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Protein-Packed Hard Drives Promise High Capacity

Digimax writes "The New Scientist has an interesting article on a technology being developed by NanoMagnetics which involves using a protein responsible for storing iron in the body to store data on a hard drive. Is this the start of the BioTech revolution?"

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  1. -1, Redundant by CraigoFL · · Score: 3, Funny

    Insert joke about protein-packed keyboards here...

    1. Re:-1, Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Customer Service Rep: Sorry...we cannot access your account, our harddrive is suffering a hormonal imbalance.

  2. I'm downloading as fast as I can, Cap'n! by coupland · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems to me that if hard drive capacities continue to grow at their current rate, in a few years they will have outstripped the porn industry's ability to fill them.

    Pun unintentional...

  3. Great by Cipster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now we'll have a new excuse for crashes:
    Sorry boss I don't have that document, my hard drive just mutated...

  4. solid state by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yea, this is all fine and dandy, but doesn't help with speed.

    The real revolution waiting to happen is solid state hard drives that are affordable. Until we get rid of the moving parts, hard drives are going to be very very slow, relatively speaking. For the desktop, this is more important that storage space, since we already have 240gb drives that few can fill.

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    1. Re:solid state by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      More ram incurs more overhead. After a point, it ends up slowing your box down if you are not actually USING the extra ram.

      Even with a 15k scsi drive, if you handle large files, which is becoming more and more common, the hard drive is going to be the bottleneck. Even if you only handle small files, the access time for a hard drive is generally 100 times slower than the access time for ram, regardless of how you RAID it, or the spindle speed. That is a lot of idle time when loading large files, or accessing lots of small files. Granted, SCSI helps because it takes the load off the cpu.

      I can't possibly see how your athlon 2200 is the bottle neck, except when you are doing cpu intensive stuff. If I am pulling a filter in Photoshop, yea. Raytracing, etc. I expect that. But I use photoshop every day, and the amount of time I spend pulling a filter is still much less than loading and saving files.

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    2. Re:solid state by mlush · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The real revolution waiting to happen is solid state hard drives that are affordable.

      Solid state hard drives are already affordable. (as a price point on flash RAM USB key drives are about 1$/Mb). Say a 128Mb of Flash RAM cache on a 20Gb hard disk could provide instant access to frequently used files and come to think of it, would be able to defragment itself. I guess would not cost more than $200 (?)

      Does such a product exist? and if not <Bangs table> Why not??

    3. Re:solid state by yintercept · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generally things go faster as they get smaller. At the nano-level, I suspect that the the difference between "solid state" and "mechanical" blurs a bit.

      As for the speed thing, different storage types have different merits. A great deal of information is accessed rarely. Look at the newspaper. Today's edition will be read by several hundred thousand people...the service delivering this page needs to be fast.

      The archives of yesterday's news has a different dynamic. The June 7th, 1981 sports section might be accessed once or twice per year. The indexing device for the archived paper still needs to be fast...the data itself needs to be on a slower, reliable media.

      The true art in computer design isn't just having the fastest components, but having the components matched to their tasks.

    4. Re:solid state by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>Just because most people want to upgrade their computers one piece at a time over the span of 5 years doesn't mean that they shouldn't be forced to upgrade all at once every now and again, it helps the economy and overall, helps drive new innovation.

      Does this sound like the line of thinking over in Redmond or what?

      Holy shit. Someone should be forced to upgrade? WTF? Why should that be? Should I be forced to give up my classic 1974 Chevy Impala because it's not 'up to date'?...because there are newer and more efficient engines available? Why is a computer any different?

      I don't mean to attack the author personally, but I don't like this kind of thinking.

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  5. Funny quote from article by 1nv4d3r · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Aligning individual magnetic grains is a problem for all of us," agrees Mayes.

    That quote struck me as funny. Like he's talking about world hunger or something. He's got a point, though...I do have a real problem getting individual magnetic grains lined up--in fact I can honestly say I've never successfully done it.

    If I come up with something more insightful to say, I'll post it to this afternoon's dupe.

  6. Yummy by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hard Drives, now part of your daily balanced breakfast...

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  7. Heh by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
    Is this the start of the BioTech revolution?

    Yup, recombinant protein therapies and artificial livers were cute, but biotech hasn't yielded any _real_ products until someone started making larger capacity hard drives!

    I was about to indignantly jump onto my molecular biologist high horse, and started laughing instead. Can't really criticize -- as far as I'm concerned, all that mysterious stuff physicists do seems impressive but it's nothing to me until I can stop worrying about downloading one SHN file too many.

  8. Vicorian era holdback by spineboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll paraphrase William Gibson

    "Doesn't it seem weird to have these high-tech computers with little spinning discs inside them. It seems like a hold out of some Victorian technology - like a more modern record player."

    Solid state has to be the way to go - no more waiting for your computer to "boot up", just turn it on and it's running your desktop, right where you left it last. Sure solid state SEEMS expensive now, but remember how much a 40 MEG hard drive cost 15 years ago? We just need to throw money at it and the price will drop. I mean come on chips are CHEAP - they're in everything

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  9. Re:OLEDs? by Boogaroo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually the first "BioTech" would probably be something along the lines of the smallpox vaccines that were manufactured by injecting horses and then taking the serum from the blood for the antibodies.

