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The Fix Is In: Ardour Set For Summer Release
uprightcitizen writes "Good news for the open source audio recording world! Ardour creator Paul Davis has announced a feature-freeze and has set a binary release date for the now-famous
GPL multitrack audio recording application. Ardour has recently been featured
in Sound on Sound and has been mentioned
on Slashdot many times (here(1), here(2),
etc..). The feature freeze is effective as of May 4 and the binary release date
is set for sometime in July or August. Good Job Paul!"
Ardourous process.
One more pro use of linux to knock the proprietary big boys down. The article doesn't say it, so I will here. We're gaining on those markets where Apple and PC hardware have been used and how, simply because there were once the only solution. Where there was Photoshop, now there is GIMP. Where there was film editing, now there is Film Gimp. Where there were proprietary rendering, now movies like XMen2 use Linux. Where there was Pro Tools, now we have our own solution too.
These may be relatively small markets compared to desktop users, but they are extremely solid ones. Once GPL software is usable there and the savings are being made (come on now, free software compared to over $14,000 for Pro Tools in audio) the hold will be unavoidable.
It's a coming of age
This same scenario has to apply to many others out there. My small group of musically talented friends can't be the only ones.
I recently set up an audio recording computer for a church. (433mhz, oss/free sound drivers, CMI8738 sound card) They were going to use windows, but I convinced them that Linux would be the better choice. I set it up so that recording is done from the command line, encoding ogg [vorbis.com] (ok, vorbis) or flac [sf.net] in realtime.
.5 seconds for every second of audio, and thus it sounded like it was in fast forward. (44100hz 16bit) After reading the driver line by line, I fixed it with a one-line shell script.
For shorter tracks, ardour is used for more user friendly recording. (Audacity and sweep cause choppy audio in my experience)
In addition, I have made command-line full duplex recording possible. (where the instrument track is done first, then vocals laid on top of it) However, be warned that you'll need to make a small program to write raw instructions to the soundcard if you want to turn off the audio loopback, as the CMI* OSS/free driver doesn't implement this for some reason. (I haven't checked if ALSA does this or not)
One major bug that slowed it down was only recording
I have been getting extremely good sound out of it, however. In addition, I have only had to write about 50 lines of code. So if anyone has tried without success to record with a CMI8738 soundcard on linux - don't give up. If you want me to send you the fixes to the problems that I have created, contact me.
Pro Tools is not just software - you'll normally find it installed as a hardware/software combo. This is in part due to the fact that modern CPU's can not handle mulitple high quality real time effects for larger studio projects. The other big factor with Pro Tools (and comperable systems) is the Control Surface. Sure, there are incredible MIDI controllers out there, but the proprietary Pro Tools control surfaces are second to none.
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
I've heard the argument that OSS doesn't inovate like MS and IBM closed source projects do. But software like this is the counter argument. With Linux and BSD, on the desktop, it's relatively close to a fresh start. From scratch. You get the idea.
.. all as OSS is "easy".
Before, we had to get sound up reliably, window managers etc.. all that chewy good stuff. Windows was ahead of "us" on that since the boom of unix on the desktop didn't happen 'till a little later.
MS can only inovate so fast. Problem is, duplicating what is already out there... good desktop interfaces, some kick ass softare
And btw, inovations are easy once you think how to solve a problem. mp3's and ogg aren't hard problems that required tons of scientists. Just a few good eggs working on something. Same with softupdates for FreeBSD and a lot of junk.
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"I'm not bright. Big words confuse me. But Wanda loves me and that should be enough for you." - Cosmo
However, it's still not ready for prime time. A couple more years and it could be.
The DSP framework needs a complete rewrite to fix some limitations, and the phase vocoder is 2nd generation, when most commercial tools use 4th or 5th generation.
You know - I don't mean this as a troll - but I really have to wonder what the hell is going to happen to all the software developers working for closed source companies when mainstream users start adopting free products in droves.
