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The Gospel According to Neo

Xel writes "Josh Burek, writer for The Christian Science Monitor and A.K.A. the guy who sits 4 cubicles from me, has written an excellent essay on religion in The Matrix: The Gospel According to Neo. Sure, this topic has been covered ad nauseum, but it's refreshing to see such a thoughful examination aimed not at geeks alone but a broader, more traditional, and more traditionally religious audience. It also has a nice little glossary at the end where even pasty-faced and vinyl-clad Matrix worshippers may find some easter eggs they didnt know."

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  1. And on the seventh day... by vought · · Score: 5, Funny

    the render farms rested, for their caches were full, and their disks bore the fruit of long labors.

  2. Obvious by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

    The geek shall inherit the earth.

  3. Christ.... by Ogrez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this time... I thought it was just a really good movie...
    Soemtimes I think people just get stuck in the "willing suspension of disbelief" and forget that its just a movie... im not looking for a religious revolution, I just want to see Neo kick some machine ass...
    But I will be watching on opening day... I already have tickets...

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    Fire in the hands of the village idiot is no tool, but a weapon of mass destruction
    1. Re:Christ.... by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Soemtimes I think people just get stuck in the "willing suspension of disbelief" and forget that its just a movie... im not looking for a religious revolution, I just want to see Neo kick some machine ass...

      Literature has always been written to be inclusive to as many levels of audience as possible. An atheist can read the bible and see some "good stories" a zealot sees a way of life. That you appreciate the base level of the movie says only that this is where your enjoyment is. If I enjoy the symbolism my enjoyment is elsewhere. Kudos for having a film with such diverse appeal :-)

  4. Once again... by Glock27 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    someone confuses American pop culture with serious thought.

    Ooops.

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    1. Re:Once again... by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that serious thought DOES goes into POP culture.

      MTV isn't run by teenie boppers, it's run by Harvard grads who know how to bleed money out of sheep-like hordes of teenagers.

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  5. Oh My God! It's true! by bperkins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Take the word "matrix" and take the numbers that add them together.

    13+ 1+ 20+ 18+ 9+ 24=85

    Subtract the number of apostles
    You get 73.

    If the holy number is expressed as a trinity like so:
    7*(7+7)

    You get 98.
    Multiply the two numbers:
    98*73

    Which gives 7154

    That spells out the word God.

    Coincidence?

    I think not!

  6. My favorite Matrix "easter egg": by mcc · · Score: 4, Funny
    Something that a friend of a friend noticed upon spending an entire day watching "the Matrix" over and over while it was still in theaters (they would hide elsewhere in the theatre when the ushers were clearing the seats between showings, then just go back in.. they *claimed* they were doing this for a class.):

    Every time that someone says "God" in the movie, Trinity (if she is present) responds as if she was being addressed. This happens at least twice.

    Whether she is actually responding is always left kind of pseudoambiguous:
    <Neo> Jesus!

    <Trinity> What?

    <Neo> I used to eat chinese food there..
    But, while it could be coincidence, I'm guessing that it just means that Trinity has a healthy amount of self-esteem. If you were a leather-clad female trapped in a hovercraft with a bunch of antisocial geeks, you'd probably start to think you were God too.
  7. Bull by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is a movie that ... captures people's intellectual imagination.

    With dialog like "Noone can be told what the Matrix is", "Woah", and "I know Kung Fu" it's no wonder everyone's in an intellectual tiffy over it. And let us not forget that whole brilliant monologue on weather chicken tastes like chicken.

    The Matrix rocks, but it's a silly sci fi super action movie-not some kind of brilliantly thought out metaphor for reality. I'm reminded of my English teach in HS telling me how every noun in every book is a symbol for humanity and her struggles. Come on people, the people who wrote that script were just making a good movie, not sending us a message. That said, I still have opening day tickets.

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    "Probably the toughest time in anyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil." -Philips
    1. Re:Bull by Rick.C · · Score: 4, Funny
      And let us not forget that whole brilliant monologue on weather chicken ...

      Yes, let us not. Here it is now..

      When I was a kid back in Iowa, we had us a weather chicken. It was like a weather rock, but it had feathers and it moved around more. When the weather chicken was wet, it was rainy. When the weather chicken was white, it was snowing.

      But one day we noticed that the weather chicken had had its head cut clean off and a wooden stake driven through it, pinning it to the ground. We looked skyward to see what this might mean, weather-wise.

      The sky was pure blue. There were absolutely no clouds. Yet there was something eerily wrong: there was no sun!

