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Land Speed Record Broken: 0-6,400 in Six Seconds

linuxwrangler writes "Researchers at Holloman AFB have broken their own two decades old land speed record for rail vehicles. The rocket powered sled covered the 3 mile track in roughly 6 seconds. Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at mach 8.6 or about 6,400 mph - it covered the last 1.8 miles in just 1.3 seconds. The previous record of 6,122 mph was set on Oct. 5, 1982. Other accounts are at the Alamogordo Daily News, the Denver Post, and CNN."

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  1. In Britain .. by ethnocidal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We had something like this running during the mid 1990s. The speeds were incredible; it used the three decade old mothballed British launch vehicle rocket motors, which were abandoned after our nuclear deterrent moved onto submarine launched ballistics.

    The record would have been held by the land on which the rain never stops, but for the fact there were some irritating leaves on the line during summer and autumn months. Winter was ruled out by that pesky light dusting of snow, and after unfortunate incidents with hypersonic sparrows in spring, the whole project was abandoned in favour of the 'wobbly train' approach to high speed cornering.

    1. Re:In Britain .. by Munra · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently First Great Western trains (that's a UK train company, for those not in the know) have begun trialling this technology for their mainline service between Bristol and London.

      Theoretically the time for this journey could be cut to just over a minute, but taking into account the breaking zone needed, and the areas of 'slow track' where the train runs at 30Mph maximum, the estimated time for this journey would be somewhere in the region of 2 hours; a marked 5 minute saving in time.

    2. Re:In Britain .. by fyonn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are there even human beings "driving" it?

      I think it's safe to say "no"

      if there were humans driving it at the start then there wouldn't have been at the end. apart from the fact that the sled stopped yb hitting an immobile object, the humans would have been but a red paint job at the back of the cabin by then anyways

      dave

    3. Re:In Britain .. by BriSTO(V)L · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are there even human beings "driving" it? No: My bet is on 6th generation space worms driving it...

    4. Re:In Britain .. by delphi125 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, I'll bite....

      First of all, a (rifle) bullet would not be able to break the land speed record - it would be travelling through the air.

      Secondly, a (long-range) rifle may have a high exit velocity (muzzle? I am not an expert), but this will only decrease after being shot - the bullet will be slowed down by air resistance.

      Finally, I know that laser pointers shout around 1c (speed of light), so it wouldn't be too hard to... oh wait, perhaps it IS hard? Perhaps that is why this is a record 20 years old being rebroken?

      Please feel free to think before you next post.

    5. Re:In Britain .. by mooman · · Score: 4, Informative


      Are there even human beings "driving" it?

      I think it's safe to say "no"

      if there were humans driving it at the start then there wouldn't have been at the end. apart from the fact that the sled stopped yb hitting an immobile object, the humans would have been but a red paint job at the back of the cabin by then anyways


      Not this time, anyway. Although over at the International Space Hall of Fame, only about 15 miles from where the above test occured, is the rocket sled ("Sonic Wind 1") that John Stapp rode in 1954 at the same testing grounds when he earned the title "Fastest Man Alive". Granted that was only 632 mph, but he did sustain a deceleration of around 40 Gs that reportly forced his eyes partially out of their sockets.

      The forces on this particular test would have easily killed a human, so it's safe to assume that this one was riderless. ;)

      [I'm a former Space Hall tour guide, just sharing some trivia..]

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  2. fun by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at mach 8.6 or about 6,400 mph - it covered the last 1.8 miles in just 1.3 seconds."

    Weeeeeeee!!!!

  3. Metric Conversion by asciimonster · · Score: 5, Informative

    For the non-US people in the world:

    "Researchers at Holloman AFB have broken their own two decades old land speed record for rail vehicles. The rocket powered sled covered the 4.8 km track in roughly 6 seconds. Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at mach 8.6 or about 10300 km/h - it covered the last 2.9 km in just 1.3 seconds. The previous record of 9851 km/h was set on Oct. 5, 1982. Other accounts are at the Alamogordo Daily News, the Denver Post, and CNN."

    Maybe we should make a rule that say you always have to supply metric and imperial units... It would make my job so much easier...

    1. Re:Metric Conversion by Snotboble_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who in the World would use METRICS? Such a complicated system where you have to *add* and *remove* 0's to convert?

      No, it's _way_ easier to remember that there's 5280 feet on the mile and 202 US gallons on the cubic yard. Who can remember that there's 1000 meters on the kilometer? Or 1000 liters on the cubic meter? How non-standard is that?

      Besides, who else than the rest of the World uses metric anyway?