After all, if Microsoft's Palladium is successful, that could mean the end of software piracy - which probably accounts for a good chunk of the market. What will all those users do? Will they go out and spend $200 on Windows, $500 on Office, and $600 on Photoshop? No, they'll come running to Free and Open Source Software! And pretty soon, they'll be able to find replacements for EVERYTHING they need.
(Sorry for jumping from topic to topic, it's late.)
please
you fooled the moderators at least
A potential Linux user that doesn't have the luxury of a hand-holding-Linux-guru friend to help them install their desired software would view an easy to install binary application as a "big plus".
Well, it might be good for standalone audio-only projects with only a few tracks. One feature I do not see listed is timecode, and support for hardware sync clocks. Without that, you are out of the running for A/V production. In pro audio, media-independent sync is absolutely necessary.
Ah but the people who won't understand this, are the same people who don't understand why the lack of CMYK support is such a limiting factor for Gimp.
The shell script for the .41 seconds of audio for every one second...
dd if=/dev/dsp of=/dev/dsp bs=512 count=100
This is the easiest way to force the CMI8738 soundcard into full duplex mode. An alternative way would be to write a simple C program, like I did, to write raw bits to the soundcard. I have it writing bits to the soundcard to disable audio loopback and enable "full-duplex" mode all the time.
Science has NOT been able to explain everything.
It's not science's job to "explain everything." Science, unlike religion, is a process rather than a product. No scientist will ever claim that his or her work is complete. (Similarly, no scientist will ever insist that you take his or her work on faith, lest your soul burn for all eternity in some 13th-century Italian dude's idea of a bad Quake level.)
In addition, there are many open problems to evolution.
Again, we're not the ones trying to sell you all the answers to your questions. (They're free, and many of them can be found here.
Personally, I do believe in the concept of evolution, it has mounting RECENT evidence FOR it. As for the current man from ape garbage being spouted in some schools, nope, not buying it.
And I most definately do not buy into the invisible man who will send plagues, famine, flood, sexual urges you can't act upon, and cast you into a pit of raging molten torture for all eternity if you piss him off... but loves you.
CMYK is only useful for legacy printing gear
RGB works just fine for monitors, be they LCD or plasma or CRT or even projection, and it works well for RGB printers such as Durst Lambda or Fuji Pictrograph. Not only be RGB printing but continuous tone and hence without the bother of screening.
The longer CMYK is supported as a legacy technology, the longer we'll be using outdated processes to provide inferior output.
And I most definately do not buy into the invisible man who will send plagues, famine, flood, sexual urges you can't act upon, and cast you into a pit of raging molten torture for all eternity if you piss him off... but loves you.
You know, if any woman had a boyfriend who acted like that but still professed to love them, everyone they know would be upon them to leave the psycho sonofabitch.
I think that's the best advice regarding church n religion I've ever heard.
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
Ever consider some intelligence in the process?
How do you explain a worm/other primitive organism becoming a human over "millions of years" by white noise. ("millions of years" helps calm down much common sense... right?) We haven't discovered any transitionary species. ("missing links") It would take very percise environmental conditions... creation... to facilitate the formation of the diverse organisms on Earth.
In my opinion, evolution requires a whole lot more faith than creationism.
This guy wrote the software with Linux in mind, not BSD. Actually, most successful large, Open Source projects are designed primarily for Linux (such as KDE and Samba.)
Deal with it.
I'll be happy once my creamwear card is supported with asio 2. .. drivers. .. plugins and vst instruments.
That's the problem
Another is of course
To quote his page:
"I am now a tireless advocate for Linux in the audio world, and work essentially full time writing free (as in beer and talk) software for electronic music composition and recording."
Isn't it interesting how he said Linux and not BSD? Very interesting indeed. Most successful Open Source projects are licensed under the GPL, and are written specifically for Linux.
