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'Quicksilver' Website and Release Date

EvilBastard writes "Neil Stephenson's next book in the Baroque Cycle, Quicksilver, now has a publishing date of the 23rd of September, 2003. This book appears to follow the Shaftoe, Waterhouse and Root family line back to the early 18th Century. You can find a short extract online."

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  1. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup, y'ar. Maybe a little. Stevenson wrote Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash, and In The Beginning Was The Command Line, and others. All highly recommended.

  2. For those of you who don't know who this is... by TheOneEyedMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    He wrote:
    Snow Crash
    Diamond Age
    Crytptonomicon
    In the Beginning was the Command Line
    Zodiac plus two more books under a pen name.
    Great author of a few geek clasics, with great insight into modern issues.

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    1. Re:For those of you who don't know who this is... by ATucker · · Score: 3, Informative


      Plus The Big U which was re-released a couple years ago after being super hard to find. Its his first book, and a great read.

      The books he wrote with his uncle under the pseudonym Stephen Bury are Interface and The Cobweb.

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    2. Re:For those of you who don't know who this is... by E-prospero · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't belive you missed "The Big U" out of that list. Recently reprinted, it's different from Neal's more recent fare, but for anyone who has seen university politics up close, it's fantastic.

      Interface and Cobweb are the two books written under the pseudonum of Stephen Bury.

      Russ %-)

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    3. Re:For those of you who don't know who this is... by oldmildog · · Score: 5, Informative

      BTW, "In the Beginning was the Command Line" can be downloaded for free (yes, legitimately) from his website.

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    4. Re:For those of you who don't know who this is... by cygnus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Insight into modern issues I might agree with. Great author? In short spurts maybe (like first 1/3 of Snow Crash) but often writes as if he's just trying to get the damn thing done (third 1/3 of Snow Crash). His stuff is good, and I read it, but seriously, this guy will be completely forgotten in 30 years.
      my girlfriend's parents are both literature professors and editors of a prominent literature anthology, and they teach Snow Crash in class. so i beg to differ.
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  3. If you're into this kind of thing... by A+Proud+American · · Score: 5, Informative
    I recommend the following:

    Pattern Recognition by William Gibson

    Signal to Noise by Eric S. Nylund

    Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow

  4. sounds interesting by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I heard Stephenson give a lecture at Carnegie Mellon University on Thursday of last week, where he discussed this novel. It sounded very interesting, albeit a departure from his normal science fiction type novels. He discussed what he considered to be the "soap opera" of the Newton-Leibniz controversy regarding the invention of calculus, which spread to other areas. Eventually this led up to a description of Leibniz's ideas metaphysics, which he regards as highly relevant in regards to computer science, cellular automata, and quantum physics. His descriptions of these events were slightly convoluted but that was part of their charm, and while I expected some type of discussion of technology or Snow Crash / Cryptonomicon type topics, I was pleasantly surprised to hear his 18th century tangent. He's a very talented and fascinating man.

    On a side note, he mentioned that he only speaks about once every five years and that he's very anti-social. He said his books are not a social process and come entirely from him, as opposed to including feedback from others. Still, I'm glad to have this man off in his little corner of the world thinking and researching about fascinating topics, broadcasting his findings to the rest of us.

  5. Re:Umm... by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 3, Informative

    I hadn't heard of him until I picked up Cryptonomicon on a whim. (Borders was running it for 20% off once upon a time) I got it for a trip I took with my girlfriend to California, and I was laughing out loud so much she complained repeatedly. The fact that we were sitting in seats next to the plane's engine at the time should be noted here to give you an idea of just how loud I was laughing. Of his books that I've read, I think Cryptonomicon was his best, followed by Snow Crash, The Diamond Age and Zodiac. They're all worth checking out, and probably owning. They're exceptionally geek-friendly.

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  6. Will it have a good ending? by 1984 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    OK, so this is pretty close to trolling, but will the wrap up of the story and finale be done well this time round?

