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Creating A Global Patent System

prostoalex writes "May issue of MIT Technology Review discussed the implications of a globalized patent system. For small inventors, it argues, the cost of globalizing the rights for their invention are just unbearable. For example, in Europe it costs about $7,000 per country to file a patent application. As an article bonus, some people might like to take a look at the list of the largest patent holders per industry in PDF format."

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  1. Yeah right by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the States current attitude towards international law & agreements, I can't see any form of global patent law being created, except if the U.S. forces the rest of the world to agree with it in some economic or political way.

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    1. Re:Yeah right by tankdilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whatever country doesn't agree to global patent law must have weapons of mass destruction and will face consequences.

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    2. Re:Yeah right by onion2k · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tell that to the major phamaceutical companies. US companies produce AIDs and cancer drugs at 30$ a day to the patient, and then Indian companies such as Cipla under cut them by making the same drugs for less than 1$ per day. Indian patent law states that drug patents only cover the production method, not the actual drug, so long as the Indian company figures out a new way of making it then its ok.

      But...

      If countries buy these generic drugs rather than the US equivalent they get threatened with trade sanctions. Its happened in Thailand, South Korea, Brazil, and many others. I doubt its a coincidence that Rumsfeld used to head up.. ooo.. a pharmaceutical company! There was a global treaty for cheap drugs put around by the WHO a little while ago. Every single country wanted to sign up... expect the USA, who veto'd it.

      America has too much power.

    3. Re:Yeah right by ratamacue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. At the root of the issue, patent law is arbitrary. It's a complex, largely ambiguous system of law created and implemented entirely by government -- not a simple, "natural" law that would be inherently understood by human society and would be respected (or even conceived) with or without government.

      What does this mean? In short, there is no possible way that every country -- let alone every human being in the world -- could agree to this concept of "intellectual property". Therefore, the implementation of intellectual property requires a major initiation of force, the very thing it proposes to protect us against. Not only is the concept of IP itself questionable (many, like myself, would oppose it outright), but the implementation could take any one of literally millions of different forms. Who's right and who's wrong? There is no answer, there will never be an answer, and there never could be an answer.

      Like any law or set of laws that can't be agreed upon nearly unanimously, somebody will be screwed over in a big way. This is exactly why I advocate limited government -- beyond the core function of government (which is to protect the people against the initiation of force), every law is arbitrary to some degree, and necessarily screws over somebody at the expense of somebody else. IP does exactly that.

  2. Hmmm... by skermit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've read a couple articles on patents and where they're going in the past two weeks. One takes a look at all the patents given in the US that don't and can NEVER be produced because they are physically impossible. The second article dealt with how the US government is INCREASING costs for patent filings because there's too much of a backlog as is, and they need more of an incentive to process current patents and to, wait for it..., DISCOURAGE new patents. *sigh*

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  3. $7000 per European country.. by wfberg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, the European Patent Office does not exist. Go away now!

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    1. Re:$7000 per European country.. by kogs · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK here are some real numbers for a US-originating European patent application with 20 pages of text and 20 claims (somewhat on the low side when compared with US practice but multiple dependencies are positively encouraged in Europe not penalised as in the USPTO)

      Filing: $2200
      Examination: $1800
      Designation fees* (all states): $800
      Dealing with objections by Examiner: $4000
      Maintenance fees (say): $2000
      Grant and validation:

      • United Kingdom: $300
      • Austria: $1700
      • Belgium: $900
      • Cyprus: $1700
      • Denmark: $3600
      • Finland: $3300
      • France: $2300
      • Germany: $2500
      • Greece: $2250
      • Ireland: $700
      • Italy: $2100
      • Latvia: $1600
      • Lithuania: $2100
      • Luxembourg: $700
      • Monaco: $750
      • Netherlands: $2300
      • Portugal: $2700
      • Romania: $1500
      • Slovenia: $2000
      • Spain: $2000
      • Sweden: $3800
      • Switzerland: $1000
      • Turkey: $1900
      Sub-Total: $43,700
      Official Grant + Printing Fees: $1500
      Grand Total: $56,000 (plus US patent attorney's time and mark up.

      Most of the validation costs are for translations and some countries appear low because they share a language with another country, e.g. French is used in France, Switzerland and Belgium

      If you are not a pharmaceutical company, you would probably be looking for patents in the UK, France, Germany and perhaps Scandinavian countries, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands. Assuming the UK, France and Germany would give a cost per country of about $5200 per country.

      * seven buys all states

  4. No thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No thanks!

    Some countries still have a respectible Patent System in place. Why would they want to be polluted with some (many) of the ridiculous Patents granted in the USA.

  5. Only global patents make sense by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What is the point of patenting something if the patent is not global?

    Patent something domestically and someone in a country with cheap labour will copy your idea and outproduce you.

    1. Re:Only global patents make sense by tanveer1979 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Patent something domestically and someone in a country with cheap labour will copy your idea and outproduce you.

      American companies have been patenting commonly grown stuff and known medicines in poor eastern countries. If global patents were in place then lots of people will lose their right to practice something which their forefathers have done since ages.

      What stops an american corporate to patent a traditional chinese or indian mixture of herbs as its own creation. Most small scale industries now dont have the idea that they are violating patent.