The BSD crowd would have you believe this is due to some silly legal issues which predate many large successful Open Source projects, but they are just trying to make excuses for their favorite project's shortcoming: the license.
They choose to believe that 95% of the Open Source world is ignorant and oblivious to the issues of licensing, instead of believing the truth.
Don't be mislead by Creationist mumbo-jumbo. Only listen to real science. If you start believing what Christian "scientists" have to say concerning scientific topics, then you might as well take into consideration the declarations of Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and Wiccans concerning natural phenomenon.
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Hate to tell you, but that 'legacy' CMYK technology is currently installed in just about every printer (think 'big book factory' rather than 'laser/inkjet/etc.') in the world. Not being able to submit graphic data in CMYK is a big limitation.
Perhaps, but you get into a paradox that is unsolvable. You see if the creator could simply "always have been" and come from nowhere, then we could and all the other species could have as well. As I said, I don't buy into current evolution theory either. My own ideas include it but differ... our origins I don't have enough data to come to any real conclusions about, only speculation. I myself tend to think it's perfectly ok to accept NONE of the commonly accepted beliefs of human origin rather than settling for the one that comes closest. I believe in human evolution (not ape to human evolution) because I've seen evidence of it in my own lifetime. Humans are evolving more and more rapidly, the average IQ level of each generation is higher than the last. The number of perfect SAT scores grows despite a slacking interest in acedemics. This is in large part due to more readily available information. But readily available information can only go so far when your trying to explain away literally 3yr old computer programmers and 8yr old stock market gurus. (yes these really exist, google for yourself). That is why I believe in HUMAN evolution, if it exists in humans then it must exist in the other species as well. After all we are made of the same stuff and even share a great deal of DNA. Do I believe in one animal transitioning into another in terms of evolution? I've no hard evidence to support or dispute this and reserve judgement. Do I believe my own eyewitness testimony of evolution (or at the least adaptation) disproves a creator based beginning? Absolutely not, I believe we now adapt and evolve, whether we do so because of some invisible man in the sky's grand design, or perhaps we are the creation of yet another species via floating particles in that lingering odor left after he passed gas. Who can tell? At this point, I find the two conventional theories and that last equally likely. There is simply not enough data for me to believe otherwise.
Oh man! A binary?? I've been dying to try this piece of code, but was never successful compiling it from CVS. Ended up using ReZound and Audacity (which are both good in their own rights), but judging from the Ardour screenshots, I think I'll be switching once the binary comes out.
I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas. Hurry 'dem binaries, pleease!
very precise enviornmental conditions... the various environmental conditions which exist/have existed/will exist in the universe are theoretically infinite. That makes the occurance not a longshot, but an inevitability. I think that is the strongest argument for evolution I've heard to date ;)
it's garbage - in particular the audio drivers for linux that is. You only get any sort of MMIO with RME drivers (hammerfall dsp + alsa).
For all you slashdorks elmmy translate:
hardware audio is a good thing.
Write effects libs that actually use the dsp chips on more audio hardware or don't even bother with this crap.
I've experimented with Linux and other open-source OSes for a while now, but I've never found one that can make a permanent home on my desktop. One major reason: No good multi-track recorder! Sure, there are options like Audacity, but there is nothing that can rival the mixing options of, say, Cool Edit Pro. For my mixing, I absolutely NEED features that I can control -- a good compressor, gain control, some decent effects, a reliable GUI, etc. Now, it looks like Ardour may offer that, and so I rejoice. This may be the last rail laid on my transitional track, and the golden spike is beautiful. So Ardour, I say bring it on. Lemme see what you got!
*Takes a deep breath*
Religion has had a long time to establish itself as a leader in science. Thousands of years of documentation. The potential to store scientific knowledge has been enormous. If religion were interested in how the world works, we'd be much further advanced than we are now. Here's an understatement for you: You had your chance! Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick, you had your chance!