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    2. Re:Metric Conversion by your_mother_sews_soc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure we could take care of this using XML (or maybe not - I am ingorant in the area of XML). But if the W3C had included some "weights and measures" tags in the HTML standard then we could leave it up to the browser and/or client OS to apply localization rules and perform the proper conversions.

      Just a thought, but does anyone know of this was ever suggested?

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    3. Re:Metric Conversion by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn straight.

      That's why I always quote my gasoline mileage in inverse acres.

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    4. Re:Metric Conversion by Saltine · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good start, but you haven't converted all the way, for those of us who don't want to think in crazy units based on mulitples of twelve, or non-absolute scales with arbitrary datum points:

      "Researchers at Holloman AFB have broken their own 631 megaseconds old land speed record for rail vehicles. The rocket powered sled covered the 4.8 kilometer track in roughly 6 seconds. Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at Mach 8.6 or about 2.86 kilometers per second - it covered the last 2.9 kilometers in just 1.3 seconds. The previous record of 2.74 kilometers per second was set at 432 petaseconds. Other accounts are at the Alamogordo 86400-Secondly News, the Denver Post, and CNN."

      (My apologies to those outside the US, for not using "kilometres" or "432 billiard seconds" and whatnot.)

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    5. Re:Metric Conversion by pmz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount;fsck;more;yes;umoun t;sleep

      A real UNIX guru would put that into a script run by a cron task that pages him (obviously a him writing scripts like this) upon successful execution.

    6. Re:Metric Conversion by Palshife · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...in roughly 6 seconds.

      What the hell? No metric time?

      Allow me to assist, assuming that the earth's rotation yields 10 kilodeconds (or "Kil's", as in "What Kil is it?") a day, where 1 decond = 0.1157407 seconds (407 repeating).

      So, once again the article in full metric glory.

      "Researchers at Holloman AFB have broken their own two decades old land speed record for rail vehicles. The rocket powered sled covered the 4.8 km track in roughly .694 deconds. Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at mach 8.6 or about 24720 km/kilodecond - it covered the last 2.9 km in just 0.150 deconds. The previous record of 23642.4 km/kilodecond was set on Oct. 5, 1982. Other accounts are at the Alamogordo Daily News, the Denver Post, and CNN."

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    7. Re:Metric Conversion by Noren · · Score: 4, Funny
      Close, but this clearly should be in scientific notation, for those of us who don't want to use and remember all those prefixes.

      "Researchers at Holloman AFB have broken their own 6.49 x 10^8 seconds old land speed record for rail vehicles. The rocket powered sled covered the 4.8 x 10^3 meter track in roughly 6 seconds. Preliminary numbers put the sled's speed at Mach 8.6 or about 2.86 x 10^3 meters per second - it covered the last 2.9 x 10^3 meters in just 1.3 seconds. The previous record of 2.74 x 10^3 meters per second was set at 1982-10-05 . Other accounts are at the Alamogordo 8.64 x 10^4 secondly News, the Denver Post, and CNN."

      There, that's much better, right?

    8. Re:Metric Conversion by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Funny
      if the W3C had included some "weights and measures" tags in the HTML standard then we could leave it up to the browser and/or client OS to apply localization rules and perform the proper conversions.

      Just make sure NASA doesn't have a hand in the conversion algorithms if you're going to do that...

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  4. Driver not Available for Comment by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 3, Funny
    I was wondering what the driver had to say after he got out of this thing, but then I did the maths...

    Not sure if I interpret the numbers correctly, but for the acceleration I get 207 m/s^2 on the first, 4.65 sec stage, and 755 m/s^2 on the second, 1.3 sec stage, which is about 21g and 76g, respectively.

    No, there wasn't a driver in this thing :-)

    1. Re:Driver not Available for Comment by black+mariah · · Score: 5, Informative

      To give you a clue how high that is, Dave Purley survived a crash where he pulled 179 G's. He suffered 29 fractures, six dislocations, and six heart stoppages. It was the result of a near-instantaneous stop while hitting a wall at 108MPH (about 160kph, I think). IIRC, the Guinness book puts the time he sustained that g-force at a couple of thousandths of a second.

      As another perspective, Top Fuel drivers in the NHRA cover a quarter of a mile in roughly 4.4 seconds, from a standing start, reaching speeds of over 320MPH. The 0-100 times are generally in the .10 second area. The max sustained g-force is about 7. If you've ever seen a dragster accelerate up close, you can extrapolate the violence yourself. :D

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  5. Darwin award winner did it first? by petej · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think the Darwin award winner from a few years back did this first -- you know, the guy who strapped a JATO unit to his Pinto.