    In Snow Crash, The Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon there was a sense of something epic building all the way through that didn't really pay off. More of shame because he spins such an excellent yarn, and his writing is very engaging. But don't (please) pop the balloon just to bring the book to a conclusion.

    1. Re:Will it have a good ending? by anonymous+loser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree completely that none of those books had a decent ending. However, I was quite satisfied with the ending of Interface which he published under the pseudonym Stephen Bury. I'm not sure how much his uncle (apparently partly responsible for the book) contributed to that.

  7. Re:Next Book? by Capt_Troy · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the first book in the timeline. Cryptonomicon is related (as are the characteres therein) but comes after Quicksilver time wise. So this is the prequel to Cryptonomicon basically.

    If this thing is half as good as Cryptonomicon, it will be worth reading IMHO...

  8. Re:Umm... by lysium · · Score: 4, Informative
    As a Geek (capital G, mind you), you should be aware of Snow Crash (cyberspace), The Diamond Age (nanotechnology), and the Cryptonomicon (cryptography/privacy/freedom).

    IMHO one of the few authors bothering (or able) to extrapolate cutting edge technology and concepts.

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  9. How's the editing this time around? by GGardner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't expect much in the way of correct spelling, good grammar, and typos here on slashdot, and I make plenty of these mistakes myself. But when I'm paying north of $20 for a hardback book, like Cryptonomicon, I really expect to see the work of a professional editor. This book was filled with typos and even spell-checker kinds of errors (e.g. cannon vs canon). Never mind the perl code in the book which lost all newlines. It appeared that the manuscript had just been run through a spell checker, then sent to the printer. Can we expect better for this go around?

    1. Re:How's the editing this time around? by br0ck · · Score: 2, Informative

      He addressed both of these issues several years ago. From the Contact Info section on his homepage:

      If you want to tell me about typographical errors in Cryptonomicon, thank you, but don't bother. I am aware that the book has many typos. The publisher and I are trying to fix as many as we can in a subsequent printing.

      And from his Crytonimicon FAQ:

      12. Why does the perl script on p. 480 have funny-looking line breaks?

      The printed novel is one of several distribution media for the Solitaire perl script, and probably the least important; after all, it does no good unless you sit down and type it into a computer, which is a real pain. If you have a computer, you can probably just download the perl from the Counterpane site. Nevertheless, it was my intention to make it possible to type in the script "by hand" from the book and have it work. When I tried this myself, it turned out that line breaks in the script introduced ambiguities that caused it not to work. Therefore, I reformatted the script so that each line in the printed version ends with a semicolon, wherever possible. This removes the ambiguities and makes it possible IN PRINCIPLE to type it correctly, even if you don't know perl. But the result looks funny if you are a perl aficionado.

      13. Hey, the perl script doesn't work! What's the deal?

      The production people at the publisher tried valiantly to get the perl script typeset without any errors, but one error did slip in. It is located on the eighth line. Where the book says
      $o=~s/.chr((

      and so on, it SHOULD say

      $o=~s/./chr((

      and so on.

      I have notified the publisher and they are going to fix it in the next printing. But all of the books in the first printing will contain the error. Perhaps this will make them valuable collectors' items one day, but for now they are useless as perl scripts.

  10. From what I hear... by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even in the the 1700s the Shaftoes were some bad mutha-

    1. Re:From what I hear... by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shut yo' mouth!

    2. Re:From what I hear... by spookymonster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jus' talkin' 'bout Shaftoe...

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    3. Re:From what I hear... by stinkwinkerton · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can dig it.

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  11. sequel to nylund's _signal to noise_ by kcm · · Score: 5, Informative

    yes, it's called _A Signal Shattered_, and it was jus as good if not better. wish he'd do another..

  12. Re:Don't ya just love it... by HeghmoH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but in this crowd, Neal Stephenson is just as big, if not bigger, than Star Trek or The Matrix.