Wish it will be in Knoppix..
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Because those people don't matter.
The people who do matter understand that CMYK is important. There's not much to be done about it, though, because it is patented technology.
As long as we're not dealing with a standard that is patent encumbered, it will come in due time. (Due time being the time of those who feel like working on it. They aren't on anyone else's time table.)
Egad, modded down by the *BSD boys again!
God damnit, I need some fucking backup! Where the fuck are the rest of you when I need some goddamned backup!?
I wanna see some fucking BSD IS DYING posts up in this bitch. Every other posts should explain, in detail, exactly why BSD is dying.
I wanna see some fucking posts rubbing the BSD bitches noses in the dirt.. Remind them that the world is developing software for Linux, not BSD. The world is using the GPL, and not the whore BSD license.
GET BUSY.
I guess you can!
TROLL! TROLL! FLAME! TROLL!
Lameness filter filler
Big time! RGB just doesn't translate to paper very well.
Hey Sherlock did ever consider since the offending IP is an open proxy that maybe the spammer was using it as a fucking proxy!
God damn you are one stupid fucker.
What? The world uses Windows, my friend.
I'm sorry, but your post is incredibly insensitive. Beating up on *BSD fanboys is like beating up on crippled retards with cancer. Have a little bit of sympathy for people with cancer and be more sensitive to the plight of crippled retards. They don't need nasty posts like yours heaped on top of the insult and injury they're already suffering. jeez.
Bitch!
1% of Google Queries are done on Linux machines.
Next year, that will rise to 2%. You get the idea.
Anyway, back on track: GET BUSY YOU GOATSE FUCKER! I don't care if you don't use Linux. Start posting some anti-BSD shit right-fucking-now, and don't give me not fucking backtalk!
Oh yeah, and I forgot: make plenty of typos!
You're are very right.
BTW: The "intelligent designer" was an alien.
If Christians believe what you say (intelligent design) then there's no reason why we weren't placed on earth by aliens.
You see, here's the difference between your theory, and the truth:
The process of science:
Observation -> Hypothesis -> Testing -> Debate
The process of religion (intelligent design, ie: Genesis, without God):
Fiction -> Asserting -> Insisting -> Twisting Fact -> Torturing
For a thoughtful debate on this, watch Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episode on creationism (why do these things keep popping up? do none of you watch thought provoking TV?) Actually, I'd swear you've watched it, because those sites you link to are exactly the bullshit they disprove.
There may be debate as to wether evolution is the best scientific model, and if there are mistakes in it, it will be revised through the aforementioned scientific process. There, however, is positively no serious debate as to whether we were cherry picked by aliens or not.
I have a question, though. Why does "intelligent design" require a Noah's Ark?
Riddle me that, and riddle me why an alien with an awesome spaceship would use a shitty wooden boat to transport animals instead of some matter-energy transporter?
Either that or tell me why it is impossible that the "intelligent designer" was an alien.
If you can do neither, then your theory is really pathetic, because I am but a lowly slashdotter, and certainly not a scholar, yet I was able to disprove it.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
Ardour supports MTC sync. From the FAQ at :
http://ardour.sourceforge.net/ardour_faq.txt
* functioning as a MIDI Timecode master (it generates MTC)
* functioning as a MIDI Timecode slave (experimental; send reports!)
From browsing the mailing list archives, i gather that ardour does not directly support true SMPTE (which is timecode encoded as an audio signal); but if you have a hardware MTCSMPTE box you might be able to use SMPTE.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Please keep us updated on this as I am curious as to what happens to them. I'll keep an eye out for future updates in future articles. thx.
Hell yeah!!!!
Yeah, I've heard White Castle is a haven of Software Piracy.
OK, so this seems pretty cool...
Does it "just work", like my Mac does?
Does it interface perfectly with all my audio hardware?
