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More on Media Consolidation

A few more links on the important FCC decision coming up in a few weeks (see our previous story for more). Common Cause has a good set of background information and advocacy. The Washington Post has a story about the decision, focusing on how independent television stations will be squeezed even harder. This article about ClearChannel is a useful primer about the future of mass media.

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  1. A Corporate Endeavor by Scoria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From any perspective, Clear Channel is an entirely commercial endeavor. Whenever the corporation isn't promoting "sponsors," Clear Channel attempts to promote labels sponsored by the RIAA. Modern radio is a commercial medium, not an exhibition of artistry. "Corporate America" regards you as a "consumer," not a "customer."

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    1. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm impressed. This is the first article in a long time where "Your Rights Online" isn't synonymous with "I Like To Steal."

    2. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by ausoleil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whenever the corporation isn't promoting "sponsors," Clear Channel attempts to promote labels sponsored by the RIAA.

      Cross-marketing. Who ever heard of that? You're forgetting that mass media boiled down to one simple thing: get the most people to listen to most ads that you possibly can. Best of all, slip in ads disguised as "programming." Heck, MTV (when they played music) was the best advertisement ever conceived for record companies. All a video ever has been is an ad for the album. the play "ad" ads in between for more traditional marketing. Probably get paid for both (Clear Channel charges "promotional fees to add a song.")

      So "Art" (with a capital A) never entered into it, ever. But the mass in mass media is the message.

      Clear Channel is simply practicing lowest common denominator programming in order to get the most "butts in the seats." In other words, they'd rather have more folks half-interested in mediocre music that doesn't offend anyone than fewer folks who are truly passionate about what they're hearing. Why? Easy. Capitalism. The more folks listening to their ads, the more they charge. The more they charge, the more they profit.

    3. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by Malcontent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's much worse then that.

      These media conglomarates also come with a political point of view. In a very real sense they will determine who your next president or senator will be. It's hard enough to win an election while debating and fighting against another party. These media conglomarates throw a monkey wrench into the equation by constantly slanting news and commentary to favor their favored candidates.

      Now only are these corporations a threat to consumers but they are a threat to democracy itself.

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    4. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Of course, thats exactly why i stopped listening to FM radio. I have an mp3 player and 6 disc cd changer in my car, i have no reason to. The only radio i listen to anymore is KYW, for traffic reports.

    5. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Heck, MTV (when they played music) was the best advertisement ever conceived for record companies.

      Still, it was better then now, when they show is watered down 'reality TV' and poorly made videos of some guy sitting in pig feces....I mean...'comedy'

      I'll take the music over the tripe they show now any day. (Still, that doesn't mean I DO, MTV has always been garbage)

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    6. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by rtford · · Score: 1

      I live in Cincinnati OH, and have access to TV, Cable and the Internet. On Cable/satelitte tv, I get media from the USA, England, Japan and Canada. The Canadian broadcasts rebroadcast media from Russia, China, and Mexico. I don't watch but could also watch media pieces from India, Germany and most likely France and Italy. For news, I read a number of global newspaper sources off the web. Can't read just one source, but these are all web versions of national newspapers, each witht heir own bias'. Yes, concentration of media sources in the USA is a serious concern, but I don't think we are resticted anymore in what one countries media is saying. The biggest problem I have is the radio in the car is lame because all the radio stations play the same playlist (so I listen to NPR and play CD's :-). Now, if the FCC starts restricting access to foreign media, then I think I will have a concern!

    7. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by pkunzipper · · Score: 1

      I heard a discussion on how record companies would make deals with Product companies to force rap artists to promote product in their rhyme. Obviously Escalades, Philly blunts and TAG watches are automatically on the list, but things like Gap jeans, Gucci perfume, FOX Sports channel, the possibilities ar endless. This has already been done with LL Cool J 's Dr. Pepper rap, referencing Run DMC's dead buddy (shame on them), but the concept im describing above was not to be aired as a commercial, but rather, be embedded in the song, only to have the gullable masses - droopy from lack of personality - cling to their silver diamond egos and "see the light" by buying those products.

      "Cool, now I got the same bandaid as Nelly, and matching Nike shoelaces yo!"

      "Oh yea, well I got the collector's edition of Nelly's bandaid!"

      "I got the North Face edition."

      Eat it foolz.

    8. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by Bearpaw · · Score: 0, Redundant
      These media conglomarates also come with a political point of view.

      And even if they didn't come with an overt political point of view, they support one by default. Nearly every commercial ad is, in effect, a political ad marketing the corporatist socioeconomic world view.

    9. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true, but it comes down to two questions: it this about money? And, will it change anything?

      Throughout the article the mantra of profits was repeated. In fact, the whole article was a thinly disguised defense of Clear Channel's homogenization of radio in the name of profits. Where Money and Art collide, Money wins - always. The message there is clear "if you want art, don't listen to Clear Channel, we're only interested in Money."

      Will further consolidation of broadcast/media outlets in the U.S. change anything?

      Turning good radio/tv/newpaper into profit centers has been going on for decades with one outcome - watered down content. The only question that ever existed was who controled the content, not how bland it will be. So there are only four or three or two or one company churning out the pap - its still the same pap.

      If you want diversity, support it or make it yourself. Read, write, sing, paint, dance, protest. Just don't expect to hear it on the radio.

    10. Re:A Corporate Endeavor by akb · · Score: 1

      Actually, Clear Channel regards "you" (the public) as the product to be sold to advertisers.

  2. toles take by TamMan2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    good cartoon on the topic

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  3. New Theme by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone else think whenever 'ClearChannel' is mentioned the Imperial March should play in the background?

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    1. Re:New Theme by Schezar · · Score: 5, Funny

      The way things are going, we should just give in and make it the national anthem.

      Plus, then we could collect proper royalties from every school and sporting event in the nation.

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    2. Re:New Theme by ab0mb88 · · Score: 1

      Sorry that is not a top 40 song, your request has been denied.

  4. Article Text, Washington Post by Damek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Media Fight Focuses on Local TV Stations

    By Frank Ahrens
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, May 14, 2003; Page E01

    If broadcast networks such as ABC and Fox are prevented from buying more local television stations, viewers may soon have to watch NFL games on cable or satellite, meaning football fans who depend on free, over-the-air television would be out of luck.

    Or if they are allowed to buy more stations, they would use their increased muscle to force network programming onto independently owned affiliate stations, even when they would rather show local programs or preempt network programs that may offend community standards.

    Either and both arguments may be true. Local television station autonomy is at the heart of one of the media ownership rules set to be changed soon by the Federal Communications Commission. It was also Topic A yesterday at a Senate hearing chaired by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) but starring Viacom Inc. President Mel Karmazin.

    "Costs are going up, audience is going down, competition is increasing," Karmazin told the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. Viacom owns CBS, 35 television stations and cable channels such as MTV and Nickelodeon. "The only way to help is to relax the ownership rules," allowing networks to buy more stations and increase revenue, he said.

    On June 2, the FCC is scheduled to vote -- and likely pass -- several rules that will make it easier for media giants to buy more newspapers and radio and television stations. Several lawmakers and public interest groups oppose relaxing the rules. The FCC "is putting us on a glide path for big media conglomerates to gobble up independent stations," Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said yesterday.

    (Yesterday afternoon, Democratic FCC commissioners Michael J. Copps and Jonathan S. Adelstein asked Michael K. Powell, the agency's Republican chairman, to postpone the vote, a request typically honored under FCC tradition. Usually, such votes are rescheduled for the commission's next open meeting, about one month later. Powell said he will respond promptly. Republican commissioners Kathleen Q. Abernathy and Kevin J. Martin want the vote to proceed as scheduled.)

    Perhaps the most controversial of the six major media ownership rules teed up for review is the "35-percent cap" on station ownership. Networks are not allowed to own a number of stations that combine to reach more than 35 percent of the national audience. Thanks to waivers and shifting market shares, all of the major networks hover around the 35 percent figure, with some actually above the limit, anticipating its lifting.

    The FCC's media bureau has recommended raising that number to about 45 percent. Powell is sympathetic to Karmazin. The chairman has said that broadcast television needs regulatory help to continue providing free public-interest programming. ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox are steadily losing audience to cable channels. For the first time last year, the aggregate cable audience surpassed that of the combined networks. About 85 percent of viewers have cable or satellite service.

    Further, cable channels have two revenue streams -- advertising and subscription -- where broadcast has one. The smallest major network, however, still has an audience larger than the biggest cable channel, meaning networks can charge advertisers more for commercials.

    The rising cost of programming, especially rights fees that networks pay sports leagues to broadcast games, means that networks lose money by putting their shows on broadcast stations instead of cable, the networks say. "Sports content will be the first to go to cable," Karmazin warned, noting that CBS paid $6 billion to broadcast the NCAA men's basketball tournament for 11 years. "Then other [programming] will follow."

    The surest way to save free television, the networks argue, is to let them to buy more stations, which routinely log profit margins of 20 percent to 50 percent.

    Not everyone agrees. Last week, Rep. Richard Burr

    1. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are the twats marking a un slashdottable, no registration, news website cut and pasting karma whore up???!?!?!?!?

    2. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by Damek · · Score: 1

      Actually, that I didn't post this anonymously was a mistake. I don't want any whored karma, and I hope people don't mod this up. They usually don't anyway...

    3. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by TopShelf · · Score: 1
      One can only hope that this point doesn't hinge on the "rising cost of programming, especially... sports." The networks locked themselves into long-term deals for events like the NCAA's just before the advertising market went into a downturn. This is more about the media companies making some really bad deals than anything else, and now they're looking to the government to bail them out from a regulatory standpoint.

      It will be interesting to see what happens when the next round of sports contracts come up - is it actually possible that athletes might see some overall pay cuts coming? Please, let's hope so!

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    4. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Ok, so 6 networks each reach 35% of the nation...=210%???? Now I'm confused. Must be that new math. Or is it trying to say that each network only directly owns 35% of the stations that bear their name?

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    5. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all the six is referring to six rules not six networks. Second the 35% is referring to ownership of affiliate stations. So NBC can only own 35% of its affiliates (WNBC, KNBC, etc.)

    6. Re:Article Text, Washington Post by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      The rising cost of programming, especially rights fees that networks pay sports leagues to broadcast games, means that networks lose money by putting their shows on broadcast stations instead of cable, the networks say. "Sports content will be the first to go to cable," Karmazin warned, noting that CBS paid $6 billion to broadcast the NCAA men's basketball tournament for 11 years. "Then other [programming] will follow."

      Typical circular argument from a large corporation trying to get government regulation. "Boo hoo the rising costs", what they dont mention is that the costs are rising because the networks themselves keep overbidding. If you bid 6 billion to show a bball tournament, then thats your own problem.

  5. happening in the uk too by freedommatters · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Relaxation of media ownership is something that is happening over here in the UK at the moment and many are worried that Murdoch in particular could expand into terrestrial television. Our network television is now owned by two companies who are planning to merge once the Communications Bill is passed.

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    1. Re:happening in the uk too by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 1

      I was unaware that it is legal to have controlling power over network to air and terrestrial television. Care to back up your claims?

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    2. Re:happening in the uk too by freedommatters · · Score: 2, Informative

      i'm not quite sure what you are asking but this article in the guardian explains the situation.

    3. Re:happening in the uk too by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 1

      You could have placed that link in your original post.

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    4. Re:happening in the uk too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada too.

      At least here, the owners of hte largest conglomerate dont bother with things such a freedom of press and editorials....they say openly that 'their' media will not report anything negative about his buddy the prime minister or about Israel.

      I mean, in the US, you have the same but here they dont even bother with such useless PC things like impartiality.

      Some think thats a bad thing but I dont mind. Its like a neo-nazi, Id rather have him come out in the open so that way we know who he is....

      zack

  6. Radio is dead... by gpinzone · · Score: 3, Informative

    Every major station in New York has either a top 40 format or rock format. And both formats consist of about 10 songs played over and over. If it wasn't for talk radio, I'd have nothing to listen to on the drive to work.

    1. Re:Radio is dead... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Myself, I listen to any station from 87 to 92 FM. That's the non-commercial band (for now) and while you probably won't find great music there, at least you won't have any commercials. I can stand endless repetition of the same songs on the drive to work, but what makes me change the channel is twenty minutes of commercials and DJ talk every hour. These non-commercial stations frequently play sucky music (college radio) or liberal drivel (NPR), but at least I don't have the god-damned commercials.