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  13. Re:Enoch again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Spoiler space.
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    It might be possible that we are talking about Enoch Root, not only a relative with the same name, but the same person who appears on Cryptonomicon. It's been hinted a few times in several places, Cryptonomicon included. Stephenson himself said that there's a "SciFi" turn in Cryptonomicon which will become more evident in Quicksilver.

  14. Re:Enoch again? by duct_tape_n_wd40 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Presumably, as the other two main characters from the blurb on the site have the surnames Waterhouse and Shaftoe, we're talking some sort of 18th Century prequel to Cryptonomicon somehow.

    Presumably the Waterhouse and Shaftoe characters are ancestors of the characters in Cryptonomicon. Whether "Enoch" is an ancestor to Root in Crypto, or is (ahem) something entirely different remains to be seen.

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  15. don't forget The Big U by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 2, Funny

    I alternated between laughing "I know that guy" and shivering "I am that guy".

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  16. eh by stego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Things shouldn't have to be 'People Magazine' big before its safe to assume that thay can be mentioned on Slashdot w/ out a preamble. As far as current sci-fi or techie writers go, NS is huge. He may not be William Gibson, but he's certainly not obscure.

    Given the tools available to you, there isn't really room to complain about not having heard of someone or something.

    It is better to be silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

  17. Neal Stephenson's short fiction by tskirvin · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case you're interested, I've also got a page up of Neal Stephenson's short work, fiction and non-fiction.
    BTW, this book is the first book of three in Baroque Cycle, and they'll be released at six month intervals. So says HarperCollins.

    1. Re:Neal Stephenson's short fiction by AAron+the+Weird · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because Stephenson wrote a several thousand page monster of a manuscript, and the folks at HarperCollins had to cut it down to a marketable length. I read an 1100 page version of Volume 1 last fall. Like Cryptonomicon, it's got some great bits, fascinating characters, and some interesting digressions, but the overall structure of the story needed some editing to make it more coherent. I'm curious to see what the 'final' product is like this September.

  18. Re:Don't ya just love it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try trying "Neal Stephenson" in that search box thingie at http://www.google.com/ (a search engine, just in case you haven't heard of it either). You might be surprised at the result.

  19. stephenson keynote in june by thedude13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    fyi, he's speaking at the Usenix Technical Conference on June 12th as the keynote speaker. he's going to talk about this new book and some other things. luckily, i'll be there =)

  20. Re:Next Book? by Laplace · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this is the prequel to Cryptonomicon basically.

    I heard that he wants to make the prequel kid-friendly, and is introducing a large-eared sidekick that has an amusing Jamacian accent. I'm really looking forward to this one.

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  21. Better a "cycle" than an immense tome by Sabu+mark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Three thoughts:

    1. The "period-ness" of the novel may surpass the "geek-ness." This is a tad disappointing.

    2. I'm rather indifferent to the genealogical links between these characters and Cryptonomicon's. I mean, the characters in Cryptonomicon were pretty good, but it's not as if they were so fabulously conceived that I said "Goddamn, I wish I could read an entire cycle of books about their ancestors!" But Stephenson obviously has affection for them, so whatever helps him write is okay by me.

    3. I also suspect the idea of a "cycle" of books arose from his experience writing (and attempting to end) Cryptonomicon. I suppose it's easier to write an ending if it needn't be the ultimate ending. And also, if he found himself generating more than a thousand pages once again, it was probably better to partition them into several volumes and write as much as wanted, rather than form the immense tome that Cryptonomicon became and be forced to cut the story off somewhat abrupty.

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  22. Question RE: Stephenson and Gibson by ARR0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I read Cryptonomicon a year or so ago and loved it, and also really liked Snow Crash. So I went to check out one of William Gibson's books and found that Idoru was the only one at my local library. I checked it out, but after a couple of chapters I gave up. It just didn't impress me.

    My question is, is Idoru considered to be among Gibson's best work? If not, what's the best introduction to his style?

  23. The sky is falling! by xmutex · · Score: 2, Funny

    OMFG, the /. editors let a misspelling of NEAL Stephenson through.