Can I export directly from it to a DVD editing package on the same machine?
these companies - specialists like avid/digidesign, etc. - aren't generally too affected by what mainstream users do. or doo... as the case may be.
just take a moment and think about what RGB and CMYK *mean* and the contexts in which they are used.
light-reflecting displays will be represented most accurately by CMYK, just as light-producing displays are represented well by RGB. that's why most of those goofy backlight images in airports look like shit.
We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?
It's just that it's becoming irrelevant now that Linux has surpassed it. In a way they're fortunate that Apple jacked their code, because now, in a sense, *BSD will actually live on a couple more years. It might bother the *BSD fanboys a bit that their OS only lives on in an OS for the technically illiterate, but the beauty of it is that they can switch to Gentoo if they still want a power-user's OS, and they lose nothing in the process. Yes, change is hard. I feel especially bad for new *BSD users, the majority of which just switched from OS/2. Now they have to do it all over again. At least Linux does a nice job of making the transition easy for them.
University of Maryland researchers were able to grow a checkers playing program out of nothing (it knew legal moves, that's it). Once they thought it had "cooked" enough, they turned it loose on yahoo games where it quickly reached an expert ranking.
To claim that white noise guided solutions can't give rise to more complex systems is to say that the premise of annealing processees are false. Yet molten rock sometimes forms diamonds, so there must be something to it!
Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
Yes, an official feature freeze and subsequent binary release have been announced. However, the release date of the binary is june 13. This will be followed by four weeks of the main developers absence. The binary is a 1.0.rc1. All the c++ dependencies will remain statically linked so it's likely that Debian won't be including this binary in official releases. I think the objective of this release is to increase testing from users but not create an all out marketing assualt.
Reguardless, the announcement is seriously encouraging.
IMO, a commercial studio owner and engineer/producer, professional audio production in linux is close to being a reality. To prove the point to myself, about six months ago I produced a commercial album from start to finish in Ardour. At the time, it was a serious challange which I expected. Since then, Ardour and JACK have seen alot of serious developement.
Unlike what one commentor stated, syncronization in the form of MTC and MMC does exist and it mostly works. You're probably well advised to inquire about syncronization on the mailing lists.
Equally interesting to Ardour is JACK which is a low latency, high bandwidth audio server. It enables port connections between software applications which is serious stuff.
While many linux audio solutions are not > 1.0 there are interesting solutions for preproduction, production and postproduction audio work.
My partners and I have been in business for 19 years. We've had four major studio redesigns and without hesitation I will say that the linux based solution is more interesting than any of the others.
honestly it's not all that hard to compile from CVS if you're familiar enough with GNU/automake-type source packages. I think the total number of external dependencies I had to compile was 7? give it a shot. if you're willing to pay digidesign $?,000 for a full-fledged protools rig then the time out of your day to donate a little testing to ardour is a drop in the bucket.
and WTF, GIMP does CMYK just fine. *yes* the interface is a bit obfuscated, but it is there.
hi, you're freind is stupid. please shoot him in teh head.
I like their stance on libraries. It makes a lot of sense to link to a private version of the libraries if your goal is stability. Sure it increases disk use some (nothing compared to the output of a multitracker though) and memory use some (again nothing compared to having buffers for multiple high quality PCM streams in ram). This is similar to the way XP and even moreso longhorn are going for criticial libraries, if the version is different from the system default then it gets placed either in a subdirectory under the application or in a special subdirectory of the system library location and called up when the associated program calls the library. This means that none of your core apps or the OS itself get hosed by and update and the other programs behave well because they get the library version they expect.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Sure, Ardour does 24-bit, 96kHz recordings but that does not mean the sound is uncoloured. Hi-Fi recordings sound different on ProTools than they do on DAT than they do on Digital Performer than they do on Cubase. The algorhythms matter.