    1. Re:Darwin award winner did it first? by trikberg · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is an urban legend. This story started it. Or rather, the events portrayed in the story led to the urban legend; the story was written long after the urban legend started flourishing.

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    2. Re:Darwin award winner did it first? by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 4, Informative
      the guy who strapped a JATO unit to his Pinto
      Rocket Car - the "true" story
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  6. Faster than.. by rf0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..a curry through you on a Friday night

    Rus

  7. HA! That's nothing.... by gr8fulnded · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone who's ever seen 95, N.VA, in the middle of rush hour isn't impressed.

    I've seen 80 yr old ladies flying faster then that.

    --Dave

  8. Re:I wonder ... by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 3, Funny
    I wonder if this has military implications?

    No, the military never tests technology which might have military implications.

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  9. Wrong goal. by EasyTarget · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be nice if humanity could do this super cool stuff without the ultimate aim being to find more efficient ways of killing people.

    The arms industry often shocks me, rarely awe's me.

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    1. Re:Wrong goal. by protohiro1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or the billionaire terrorist might grow a brain and just stick a hydrogen bomb in a shipping container and dentonate it in the port of long beach. Cheaper, easier and much more likely to succeed. Terrorists don't use ICBMS.

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  10. what actually happened by tankdilla · · Score: 3, Funny

    At approximately 88 mph the vehicle became a blur and seemingly vanished, and after 6 seconds it appeared at the end of the track. A scientist known as "Doc" was subsequently questioned about the contribution of the controversial flux capacitor technology used to power the vehicle, but he declined to comment. All he kept saying was "Great Scott!!!"

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  11. Challenge for Train spotters by 2sleep2type · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rather tricky to get the numbers on this when it's passing through.

  12. And in finacial news just in... by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shares in the Acme Novelty company have risen 23 percent.

  13. In other news by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Signs of nervousness in the Syrian leadership as the US announce they intend to build a new high speed rail link between Baghdad and Damascus as a gesture of goodwill.

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  14. Of Dubious Value? by JoseMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call me cynical, but I'm trying to figure out if this type of research has real merit, or if it is entirely masturbatory. What's the point exactly?

    It's a military project, i.e., tax-payer funded, so I'd like to hear some relevant, practical uses for said technology. It sounds like it was used to deliver a bullet-type missle in this case. Something tells me that you couldn't really use this delivery method in an actual *war* . . .

  15. Land speed record primer by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the deal: Regardless of whether the "vehicle" makes contact with the ground via wheels or a rail, it more or less is flying while in contact with the ground. Anyone who remembers "blue lightning" will recall that it was/is a missle painted blue with a driver's seat and wheels. If you want a record for the fastest gasoline-powered car, that's a whole separate arena. These people are trying to get something that 1) goes the fastest while 2) remaining in contact with the ground in some way. The reason this craft could go so fast is precisely because the rail system reduces the friction from the ground to a significant degree.

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  16. Why they built it. by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Several posts have asked if this has military applications. The answer is yes for testing. They use the sled to examine the interactions between weapons and targets in a controlled dynamic environment. For example, you park an aircraft at the end of the rail. Shot a warhead down the track and let it hit the target.

    Why not do this in the air? You can carefully place cameras and other instrumentations to observe the test. Afterwards, you can easily collect debris for further analysis.

    Why set a new land-speed record? Think of the Republican Party's wildest dream -- National Missile Defense.

  17. How much faster? by flamingdog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn, that thing would probably go faster than light if it had a 5" exhaust pipe that made it sound like a go-kart, a body kit, a spoiler higher than its roof, new rims and low profile tires, and a paint job that made it look like vaginal expulsions...

    I mean, wow, what if those scientists really fucking knew what they were doing and did some of those high-tech mods like new spark plug wires, and painting the engine block? Holy shit...

    Oh wait...nevermind...

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    1. Re:How much faster? by jolshefsky · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, that's how they did it--they just took the same sled design from 1982 and painted "Type-R" on it to get it to go faster.

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  18. but ... by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny

    That thing got a hemi?

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  19. Sonic Wind 1 by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center they have the original Sonic Wind 1 rocket sled. They also have a video loop of some of the test runs of this beast.

    Remember that Sonic Wind was all about trying to determine what would happen to a pilot who ejected at speeds greater than Mach 1 - so the occupant of Sonic Wind 1 was sitting on the front of the sled without any windscreen.

    In the video, as the craft exceeds Mach 1, you can see the shock waves (a.k.a. sonic booms) forming off the craft, including one forming off the pilot himself.

    That always gets me.

  20. OK, I'll say it by barzok · · Score: 5, Funny

    6400 MPH should be enough for anyone.