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    2. Re:Radio is dead... by gpinzone · · Score: 1

      You're lucky if you can pull those stations in without installing a 50 foot FM antenna on the roof of your car.

    3. Re:Radio is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to check out WBAI 99.5, good stuff

    4. Re:Radio is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't bitch about it. switch over to AM and listen to the right wing drivel.

    5. Re:Radio is dead... by eniu!uine · · Score: 1

      Have you tried stealing music on p2p networks?

  7. I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really have by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but they have bought every radio station station in the Houston area that didn't suck, and even a few that did. So I drive cross country, I find another radio station. I listen to it, sounds kinda cool, then you hear "Thank you for listend to KXYZ, the ONLY station that doesn't suck, a Clear Channel Communications station." So they admit that all their other stations suck?

    I wanted to boycott them for taking off my morning show, and using the trained monkeys that borderline politicaly correct (the previous guys would never be mistaken for anywhere near politicaly correct) from New Orleans to broadcast to the entire Gulf Coast. Sounds like cost savings to me, but it really ruined the mornings for me.

    So I swallowed my pride and listened anyways. Before Clear Channel bought everything I stopped listening to one of our local stations because I couldn't stand hearing "Did somebody say McDonalds" 13 times in a 30 second period. Now nearly half the commercials ClearChannel plays assume I can't get my dick up and I need to hear the phone number of the fixer 12 times because I can't dial a damned phone. I assure you neaither is a concern in my case. The quality of radio sure took a dive when they came in.

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  8. Bill Board by awol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saw my first ClearChannel signed billboard near my home in London :-(. Begun this advertising war has.

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  9. YEah. THats why i listend to don and mike. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 0

    Immature, lowest common denomiator, but damn they make me laugh.

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  10. Another article by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative
    This article is also about Clear Channel. It's a great summation of why they are the way they are, and why that's a bad thing. Some choice quotes:

    Every issue we discuss, every decision we make, comes down to a simple test: Will it increase ratings or revenue? If it doesn't, let's move on."
    -- Bennett Zier, Clear Channel Radio Regional Vice-President
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    1. Re:Another article by Guipo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      why is it a bad thing for a company to make profit by any legal means?

      ok, aside from the monopoly that they seem to be achiving, they are a business, and that's a business's job. To make money.

      Guipo

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    2. Re:Another article by royalblue_tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think there is anything wrong with making a profit. The problems come when they are already making a competative profit, and every decision is "how do we make more profit". Then old faithfuls that are profitable get tossed as they aren't making the most profit, and bingo, you get the situation now -

      TV: pick a show (say friends, simpsons), Play repeatedly. 33% Advertising.
      Radio: rent ten slots to RIAA. Play repeatedly. 33% Advertising.

      This is the mentality that gets Jonathon Edwards on the "Sci-Fi" channel - it's *more* profitable than actual sci-fi. But TNN seems to make money showing star trek endlessly?

      So what is wrong from a business perspective - nothing on the short term. But here's an example - Marconi - sold off all its non-core subsidiaries to "concentrate" on telecoms ... which crashed as an industry, crippling what was a blue chip, diversified group. Someone saw telecoms as "most" lucrative, and discarded the rest. And that's what's happening to the Media. And when the five/ten "most lucrative" shows become boring, they are going to crash and burn. Wait a minute, they are - that's why they need to a bigger share - to cut costs, to improve profit lines.

    3. Re:Another article by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      So if it were legal to dump toxic waste in a park, that'd be an ok way to raise profits?

      I think you need to have your head examined. Greed is always ultimately destructive.

    4. Re:Another article by Guipo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      your equating toxic waste to television and raido ( hey, good correlation). But the danger of those 2 things are completly incompatable.

      Lets see, one mutates people, and the other is toxic sludge.

      I think you need to have your head examined.

      Why is everyone telling me that latley!

      but seriously your comparing apples and oranges. We're talking TV and radio. Where people go not to think. Like any business, they want to make a profit. OK, monopolies are bad, you heard it here first. But if the music industry makes oodles of money playing posers who are acting punk, and TV is making money showing when good babies go bad, well thats their proggative. If people dont like it, then they wont respond.

      Is it bad that they are buying all the radio stations. Maybe. I mean, lack of compitition sucks, and leads to no innovation, which is the true problem.

      Guipo

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    5. Re:Another article by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's not a bad thing morally. It's a bad thing for anyone who listens to radio.

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    6. Re:Another article by Guipo · · Score: 1
      Thats all fine and dandy, but they are a private(with public shares) company, and they are entitled to do whatever they want. And if they crash and burn, will anyone really complain. So the business cycle happens. We get new start-up TV and radio stations, which has the music and diversity we like, eventually one of them starts buying the rest, standerdizing the contect, crash and burn, etc, etc, etc.

      I'm not disagreeing with you that what they are doing isnt completly annoying. And people are greedy. Its obvious. But even if you go to biblical times, greed leads to downfalls. It just takes time. I try not to focus on what those big conglomerates do, and just do what I want to do. If that supports a part of them, then thats fine. They are doing something I like. If I support somethign more independant, then thats fine, I support what I like(I'm reffering mostly to music right now).

      Do we get cookie cutter TV shows that are boring. Yes. Do we not watch them because they are boring. I sure hope so. Will that lead to innovation. If not, well crash and burn baby.

      Not to miss your point entirely however, basically what you are saying is that greed causes complete collapse. Well yea. But collapse means innovation. And thats what we should look forward to.

      Guipo

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    7. Re:Another article by elefantstn · · Score: 1
      Greed is always ultimately destructive.


      Prove it.
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    8. Re:Another article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      why is it a bad thing for a company to make profit by any legal means?

      Our nation has reached a truly sad state when the only thing that limits good behavior and ethics is the law. Doesn't anyone have a mom anymore?

    9. Re:Another article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You used a +1 bonus for your pointless comment. Why don't you prove it's not true, if your so fricking smart.

    10. Re:Another article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually a common misunderstanding. If you actually take a look at a corporate charter and the laws regarding corporations you will see that the purpose of corporations is supposed to be to benefit the public. Yes ONE way to benefit the public is to produce an economic benefit. However, corporate profits should be weighed against the public benefit of the means of achieving those profits.

      There are a number of legal ways that corporations can make a profit while reducing the public benefit of their existence. Think about it.

    11. Re:Another article by LudditeMind · · Score: 1

      Try reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Granted it doesn't prove anything since it's a fictional story, but it makes a very good case for greed.

    12. Re:Another article by Guipo · · Score: 1

      hrm. i didnt know that. good to know. thanks.

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    13. Re:Another article by royalblue_tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess the view is that where there is competition, this is fine, and just the natural order of things. But they have entered into an agreement (by taking on the commitment of having the broadcast license) with the government to provide a service. The question is - are they providing it. They blatantly admit that they are focussed more on what revenue it provides, rather than the product they provide, so the question is

      "Is the absolute minimum that they provide in the way of actual content, sufficient to meet their obligations to provide a public service?"

      It's a deregulation thing. The government has a responsibility (demanded by the people, not mandated by the constitution) to ensure that a particular service is delivered. It allows the market to provide it, to ensure efficiency. It can't however, allow it to collapse (see california power). So, as the people clamouring for better service, we do have the right to say that the media companies, who enjoy the monopoly we granted them, will behave differently from a free market company.

    14. Re:Another article by Guipo · · Score: 1
      well providing it and how they provide it are kinda the case here. I really feel like I'm splitting hairs, and I dont really want to do that, because for the most part, everything you say is very reasonable.

      Now i dont know too much about radio brodcasting, so I dont know what the government has their hands in there. So I'll take your word for it. I guess what I think can be summed up like this.

      companies should be allowed to do things within the legal limits of our laws. The government shouldnt tell them what to do if they are within the laws. If the company is shunned by the public for any reason, that company should go out of business. If the companie has demand, and is making a profit, then it wont go out of business.

      The whole government allowed monopoly thing is fine. the whole power thing, yup. But the power thing happened because of mismanagement. Go talk to Grey Davis about that.

      Guipo

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    15. Re:Another article by jefu · · Score: 1
      "A lot" is two words. You wouldn't say "alittle", would you ?

      Allot is only one word. And I've been known to say "belittle". And "b-little" is almost "alittle".

    16. Re:Another article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enron

      'nuff said

  11. Be like Jayson Blair and make up your own news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    at the disgraced Not True Times. Another example of how the PC crowd is destroying themselves through diversity and affirmative action

  12. There are alternatives by Bendy+Chief · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Alternatives exist; thanks to the spread of independent music over the Internet (much of it free), you can make excellent compilations to listen to in the car on a very small budget. There's even radio alternatives, like satellite radio. Of course, no one really wants to pay for radio, but then again, perhaps that's why Clear Channel decided to destroy the stuff you get for free: to force the discerning music listener to pay.

    Maybe I'm wrong, given that there's no pay-to-listen alternative to MuchMusic (Canadian MTV) up here, and they still insist on showing the same Avril Lavigne and Nelly videos on a loop for 24 hours a day.

    1. Re:There are alternatives by Ian_Bailey · · Score: 1

      given that there's no pay-to-listen alternative to MuchMusic (Canadian MTV) up here

      This is without a doubt, false. First, there is a free alternative (MuchMoreMusic), although, being owned by the same company, it may or may not be what you're looking for.

      But on the new Digital Specialty Channels, (which cost extra) there are at least 5 different music channels: MTV Canada, MTV Canada 2, MuchLoud, MuchVibe, and EdgeTV. The ones without a 'Much' in their name are not owned by CHUM, and all offer different styles of programming.

      Now, I can't exactly vouch for the quality of these channels, but at least now you know they exist.

  13. Think yourselves lucky... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      Wait, I live there!

      Shit!

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    2. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by Nessak · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure what your link to google is supposed to mean, but I think it is about the fact the British government owns the BBC. Normally I would agree with you, but because everyone in the world knows that BCC is owned by the government, it gets a lot more scrutiny and criticism. The result? Much better reporting which is much less slanted then things like FoxNews.This is why many Americans turned to the BBC during the war to get better coverage. Many people wrongly assume that foxnews is not related to the government and therefor reports more honestly. Yet as we can all see, this is not the case at all. In fact Rupert Murdock is a friend of GWB and will not let his news network report negatively on the Bush admin. (He has been quoted as saying this.) It would not be possible for the BBC to say the same thing because of all the public outcry.

      Note, I'm not saying the BBC is great or unbiased. It would be better if the BBC was scrutinized without being owned by the government. But the BBC is still a much better place for news then the three major cable network of the US, which are not owned by the FEDs.

    3. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm not sure what your link to google is supposed to mean, but I think it is about the fact the British government owns the BBC.

      Wrong. Now please remove your idiotic commentary, and then kill yourself.

    4. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      I was actually meaning Silvio Berlusconi, who personally owns the top three TV channels in Italy, but yes, the BBC is something that we have to be careful with. It often seems to have a Labour government bias, but that's just because journalists tend towards the left, as that is the natural home for free speech beliefs. This tendency (and that's all it is) is often overridden by the proprietor's political leanings, though, so don't read too much into that last point.

    5. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      This is why many Americans turned to the BBC during the war to get better coverage.

      Meanwhile, HMS Ark Royal shut off the Beeb as a result of the pro-Iraq bias in its coverage.

      Closer to home, Fox News trounced CNN and MSNBC in the ratings. People are going to get their news from sources they trust, and people's faith in CNN to provide (dare I say it) fair and balanced coverage of the news is fading.

      In fact Rupert Murdock is a friend of GWB and will not let his news network report negatively on the Bush admin.

      I'd swear I've heard Bill O'Reilly (to name just one commentator) take the Bush administration to the woodshed on more than one occasion. Alan Colmes (to name another) has even less use for Bush. Rupert Murdoch also made a fairly hefty donation to Algore's 2000 campaign and to the DNC (including, IIRC, a hell of a deal on the Democrats' use of Staples Center for their convention that year).

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    6. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by st0rmcold · · Score: 1


      Just because it's worse somewhere else dosen't mean I'm gonna feel lucky about the way it is, that's exactly what they want you to think while they slip away your rights from under your nose, the rights that my ancestors have fought and died for.

      Oh look, in X country, this and that happens! Look at how lucky we are!

      That is a crock of shit! It has nothing to do with luck, alot of people have fought for it.

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    7. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by brauwerman · · Score: 1

      ... but our commericial media owns most of our President.

    8. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by cyberformer · · Score: 1
      The Labour government certainly doesn't think it's biased towards them! And opinion polls show that most British people think it's biased towards the Conservative party, not Labour. Of course, everyone with strong views thinks every non-basied media outlet is biased towards the other side.