      As we stood there gazing, white words started to appear across the sky:

      *** STOP 0x0000001E KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED ...

      As it turns out Reality is a Windows app.

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      You were 80% angel, 10% demon. The rest was hard to explain. - Over The Rhine
      "Math in a song is good."-Linford
  8. Exclusive Matrix 2 screenshot by fuxoft · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See exclusive MATRIX REVOLUTIONS screenshot here. :)

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    --- Frantisek Fuka (Yes, that's my real name and you have no idea how it's pronounced)

  9. Similar to what Eastern religions say by losttoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Matrix's storyline which projects the world as a simulation is very similar to what Eastern philosophies say. Eastern religions like Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism treat the world as Mayajaal or web of deceit/temptation/unreal things. To realise one's true potential a person needs to only break mental barriers is also theorised by Eastern philosophies.

  10. Re:Don't forget Eastern Religion by Muad'Dave · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's Gnu/sticism, darn it!

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  11. Christian symbolism by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure there's Christian symbolism all over the place in The Matrix. Take Neo's name for example:
    Neo Anderson
    Neo = New
    Ander = Man
    Which translates to 'New Son of Man'.

    What did Christ call himself? The Son of Man.

    But then again, there's also Bhuddist imagry and as was mentioned the main theme is based on Plato's Cave.

    BTW: My wife attended a talk by Leonard Sweet several months back and he claimed that he is one of the spiritual consultants for The Matrix movies. That would explain where the Christian imagry came from.

    1. Re:Christian symbolism by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Didn't Christ also say he was the son of God and King of the Jews?

      It's interesting that he never said either of these things about himself. Others around him said it of Him and he didn't dispute it when they did.

      For example, at one point He asks his followers what people are saying about him. They give answers like "they think you're a prophet", etc. And then he asks them "Who do _you_ say I am?" and Peter answers "You're the Son of God." He didn't dispute the statement.

      Just prior to His crucifixion, Pilate asks him if He is the King of the Jews and Jesus answers something to the effect "It is as you say".

      thus possibly explaining to Christians that while Christ's philosophies were good, he should be viewed as a normal person who believed in himself.

      Well, in a word, no. Sure while Christ was fully God and fully Man; He didn't rely on his 'God'ness while he was here on earth (that would have been cheating). But He did know who He was. He didn't tell people to belive in themselves, but that the only way out was to beleive in Him. Christian thought doesn't teach to beleive in yourself (that's the Positive Thinking crowd) but instead it teaches that the self is bankrupt and you must surrender it if you're going to get anywhere - to focus on others, not the self.

  12. Re:Interesting read.. by Flabby+Boohoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...Comp Repair (A/Net+) class we've been watching The Matrix all day.."

    Great! Could you send me your resume? I was looking for some qualified techs!

  13. Christian Science Monitor Not Really Religious by stardazed0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Despite the name of the publication, it should be understood that the Christian Science Monitor is not an intensely religious newspaper. In fact, it is one of the most objective and well-written news publications in national circulation. The CSM is often cited by debaters, etc. as a reputable and impartial source of journalism (much more integrity and journalistic value than the likes of CNN, for example).

  14. What the CS Monitor is by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Interesting
    About the CS monitor (if you've never heard about it before, it's probably not what you think it is).

    Is the paper a religious periodical?

    No, it's a real newspaper published by a church -- The First Church of Christ, Scientist in Boston, Mass., USA. Everything in the Monitor is international and US news and features, except for one religious article that has appeared each day in The Home Forum section since 1908, at the request of the paper's founder, Mary Baker Eddy.

    In an age of corporate conglomerates dominating news media, the Monitor combination of church ownership, a public-service mission, and commitment to covering the world (not to mention the fact that it was founded by a woman shortly after the turn of the century, when US women didn't yet have the vote!) gives the paper a uniquely independent voice in journalism.

    Then if the paper's basically secular and for everybody, why is "Christian Science" in its name?


    Eddy insisted, against strong opposition from some of her advisers and church officers, that the words "Christian Science" should be in the paper's name. According to one of her biographers, Robert Peel, to Eddy, "the designated title was an identification of the paper with the promise that no human situation was beyond healing or rectification if approached with sufficient understanding of man's God-given potentialities. Nor did the 'good news' of Christianity involve the prettification of bad news, but rather, its confident confrontation" (witness Monitor correspondent David Rohde's widely followed reporting in late '95 on alleged massacres by Bosnian Serb forces).