Plus plug-in support is huge. I use Cubase for the awesome VST support. ProTools is all about Audio Suite. How many recordings are made with Antares plugins (Mic Modeler, AutoTune)? Almost everything you hear from a major label these days. Until someone comes up with VST, MAS, DirectX, and RTAS wrappers (or what have you) for linux, Ardour won't be too significant.
Sure this is good for the home user, but what are you even going to record from? I tried getting my M-Audio Delta 44 audio interface to work with RedHat, but couldn't get a single bleep out of it. Hardware support is key.
Yes this is a great step forward for Open Source. But anyone doing mission-critical professional work on this versus something tried and true would be crazy.
Shouldn't You expect more from your DJ?
This is all nice and everything however are there any sound cards thats can support Full-duplex or more than on channel as even with ALSA just can't getit working
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CMY(K) is just a way of defining a specific color, just like RGB. They are theoretically interchangeable. But the imperfections of practical subtractive color mixing make the K in CMYK necessary in the first place. Also, in printing you need to overfill, for which you want control over the colors that are actually going to be used. But these problems have nothing to do with RGB being additive and CMY(K) being subtractive.
Ah, but it's not. How many people do you know that have done image manipulation at some point in their lives with a computer? Lots, I'd expect. I know I do. How many of them need support for professional printing equipment? None.
You'd be totally amazed at the number of people out there who write music using their PC, keyboard, sample editor and guitar. I know several. For people like that, who actually care about not warezing VST or SoundForge, this sort of stuff is a dream come true.
Of course, I am sceptical that anybody but those who do music professionally actually pay for that stuff, but hey. Here at work we all use the Gimp.
But these problems have nothing to do with RGB being additive and CMY(K) being subtractive.
Er... who said they did?
you insensitive clod.
Can you please use Q1, Q2, etc and not summer, autumn/fall, etc? Indeed, there are local variations in observences even when these seasons are "roughly in sync".
And please spare me "this is an American web site", that argument died the day the first packet when international.
This whole thread makes me sad.
Somebody mentions that he goes to church and
instant flamefest (mostly about evolution)
ignites?
I hope most of you know that freedom of
religion is right there among other basic human
rights.
Would you eg. not hire somebody, because
you assume that he is stupid since he believes
in Jesus? What if he is from different culture
or perhaps physically different, but still fit
for the job?
Would you be friendly and polite to him?
How about trying to feel what he feels like,
or even helping him if he is abused somehow?
As a christian I would like to add that christians
are mostly just like everybody else. They come
from every possible background etc.
Naturally they have different explanations for
things and different ways to structure the world.
(If you ask me, I would say that Genesis happening
exactly the way it was written is nowhere near
the center of Christianity. I think many would
agree. What exactly is in the center is too
seldom discussed openly.)
Where's my OS X port?
/snobbish mac user
moox. for a new generation.
I never knew about this one. This finally looks like some serious reference grade quality audio app in the OSS dept. Cinelerra, Gimp, Sodipodi and now this. It's another patch closing a wide gap in open source and it seems a damn good one.
I'm more the 3D guy rather than a sound fiddler and helped buy Blender (www.blender.org) free, but this is so cool I'll think I'll donate a little here too.
If you've got a paypal account allready, spare an Euro, Dollar or two, it's a good deed for the day.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Ardour is a Multitrack Audio Recorder/Editor, similar to Pro-Tools but without the MIDI (it does have MTC though).
Bose is a speaker/stereo manufacturer.
I can't see how the two relate to one another at all (though I suppose you can play music made with ardour on a Bose stereo).
Not really interesting at all!
Its simply because Linux has ALSA, where as *BSD don't. Thus you can't run Jack.
Here's a link to the
free version of ProTools...I think it is cripple-ware, not a time limited demo. Don't know, though, since I've never used it, so YMMV.
http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree
"Weapons should be hardy rather than decorative" - Miyamoto Musashi
I think that goes for OS's too
Ummm....anyone who's sending a 4-color job to a real printshop, with an offset press. This is not so uncommon, and if your print run is more than a couple thousand copies or so it's actually the cheapest way to go.