      I think the BBC is actually pretty good. But if you're in search of unbiased coverage, watch out for:
      • Christianity. There's no separation of church and state in the UK, and the BBC is officially part of the Anglican religious apparatus. It broadcasts a Church of England service every day, for example, and at prime time on Sunday. Having said that, it does now include some religious programming aimed at other faiths, and discussion of religious issues from an atheist perspective.

      • Deference towards the British monarchy and, inexplicably, Peter Mandelson (a former minister and close friend of Blair).

      • Caution when dealing with neo-Nazis and fascists. BBC interviewers are (rightly) savage when dealing with regular politicians, but they put on the kid gloves when dealing with the BNP and NF.

      • Advertisments for itself, often disguised as news (eg. an "investigative" report into the Teletubby phenomenon). Not as bad as commercial broadcasters, of course, but entirely free of commercialism either.

      • An almost religious love for cricket in the sports department. They often cancel Star Trek or Buffy if a cricket match over-runs, and their news and classical music radio stations frequently abandon all regular programming to cover the latest game. This is much worse than the similar habit that some US network affiliates have with baseball or American football, because the BBC covers the whole country and each cricket game can last for a week!


    9. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      It's a bit misleading to say that the U.K. government runs the BBC.

      The BBC is a not-for-profit trust corporation set up and funded by the U.K. government to run broadcasting stations (radio and TV) for the benifit of the British people. Since the BBC is set up this way, they have quite a bit of leeway when reporting the news. Especially news concerning the government. This is the main reason the BBC is thought to be a reliable, independant news source and not a government mouthpiece.

      So, in one sense, the U.K. government does not control the BBC in that they cannot simply coopt the programming to support their propaganda. On the other hand, they can yank funding or shut the BBC down if they become too unmanageable.

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    10. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Please, who the fuck trusts Fox News, honestly? You? I don't know about you, but I watch Fox because they make me feel good. On Fox, my president is competent and rarely high on coke, any problems with international diplomacy can be solved by pouring $50 bottles of wine into the street, and everyone will get their jobs back as soon as we pass a few tax cuts. On MSNBC, our children are fucking nutcases, the government of Texas is fleeing across state lines, and Iraq is getting taken over by Iran's Pat Robertson. Who the hell wants to see that shit?

      Even the most facist of MSNBC's facist wankers make things look bad. Savage keeps trying to convince me that the ACLU is sending burly black men to have anal sex with me for some reason, and he doesn't even give me an upside! I mean, if I think about it, I can think of some shit for them to help me move while they're here, but he should figure these things out for me, like O'Reilly does. For that matter, Bill only tries to convince me that Penthouse Pets are coming to have anal sex with me instead, so right there I know who I'd rather watch.

      Bill's last show dissapointed me, though. I liked how he blamed NYC's budget problems on bad budgeting instead of all that scary terrorism shit, and he did give me an out by telling me Bloomberg just has to be more like Bush (the model of fiscal discipline), but I really would've like another good boycott to clinch my cheery worldview until the weekend. I tried not buying Oreos, but it doesn't really work unless he asks me to do it (he's so dreamy).

    11. Re:Think yourselves lucky... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      Caution when dealing with neo-Nazis and fascists. BBC interviewers are (rightly) savage when dealing with regular politicians, but they put on the kid gloves when dealing with the BNP and NF.
      I think what's happening here is that many people question the NF and BNP's very right to exist, and criticise the BBC for not taking the same stance. You do see robust criticism of the BNP for being no good at their job (local councillors not turning up to any meetings), but that doesn't go far enough for many. They would prefer to see the BBC undermine the party's very existence, which would be anti-democratic in my opinion. The old 'I disagree with what you say, but blah blah blah' stance.
  14. It's about media control by scrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the past few decades or so the U.S. Government has learned many lessons about media coverage and international dealings. The whole dynamic has changed radically from the times of journalism in say Vietnam vs the "inbedded" reporters of this recent action. General Franks and Colin Powell, whos son is pushing he deal, "Cut their teeth" commanding forces in vietnam and they relaize that tight media control is the answer to help the people accept the actions of the government.

    This plan is another step in narrowing and refining the information that the public sees. With top political officers havving ties to large corporations, it's hard to tell the lines in which corporate money, goverment money are drawn.

    Be afraid.

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    1. Re:It's about media control by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Troll
      Wait...putting reporters in combat units where they can show pictures of dead Iraqis and document U.S. atrocities is a BAD thing?

      Or else the reporters could simply work for big leftist newspapers. That way, they can just invent stories. They might get caught, but if their skin is the right color it'll just be brushed aside.

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    2. Re:It's about media control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vs the "inbedded" reporters

      Or even embedded reporters...

    3. Re:It's about media control by moehoward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you read both the Economist and Newsweek, let's say, I think you get a pretty good picture of what's going on for the big stories on a weekly basis.

      Cable news is good for breaking stuff and ongoing stories. Always colored, but they won't not cover a breaking story.

      Newspapers are good for local stories. I try to read a daily and weekly local paper. Lousy for big stories because they always seem to color a story a certain way and don't provide enough background, motivations, or agendas.

      So what's missing from that mix? I'd say that you can keep up on facts and what happened somewhere, but you can't get a really good political picture of what's going on. What are the big bill's coming up for debate in local/state/federal gov't? What are the real issues? Who's on what side and why? This is not what I necessarily miss, but it is severely missing from what the entire public sees on a day to day basis. This is, I think, what we all want foisted upon us. We want the media to provide us with a forum for real public debate by presenting as many of these sorts of facts as possible. We want the pretty, marketing, happy face take off of politics and the so-called debate that we now see through the media's eyes.

      No matter how much media I inhale, I still get the distinct feeling that all of our government takes place in secret behind closed doors, and we only see what they want us to see. Not that there is some vast conspiracy, but it is all cloaked in marketing, slogans, and very personal agendas.

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    4. Re:It's about media control by fizban · · Score: 1, Troll

      Did you see any dead Iraqis or U.S. atrocities on any of the news outlets that had reporters in combat units?

      "In bedded" reporters... Exactly.

      Those "big leftist newspapers" are more independent than the rest of the state-run media in this country.

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    5. Re:It's about media control by Malcontent · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The reporters were not allowed to show anything that might make the US military look bad.

      Instead they only showed happy iraquis who were waving american flags. Of course the american public was too stupid to ask where the iraqis got those american flags in the first place.

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    6. Re:It's about media control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, i think he meant "inbedded." see, he might not have spelled "embedded" right, but he more effectively conveyed that the reporters were indeed "in bed" with the military.

    7. Re:It's about media control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point of view might be interesting if it had any basis in fact at all. Michael Powell is the head of the FCC but he is not "pushing" the deal. It is the networks that want to see this deal go through. And if you think that Embedded reporters are an indication of media control by the government then you are totally oblvious to what went on in previous wars. Go and watch some old newsreels to see what control really means.

      Nice bit of trolling, though.

    8. Re:It's about media control by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Wait...putting reporters in combat units where they can show pictures of dead Iraqis and document U.S. atrocities is a BAD thing?

      Except i really didn't see any of that going on...

    9. Re:It's about media control by PateraSilk · · Score: 1

      That way, they can just invent stories.

      And those paragons of journalistic integrity at Fox News can continue their tradition of reporting the stone cold truth, right? You never hear of them publishing a retraction or apology--which means, of course, that they've never been wrong.

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    10. Re:It's about media control by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Who the hell brought up Fox News? Are they inventing stories and refusing to discipline reporters who are the right color?

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    11. Re:It's about media control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then the next week CNN showed the Iragis protesting Americain stating there. They even showed a Muslim demonstration. What is your point?

    12. Re:It's about media control by Bearpaw · · Score: 0, Troll
      Or else the reporters could simply work for big leftist newspapers.

      They could, but maybe they have personal reasons for wanting to stay in the US.

    13. Re:It's about media control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That it took a week for the non-embeded reporters to set up?

  15. NPR by Schezar · · Score: 1

    That's why I thank the gods for NPR. My CD player has been broken for a few weeks, and I'll die before I'll listen to Top 40.

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    1. Re:NPR by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we have jazz on one of our NPR. It's annoying. We have another NPR station but I never listen to it. It probably has jazz, too. When they're playing music, my radio is usually off, since all the other talk radio is run by seriously demented crazy folk.

    2. Re:NPR by snatchitup · · Score: 1

      Troll? Give me a break, I was serious. This is how it is in the wash metro area. Obviously, I was modded down like this by the leftist leanins of slashdot.

  16. Homogeneity is a real problem in U.S. media by HidingMyName · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All sources of news and culture have their biases. Unfortunately, consolidation means that diversity decreases over time. This is why we don't hear about major international events, and most of our news sources look the same. Thus, even if we have "freedom of the press", the de facto freedom is constrained by commercial interests. The recording industry is getting so cozy with the radio stations that there is little variation in content there as well. I hope that we can fix this, however the economy of scale which drives this process may be very hard to overcome.

    1. Re:Homogeneity is a real problem in U.S. media by jchernia · · Score: 1

      It may not be radio, but consider this: in the 1950's there was only CBS, ABC, and NBC. Our news looked the same. With cable TV there are many more news sources, but it can be argued that our news sources still look the same. My point is that diversity of opinion is not directly linked with number of players.

      While there is less and less variation of content on radio, I think you misunderstand the problem. A post on Slashdot a while back said it best about advertising supported media "you're not the customer, you're the product". If you want to listen to the music you like in the car, expect to pay for it, either by buying satellite radio or via your own CDs. The content homogenization problem is structural to ad supported content, and I don't think it can be fixed.

      That said, I agree with the guy at the end of the ClearChannel article, these are the public's airwaves. Either ClearChannel should have to bid on a lease for them at auction (like cellphone airwaves) or they should be put to better public use. Getting a public resource for free and being able to use it for private profit is a perversion of capitalism.

    2. Re:Homogeneity is a real problem in U.S. media by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      " It may not be radio, but consider this: in the 1950's there was only CBS, ABC, and NBC. Our news looked the same. With cable TV there are many more news sources, but it can be argued that our news sources still look the same. My point is that diversity of opinion is not directly linked with number of players. "

      But the number of players has not increased significantly with cable television. CNBC? MSNBC? Both owned by GE which owns NBC. Yes, CNN came along, and Fox, but primarily those extra cable channels are still controlled by the same few media giants. Same corporate message fed out with different spoons to the consumer.

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  17. Dissolve Clearchannel by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Clearchannel has singlehandedly destroyed radio in the US. Five years ago, I had quite a nice variety of stations to pick from, with all twelve of my presets going to something that, depending on my mood, I would enjoy.

    Now, I have two stations I listen to... A local college station, and NPR. And I don't even like NPR, but angry lesbians amuse me more than the same top-10 pop songs played over and over.


    Clearchannel, as an "experiment" in media conglomeration, should end. Revoke its corporate charter, dissolve it, return control and ownership to each individual station. And more importantly, we need to IMMEDIATELY stop further Borg-like activity on the part of media megacorps.


    I want decent independant radio back.

    1. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by TrollBridge · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Clearchannel, as an "experiment" in media conglomeration, should end. Revoke its corporate charter, dissolve it, return control and ownership to each individual station."

      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it. If they break the law, then fine, go after them then. But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

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    2. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by pHDNgell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it. If they break the law, then fine, go after them then. But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

      Because we liked the radio more when it was illegal for one company to own all of the stations, perhaps?

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    3. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1
      But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

      If they have the money?

    4. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by b-baggins · · Score: 1

      Come on, we all know the majority of slash-dotters are elitist snots, which is the prime requisite for being a good little socialist or fascist.

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    5. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tune into the BBC. I can't promise you there won't be any angry lesbians (Germaine Greer).

    6. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by jefeweiss · · Score: 1
      If he can get a 50% vote in Congress then he has every right to do it. It probably wouldn't even take that much if he can get the FCC to agree with him. Or the Attorney General of the United States. Or maybe the SEC, or perhaps even the Board of Directors. There isn't anything sacrosanct about a corporation. It's just a piece of paper that says that such and such a name, represented by such and such individuals, has a right to do business. This piece of paper is given to them by a state government, and that government has a perfect legal right to take it away.

      It might even create jobs, if the station was bought by local interests, as Clear channel beams in a lot of thier programming by satellite, and the local group would have to replace them with real people.

