provider would build a system that didn't generate traffic... they want traffic, that's where they make their money...
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I wish someone would offer a mobile phone package that had no messaging capability at all. Imagine how great it would be to not get bothered constantly. I would pay extra for such a service.
At least, I've never seen this before. Is it just me?
I don't have to imagine it -- I've used Lotus Notes. They've had that feature at least 2 versions ~6 years. It's an important feature in the corporate world. get over it.
The introduction of cameras and multimedia SMS in the 3G market has given rise to privacy concerns, as we have seen in recent Slashdot coverage.
Consider for a moment that when people could be taking pictures of you with their cell phones at any time and at any place, some basic rights management within this very limited domain of cell phones and messaging might be extremely beneficial.
Let's say I take a quick snap of myself and my new girlfriend, and send it off to my pal across town so he can see how much fun we're having. Do I want that image to reach my parents? Do I want my ex girlfriend to see it? How about my co-workers and enemies? I'd rather not, thanks.
By giving the sender some basic control over where the content goes once it leaves his phone, we would be enhancing the sender's privacy. And, of course, all such "DRM" technologies must be taken with a grain of salt, because you and I and any other techie worth his weight in 3.5" floppies knows that any copy-protection scheme is breakable. The DRM technologies introduced to date have been far from confidence-inspiring. So DRM within this domain is more of a basic privacy tool than an Orwellian move to own your cell phone.
As for my preferred intepretation of the DRM moniker -- I've always been fond of "Digital Rights Removal Mechanism."
I think that DRM and other supporters of this kind of thing are the first in a span of companies to come looking to make any piece of tech they can get their hands on, more and more useless until its just a assembly of wires with a plastic box.
>Iannella says users of devices such as Nokia's >3650 multimedia messaging service mobile phone >benefit by having explicit rights to forward >media once it has been consumed. Actually no, they might be able to have a copyright notice saying "You may forward this to one person" But they haven't given us that "right". They've restricted us to that right, even though it used to be at our discretion. Now you can't use the material for "fair use" in any way even though you should be able to! >"The advantage is that the terms and conditions >that they acquired the content under can be >managed by the handset. They need not worry >about an infringement that may occur. Therefore >they will legally be allowed to forward content >on. Of course you don't need to worry about an infringment occuring, because you no longer have that option. REstricting us from copying stuff doesn't legally allow us to forward content on, we must have already been legally allowed to, just now they're making sure we only forward it their way.... In fact even if we're legally allowed to forward it, we might not be able to now.... I *really* wish they'd stop pretending that DRM has *any* advantages for a content consumer...
Alice receives a memo from Bob, tries to forward it to Charles and the phone denies her. Alice then calls Charles and tells him she just got a memo form Bob at head office, tried to send it on but her phone would not let her, she then relays the contents verbally. Alice then calls Bob and tells him to get on to the communications guy, these new phones are a pain in the arse, can she have her old one back please.
This is just crazy. I'll never buy, or use a DRM enabled phone. This is part of reason I won't get a Verizon phone, they won't allow you to download any applications to the phone unless its through them, and you pay a subscription for it.
Sorry for shouting, but its Digital restrictions management. ODRL is Orwellian Digital Restrictions Language. Please. If we don't get the name right, who will?
Cuts out all the chain letters and those lame jokes you get 17 times over; the ones with the >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> markings...
(Yah, so there might be some teeny weeny unwanted side effects. Whatever.)
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
Yes, I know of at least one carrier that charges per kilobyte. I can't imagine them implementing any kind of data restrictions.
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Imagine if you could only forward email once, or not at all.
Hello.. am I the only one that's ever heard of copy- and- paste?
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I'm still waiting for a phone that will actually tell you how many minutes you've used peak/off-peak instead of forcing you to go to there website. It's obvious why they don't have this feature, but still I'd rather have something useful like this than cameras or DRM.
Oh, and why to some companies still charge $0.10 for you to send a 100 byte message when one minute of phone time is several kilobytes?
Similarly, I find myself involuntarily transposing OpenIPMP into a form that is easier to pronounce.
TALKING. All the rest is mental masturbation. Give me a Wireless phone that doesn't drop connections is all I ask. The companies should fix their backbones before they release pointless WOW factors that only 'sort of work' as billed.
Think about the following scenario.
Girlfriend/wife/significant other sends you a 'hot' voice/video message for your eyes only.
If her parents / colleagues / friends / family got a forwarded copy (possibly by accident) it could ruin her reputation, cause her to lose her job, etc.
DRM would be effective in this scenario.
Can they inhibit people from using these phones for pr0n0graphic uses now? I wish. I think that 3G phones will do very little except make the pr0n co's even more money and make sick stuff more prevalent in our society/generation :( makes me sad.
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Drugs have taught an entire generation of American children the metric system.
In any real, undistorted Free Market, value is set by the CUSTOMER, not by self-agrandizing "content creators".
(This is also IMHO the main reason the whole concept of "supply side economic stimulus" (wel-fare for the well-off) is a fatally flawed conceit ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H concept.)
Interestingly enough, until this year I never found the need to use spam filtering. The couple every week or 2 wasn't a big deal.