    Heresy!

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  24. Re:Enoch again? by djkitsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I assumed that the fact that Enoch Root in Cryptonomicon would, logically, have been much older than he in fact was when meeting Randy Waterhouse was one of those "don't ask too many questions" situations...
    Perhaps that hints at this interesting theory, too?

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  25. lone genius I.S.O. editor by drwho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stephenson has a great mind, no doubt. The mind is backed by a tremendous ego. This is important for a writer, otherwise they become too hash of a self critic and no book ever sees the press. However, and editor is usually the devil's advocate against the writer's ego, challenging and filtering concepts so what comes out the end doesn't seem like a long UseNet pos. I don't know who is doing Stephenson's editing, but they need to be a bit more foreceful with him: for one, cutting out more. How many pages were spent describing breakfast cereal in Cryptonomicon? This is up there with John Galt's forty page speech in Atlas Shrugged, in terms of Too Much. It's a difficult task, writing less, it is like writing really tight, optimized code. It's a skill that Stephenson, or his editors, need to acquire. Along with better proofreaders for spelling and grammar.

    In spite of all this criticism, I do enjoy his works.

  26. Re:Enoch again? by indole · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As this page reminds, Enoch died in cryptonomicon and came back later on.

    I knew that wasn't a plot hole.

    Interesting indeed.

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  27. Shucks by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..Neil Stephenson's next book in the Baroque Cycle...

    And here I sit, out of Monet.

    Baroque of course, from trying to keep up with all the excellent books by David Drake (Hammers Slammers fame)

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  28. Re:Umm... by StealthBadger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also Zodiac, which was one of his earliest. Not quite as polished, as funny, and more irreverent than Snow Crash.

    He seems to like dry humor, irony, mystical experiences, sex , and underdogs.

    Not necessarily in that order.

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  29. Obscure like...? by krysith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, he's pretty obscure:

    Number of Linux users as of today (source: the Linux counter, http://counter.li.org/): 134107

    Sales figures of Cryptonomicon, as of 3/19/01 (source Publisher's Weekly (http://publishersweekly.reviewsnews.com), sorry figures are so old, I don't have time to search for new ones):116,330

    Yep. I agree. We ought to cover Star Trek and The Matrix, and not obscure stuff like Linux and Neal Stephenson. That stuff is for nerds!

  30. Can you tell me where the waves are? by PhillC · · Score: 2, Funny

    I almost thought there was a story about surfing on /.

    http://www.quiksilver.com/

    You know, water, sand, sun and all that outdoors stuff.

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  31. I did some work for him on this book by Jack+Wagner · · Score: 5, Informative
    Neal's research staff contacted me two years ago and I did some minor work for him, via email (I never met him so don't go all crazy and ask for details) and was paid very well, considering it was research for a book.

    Neal's a pretty sharp guy but he outsources a lot of his research to proffesionals (makes sense) and has several staff people help him put the pieces together, as it were.

    I offered my services as part of the FTEST (final tech editing service team) but Neal didn't want a computer pundit as much as he was looking for science pundits. Ah well, at least now I'm in his rolodex and hopefully I'll get more chances to work with him.

    Warmest regards,
    --Jack

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  32. about crypto's length by ilsie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first time I read "Cryptonomicon", I was slightly put out by how long and drawn out many of the passages and descriptions were. So I ended up reading the whole thing but sort of skimming over some of what I thought was less important stuff.

    Imagine my suprise when, two year later, I picked up the book and decided to read through it again. I can't believe how much I missed the first time through. Sure, not all of it has everything to do with the storyline, but it's all entertaining, and quite funny in many places.

    The best example I can (sorta) remember is when the younger Waterhouse is at the estate of his newly deceased grandmother, and all the relatives are trying madly to get the best inheritance. Waterhouse devises a formula that gets him what he wants. The whole scene had very little to do with the storyline, but it was great to read, and I'm glad he put it in there.

    If you want short and to the point, go see a movie. Also, you dont know long and drawn out unless you've read the unabridged "Les Miserables."