      I'm not saying that I think that just dissolving Clear Channel is the right thing to do, I was just kind of amused at your attitude that a corporation was sacred. If Clear Channel was dissolved and it's assets were sold off, it would be very similar to what sometimes happens in bankruptcy.

    7. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but angry lesbians amuse me more than the same top-10 pop songs played over and over.

      mmmmmmmm ... lesbians .....

    8. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      There is a document that you need to read called the Constitution of the United States. Specifically, direct your attention to article one. That's the part establishing the legislature and empowering it to make laws.

      Through the use of these laws, a person's (or corporation's) livelyhood may be destroyed.

      Since the use of the radio spectrum is governed by laws it would be a simple and legal matter to change the laws to make entities such as Clear Channel illegal.

    9. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 1

      "I want decent independant radio back."

      Step 1: Bring back the Class D radio licenses damnit! At $100,000/license minimum the barrier to entry into radio is WAY too high. No wonder myself and most people I know switched to internet stations. Then they started trying to kill them. They are PUBLIC airwaves, right?

    10. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by jslag · · Score: 1

      But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

      Since day one? (stealing native american's land)

      Since the war of northern aggression? (making the south's slave-based economy illegal)

      Since the beginning of the labor movement? (labor activists and organizers fired)

      Since industry moved all the good manufacturing jobs abroad?

    11. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by rogerz · · Score: 1

      I and many others have a view of the constitution which sees it as a device to limit the power of the government. In this view, while the legislature is solely empowered to make law, this power is strictly limited by enumerating a list of areas in which laws can be made. Since nowhere in the constitution is there an enumerated power to "dissolve entities which the congress dislikes", then changing the laws in such a manner would be unconstitutional.

      The constituion goes further and even explicitly mentions the rights of the people to freely associate (e.g. to form corporations) and to use their own resources to speak freely (e.g. to broadcast any information or music they wish). These rights are clear bright lines across which the powers delegated to the government must not trespass. So, on many grounds, the constitution does not grant a moral basis for the actions you seem to endorse.

      Now, can today's U.S. government pass such laws? Is it possible for congress to muster a 51% majority to pass a bill to dissolve Clear Channel, or any other company? Of course. But, why is that relevant?

      It is also possible for such a majority to be gathered in support of a bill that would not allow Jews to work in the construction industry. If we were a democracy, then there would be no institutional basis for rejecting such laws, just as there was no basis for the Germans to reject the policies of the democratically-elected Nazi party during the 1930's.

      However, since we are a constitutional republic, and since the constitution - in my view - is the document which strictly limits the power of the government to violate the rights of individuals, then there is no moral or legal basis for the government to act as you suggest.

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    12. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by invenustus · · Score: 1

      But if the company doing the consolidating weren't providing content that met the listener demand more than anyone else, that consolidation wouldn't work, would it? They'd make more profit selling the stations to companies that WOULD meet the demands.

      If there's a demand for certain content, I don't see why ClearChannel shouldn't be allowed to supply it - even if it's not exactly to my tastes. (Frankly, ClearChannel owns certain stations elsewhere in the country that I WISH they'd clone where I live.)

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    13. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by invenustus · · Score: 1

      At $100,000/license minimum the barrier to entry into radio is WAY too high.

      And yet people in government insist that the problem is NOT ENOUGH government control over the airwaves.

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    14. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it.

      As a citizen, every right. The corporation is chartered by the government as an agency of the citizenry, uses airwaves that belong in joint ownership to the citizenry, and the radio stations are granted the right to use these airwaves only to the extent that the citizenry benefits (see FCC regs, if you don't believe me). Corporations do not emerge from some tabula rasa of nature and, to the extent that they are governmentally created entities, we, as the final arbiters of our government, have (and the original poster in question has) EVERY right to demand that they acquit themselves with some amount of decorum and in the best interest not only of their shareholders, but also in the best interests of the public. Or, if you'd like, we can simply abolish all limited liability financial structures, if that would make you happier.

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    15. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do not say "the war of northern aggression" It's the bloody Civil War!

    16. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1
      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it.

      Corporations are artificial creations that exist at the whim of the state (and therefore the people).

      (And heck, as you say, it's a free society. I'm free to say that all sort of things and people should be destroyed. It damn well is my right to say such things. The real trick is getting other people to agree and help. Feel free to say that he's wrong, but challenging his right to say it is an insult to the very free society you seem to like.)

      But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

      Yeah, that would be like making the sale of alcohol illegal. Or sale of marijuana. Or sale of sex. Or sale of porn. Or making junk faxes. Or making telemarketting calls at 1 in the morning.

      Most countries, even "free" ones, have alot of laws restricting potential livelihoods (and in many cases destroyed existing industries when those laws took effect). I'm not saying that this is right, just that it has happened and will likely continue to happen.

    17. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by pla · · Score: 1

      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it

      Individially, none. With a large enough group of people thinking similarly? We have EVERY right to demand the revocation of a corporate charter.

      The idea of "incorporation" exists as a convenient legal fiction for the sake of allowing the government OF THE PEOPLE to deal with a company.

      If that company has abused that legal fiction, not only not contributing to "the people" but actually depriving them of something they already had (in this case, variety in radio broadcasting), we not only have a right, but an obligation to terminate that company's existance.

      Or, to look at it another way, revocation of a corporate charter means essentially applying the death penalty to a company. Clearchannel "killed" radio, so should itself receive the death penalty as a punishment.


      But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it?

      Ever heard of payola? Y'know, that system of semi-legal extortion by which radio stations prevents artists without decently large budgets from getting radio play, thus effectively destroying their livelyhood because they don't agree to get down on their knees for the company?

      How about Unions and/or guilds, whereby totally compentent tradesmen can find themselves unable to ply their trade because they didn't go through the "right" system?

      Ever heard of Iraq, where we recently destroyed the livelyhood of the semi-democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation because we didn't agree with his politics?

      I could go on, but I think you get the point. Plenty of examples of what you point out exist, just looking at reasonably recent US history.


      And what right do YOU have

      The first amendment. Perhaps currently unpopular, but read it some time.

    18. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by TrollBridge · · Score: 1
      "Feel free to say that he's wrong, but challenging his right to say it is an insult to the very free society you seem to like."

      I never once said he didn't have the right to say anything. I simply disagreed with his idea that the public should be allowed to destroy/outlaw everything they don't like.

      "Yeah, that would be like making the sale of alcohol illegal. Or sale of marijuana. Or sale of sex. Or sale of porn. Or making junk faxes. Or making telemarketting calls at 1 in the morning."

      Sales and marketing, which you seem to have confused here, are two completely different things. As a libertarian, I don't think that selling such things as alcohol, drugs, or sex should be illegal, as it only (potentially) hurts the buyer.

      Now marketing, on the other hand, is a completely different issue. Junk faxes and 1AM phone calls should be illegal because they are intrusive (ie. cannot be avoided). TV, radio, or magazine ads aren't illegal because they can be avoided.

      I believe that making sure that businesses don't intrude on the rights of consumers is a valid role of government. In no way is ClearChannel's behavior intrusive, or violating anyone's rights in any way.

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    19. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by TrollBridge · · Score: 1
      "Clearchannel "killed" radio, so should itself receive the death penalty as a punishment."

      That's your assessment of the situation, however the antitrust laws in this country apparently don't see it that way.

      "Ever heard of payola? Y'know, that system of semi-legal extortion by which radio stations prevents artists without decently large budgets from getting radio play, thus effectively destroying their livelyhood because they don't agree to get down on their knees for the company?"

      Hardly an accurate comparison. You say that as if ClearChannel is out blackballing bands that don't submit to their demands, and we both know that's not even close.

      "How about Unions and/or guilds, whereby totally compentent tradesmen can find themselves unable to ply their trade because they didn't go through the "right" system?"

      That's why I don't like unions, so I think we'll agree there.

      "Ever heard of Iraq, where we recently destroyed the livelyhood of the semi-democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation because we didn't agree with his politics?"

      A bit trollish, but I'll bite. Semi- democratically elected? Please take your head out of the sand. Or are you comparing ClearChannel with a man who has killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens?

      "The first amendment. Perhaps currently unpopular, but read it some time."

      Way to only quote half of what I said. I have no problem with you SAYING anything, and I never suggested otherwise. You as an individual don't, however, have the right to deprive anyone of their livelihood just because you morally disagree with it. Leave that up to the market (boycott).

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    20. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1
      I never once said he didn't have the right to say anything.
      It may not have been your intention, but it's what you wrote:
      And what right do YOU have to say that a corporate entity (or any other entity for that matter) should be destroyed simply because you don't like it.

      As to the appropriateness of a society (through its government) restricting behavior that doesn't harm citizens, on whether or not ClearChannel is potentially causing harm, that's a much more complex issue and one I can see the merits of both sides on.

    21. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I stand corrected. I guess that's what happens when you want to get a point out too quickly.

      "As to the appropriateness of a society (through its government) restricting behavior that doesn't harm citizens"

      And that's exactly what the issue here is. What amazes me is how frequently people here will argue contradicting points like "legislative intrusion is bad, because I should be allowed to do what I want as long as I don't hurt anyone, but legislative intrusion is good, because ClearChannel shouldn't do what they want, even though they're not hurting anyone."

    22. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by fugu13 · · Score: 1

      This is one argument from the efficiency of market economics that's false. It's one of the few ways in which free market economies produce undesirable results. Essentially, what matters isn't just the quality of product (that is, just the demand for the product), but the ease of producing the product (think intersection of supply and demand curves). A product that is in high demand, but expensive to produce, will not be produced much compared to a product that is in less demand, but is much cheaper to produce. In an unlimited market this effect doesn't matter so much, because it's still possible to find those desirable but expensive to produce products, though the market is mostly filled by the slightly less desirable much easier to produce products. That there is any demand for a product (at a price greater than the cost to produce it) will cause there to be a supply. However, radio is not an unlimited market. Radio is a very limited market (for multiple products), and the products that win out are the somewhat desirable, easy to produce ones (the clear channel stations). The radio waves are a wonderful example of a public resource that must be managed to some extent for the public good to be maximized (market economics won't create the worst situation, but it won't maximize public good). Now, this is hardly the be-all end-all argument that can be made, and there is in particular a very good argument that can be made saying that the social good from used resources is maximized across markets in a market economy. I disagree with this argument, because I think lack of a perfect conversion between resources (or any conversion, in the case of radio frequencies) means that the limiting factor for market growth is the available public resource (in this case radio frequencies), not the effects of the market economy, but this is far from proven.

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    23. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by dogfart · · Score: 1
      But since when, in a free society, are people allowed to destroy someone's livelihood simply because they don't agree with it? Only the evil socialist system guarentees people lifetime employment.

      But I thought this was the whole point of a free society - nobody guarentees you a living, you have to earn a living by getting enough people to agree with you.

      People's livelihoods are constantly destroyed. Many times, it is just a single person that is responsible (they are called "bosses"). That's just the breaks.

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    24. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      You make an important mistake in presuming that corporations have a list of unalienable rights. Are you aware the corporations also (gasp!) can't vote? Well, not officially anyway, although they currently hold more voting power than the people anyway...

      So who are we to say that a corporate entity should be destroyed? We're the *people*. You know, the ones who are supposed to be making the laws...

      We've always been able to "destroy someone's livelyhood because we don't agree with it". That's why laws exist at all. Of course the goal isn't "destroying someone's livelihood" as you slant it, but to promote *everyone*'s livelihood. If that comes at the cost of a few monopoly-loving capitalists, then thank god.

  18. Hmm by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why are they losing audiences to cable channels?

    Can it be because the programming they offer flat out sucks?

    Can it be that people aren't as stupid as they've assumed since the 50s?

    That they dont want to see another sitcom about a family with a precocious little kid that runs the house, or 5 20-something hipsters drinking coffee and making dumb wisecracks?

    Can it be that they've reached the puking threshhold with this reality TV crap? That people dont care which of the 40 masked guys that some whore chooses?

    Can it be that the old standbys of Leno and Letterman kissing hollywood ass is frankly BORING?

    I mean there's a reason I'd rather watch some longwinded documentary about the treasures of King Razamatooten from the 3rd dynasty; as dry and uninteresting as it is, it's better than anything NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and the DUBBYA-BEE have to offer.

    Perhaps just getting "known star" to do a sitcom for 2 million an episode doesn't guarantee ratings anymore.