Sure, you don't need it for your home photo album or departmental newsletter, but anyone who's actually publishing something to print has to have it if they want to publish in full color.
I'll be able to compile the darn thing!
One thing I hope they do do is make it easier on us poor schlubs to satisfy all of the dependencies and get it up and running.
I've been "working" with this on and off for the better part of 3 months and have yet to actually compile it completely.
I may seem overly negative, but I firmly believe that Ardour has the potential to find its way into professional facilities, at least in B or C rooms.
Also, hopefully this means that VST pluggin support can finally be added (without violating steinberg's license)
All and all, this is good news!
Now, if gear manufacturers would just adopt the same open source model as Ardour, I'd be all set
"Uh yeah, I'll need that 56-channel Neve, and I'll take one of those Studer A827's... great thanks!"
sad robot making broken music
Have you ever taken a science course? I mean damn dude, these are the basics.
- mao
Paul Davis does this about once every six months... Consider his other dead-end project, Quasimodo, and things don't look too good.
Ardour is just a sandbox for the Linux Audio Developer folks. The only chance Linux will get a usable/installable multi-track digital audio application (*with* MIDI sequencing) is if a commercial company becomes interested.
I'm sure someone will port it eventually, but why would he waste his time on a dying OS?
The people who don't understand why lack of CMYK support in GIMP isn't such a big deal are the same people who don't understand their careers in print design are speeding toward the grave of obsolesence. Hang in there, GIMP fans... we get the last laugh.
>We haven't discovered any transitionary species.
>("missing links")
Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings
(Mark Twain, IIRC)
to paul and contributors, this is very cool. Can't beat Logic 6 or Pro-tools, but with a little help, I think Ardour (and Protux) may at least be competitive. Whats really needed is native VST support, which is not looking good. Running them under wine is probably not going to perform anywhere near as well as a native VST host or something like the AU adapter for Logic 6. But the novelty of it....
If folks are going to make open source DAWs, where is the open plugin API? Maybe Im getting ahead of the game plan...
It doesn't make sense for audio professionals to suddenly switch to Linux just to use a digital audio multi-track program. They're either locked into proprietary hardware (ProTools) or proprietary software (VST plug-ins).
A free digital audio multi-track program makes better sense for price-sensitive users like songwriters, unsigned bands, churches, high school drama departments, college radio stations, etc. However, the ardour project has been hostile to such users in the past by insisting that they use an expensive soundcard like the Hammerfall. So we'll see what happens.
are the same people who don't understand why the lack of CMYK support is such a limiting factor for Gimp.
Is timecode patented? The biggest things holding back CMYK support in GIMP are the patents on acceptable-quality conversions between RGB and CMYK color spaces.
That said, does one need timecode for pop music production?
Will I retire or break 10K?
The joyful message you're spreading is that if we use free software, we'll have to labour for hours correcting it and extending it before it will work adequately.
Own up -- you're really preaching for the Other Side.
Kudos are definitely in order for Paul and the others working on Ardour. However, I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that ProTools is an unreachably expensive system. ProTools comes in multiple versions which have different levels of hardware acceleration. The more hardware acceleration, the more expensive the version.
... many professional albums are made on it. It competes directly with the likes of MOTU Performer, Emagic Logic, Steinberg Cubase, and Cakewalk Sonar.
ProTools Free runs purely in software, using off-the-rack, home sound cards, and is free (beer, not speech). Nobody uses it for real work, but it makes for an okay functional demo.
ProTools LE is targetted at home and small studios, and uses generic pro-level audio adapters. The software and hardware together come out in the $500 to $1000 range.
ProTools TDM is what the big studios use. It requires proprietary hardware with extensive use of onboard DSP and dedicated control surfaces. This is the one for which the hardware and software together fall in the $10000 to $15000 range.