    1. Re:about crypto's length by fuctape · · Score: 3, Informative
      It had a *lot* to do with the story line, or at least the character development!

      The scene (in which Randy's older relatives determine who gets what family heirloom by taking each piece and laying it on a huge x-y / sentimental-monetary value axis) lets the reader know just how the nerdiness seen in L.P. Waterhouse (the grandfather, inventor of the computer) is 'genetically' carried down to Randy (hacker extraordinaire) via his older relatives (mathematicians and scientists, all).

      But more importantly (if you want plot!), Randy figures out a way to cheat the system he designed and gets a trunk full of old encrypted cards from the war that ultimately allows him (Epiphyte's stockholders, really) to get the gold and the girl (Randy gets the girl, not the stockholders).

  33. Not his best by frenchgates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree, I found Snow Crash and Diamond Age hard to put down, but Cryptonomicon hard to pick back up.

    I actually abandoned it about 3/4 of the way through, finding it, as you said, just too long for the content and a little silly.

    One of my biggest complaints about SnowCrash and Diamond Age is that he starts with great characters and premises and then crashes them into these global apocalyptic endings that are a bit ludicrous.

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  34. Re:Umm... by myLobster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure I'm not the only person for whom ITBWTCL catalysed our interest in Linux.

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  35. The preview (phew! what a relief) by Tax+Boy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Neal Stephenson's writing style apes Thomas Pynchon quite a bit. Pynchon's last book was Mason & Dixon, which took place in the 1700's and was written in a faux-18th century style of writing. Neal's author biography on the Quicksilver website is written in a similar style.

    Fortunately, the preview of the book isn't written like that. Last thing I want to do is slug through another 800 pages of "picnicks" and other arbitrary 18th century capitalization and spelling choices. At least Pynchon didn't also use those archaic "f"'s instead of "s"'s. (yes, I know they aren't really f's but that key isn't on my keyboard)

    Good thing too. Given his style of writing and geeky subject matters, Stephenson has often been accused of writing like Pynchon a little too much....

  36. what I want to know.... by John+Harrison · · Score: 2, Funny
    Did his speech start out incredibly detailed and textured, only to accelerate about halfway through? At that point was he only sketching out ideas rather than exploring them? Did it get faster and faster until he ended suddenly with an unfinished sentence, quickly walking off the stage, leaving everyone to wonder about the details?

    I enjoy his books, but his tendancy to "accelerate" makes me think that he gets bored with them far sooner than I do.

    1. Re:what I want to know.... by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Were you at the lecture too?

  37. Re:Enoch again? by jtdubs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More spoilers here (about Cryptonomicon)
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    I'm hoping that you are refering to what I think you are referring to. In crypto, during the WWII timeline, Enoch root dies. Shaftoe and a surgeon they yanked out of his house are there when it happens. But, in the "present" timeline Enoch turns out to be Waterhouse's cell mate.

    This confused the hell out of me when I first read it.

    So, are you saying it's possible that Enoch is something more ephemeral? Either a time traveler, or a god or something along those lines? That could explain how he would turn up in some many desparate timelines (including, apparently, the Baroque period...)

    I'm very curious to read this new book and find out. :-)

    Justin Dubs

  38. Re:Enoch again? by theoryman · · Score: 2, Informative
    I just finished reading Cryptonomicon this week, and I thought that Enoch hadn't died. I thought they faked his death somehow. I actually looked up the passage, surprised that I found it. After Enoch is pronounced dead there is this paragraph:
    "...After a minute or two he sees Rudy poke his head out the door of the doctor's office and look one way, then the other. He pulls his head back inside for a moment. Then he and another man walk out of the office. The other man is wrapped in a blanket that covers even his head. They climb into the Mercedes, Blanket Man lies down in the back seat, and Rudy drives off in the direction of his cottage."
    Of course, it could still mean that he is supernatural and did die but came back to life. I imagine we'll find out more in Quicksilver.
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