      Such stuff has happened before.
      Examples
      Texamati : A variety of rice which is same as basmati which has been grown in india since more than 300 years
      Neem extracts : Historical texts have explained the usage since 2000BC
      Tulsi : Patent pending, used as a releif from flu and common cold since thousands of years.

      No thanks we dont want american patents to be slapped on us, unless the American patent office takes full responsibility for any bogus patents filed and gives compensation. Neem patent was defeated after Indian Govt intervention, and even after presenting the office with historical docs, it took more than a year.
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  6. Intellectual property needs broken down by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Theres several categories of intellectual property.

    If someone owns the rights to a song, are you allowed to:

    Re-Record it
    Sing it
    Say the title in public
    Play it in public
    Parody it
    ?

    What if someone designs a part to allow flying cars steer? We don't have flying cars yet... But when we do, should we bow down to the inventor of the steering wheel even though anyone could create one. Oh lord almighty who walks on the earth, we must bow to thee because you wrote some dumb fucking thing on a piece of paper and sent it to the patent office.

    With all the confusion with current patents, and only big corporations having enough to buy expensive lawyers... Maybe a working system should be thought up before applying it to the world.

    Heres how the system currently works. Thousands of little buisnesses try. 90% of them fail. 9% eek out a living. 1% hit it big. A corporation sees the guy who hits it big with a good idea, and steals it for their own.

  7. WIPO by millwall · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a Swiss based organisation called World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) with 179 member states promoting worldwide patents.

    From the Website:

    The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is an international organization dedicated to helping to ensure that the rights of creators and owners of intellectual property are protected worldwide and that inventors and authors are, thus, recognized and rewarded for their ingenuity.

  8. It ain't so easy at all.. by Mr+Europe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is real but there are severe diffulties on the road to global patents.
    1. Many developing countries have no interest in commiting to such international agreements. They see the cheap labour their only weapon to get to the international market. And they cannot afford much research.
    2. The consept of patent varies a lot. As a well known example many ideas patented in US could never get a patent in Europe.
    3. Many countries are trying to protect their own industry and reluctant to accept unbiased treatment of foreign and own patents. That the real world situation. And I'm now talking about the "civililized"/rich countries with many international contracts.

  9. Patent issues by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cost of filing in several different countries is largely irrelevent to a small inventor. The income from one country alone could often result in a significant return on investment. There are other issues though:

    1. The cost of filing in one country. Most inventions are failures. $7000 just for one country is a lot of money to invest in a product that the world just isn't ready for. With careful budgetting, this could support the inventor for another few months, allowing for him to perfect his invention

    2. Timeframes. 20 years is far too long. Nothing that's 20 years old could ever be considered at all modern. Most cars last about 10 years. Computers are out of date in about 3. Even industrial equipment is usually outdated much more quickly than that. If something has not returned the investment cost within 5 years, just about any organisation would consider it a failure.

    3. Lack of protection for independent inventors. It's actually very likely that several people will come up with the same idea at the same time. - for example, Bell beat Edison and others to the invention of the telephone by a short time - Shouldn't others be entitled to actually finish their invention without being charged with breaching a patent that hadn't been granted when they started?

  10. Re:$7,000 may be expensive, but ... by windows · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution isn't to make it difficult to patent stupid things by making the price prohibitively high. The solution is for the patent offices to do their homework and actually review prior patents, get a clue as to what they're granting patents to, and make better attempts to verify that there isn't prior art out there already. Raising the price of the patents doesn't screw over the large companies. To them, $7,000 is a drop in the bucket. It hurts the small companies and independent inventors that don't have the money just sitting around. If the patent system were globalized and one large patent office replaced the ones for every country, and each country helped fund it, it might be possible to have a reasonable price and still be able to have the money for the office to do their homework and check up on things before granting patents.

  11. He was robbed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His lawyers advised him badly. I work as a patent attorney for a major automotive systems company and their plan is to patent only in US, UK, France, Germany and Japan.

    Their competitors can knock off as many copies as they like in third world countries like Ghana, Cambodia or Belgium, but if they can't import them into the major markets then it is pointless.

    Always focus your patents on the countries you will sell in, and use them to block imports from elsewhere.

  12. World Feudalism by rknop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're not heading towards World Democracy or even World Communism, but World Feudalism. It is rapidly getting to the point that if you want to invent or create something, you will need to do so under the aegis of a large corporation. You will need the legal and financial backing of a large corporation (your feudal lord) to protect you (with their own patent portfolio) if you want to create anything-- otherwise, one of the other fedual lords will quash you, and you won't be big enough to defend yourself. In exchange, you will show fealty to your corporate feudal lord by signing over any rights to anything you create, hopefully being reasonably well paid in the process.

    Most people may be relatively comfortable, or at least fed, but the individualist creator simply won't be able to exist. (And, alas, nobody will think there's anything wrong with this. Most of the world doesn't really care about freedom of thought. Once they're fed and comfortable, people seem to care care more about bread and circuses (or SUVs and HDTVs) than actual liberty.)

    Yes, global intellectual property concerns are making the world safe for medieval forms of government and social organization.

    -Rob