    In the harddrive case, it's a mechanical good. In the smallpox case, it's a medicine. Both are certainly ways to use biological means for manufacturing.

    If someone can think of an earlier biotech, please feel free to let us know!

  10. Digesting information by dfn5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the future people won't read books, they will eat their hard drives. Information never tasted so good.

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  11. great by mattkime · · Score: 4, Funny

    now even my hard drive is on the atkins diet.

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  12. I can see the tag line now... by Captain+Beefheart · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Western Digital--nutritious and delicious!"

  13. New Scientist article sucks by Muhammar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    New Scientisct article writen by somebody ignorant in material science: skips the important stuff and dwells on marginal. The company site more informative.

    Magnetic particles in storage media must be evenly spaced and right size. This protein is used as a mold and spacer for making and placing the magnetic particles. The protein is spherical, has cavity which can be filled with magnetic stuff and forms crystal-ordered-like monolayer on support surface. Burning the protein leaves the magnetic particles in caramelized yuck. All this done in with external magnetic field. And since we are baking it well above Curie temperature of the magnetic material, cooling will produce the particles nicely magneticaly aligned.

    [To organize apricot pits, place a baking tray covered with apricots in oven pre-heated to 475F for 2 hours, and do not stir.]

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  14. New Scientist... by JDevers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm going to point out something that no one else seems to have noticed yet. This is an article in New Scientist, that should be enough said who ever actually read it. The have a real penchant for investigating off the wall oddball ideas then writing up the issue with just enough slant that one who reads it takes the same mentality as those who think cars which run on water have been made but are being held back by the big car manufacturers and oil companies. Virtually every issue of New Scientist has at least ONE grand convoluted conspiracy theory. I'm not saying there is no basis at all for this, just that New Scientist isn't exactly a reputable news source much less something approaching a peer-reviewed scientific journal. They are much more like Scientific American but don't even approach that level of credibility.

    That said, go ahead and debate it all you want. I just think (as a molecular biologist...more DNA focused than applied protein mechanics like this, but still fairly well versed) that by the time all the "bugs" for this are worked out we'll have leapfrogged the whole idea of magnetic media Winchester syle drives. This is the equivalent to making a perfect artificial diamond point for a record player, by the time we had the tech to do it the world had already moved onto CDs or other media for the overwhelming majority of uses of said records...People still make record players, but they are a niche market to say the absolute least.

    1. Re:New Scientist... by Muhammar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The technique is very clever, but it is fringe. This is a very small company developing new technology. They may win big, but right now they do not have anything marketable and won't have too soon. They operate on private financing and have to advertise their cutting-edge proprietary technology breakthrough whatever to attract investment to keep going.

      I worked for a company like this, so I take it with some scepticism.

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  15. Read the label, Vegans. by desertfish · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sounds like these proteins come from either humans or animals. I'm surprised their source was not revealed in the article.

    Looks like animal-friendly consumers will need to read the ingredients labels on hard drives, as well as motherboards?

  16. Mmmmm by ZorMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soon our PCs will be more nutritious than most junk food. I suppose that makes recycling them more efficient. Consume and flush!

  17. Because the read/write method doesn't change! by YuppieScum · · Score: 3, Informative

    The process is about how to organise and homogenise the arrangement of magnetic particles on the disc surface.

    Reading and writing is still done the way it is today (mangentically) but, with a more regular magnetic matrix, greater storage densities can be acheived...

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  18. My Mac could(and can) do this by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Solid state has to be the way to go - no more waiting for your computer to "boot up", just turn it on and it's running your desktop, right where you left it last.

    Years ago I added a whole 32 or 64MB of ram(I can't remember which) to my 660AV, and it was enough to do a couple of interesting things(ie, have enough left over to run applications 'n stuff :) One was load the ROM into RAM, which sped up things dramatically, since so much of MacOS was ROM-call based(remember the Toolbox?). Back in the day, that was a big deal; now's pretty common-place. The second thing was I could start up(and run) the system off a ramdisk, if I got the system folder small enough(that became easier as memory prices dropped etc.)

    I booted my 660AV that way- timed it at 6 seconds flat, from when the bootloader started to when the system stopped loading the finder etc. That's faster than the time from when Lilo starts decompressing the kernel to when init gets launched on my 1.4ghz athlon.

  19. Re:OLEDs? by DocDendrite · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Actually the first "BioTech" would probably be something along the lines of the smallpox vaccines that were manufactured by injecting horses and then taking the serum from the blood for the antibodies.

    If someone can think of an earlier biotech, please feel free to let us know!
    200 years ago it was observed milk maids exposed to cows did not develop smallpox. By innoculating uninfected individuals with the exudate of the cowpox corpustle an immunity was conferred. In fact, today's smallpox vaccine "DryVax" is comprised of elements from this cowpox virus (called Vaccinia).

    On a similar vein, the first noted instance of BioWarfare being employed occured during the Middle Ages. Plague (Yersinia pestis) infected bodies were catapulted over the high walls of fortified strongholds. The hope was that the contagion would spread to the inhabitants.

    -DD

    p.s. I see a lot of biology misinformation on slashdot. I'd like to qualify my post by stating I am a fourth-year PhD student in Molecular Biology. Should anyone wish to correct or amplify my statement please have more expertise than having read "Hot Zone" or "The Coming Plague." Thank you.