The mid-level LE version is not a toy
But my grandest creation, as history will tell,
Was Firefrorefiddle, the Fiend of the Fell.
I'm afraid you are just wrong on a few of those points.
The ProTools software is FREE. $0. No money spent.
ProTools offers a severly scaled back version for free (that's "as in beer" folks. no open source, no guarantee that it will be free tommorow). And, did you mention, its for windows 9x kernels? I use Linux, but I'll even work with win 2k or XP if I have to. But not windows ME or 98. I no longer wish to reboot my computer every day.
but the DSP's offerred in addition to the audio interface in the ProTools TDM systems make them so much more powerful then CPU bound rigs for large projects.
If you read some of Paul Davis's documentation, you'll find he mentions this particular issue. PC (x86 and now x86-64) CPUs are rapidly increasing in power, and it turns out that a normal x86 CPU can do anything that any other computer can do with enough power. Stick a decent enough CPU and good D/A,A/D converters on a system (good ones do exist) and you could match if not emulate protools hardware. So don't tell me the hardware is superior. We have more than enough power in our desktops to do excellent audio production. The only advantage of ProTools is that it just has better third party support as of now.
I haven't used GIMP or File Gimp very much, but I have the impression that they aren't production class yet. However, the topic is Ardour, and I think it is doing quite well, and might soon actually be appropriate as software for music production. This is especially the case if we can get third party developers behind it (doing effects and what not). In fact, third party support is probably the only really big obstacle stopping ardour from becoming mature very soon. But that isn't going to happen unless people like you can stop kissing DigiDesign's ass long enough to help out Mr. Davis and those like him.
Paul Davis does this about once every six months... Consider his other dead-end project, Quasimodo, and things don't look too good.
Please don't take this troll into account. Ardour has been under development for around 3 years now. The story with Quasimodo is that the CSound community created a "standard" way to do most of what Quasimodo aimed at, so he abandoned the project. jack and ardour, however, are here to stay; not only thanks to Paul's hard work, but also because they have gained enough "critical mass" with the community.
OMFG...
.. if you run out of room on your CPU, what are you going to do? Buy a faster CPU? When you have a 3 ghz P4 in your machine and are trying to add one more AmpFarm (oh wait, Line 6 AmpFarm probably doesn't run on your CPU) plugin to your mix and you can't... you're kind of f**cked, aren't you? Start mixing down and rendering out (and thus locking your mix, which sucks, but hey). The Logic folks have noticed how bad this problem is, as you can "temproarily render" your tracks when you run out of power now. Cool, but limiting.
ProTools TDM, the full version of the software, comes FREE with the appropriate DigiDesign hardware. ProTools LE, the light version of the software that does host-based auto processing, comes FREE with the appropriate hardware. ProTools FREE, which only works with 2 in/2 out on-board hardware (and is limited to 8 tracks) is just free for download (no purchase required).
At any rate, more than 50% of DigiDesign sales (and their primary focus) is Macintosh systems, which is what most studios use anyways. At any rate, ProTools 6 runs on XP just fine, thanks.
As for the rest of your bulls**t about running plugins on the CPU... it's barely worth commenting on, but I will.
The TDM system is scalable
Of course, had you gone the less troublesome route and used TDM, you could just buy another farm card and slap it in.
Any argument that says that the CPU is good enough for higher end audio work is laughable... and clearly being issued by someone who hasn't had to work with EQ's, amp simulators, chorus and a decent sounding reverb across 3 or 4 dozen tracks of 24 bit audio. Hell, I was recording my band on 8 tracks and ran out of CPU power.
With TDM, you're CPU power (and thus, the part of the equation that you can only wait for moores law as far as scalability goes) isn't an issue.
Alas, most people are just going to record in their garages with a pair of microphones and a drum machine, so we're really splitting hairs at this point anyways, I guess.
bash-3.00$ uname -a
SunOS panda 5.10 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-2