    More about the CS Monitor's origin and purpose
  15. Re:Don't forget Eastern Religion by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The problem with the "Buddhist Science Monitor" is that whenever someone gets a really good idea and starts to write an article, they ascend to a better plane. Earth gets all the crappy beginer Buddhists. I bet in blisstopia they have tons of great insites about the Matrix.

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    "Probably the toughest time in anyone's life is when you have to murder a loved one because they're the devil." -Philips
  16. Re:Don't forget Eastern Religion by fjordboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think maybe you should read the article. The article is pretty clear that there isn't only *one* viewpoint. The author mentions buddhism more than once in the article. He's just discussing the disagreement and discussions within the Christian community about the film. He's not espousing one view over another, just showing how many different ideas there are about it. The author definitely mentions gnosticism as well...he's basically covering all the grounds and saying: "Look, you have these things happening in the film, what are some possible meanings?"

    No one is seriously treating the script as a Neo-New Testament. But "The Matrix" story has stirred debate within the Christian community


    He's not pushing or enforcing any Christian reading of the film or saying that the Christian viewing of the film is the only one.
  17. You'd have a lot of depressed, mentally ill folks by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... if somehow you were able to convince the masses there was / is no God. A lot of people simply can't imagine a life with no higher power as being positive, good, or worth living. Others who see the existence of God as keeping them in check would suddenly feel free to break all 10 commandments and enjoy it. So all these people would likely become depressed, suicidal, putting a huge burden on our healthcare system. Or, they might just go bonkers and start killing people, stealing, looting, pillaging, and practising all sorts of heathenous behaviors. Of course, once all these deluded people passed on we could get down to business, but there'd be about a hundred years of rough times. Religion has a purpose in society, even if it has none to you. Largely, it's to make an unbearable life worth living and as universal policeman. And if only for those reasons alone, I tolerate it. I just don't practice it myself.

  18. Re:Meh, sometimes you look a little TOO deep by dvorak_keys · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wasn't it in the voiceover that one of the Wachowski brothers said they changed the color and logo because they wanted to set the tone, to suggest how pervasive the matrix one? Since everything in the Matrix was green they extended it to the credits. I don't recall them saying anything about wanting to "corrupt the Gospel of John". This article reminds of a bad lit class where they read what they want into it... it's a movie, not a neo-christian vinyl clad pamphlet.

  19. Warner Bros. confirms: Trinity is dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is official; Warner Bros. now confirms: Trinity is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Matrix fanboy community when the Warshowski Bros. confirmed that Trinity's wank appeal has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all geek porn. Coming on the heels of a recent Natalie Portman survey which plainly states that Trinity has lost more market share of masturbatory fantasies, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trinity is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by dead last in the recent "Who do I think of while jerking off" test.

    You don't need to be a pasty-faced, anti-social computer nerd to predict Trinity's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trinity faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trinity because Trinity is dying. Things are looking very bad for Trinity. As many of us are already aware, Trinity dies in the end of "Matrix Reloaded." Red blood flows like a river of blood. From her. When she dies.

    Nude Trinity is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of her erotic potential. The mannish and unpleasant physique of long time Trinity actress Carrie-Ann Moss only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Trinity is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Trinity sycophant Michael states that he has written 7000 fanscripts featuring Trinity. How many people who give a shit about Trinity are there? Let's see. The number of Galadirel versus trinity posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Trinity fanboys. Trinity in vinyl images on Usenet are about half of the volume of picuters of women shitting on themselves. Therefore there are about 700 losers who fantasize about Trinity being their girlfriend. A recent article put Trinity at about 80 percent of the "jerking off to pictures of distended anuses" market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 total losers still reading at this point. This is consistent with the number of Trinity Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Hollywood, abysmal acting and so on, Trinity was killed off at the end of "Matrix Reloaded" and the role was taken over by a small beagle puppy who conveys emotion better than Moss. Now Trinity is dead, her corpse turned over to the Matrix to be liquified and fed to unsupecting batteries.

    All major surveys show that Trinity looks like a post-operative male-female transsexual. Trinity is very hideous and her long term wankability prospects are very dim. If Trinity is to survive at all it will be among Matrix geeks who bought the first one on DVD. Trinity continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save her at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trinity is dead.

    Fact: Trinity is dying at the end of "Matrix Reloaded."

