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Penny Arcade vs. American Greetings

ferrocene writes "Penny Arcade's American Mcgee/Strawberry Shortcake spoof posted last Monday was pulled because someone at American Greetings got wind of it and set their lawyers on them. PA's forums are abuzz with activity. I'm pro-funny, myself."

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  1. How about it... by bgog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone have this comic mirrored anywhere? I'm sure we'd all love to see what the fuss is about.

    1. Re:How about it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, I have a copy of it.

      I found a copy with Google too: http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo= 25644&papass=&sort=1&thecat=532

      Click the image to enlarge it.

  2. Isn't it protected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought copyright law had exemptions for satire and humour.

    If it didn't, how could anyone talk about anything?

    1. Re:Isn't it protected? by BadDoggie · · Score: 5, Informative
      Parody of trademarks as well as copyrighted material is normally protected, but there are cases where it is not. This article describes threee cases where the pardy was found unprotected. The most relevant of the three is Mutual of Omaha Insurance Co. v. Novak, 231 U.S.P.Q. 963 (D. Neb. 1986). Now 1986 came long before a load of the IP-silliness.

      The guts of the case: a guy made a "political statement" and did a "Mutant of Omaha" design, offering "Nuclear Holocaust Insurance" (it was the Cold War, kiddies, and Reagan was in the White House).

      In addition, the creator parodied the MoO Indian head trademark and was selling these designs on T-shirts, caps and coffee mugs. The District Court for the District of Nebraska found in favour of MoO, and the Eighth Circuit affirmed.

      If there is nothing for sale, First Amendment arguments have a much stronger considerations. Even pure political messages don't carry enough weight. But parody is not a guarantee of protection, despite a long tradition of it in American society.

      woof.

  3. I'm so upset I'm going to go drink Pepsi(tm) by dphoenix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I've been reading the forum(Powered by Vbulletin(TM), and I'm so upset I got dizzy. I couldn't feel better at all until I had a cool, refreshing drink of Pepsi(TM) and had a seat in my La-Z-Boy(TM) adjustable recliner. Remember, we belong to corporations. They own words in our language now, and there's nothing you can do about it unless you want to fly on a Boeing(TM) jetliner out of the country.

  4. There's a boycott by PacketCollision · · Score: 5, Informative

    The boys have started a petition stating that the signers will boycott American Greetings until the comic is allowed to be shown.

    Let's show 'em what happens when slashdot readers get wind of something like this.

  5. Re:I'm pro funny too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    You've completely missed the point. The entire point of the strip was how 'easy' and immature that form of humour is!

    Quoth Gabe here:

    Making something gross or sexual or both is probably the easiest thing in the world to do. Just look at the margins of any 7th graders homework. You will find plenty of doodles on par with anything McGee has produced. American has said that his new game OZ will stay fairly true to the books but it will be "darker". It's sad that is the best he can come up with. American has the opportunity to take these well known and loved stories and re-imagine them for the world of video games, a medium with unlimited possibilities. When he made Alice I gave him credit for taking the story in a new direction even if it wasn't a terribly interesting one. Now with OZ he's doing the same thing and it shows that Alice was not some creative masterpiece. This guy is just a pervert and this is all he knows how to do. It's like he has some kind of huge fucking machine. Beloved stories and characters go in one side and junior high quality goth crap comes out the other.Yeah, Yeah McGee, we all know you are very angry. You should save yourself some fucking time and just wear a T-shirt that says "I am dark and brooding".
  6. They need to talk to Brad Templeton by Quila · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When Mastercard sent him a nastygram over a sick parody on Netfunny of their "...for everything else, there's Mastercard" ads, he sent them back a response -- in the form of a Mastercard ad parody:
    Web site hosting for anybody: $10/month and up

    Threatening letters to people who satirize you, hoping they won't know the law: $500

    Reputation as giant corporation required to intimidate small publishers: $billions

    Supreme court decisions protecting parody and satire from accusations of copyright and trademark infringement... Priceless

    There are some rights money can't buy. For everything else, there's Mastercard's lawyers.
    Of course, it didn't help Mastercard that the target of their attempted intimidation is the chairman of the EFF.
  7. Re:My email to the company by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    percevied by potential customers

    Yes, I'm sure every 6 year old child dragging her mom thru Toys'R'us will now be saying, "Don't buy me THAT mommy - her manufacturer supresses free speech by threatening to persecute adult parodies of it on the web!"

    Gee, I never would have paid it no mind, but now I have to d/l a copy, burn it on several CD's and put it by my copy of deCSS, cellphone enabled scanner and drug paraphernalia.