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    1. Re:Hmm by TheSync · · Score: 1
      Broadcast is losing to the cable channels because they do a better job at providing "individualized" content to smaller niches, which pulls viewers off broadcast. Most people wouldn't watch "Discovery Channel," but I would. Top rated Discovery shows pull 2-4 million households. Add enough (10 or so) little cable networks pulling 2-4 million at a time and your 100-200 million former broadcast numbers start to go down by about 20-40 million.

      Broadcast network demographics show they reach the oldest audiences. That is their market niche, and it is a big one. Most other market niches are too small for broadcast. Someone talked about Friends...the goal of the broadcast networks seems to be to put some young pretty people in front of the camera for old people who are not interested in paying for cable or getting on the roof and installing DBS satellite. And yes, Friends stills pulls in ratings:

      Nielsen Media Research Top 20 Week of April 27-May 4, 2003
      Rank/Program Name/Network/Households
      1/CSI/CBS/15,627,000
      2/E .R./NBC/14,019,000
      3/FRIENDS/NBC/13,615,000
      4/AM ER IDOL TUES/FOX/13,179,000

      Anyway, I personally feel like I am perfectly served by television (with cable!). I feel sadly at a loss on the FM dial, but recognize that the majority of listeners are probably happy with it. I'm more into XM...
    2. Re:Hmm by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      " Why are they losing audiences to cable channels?...I mean there's a reason I'd rather watch some longwinded documentary about the treasures of King Razamatooten from the 3rd dynasty; as dry and uninteresting as it is, it's better than anything NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and the DUBBYA-BEE have to offer."

      Sorry to tell you, but when you watch that doc about Razamatooten, you are sipping from the same GE spigot that also spews into NBC.

      The FCC is arguing that there is less need for control over media consolidation because of the greater number of choices offered by cable. What that argument ignores is that cable is basically populated by different variations of the same corporate line. The same big media companies provide all those 'diverse' channels.

      So they lost you with their NBC advertising-delivery-method, that's fine. They still got you with their History Channel advertising-delivery-method. No matter to them, you're still consuming from mother GE.

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    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell i'll even put up with R. Lee for a half hour because at least he is entertaining.. and not afraid to be politically incorrect!

      It used to be good music beat bad tv.... now its more like shoddy music beats piss-poor tv.... I havent used my radio in the car in long enough that I cannot find the faceplate.... and I do not have a FM tuner on my stereo... and if you go to the shopping mall, you'll probably see "ClearChannel" logos on the freaking mall maps!

      Hope they don't merge with M$.

  19. I should care more than I do, but... by swordgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...the media companies are working hard at making themselves irrelevant.

    News is an important issue, and I get my news from multiple unrelated companies, ideally from different countries. As for entertainment on commercial TV and radio, there ain't none!!!

    "Costs are going up, audience is going down, competition is increasing"

    Competition increasing is a good thing, and the proposed bills seem to be destroying that aspect. As for the high costs/low audience problem, do you think that spending ONE MILLION DOLLARS PER LEAD CAST MEMBER PER EPISODE on a show as tired and utterly rehashed-to-death as "Friends" might have something to do with that?

    Maybe if the media companies started paying their stars less money per weekly episode than most people gross in a decade their costs would go down. Maybe if they spent a TINY amount of money on writers with creative and new ideas, their audience would go up.

    But no, it's easier to make money through legislation and monopolies than to actually do your job.

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    1. Re:I should care more than I do, but... by awol · · Score: 1

      The schism is coming. Once the consumers of advertising wake up to the scam, the ass is going to fall out of that market and $1M per episode just ain't gonna happen. In the mean time, I will watch what's on until it bores me and then I'll surf the net or download something from Gutenberg and read that.

      Even further, I await the first pop-prog with the bollocks to just swap out a lead actor on a regular arbitrary basis. Indeed to actually script the thing so that there is no "lead" person on whom the identity of the show is formed. Even if the character remains the actor just changes. What do I care, I have never "got wet" (so to speak) over the specific lumps and lines of a given actor, and I am sure that those who do would just as happily do it over one leggy blonde/tall, dark and handsome as another.

      I have absolutely no problem with media consolidation, my _only_ proviso is that it must be trivial to know who owns what. And the information must be available from the newspaper, magazine, radio station TV station I am watching. If it really gets that crap that noone really cares then the market is in the right place for competition and that is where the barriers to entry come in. These barriers wrt to the distribution of content are only getting lower. So "rock on" CC, blandify whatever you like, I await the second coming of the pirates.

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    2. Re:I should care more than I do, but... by hawkestein · · Score: 1

      Even further, I await the first pop-prog with the bollocks to just swap out a lead actor on a regular arbitrary basis.

      Saturday Night Live isn't popular enough for you?

      I think SNL is currently the funniest that it's been in a long time (though this seems to run contrary to popular opinion). Weekend Update now almost reaches Daily Show and Onion-like levels of satirical hilarity.

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    3. Re:I should care more than I do, but... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Well I can answer that from my own point of view at least.

      Saturday Night Live these days is tired, boring, repetitive, stale, and forced. I watch bits of it randomly when it's on after a movie I chose is over, but I haven't seen anything worth staying up for an extra five minutes over.

      Maybe I'm missing something--maybe I'm too old for the 'modern equivalent of classic SNL,' but what is on the show that hasn't been done to death already? I seem to remember Weekend Update (with Dennis Miller) from the 1980s, and sure enough--it started in 1985. That's nearly TWO DECADES ago! Come on folks, write something else!

      It's worth looking at the calibre of actors that SNL turned out over the years. At the start, you had Belushi, Ackroyd, Chase, and Martin. Jump forward a few decades, and we have Chris Rock (barely passable) and...David Spade?!!!

      SNL is, as far as I can tell, EXACTLY symptomatic of the decline of commercial entertainment.

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    4. Re:I should care more than I do, but... by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Weekend Update is done to death? Out of everything wrong with SNL you pick Weekend Update? It's making fun of current events, how the hell does it get done to death? Shit, it's a vague concept, it's not even a sketch. Has having a guest host been done to death too?

  20. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by moehoward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I suggest that most slashdot types are libertarian in their political thought. Not Libertarian(tm), but libertarian in thought.

    At least that's what I seem to get from reading at +1 or -1.

    It seems hip to call yourself liberal, but then go home and secretly watch Fox News.

    The vast majority of Americans (sorry foreigners) have very mixed political views, and fewer and fewer can strongly identify with one of the two major parties.

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  21. Do Something by CrookedFinger · · Score: 5, Informative

    MoveOn has a page where you can send a letter to your members of Congress and add your name to a petition to stop the June 2nd decision.

    1. Re:Do Something by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2
      MoveOn has a page [moveon.org] where you can send a letter to your members of Congress and add your name to a petition to stop the June 2nd decision.

      No doubt. Keep in mind that picking up the phone is a much more effective way to communicate to your elected representatives. Congrespeople get hundreds to thousands of emails and electronic petitions on a wide variety of subjects. Picking up the phone requires a little more effort. Less people do it so they give more weight to the people that bother. Writing an actual letter (gasp!) is even more effective - so few people bother these days that it really stands out when they're trying to figure out what their constituents want. And yes, if enough people do bother to call or write they do begin to give a damn about what their constituents want.

      A couple letter / phone tips: keep it short and sweet. Stick to one issue per communication. Tell them your name & where you live (living in their district adds weight to your opinion). If you voted for them, tell them.

  22. Credit where due. by grub · · Score: 1


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  23. How...? by Schezar · · Score: 1

    How could a radio boycott actually work? It doesn't cost them anything for you to listen, and they have no way of knowing of you're listening or not.

    The ratings are determined by a system that ignores most of the radio-listening population, and only exists so that advertisers will think that they're getting their money's worth. The advertiser, the only person in the world who cares if you're listening, has no way of knowing if you do so.

    Just thinking, that's all..

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    1. Re:How...? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Um, i think radio stations have a handle on if you're listening or not. Otherwise, no station would ever change from failing format.

      While i'm not exactly sure how they figure it out, i did once get a phone call that asked which stations i listened to, and if i liked certain clips from songs.

    2. Re:How...? by Wah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While i'm not exactly sure how they figure it out, i did once get a phone call that asked which stations i listened to, and if i liked certain clips from songs.

      The company you are looking for is called Arbitron. Most of the ratings information is compiled during 'books' which are roughly equivalent to 'sweeps' for television. Most of the information is compiled from written diaries where a listener is expected to write down each 15 minutes of radio they listen to. Last I heard (couple of years ago) they were working with a technology called 'People Meters' (IIRC), which would automate the process a bit more.

      BTW, I learned this while working the databases of a company that attempted to exploit Arbitron's selection criteria (we roughly reverse engineered it) and marketing directly to the people most likely to have a diary. Ya know, as a simple reminder of what to write in the diaries.

      It was a fairly successful business, right up until Clear Channel bought most of our clients and used their own marketing company to do what we did, leading to about a 30% reduction in staff at my employer. Two years after I was laid off the company I worked for crumbled and was sold.

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  24. A way to fight back? by Otis2222222 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    However, Goodmon said, if he wants to preempt Fox programming to carry, say, a basketball game between two local college teams, he gets one "strike" from the network. Two more strikes -- preemptions not based on community standards -- and he could lose his Fox affiliation.
    Sounds to me like the stations could fight back by blocking network programming, getting three strikes, and then they're free!! All you would need to do is get all of them to agree to it and it might work. See, I see this as an advantage.
    1. Re:A way to fight back? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      getting three strikes, and then they're free!! All you would need to do is get all of them to agree to it and it might work. See, I see this as an advantage.

      and it is as networks like UPN are screaming for stations to carry them. If the station owners had any balls at all they would stop the network strong-arm tactics my having a mass drop of the fox network.

      I find that I watch Fox less and less.... except for the Simpsons they dont have anything I want to watch on prime time. UPN on the otherhand does have some things coming along.. and there are alot of good shows in syndication that any station can pick up.

      It depends on your station if you are the one low power fox station in a market of 5 then you can be hosed.... if you are one of 3 in a market, changing will not drop your viewership.

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  25. More UK sightings.. by henele · · Score: 1

    I might be over-dramatising it a little, but it is like I blinked, then when I opened my eyes they are *everywhere*. I've been travelling around the UK recenetly and everywhere I go there have been ClearChannel billboards - and with the new communications bill on it's way I am somewhat concerned about where they are going next...

  26. Petition to the FCC by evenprime · · Score: 4, Informative

    as I have pointed out in the past There's a petition to the FCC about this issue that is worth reading. It has been signed by many prominent musicians, and they are looking for as many listeners as possible to listen.

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  27. Mod parent up? =P (there's actually text here) by Schezar · · Score: 1

    I hate people who post "MOD PARENT UP," but, for the first time, I -really- wish I had mod points right at this moment.

    Well said.

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  28. And you wonder why radio sucks so much these days by bogie · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Lowry Mays is the Big Daddy of radio. The founder and CEO of Clear Channel, Mays oversees 1,233 radio stations with some 100 million listeners across all 50 states, and runs a company with $8 billion in revenues and a $23 billion market cap. But ask Mays about what he does for a living and you won't hear much about musicians or how to bring up ratings or who's the best DJ. Those things don't interest him much. Truth is, Mays isn't that passionate about what goes out over the airwaves. As long as his broadcasts sell ads, he's happy. "If anyone said we were in the radio business, it wouldn't be someone from our company," says Mays, 67. "We're not in the business of providing news and information. We're not in the business of providing well-researched music. We're simply in the business of selling our customers products.""

    On a different topic but related to Corporate consolidation, I think we should just do away with our current government and let the country be run by mega coporations. You see the way it would work is whoever paid the most money gets the most power and favor with government. So if you wanted to expand your company so that it owned every media outlet in a particular area you could just dump money until your able to do what you want. You'd be able to set up monopolies in whatever industry you wanted, be it Cable, Telecom, or hell even the software industry if you wanted. The "President" and "Vice President" really wouldn't be politicians, they would businessmen with strong ties to big corporations and they would give favor to their former companies once they got in power. You konw sort of like a bonus for "making it to the top".

    I know my ideas are little crazy, but maybe its worth a shot.

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  29. How ratings are determined: by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    They can't count how many radios are tuned in, you're absolutely right. The boycott would work by making them look less appealing to advertisers.

    Having a bumper sticker/T-Shirt with the name of your favorite radio station is one way to make the station look valuable. If people who are prospective advertisers to a radio station happen accross people displaying a radion stations logo during their daily routine it shows that station as a good place to spend their advertising dollars because the person who's wearing that shirt and many more will hear their ad.