However, I at one point was getting several dozen a day of the usual chain letter/joke/picture Fwd:Fwd:Fwd (ad naseum). Putting a filter to delete anything with more than one Fwd: in it cut my junkmail down to virtually nothing. I used to complain that users were worse than spammers - some 'friends' were in the habit of sending me a dozen of these 'gems' at a time.
Of course, in the past 12 months this has all changed. I'm now the lucky recipient of at least a dozen spam a day, and it's getting worse every week. 40% my ass, more like 80% in my case.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
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but what about Gadget from Rescue Rangers? Come on.. You know you had a crush on her when you were a kid..
and stupid 'OLD' crap someone just DISCOVERED on the net far outweigh the spam I get as well. I've opened another account and keep it for my friends to bombard me with useless crap that I haven't the heart to tell them I saw 2 years ago. I just smile and say that was funny...
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
I don't know how 3G is going to be taken up in great numbers if they don't let it proliferate with free and adult content.
You have the right to read this message (spam). You do not have the right to delete it, nor do you have the right to ignore it. You are circumventing the Digital Rights Management otherwise, therefore hacking (and thus a terrorist). Very un-PATRIOTic of you!
Hmmm... Wonder what we ought to do with all these new "hacker terrorists"? How about sending them to be gassed? At least involuntary servitude for life - c'mon.
The point is - Support the Electronic Frontieer Foundation (EFF: http://www.eff.org). These people are awesome, and if it weren't for them, we might have 5 DMCAs. Vote for representatives that believe in not regulating the unknown to them - the Internet.
Would email be capable of being forwarded once. Oh, how I wish that were the case.
They are actually adding a feature called "e-mail backwarding". It's like e-mail forwarding, only the complete opposite. Instead of being limited to sending the message to anyone, you now have the full ability to send the message to no one.
Once you learn the quirky syntax of ODRL this will all make sense.
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The fear of your friends, neighbours and even your own family leeds to stupid design solutions like this. Go and search for the weapons of mass destruction under your friends bed. I am sure he is planning something.
It could also be used in many positive and creative ways (an exercise left for the reader).
But it is not an access control technology (DRM) in of itself.
There is another XML based rights expression language being pushed by DRM vendor ContentGuard called XrML - which they own but 'freely' licence.
The real question is: Can a rights expression language express unregulated uses?
What should the defacto position on which an instance of expressed rights (in ORML or XrML) be?
Can a rights expression language express that the content is no longer covered by copyright in the EU?
Larry Lessig's Free Culture discusses the unregulated side of this issue.
If you know a little about Lotus Notes, you don't actually need print screen.
..... well, you know the rest.
At least in V4 (and I think V5), any developer worth their salt new that there was a particular field, let's say $NoCopy that held a flag on whether you could copy data or not or print data or not.
But in certain circumstances (yes, I am being a little vague here on purpose), you could manipulate that particular field. The words "replicate", "local copy" and "macro/agent to delete field" seem to vaguely come to mind.
And then
Certainly, I think Lotus Notes security is superb. And I know I could stop someone from doing this if required. It's just that I can imagine situations where the uninformed may leave certain loopholes open.
Finally, if you must know, this had nothing to do with a business environment. I just happened to screw some things up in a dev environment that I figured I had better fix.
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?
DRM - Digital Rights Management
DRM - Digital Restrictions Management
ODRL - Open Digital Rights Language
ODRL - Orwellian Digital Restrictions Language
All these references to Orwell... all this altering of acronyms is very... Orwellian in itself.
I count not less than 4 comments rated 4+ on this thread which are deliberately attempting to mislead the public over the above acronyms in order to alter their perception of that which the acronym denotes. How the hell can we sit here and pretend shady men in suits behind DRM and ODRL are "Orwellian" when we're openly and publicly practicing techniques endorsed in 1984 to our own ends?
Ah, but then the developper would have enabled "consistent ACL", and "user may not create agents".
:)
And any users who have the Notes-Fu to use API calls to disable the ACL flag you hire into the Notes dev team.
It's win-win
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Then this is the right way to go about it! On one hand we have 802.11x which is multiplatform and rich with many forms of software, as well as innovations such as Apple's rendezvous. On the other hand we'll have this, restrictive, closed and limited. I know where my money (already) is....
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If you want to provide content under your own licence, its your call. This DRM scheme is an open standard is not mandatory, and is not built in by default to 3G phones. You are free to use it or not.
Make your own mobile content and services and licence them in the way you see fit; its your business. The market will decide who is the winner.
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phone companies wanting to ensure pr0n companies can protect their revenue streams on picture/video phones.
Mine might..I'm on Sprint. $10 USD per month for unlimited wireless web.
Unlimited includes wireless web, text messaging, downloads (ringers/apps/images) and I've heard you can use it as a wireless modem for a laptop.
I can see wanting to limit that...
What was wrong with what the above poster said? He is stating only that nutters like his gran and gramps are annyoying old codgers with a bunch of uninformed-nutter-codger friends in their rightist retirement bunker, where they promptly send donations to law abiding institutions like the KKK via Newt Gengrich... and make damned fine cookies.
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Just to make a point--as long as you have DVDs from two regions, only being able to change the regions 4 times is an issue. Every time you want to watch Movie B (say an imported out-of-region DVD), you'll have to change the Region, and then change it back to play the rest of your movies. This means that you can only watch Movie B twice, assuming you watch an in-region movie after watching Movie B both times.