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  8. Re:Hope the lawsuit gets thrown out, if there is o by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is technically a parody, but it is not protected under fair use. (Whether you use the same names as the original, or twist them into funny-but-recognizable versions like "Frodo->Frito" and "Biblo->Dildo" doesn't matter)

    To get the fair-use exemption to copyright law, your work must not just be a parody- it must be a parody of the material you are infringing.

    In this case, Penny Arcade used some kind of "Strawberry Shortcake" copyrighted material to create a parody of American McGee's videogame development preferences (as seen here).

    Since the parody doesn't make any critical commentary about "Strawberry Shortcake", it has no legal justification to use those names or images.

    The famous recent case on this subject was linked to (pdf) by Penny-Arcade. In that case, a parody called "The Cat NOT in the Cat" was banned for using images from a book by Theodor Geisel to make a comment on the conduct of the Orenthal Simpsom murder trial. Because the materials he was borrowing were neither positively nor negatively commented on by his work, he was not allowed to publish the parody.

  9. Re:Fair Use by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fair use allows parody as long as the use does not cause confusion in the market place

    You are combining unrelated aspects of Intellectual Property law. "Fair use" as a concept applies to copyright, and "confusion in the marketplace" is a concern only for trademarks.

    For a particular parody to be legal to publish, it must separately pass both trademark and copyright tests.

    Surviving the trademark test is easy if you don't use terms that have been registered as trademarks. Changing the name enough to be unconfusing, like "WacDanalds", will work, and there are other ways too.

    To get by the copyright test, you either must not be using any copyrighted material (unlikely when paroding corporate works, but if you're targeting an individual or a governmental organization, they may not own copyrights), or you must meet the "fair use" exception. Fair use permits you to make limited violations of a copyright for the purpose of studying or critizing the material under copyright.

    Since it appears that the Penny-Arcade parody critizes not "Strawberry Shortcake", but American McGee, they cannot use copyrighted "Strawberry Shortcake" images to make their point.

    (I wrote a little more above)

  10. not parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's funny - glad i was able to grab a copy of it to amuse myself.
    But enough is enough! Please don't post regarding "parody" and "fair use" if you don't know the actual legal definition.
    The bottom line is that this cartoon is NOT a parody by the legal definition ("Strawberry Shortcake" IS a trademarked name) and American Greetings had every right to request that the image be pulled down.
    Imagine for a moment that American Greetings had lost a court case regarding the name "Strawberry Shortcake" because it had not demonstrated that it vigorously defended its rights to that name, and that the topic was being discussed on slashdot. The first post in that forum would be "American Greetings should have protected its rights pursuant to the trademarked name. It's their own fault for not being diligent." (do some slashdot research; it shouldn't be too hard to find examples that illustrate this point)
    Let's try a bit of consistency for once, instead of jumping on the anti-corporation bandwagon.

  11. Talk to the money. by zwoelfk · · Score: 5, Informative

    As usual, the lawyers are not at responsible here. They are the lap dogs of the corporation. Let's talk to the people who are going to be most affected and who are most responsible.

    For example:
    Spira, James C.
    Director and COO at American Greetings
    As of 2003-01-06 Reported to own 210,000 shares of American Greetings. As of this post, his holdings are probably worth approx 2.95 million USD.

    List of Officers at American Greetings

    But it should be noted that currently American Greetings is in the process of changing their executives, so it's unclear who would actually be responsible for these kinds of positions/acts.

    Insider Trade Filings for American Greetings (Give you an idea of who's interested in making money off the stock)

    Z.

  12. Re:Weird Al Yankovic Interview by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Had he instead written a new melody to go along with his altered lyrics, I think he might not have needed to ask permission.

    Had he done the above, I believe he would have written an entirely original song, and there would obviously be no need to get permission.

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  13. But man would that make a good commercial : by RembrandtX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pan of child vigiourously tugging mom through toy department. [mom looks haggard.]

    Mom: 'Honey, just pick something out .. we're going to be late.'

    Child: 'It has to be just right mommy, It susie's birthday, its important.' [earnest child psudo-whine voice.]

    Mom: 'How about this one?' Picking up Strawberry Shortcake Doll

    Child: (looking stern) 'Now mommy, we can't buy HER , her manufacturer supresses free speech by threatening to persecute adult parodies of it on the web!'

    [Jerking record sound, freeze frame on the kid looking reproachful.]

    Announcer: Are your children more concerned with their civil rigths than you are ? Make a difference, donate to the EFF. We're looking out for you.

    *bows* thank-you .. thank-you.

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