    Calling in to be the 13th or whatever caller. If you help in making every line to the radio station busy in record time it proves you were listening to the radio. Giving away $1,000 is a good way to get people to listen for the word go, and right before the word go is given is an excelent time to play an ad.

    Music is just a good way to get people to stick around long enough to listen to the ads and controlling what the target audiance is. The rest is to make money.

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    1. Re:How ratings are determined: by Schezar · · Score: 1

      Heh.. I never thought about the call-in promotions that way. I hope you get modded up.

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  30. wait... by kevin+lyda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    where are all the libertarians crying out in joy? isn't this great - capitalism in action! more and more of those pesky government regulations being whisked out of the way!

    and now you guys all have your free-market radio stations where you - yes, i mean YOU! - can make choices about which radio station will be #1! yes-siree-bob, all those companies are entirely dependant on your happiness with their programming decisions.

    isn't it just GREAT!

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    1. Re:wait... by NetDanzr · · Score: 1
      That's simple. Even with the deregulation, the government is still mandating the number of available radio frequencies in a particular area, as well as the strength of signals. As a result, due to this governmental regulation, the market is not really free; the only thing that changes is a shift in ownership. As a self-proclaimed libertarian, I would be much more happy with an open market, with almost no or very low barriers to entry.

      Now, I am aware that governmental regulation in this case is the necessary evil. Otherwise, we'd have a total chaos in the radio waves - stations trying to broadcast on one frequency, only to have other stations occupying frequencies that are uncomfortably close or even overlapping, whether on purpose or not. The good news is all this is changing. With the advances in wireless Internet access, I can pretty well imagine a time when my car radio will be Internet-enabled (at a very reasonable cost), and I would be able to choose from hundreds of various radio stations, which can operate without any governmental regulation at all.

    2. Re:wait... by moehoward · · Score: 1

      Well, I think it is. I don't have a problem with the free market listening to as much Brittany and Back Street Boys as they can handle. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean I should try to change it. Just take a look at what happened to CNN when FNC came along. Whoops. All the assumptions about cable news were tossed out the window when FNC regularly beat CNN.

      Where I live, I have 4 or 5 classic rock stations. I'm happy with the choices of popping between them incessantly. I have no idea who owns them, nor do I care.

      For other stuff, there is plenty of choice. I find plenty of Internet radio stations, Web pages, Cable channels, etc. for what I consider "unbiased" sources or "clean" sources. That is, they tend to agree with my point of view or talk about what I want to listen to. Everyone has plenty of choices in media, and clearchannel owning every "major" radio station won't change that.

      The public wants chioces in media. If clearchannel becomes too homogenized, then someone will somehow break through and take away market share. It has always been this way. Everyone thought there was room for only one cable news channel. I have at least 5 on my system. There are hundreds of other such examples.

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    3. Re:wait... by Petronius · · Score: 1


      Following the same logic, we conclude that competition between McDonald's & Burger King improves culinary standards.

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    4. Re:wait... by moehoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um. It is. Why, just in the past week, I can site two examples that at least partially refute your sarcasm.

      One story was about Burger King focusing more on quality to better compete against McD.

      The second story I saw was about McD's changing the trans-fat content of their meals rather significantly. This, in part, was positioned to better compete with BK/Subway.

      McD's and BK serve a very large market, just like clearchannel. But, we all know there are alternatives. I suggest that the lack of alternatives is not a symptom of clearchannel "taking over", but rather a survival of the fittest among the alternatives.

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    5. Re:wait... by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Heh.

      This seems at first glance to be a hard issue for libertarians: "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't." On one hand, I want freedom and want to tell the government to shove it and get out of the way, and on the other hand, I want a free market. Many of the virtues of capitalism require a free market, but when you don't have competition, capitalism becomes less attractive. And media consolidation is also a special case, in that it not only threatens competition in the media market, but can (and will) bias peoples' information and thereby leverage other markets too.

      So no matter what I do, I'll be wrong, right? No. The conflict is an illusion.

      One thing that people must never forget (and sometimes I do) is that the whole situation rests upon socialist premises. The FCC creates monopolies on spectrum for the common good. Local governments have franchise agreements with cable companies for the common good. And so on. When we discuss details of how FCC should regulate, from the very beginning it is based upon the assumption that libertarians' values are either wrong or do not apply. Within this context, using a libertarian argument is an error.

      If, on the other hand, we choose freedom to be a more important value than free markets, then relaxing FCC's rules is not the answer. Abolishing the FCC is the only philosophically-consistent way to tread down that path. And void agreements that give cable companies their monopolies, while you're at it. Then not only will you have freedom, but you just might get free market capitalism too.

      But even Big Media isn't calling for that. The truth is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep the socialist constructs that gives government the power to grant monopolies, but want to ignore the purpose of those socialist constructs, which is to serve the common good. This is really just someone trying to get something for nothing, in defiance of both the socialists' and the capitalists' visions. Everybody loses except the select few.

      Either regulate with clear purpose and accept that government interference is necessary for that, or don't regulate. Half-assed measures are a sign of corruption.

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    6. Re:wait... by elefantstn · · Score: 1

      This is the same thing that happened during the California power crisis: the government deregulated half the industry, while leaving the other half strictly controlled. Good upstanding socialists pronounced it a free market failure, when it was never a free market to begin with. In this case, the FCC controls entry to the radio market, so the deregulation of ownership controls doesn't represent a free market situation.

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    7. Re:wait... by Petronius · · Score: 1

      >McD's changing the trans-fat content of their meals rather significantly
      They are doing that because they are the next target for the Health Department after tobacco companies : Obesity Reported to Cost U.S. $93B a Year . Regulation is forcing them to do the right thing, not the market.
      I can't comment on BK, I don't know the details.
      My point is that while the free markets do provide some efficiencies in some areas, efficiency & cost cutting is not necessarily desirable in all areas. TV & Radio can be used for educational purposes, for information and culture. Quality and diversity (of opinion, content, etc.) in all these 3 areas cost a lot of money, but sometimes it's a good thing.

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    8. Re:wait... by st0rmcold · · Score: 1


      Good post, I completly agree. You either do it or you don't there is no middle ground between a free market and a socialist market, but if u do accept a middle ground, you're not free, nor are you socialist, you are BOTH!

      So basically, no argument from any side of the issue can actually make a difference, because both systems are colliding.

      The problem is, the way the system has gotten now, with the bad economy, and the governement depending on big business to keep them out of the red and at the same time trying to please the public.

      Maybe someone should propose a bill that would prevent politics from mixing with business, and have harsh penalties for coersion. Not allowing political parties to accept donations, fight tooth and nail for REAL political opinions, instead of who has the most banner ads on your street. It would be nice to talk to someone someday and hear his opinion on why he votes and that it didn't involve that fact that he/she was enticed by their colorful poster.

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    9. Re:wait... by moehoward · · Score: 1

      Regulation is NOT forcing them to do a damn thing. Geez. You really sound like a big L liberal... "See how good a job regulation did to fix the trans-fat problem at McD's!! We need more regulation!"

      They did it on their own. The free market "forced" them to do it. There is NO regulation that made them do a thing. (Well, except for the vegetarian fry thing last year, which was rather funny.)

      Threats of lawsuits are ludicrous, as the last "McD's made me fat" lawsuit was laughed out of court and all the way to Bally's.

      Please let us know which regulation made McD's change their meals. Oh, and when you provide a link, perhaps it should help to prove your point. This link did not.

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    10. Re:wait... by Petronius · · Score: 1

      That link (& some other recent articles) shows that even the Bush administration is concerned about the problem. Some legislation (and some lawsuits) are brewing in Washington.
      The fast food industry will be bankrupted the same way the tobacco industry is. It's coming, don't worry.
      BACK ON TOPIC:since the new legislation will pass because the republicans control the WH, House & Senate, we'll see what happens in the next 5 years. My guess is: less quality than more. These companies will sure be lean to run and make a high profit. If that's what you want, then great.

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    11. Re:wait... by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      There is no need for the government to split up the frequency bands and award sole rights to those bands to small groups. They could opt for a licensing scheme that instead regulated the type of equipment used to broadcast using spread spectrum technology.

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  31. No Suprise by locarecords.com · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What with all the media corporation merging, and merging more we are within spitting distance of a few truly huge global media companies that have the reach and power that is truly terrifying.

    It worries me that it is getting harder and harder for small artists, musicians, television writers etc to get on the first rung due to the lack of competition. And this stifling of culture will be something that once done will be increasingly hard to undo... where are we going...?

    I just wish that people cared about new culture and cutting edge performance and writing but it seems they are content to buy re-issued, committee-written comedy, music, drama and film.

    Adorno was precient in his forecasts...

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  32. BBC news 24 last night by Loosewire · · Score: 2

    I was watching this channel last night and in the business talk section there was the CEO of Sinclair (who own lots of local cable stations) saying how terrible it is that theyre not alowed to own more things than theyre currently alowed, his justification was that there are so many more channels now... bah just another company like clear channel trying to crush all competition. (Final thaught-Maybe that should have been like M$ - no beacuse MS has already done so :-( )

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  33. Media combinations I'd like to see by guacamolefoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. PBS and FOX: This would be something like a collision of matter and anti-matter. New shows: "Firing Line meets Celebrity Boxing"; "When Barney Attacks!"; and "Bill Moyers investigates Monica's Thong"

    2. ABC and WB: The dead eating the dead. Is that cannibalism or Night of the Living Dead or neither?

    3. New York Times and E!: Oh, the possibilities: "Jayson Blair Investigative Reports: Anna Nicole Smith -- What's real and what's fake?"; "E! Hollywood True Story: All the President's Men -- the Post was really just making up Deep Throat...we should know!"; and "Talk Soup for the Lazy Reporter"

    4. CNN and Playboy: All T&A, all the time. Show your tits, Judy Woodruff!

    GF.

    1. Re:Media combinations I'd like to see by schnits0r · · Score: 1

      4. CNN and Playboy: All T&A, all the time. Show your tits, Judy Woodruff!??

      I suppose you haven't seen www.nakednews.com.

  34. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by mt2mb4me · · Score: 1

    opie and anonthoy, if that is the radio show you are talking about, was taken off by more than clear channel. After they had someone have sex in a church live, there radio life was over, not only did they "jump the shark" they also ticked off a lit of suits, and the religous right. I belive (don't hold me to be correct on this) the FCC or some other governmental agency over radio had them taken off the air.

  35. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Nope, KLOL, I was talking about the "Real Man Show", previously the "Stevens and Pruit" show before they fired Mark Stevens. Now it's "Ronson and Johnson", they aren't exactly PC, but they tiptoe around the edges of it.

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  36. I don't see the big deal by Jack+Comics · · Score: 1, Interesting

    To be 100% honest, I don't see the big deal over the issue of media consolidation. Newspapers? Hah. Newspapers are a dead format. It's common knowledge that the current newspapers out there are not gaining any new subscribers to replace the ones that are dying off. Soon enough it won't be worth the printing costs for newspapers to be in the paper business without going completely digital.

    Radio? Again, another dead format, save for talk radio. The only time I and others I know listen to the radio is to either catch the local news, traffic and weather while on the way to work and on the way home, and/or to listen to talk radio such as good 'ol Rush Limbaugh. Music stations just aren't worth listening to, both for the low variety of music (rap and hip-hop aren't my forte, but soundtracks are), and because of the low quality of the music they do play. I get better sounding music out of my computer than I do my radio.

    Television? For the free airwaves, it's another dead format. The only future of television is in cable and satellite dishes. I remember reading an article a few years ago stating that no television will be free by 2010. Whether that's still the case, I don't know, but it's only a question of when, not "will it happen?" Honestly, who cares who owns two or three local stations when there are 200+ channels to watch? If I want to find out what's happening locally, I can either go to a local news-oriented website, or *gasp* - actually go outside and find out for myself. :)

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  37. DJ-less radio by CowboyRobot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back when I was a DJ at WVBR (briefly) I spent most of my time calculating which songs to play in order to fill the 20-minute space between weather and station identification, and between news and the ad break. Given that I had exactly 20 minutes, if I started with a 5:13, a 3:17, and a 4:39, I then had to find a song or two to fill the remaining 7 or so minutes.

    Before holidays, we would prerecord our shifts on reel-to-reel tape, and the engineer would simply swap reels every 3 hours.

    It occured to me that if we had every song in our cd library as an mp3 in a database, we could automate the entire process. We could have the software rotate through the songs to fill the air-time exactly, we could load all the ad spots and PAs in a separate table, and not even have to be in the room.