  20. Before there was the Matrix... by Rai · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was the Butlerian Jihad.

    "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." -The Orange Catholic Bible

  21. Matrix Philosophy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like the people who think that The Matrix has some revolutionary or revealing philosophy are always the same ones who deride me whenever I mention that they might enjoy reading some of the classic works of philosophy from Plato, Aristotle, Nietzsche, etc. These, and many other philosophers, were the basis for the main ideas presented in The Matrix and delve into the topics in a much more in depth fashion.

    Could it just be the typical geek fashion to write off something as worthless if it is not exciting or doesn't have any practical application? I don't know, but I encourage any of you who have shrugged off philosophy but find interest in the philosophy found in The Matrix to try out reading some real philosophy. Philosophy may change the way you view the world and--more importantly--make you think about the world.

    Besides the philosophy in The Matrix, there are other geek appealing topics in philosophy. For example, you can find AI in philosophy, and I don't mean from some research paper written by some cognative scientist at MIT. What it means 'to think' and to 'be conscience' have been thought about by some of the most profound thinkers in human history thousands of years ago.

    If you are in college, I would recommend taking an introductory survey course in philosophy. If taking courses is not your thing, try reading some of the philosophy books put out by Penguin Classics. Their books generally have understandable translations, provide historical context where needed, and have explainations for the more difficult readings.

  22. It's an icebreaker, not a treatise by mblase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Christian groups like to talk about "The Matrix" and "The Lord of the Rings" because they're very popular movies that include a lot of religious symbolism and draw on theology for their themes and stories. This is well and good. It's always hard to get people to talk about religion when they're not in the habit of it, especially when they're not very informed on the facts of Christianity or any other major religion.

    What I have problems with is when people hold up these films as proof of their creators' intentions to promote particular religions. The "Star Wars" films have been accused, off and on, of promoting "New Age" religion and spirituality. "The Matrix" relies on Buddhist beliefs and themes as much as Christian ones, if not more. And I still can't understand why the Christian right touts "The Lord of the Rings" as a brilliantly disguised retelling of the Gospels (which it wasn't) while the "Harry Potter" books are vilified for encouraging witchcraft and occult interests (which they aren't).

    All of these are works of fiction, not of faith. They use a variety of religious themes together to make their story more interesting to viewers, often in ways that's not immediately obvious. But religious sorts should be careful to take these stories as they are and not assume too much about the creators' intents.

  23. Re:You'd have a lot of depressed, mentally ill fol by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't confuse ethics with religious dogma. There are plenty of occurrences of murder, theft, looting and rape that are *motivated* by religious beliefs. It can make peoples lives unbearable, as much as giving others hope. Many other people (most athiests in fact) will continue to make decisions based on an ethical framework with the good of the individual and society in mind. With no need for deities.

  24. If you think the matrix is deep, try slashdot... by Iowaguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally, I am impressed by the themes and symbols interwoven in slashdot. For instance, look at the name itself. "Slash"--in ancient Latin this implies a decrease and "dot"---Greek for really small. This implies the quest for the ever smaller, to look beyond minutia with a trained eye. Buddhist if I ever saw it. Then, there is all the bad spelling and grammer, even found in this post. This is the Post-modern idea that we live in an imperfect world, and there is nothing we can do to fix it. But, oh, the Christian irony since spell checkers do exist and we can be saved if only you take the effort to love what is beyond yourself. Oh, I could go on. And, if I was an English major, I would. But to suffice it to say, if you have a million philosophers look at something for a million hours, they will find it to be profound, no matter what it is. As Frued could have said, "Sometimes a posting is just a posting." -Iowa

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    "He who laughs last, didn't get the joke."-Cap
  25. Re:Religion in the matrix? Are you serious? by spongman · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oracle lady
    I'll bite. The Oracle at Delphi is a character from ancient Greek history. As the story goes, a goat herder (Koretas) wandered up the slopes of mount Parnassus and came across a crack in the mountainside where he became intoxicated and started spouting prophetical gibberish ("there was a man, born inside..."). Eventually it was decided that a woman (the Pythia) should be appointed to reside in a specially-built temple (of Apollo) at the site. Orginally the post was supposed to be held by young virgins, but eventually it was decided that the Oracles should be women no younger than 50. In the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Oracle tended a fire (oven?) and a crack in the floor from which arose sweet smelling vapours ("smell good, don't they?") which the Pythia would inhale, seated on a three-legged stool, and, entranced by the noxious fumes, speak the words of the Gods. One of the famous enscriptions on the walls of the temple was "Know Thyself", supposedly a quote from the God Apollo himself.

    Michelangelo painted the Oracle of Delphi on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel. Compare Michelangelo's painting to the costume worn by Gloria Foster in the movie.