    I wonder if anyone is doing this now. If not, I'm sure it will.

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    1. Re:DJ-less radio by Monofilament · · Score: 1

      pretty much what clearchannel does with most of their stations. not sure if its Mp3's but its some sort of automated system that has all the music and commercials and promo's already loaded into it.

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    2. Re:DJ-less radio by pastpolls · · Score: 1

      Most radio stations are automated. Some do not even have DJs on staff anymore, they use hired talent to read tag lines. There are a couple of systems out there that do automation. Prophet Radio makes a common system. Most of these systems use proprietary audio formats, but some do have transcoders to get from common formats.

    3. Re:DJ-less radio by mattsucks · · Score: 1

      Back when I was a DJ at WVBR ...

      WVBR!?! Get with it! WOGG is MUCH higher fidelity station !!!

    4. Re:DJ-less radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As a (former) employee of Clear Channel, I can tell you that DJ-less radio is already in full effect.

      CC uses Prophet Systems' automation software to automate basically all of their stations. As a DJ, I could go in and voicetrack (pre-record all of my little between-song blurbs) a 6 hour shift in just under 30 minutes. DJs don't get to pick the songs and that guy you just heard on the phone requesting Metallica was probably recorded sometime back in January, and you'll hear him every time they play Metallica from now until November.

      Oh, and how many of your favorite DJs do you think actually live in your city? Unless you're living in one of the top 10 markets, chances are half the voices you hear between songs are piped in from Vegas, Florida, or Cleveland.

      Pretty soon, there will be 4 DJs left in all of commercial radio, and from what I've seen, most folks won't care.

    5. Re:DJ-less radio by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      I believe 101.1 in Prescott or Payson Arizona was doing that for a while. For many weeks, I heard no DJ at all. I loved it. I don't want to hear some moron babbling between songs. Then they changed it to a different sort of music (after about three days of 'nothing but vintage commercials')

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    6. Re:DJ-less radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up insightful

    7. Re:DJ-less radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, at least in Ithaca, I'll bet there will be a huge protest if Clear water buys some radio stations and tries to make them suck.

  38. I think you're just making the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the article.
    Take a look at who owns all those stations.

  39. Open up all the channels by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If the FCC is going to allow media consolidation, it should open up more channels. TV channel assignments have rules to protect crappy TV tuners from adjacent channel interference and harmonic interference. These reflect 1950s electronics technology. All those rules should be repealed. In major markets, every VHF and UHF channel should be active if someone wants to transmit on it. Broadcasters have been fighting this for years; they hate real competition. But it's time.

    Yes, this will cause interference on Grandma's old Philco. So?

  40. What would be cool by eaddict · · Score: 2, Interesting

    would be a coverage map of US of each of the companies. Numbers mean little, it is coverage that matters. Anyone know of anything like it? Wanna create it?

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    1. Re:What would be cool by shoji · · Score: 1

      they're on the way. media access project is making one.

      this is the holy grail of media democracy activists.

  41. a history lesson by havaloc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please, do not worry about all this Clearchannel nonsense. As time goes on, people will tire of this type of programming. This happened with television in the 60s and 70s, and broadcast has all but died, due to competition from pay TV. When the networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) just did the same old programming and copy off each other, they lost marketshare and created an opening for alternatives. The same thing will happen again. The free market system works, it just takes time.

  42. Old adage still true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The old adage is still true...
    ===
    Mass media takes in money for its goods and services. That makes it the supplier.

    Advertising agencies, marketing departments, and other corporations pay money to the mass media for its goods and services. That makes it the customer.

    Where does that leave you, gentle TV watcher or radio listener or newspaper reader? You are the product.
    ===
    I am even insulted that cable TV, satellite TV, et al propose to take *my* money and yet run commercials and programming that *I* don't get to dictate. Essentially, I am paying them for the privelege of selling me (as the product) to others. Gah!

    The best "other industry relationship" to compare the relationship of the TV/radio station and the viewer/listener to? Uh, that would be "prostitute and pimp." The mass media is the pimp. YOU are the prostitute. Does anyone wonder now why we're constantly getting bent over and screwed in ways we don't even want?

    Come to think of it, replace "mass media" with "government" and replace "advertising agencies and marketing departments" with "well-funded lobbyists" and you pretty much have the only other use of the pimp/prostitute analogy you need.

    --AC101

  43. moron 'browsing' yOUR won channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's right, an infinite # of channels, ALL spewing forth Godless greed/fear based payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup felon ?pr? crapolah execrable.

    this is what you wanted? lookout bullow.

  44. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by egoff · · Score: 1

    Can you say 91.7 KTRU (Rice University), 90.1 KPFT (Pacifica), or 88.7 KUHF (NPR, classical)? All good noncommercial Houston radio.

  45. Re:And you wonder why radio sucks so much these da by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting idea....basically the system in place now, but more honest about it...

  46. Re:YEah. THats why i listend to don and mike. by plague3106 · · Score: 1

    Don an Mike are about as funny as dirt.

    Opie and Anthony, now they were funny! Too bad they got fired :-(

  47. No biggee... just buy up all of the channels by ClarkEvans · · Score: 1

    This won't solve a thing. If you open up the channels, then a bidding process occurs... and in the bidding process, without limits, the same company will buy all of the channels.

    The point is that radio can serve public needs (getting local issues, various viewpoints, various local signers, etc.) rather than purely corporate desires.

    1. Re:No biggee... just buy up all of the channels by Animats · · Score: 1
      TV channels historically haven't been sold by the Government. You apply for a license, and if there are no conflicts, the FCC grants it. They're supposed to serve the "public interest". All the slots are filled in major markets, but you can get a station license in Outer Nowhere if you want. It's unusual to do that for TV, but there are thousands of tiny radio stations.

      Incidentally, KVMD-TV, in Twentynine Palms, CA, has returned its analog license to the FCC and received permission to shut down its analog transmitter. They're the first station to go DTV-only. This is because their real reason for existence is to be carried on LA cable systems. DTV receivers shouldn't have the adjacent-channel problem. It's not clear if this means more slots will be opening up as the DTV transition proceeds.

  48. Options dwindle, but some remain by SmilingMonk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here in Portland, OR we have KBOO. It is entirely community funded, staffed, and operated. It is amazing how different the news, content, and programming is from corporate controlled media.

    San Fransisco and LA have KPFA and perhaps one or two other radio outlets that are operated similarly to the way KBOO is. But nationwide our options for true community controlled media has become very very limited.

    There are several reasons why corporate control of our airwaves remains an issue that is important to understand:

    • FM/AM tuners remain a widely accepted standard for reception. Those in our society who are not wired, as many on /. are, use whatever technology is cheap and widely available. This makes radio listening somewhat different than newspaper reading.
    • Local news and information can easily be sanitized or completely ignored by companies like ClearChannel (particularly true when they don't generate content locally)
    • All bandwidth used to be a public resource. Protecting this used to be the charter of the FCC. Airwaves were to be used for the public interest and not as a simple money generator for a handful of people or companies

    It amazes me how little the citizens of this country care about being controlled or manipulated. Perhaps it has come down to the power that can be purchased by a few people who have large sums of money and big desires that remain unfulfilled.

    If you are a terror to many, then beware of many. --Ausonius

  49. Proof that media consolidation is bad by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just look at clearchannel. They own almost every radio station in the US now and they have been a failure in all respects.

    They were not succesfull in making money. Radio revenues went way down after their takeovers.

    They were not succesfull in making interesting radio. My favourite hard rock station has become quite awfull after the takeover. Now i prefer playing any crappy CD over and over again instead of listening to radio.

    They were not succesful in allowing different political views, informing the public, etc. Many controversial DJs were just fired. Of course Limbaugh reins supreme.

    So, yes clearchannel proves consolidation is just bad news.

    SOme people may say that the internet makes it ok... but consider this - many people do not have internet (about 50% of the us, i believe) and also the internet cannot fully replace TV as it could not fully replace my fave hard rock radio station. They are just different media.

  50. But I like hard rock. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I don't like pop, classical is great, but not all the time when I have a case of road rage I want to blair the OffSpring, Mötley Crüe or something, not Mozart. FEED THE RAGE, starving it just makes your rage hungry, their's nothing worse than rage on an empty stomache.

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    1. Re:But I like hard rock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KTRU does have hard rock, especially their From The Depths show.

    2. Re:But I like hard rock. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Have to give it a shot. Easy to over look stations now that autoseek is standard on radios.

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    3. Re:But I like hard rock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offspring always calms my driving down. I'm too busy screaming with the music (Bad Habit :-) to worry about the pony blocking the left lane.

  51. ClearChannel makes strong case for Public Radio by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1
    Either your in radio to provide content or in radio to push commercials. Anything in between is just pretending and inefficient. ClearChannel optimizes for pushing commecrials:
    If anyone said we were in the radio business, it wouldn't be someone from our company," says Mays, 67. "We're not in the business of providing news and information. We're not in the business of providing well-researched music.
    Not surprisingly this points out the importance of public radio ( eg. NPR, BBC, NRK, DR, SR, etc. ) where the goal is to provide news, information or well-researched music.

    In addition, the consolidation should be viewed as the number of potential listeners rather than the number of stations. For example, if 250 000 listen for 1 hour per week, that's 28.6 man-years of the same agenda, ideology or political message being pedaled, intentionally or unintentionally. That can have severe repercussions for the future of democratic process in the U.S.

    Even if you don't subscribe to the agenda thing, there's still the issue of the underlying emotional tactic used by commercials wearing down the population.

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    1. Re:ClearChannel makes strong case for Public Radio by royalblue_tom · · Score: 1

      Ah, the UK model. You have a forced levy (TV license) to subsidise the BBC. This sets the minimum acceptable level - it keeps the companies who concentrate on comercials honest, because if they show too many, they lose viewer share to the BBC.

      But PBS in the US doesn't get the budget it needs to compete, so the big boys do what they like ...

  52. turning the tide by shoji · · Score: 3, Interesting

    welcome to the grassroots fight of your life, if you're a media democracy activist. we've been working on this for a year, trying to build a coalition of peace and justice groups against the issue. during the war in iraq, many national peace activists would turn on the nightly news and say, 'what the hell? where are the bodies? why are retired generals and embedded reporters giving me my news?'

    so they embraced the issue. it's a lot harder to ignore the group of people on the steps of the fcc whining 'FREE AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA' if those people are anti-war citizens from all across the country with money, clout, and celebrity spokesmen (michael moore).

    the smallish team media democracy activists has ballooned into a huge group of peace and justice activists, hackers, consumer rights activists, kids, parents, people of all stripes. now groups like moveon.org are planning national call-in days. now code pink is pink-slipping fcc chairman michael powell alongside his much-more-famous father, colin powell.

    so we have the people. what do we do? what's our power?

    1) call your senator. like, now. right now. the senate, after the second commerce committee hearing on this issue, is rattling some sabers and could definitely use some encouragement that this issue isn't just one for the lobbyists.

    2) comment to the fcc. you can do so here and the comments you make will also go to the senate commerce committee, and to the president.

    3) tell someone who isn't tech savvy about this. you're reading slashdot. you have a choice about where you get your media. most people don't. newspaper, radio, and television matter more than we can say in most parts of this country. just ask the good people of minot.

    and visit us at prometheus. we're here all the time. and we will be until june 2nd and after.

    hannah sassaman
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    1. Re:turning the tide by shoji · · Score: 1

      broken link above -- click here to comment to the fcc.

    2. Re:turning the tide by Detritus · · Score: 1
      You are assuming that the average citizen is interested in listening to "peace and justice" advocates, where "peace and justice" is a modern code-word for flaming leftist, and has little to do with peace or justice.

      Most of the so-called Independent Media Centers are left-wing circle jerks and outlets for propaganda. They make the Fox News Channel look fair and balanced in comparison.

      I'm no fan of media consolidation and corporate control of the airwaves. That doesn't mean that I'm willing to sign on to the rest of your agenda.

      Do you know why Rush Limbaugh and Fox are popular? No, it isn't because their audience is stupid and/or brainwashed, or because of a conspiracy by "The Man". A large proportion of the American public is conservative and likes their shows. If Noam Chomsky could get the same ratings as Rush Limbaugh, the corporate whores in the radio industry would broadcast his show coast-to-coast. Their agenda is making money, not pushing a particular ideology.

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  53. Boo Hoo by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The rising cost of programming, especially rights fees that networks pay sports leagues to broadcast games, means that networks lose money by putting their shows on broadcast stations instead of cable, the networks say. "Sports content will be the first to go to cable," Karmazin warned, noting that CBS paid $6 billion to broadcast the NCAA men's basketball tournament for 11 years. "Then other [programming] will follow."

    So what. Maybe they should think about not paying people $5 million per year to play a kid's game or $1 million per episode to act in a sitcom. Get to the root of the "rising cost of programming" problem rather than begging the government to let them consolidate programming into even more homogenized crap than it already is.

    This is how it's supposed to work. If overpaid actors, sports players and coke-sniffing media executives are making the industry unprofitable, then companies go out of business, supply of overpaid job openings dwindle, and costs fall back into line. We don't need to put all of a scarce public resource in control of a single private party just to prop up a bad business model.

  54. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by FroMan · · Score: 1

    Here in GR, MI we had a couple decent stations. Then, CC arrived and bought this one station. One of the best DJ's (who also owns a couple CD shops in town) left that station for another. CC bought that station, again he leaves for another. CC buys that one. Finally I hear him currently on another station. But this one I think he either owns or something, I doubt we'll be seeing this on bought up by CC.

    On a decent note, I think one of the stations is now freed from CC's grasps. Atleast I don't hear, "a ClearChannel station" after everything the DJ's say.

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  55. Free Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Combine this topic with the topic about the coast to coast wireless LAN.

    Put streaming audio on the Wireless LAN and then create some kind of in-car media pc with a wireless card.

    If you put the LAN AP's in the middle of no-where (like along route 66) the cars can pick up good streaming radio from college stations or Internet Radio stations.

  56. Donald Love by jafiwam · · Score: 1

    One way or another, we all work for Donald Love anyway. What difference does it make if he owns a few more radio/tv stations?

    Now if I could only find him... he owes me money from my last job...

  57. "cable-ize broadcast" by TheSync · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As you may know, one of the advantages of cable is that it has so many channels that there is the opportunity for niche markets.

    Digital Television provides 19.4 Mbps of data per channel. This could either be a single high-definition stream, or a multiplex set of standard-definition streams (or even a mixture of both).

    So you could have 4 times as many digital video streams on the air as you have analog video channels today, if they all do a 4 way multiplex (they call it "multicast", but that confuses us IT folks) at SD bitrates equivalent to those of SD digital cable.

    It remains to be seen what might be made of those multiplexed digital television channels.

    PBS, for example, provides a pre-multiplexed DTV feed to public television stations broadcasting a digital channel, including a children's feed, and an adult learning feed, and many are running with this 4 channel "multicast" during non-prime hours.

    So it might be that broadcast DTV becomes more "cable-ized" through the addition of multiplexed channels.

  58. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by snatchitup · · Score: 1

    Wrong. I'm finding a definite left wing Marxists leaning on Slashdot. At least, those in control.

    Me? I'll come right out and admit where I am. I am a Big R Republican. I was a little l libertarian, and was actually about to make the leap into big L Libertarian party politics. Then, I decided that Big R is closer to "l" than Big D. A vote for a big "L" was a vote for a big "D". Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. I decided, I have to choose a side.

    You won't find me trying to spin things. I'll call them as I see 'em. And you'll know where I am up-front. I conservative, like it or not.

  59. C89.5 Seattle by Kibo · · Score: 1

    Just a bunch of Highschool punks, makeing radio worth listening to. They play basically dance, but it's an ecclectic mix of a fairly large number of songs.

    I listen to them as much as I make use of my mp3 stereo. Which is pretty significant because until I accidently found them I hadn't used the radio for radio in months.

    Thanks clear channel for taking the public's spectrum and filling it with useless garbage. Fortunately, we've got the government and highschool kids makeing some use out of it. MTV's right, kids can make a difference.

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    1. Re:C89.5 Seattle by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      I like the industrial show they do on sundays from 6-12.. they play some pretty good stuff, and you gotta love no commercials.

  60. ClearChannel has put people in physical danger by asmithmd1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Last thursday I was driving home around the Washington, DC beltway when NPR interrupted their broadcast mid-sentence with a tornado warning. A warning is issued when a tornado has been spotted and, if you are in the area, you need to take cover now. I flipped over to one of the clearchannel stations, DC101, just to see how fast they reacted. You guessed it, they never did.

    They have a license to use the public's airwaves for the public good. They are in gross violation of that license. Someone needs to organize a campaign to protest the re-newal of a stations liscense, they need to be re-newed every 8 years

    1. Re:ClearChannel has put people in physical danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You idiot, how do you know they didn't already warn?

    2. Re:ClearChannel has put people in physical danger by OneEyedApe · · Score: 1

      They should be repeating the warning. Once is not enough.

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  61. mm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not so much a bad thing that CC can consoladate radio stations, the problem is the FCC limits frequencies to a very select few.

    So while there is a demand for music alternative to CCs choices, it's too small to aquire such frequencies. The FCC really needs to relax it's frequency licensing requirments.

    The niche is there, it just can't be filled due to extrainous regulations.

  62. You know, they aren't doing too well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company lost money every quarter last year, piling up an annual loss of $1.1 billion. Clear Channel also is shouldering $8 billion in debt -- the legacy of its deal-a-minute expansion spree. With a long advertising slump afoot, the company's stock is selling at about half its peak price of two years ago.

    The other day, Clear Channel reported that it lost $16.9 billion during the first three months of 2002, mostly as a result of writing off devalued assets.


    Despite all their blandness, it doesn't seem to pay off.

  63. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by ninewands · · Score: 1

    Now it's "Ronson and Johnson"

    It's "Walton and Johnson," and while they might not be PC, they most certainly ARE CC (type "Houston" in the search box) their lame-ass script won't return the URL of the search result).

    Clear Channel owns 8 stations in Houston, every one of which is either the market leader in it's format or the ONLY example of it's format in the city.

  64. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by moehoward · · Score: 1

    Most Big R Republicans and Big D Democrats consider libertarian-style thinkers to be the opposition.

    All my Big R friends think I'm a flaming liberal... "What, you satanic baby killer? You think abortion is a right? Hippy freak!"

    All my Big D friends think I'm a child-hating, white supremicist, Limbaugh-lover.

    I must be doing something right to piss off all the not-so-moderates. I think that you are too big of a Big R to know where either the middle or libertarians might be. They are all the opposition to you. And yikes. If you ran across a moderate liberal, you'd probably call him a Marxist, or something horrible like that.

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  65. Criticising Clear Channel is short sighted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First of all, let me make myself clear (no pun intended). Clear Channel sucks. They produce a lousy product, and are profitable only because they are so lowest common denominator that they don't have much costs at all.

    But they are a monopoly you say? Or at least someone gobbling up a limited resource? True. But why is the resource (in this case, air waves) so limited? Its the FCCs fault.

    FM radio was a huge technological improvement over AM radio. The AM band occupies 540-1700 KHz and FM is only 88-108 MHz. The technological leaps that have happened over the years that made wireless ethernet, mobile phones (which occupy comparitively razor thin slivers in the spectrum when compared with radio) and other technology has the potential to allow thousands of radio stations sharing the same area. If the FCC would get off its ass and get the new band allocated, Clear Channel could set up all the top-40 stations that it wished and there would be plenty of room for public radio, non-profit independant broadcasters and any joe that would normally set up a pirate radio station.

    One should not attack entities consuming scarce resources when it is possible to attack scarcity itself.

  66. Yeesh by autechre · · Score: 1


    Why do you think there's no variety in music radio? Consolidation! Hello!? Could it be that the same company owns most of the radio stations? Could this be why all the music sounds the same? Try listening to a college radio station sometime, and not a make-believe college station that isn't run by the students (we have a few of these in Maryland, and it's really annoying; that is NOT "college radio").

    Newspapers are still more comfortable to read than Web sites, and the iLoo notwithstanding, there are many situations where they still just work better. The Retriever at UMBC, a medium-sized research university (mostly commuters, mostly disinterested in anything but academics, many CS majors) has a circulation of 15,000, and NO subscribers. That's just from people picking up the paper. It's all online too, at trw.umbc.edu, but we sure don't get 15,000 hits a week.

    To be 100% honest, I'm half-convinced you're a troll. But if not, please consider my statements.

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    1. Re:Yeesh by Jack+Comics · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I have tried listening to the one or two local college stations, but it was mostly alternative rock, heavy metal, and rap/hip-hop, none of which I enjoy. Oddly enough, I find the music (that which is there, which isn't much), on some local commercial stations more enjoyable than any of the music I've listened to on local college stations. Concerning the readability of physical newspapers over reading them on-line, that's all preference. Some may find that true, but others not. Regardless, it is a fact that in general, the newspaper readers that remain are dying off, and are not being replaced. This fact is already well established by the Newspaper Association of America. For more information on the subject, see an article at Tim Porter's web site. The Retriever's number of readers is unique, and not representative of the general state of America's newspapers.

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  67. who signed the legislation that made this possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take a guess. Hint: Not GWB.

  68. Fascinating effect on the generation gap by dsplat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By putting the safe and tested material on the radio, they are driving people seeking new music to other distribution channels. This is only going to bring on the day that record labels and radio are completely irrelevant to music that much sooner. I stopped listening to mainstream radio a decade ago. Today, I get my music live or off of an alternative station.

    There is a place for safe, predictable radio. But it can be filled just as easily with a CD changer. The thing that is driving this right now is that advertisers are willing to pay well to air their ads to a specific market niche all across the country. When those listeners wander away out of boredom, either the programming will change or the company will go bankrupt.

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  69. Re:And you wonder why radio sucks so much these da by Tired_Blood · · Score: 1

    I've heard that the US senate seat for NJ costs $65 million. It helps if it's mostly your own money though...

    That may seem like a lot, but I think it's a great bargain.

    You'd control 1/100th of 1/2 of 1/3 of the entire federal government: or 0.167%. (1 seat of 100 Senators; Legislative branch divided into two houses; FederalGov=Executive+Legislative+Judicial)

    The GDP of the US is about $10 trillion, so 0.167% of that is: $16.7 billion. Almost 260 times the investment! The return is even greater considering that Senators don't have to worry about re-elections for six years.

    They weren't kidding: Corzine really IS a successful businessman!

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  70. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by snatchitup · · Score: 1

    Not so fast. The big L's in there platform recognise the merits of both sides of the debate. That is, a baby has rights.

    Libertarians say, do as you please, as long as it doesn't harm another person.

    Well, to me certainly, a child 7 1/2 months along in the womb is a person.
    So, there's no conflict with my pro-life views there.

  71. Re:I've tried to boycott Clearchannel, I really ha by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Oh no!

    You advertised for them!
    Mod down! Mod down!

    Okay, so I forgot their names. I've listened to them and tried to give them a fair shake, it just didn't work. I've thought about calling them daily to remind them they suck, but there are others that do that for me, and besides it may count their rating is boosted.

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  72. Oh give it a rest. by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    For every Slashbot complaining that ClearChannel wrecked 'their' radio station, there is about, oh a couple million (or so) people tuning in to those stations (of their own free will) and patronizing the advertisers. To remedy this horrible situation, the Slashbots propose - wait for it - more government regulation! After all - the poor, huddled masses out there can't possibly be expected to make their own decisions on what to listen to, can they?

    If Micheal and his flock don't like what they hear on the radio, they can choose another channel, or better yet, start their own. If what they say is true and there indeed is a large group of dissatisfied radio listeners out there, they will tune in and the station will be economically viable. If not, they can chip in to cover the operating costs and play whatever they want.

    Like that'll happen. It's a lot easier to keep posting petulant bleatings on Slashdot than to put your money where your mouth is.

    1. Re:Oh give it a rest. by Jack+Comics · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Damn, I wish I still had my moderation points from earlier this week because I'd be rating the parent post up in a heartbeat. You sir, are 110% correct. It's a shame more people don't see it.

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    2. Re:Oh give it a rest. by HBI · · Score: 1

      This attitude is the reason why i'm voting Democrat next election.

      There are valid uses of government regulation: one of them is the allocation of a valuable, limited resource like broadcast frequencies. It's not a right, it's a privelege and the oligarchy of media conglomerates cannot be trusted to treat it responsibly. They need to be tightly regulated.

      Corporations have no ethics or morals. Enron should illustrate that, if nothing prior did to you.

      Too much of a good thing is just as bad as not enough. The Republicans have shown that they will stop at nothing advancing their probusiness agenda, even to the detriment of the general public. Obviously people like me have to stop them.

      Yeah, i'm a registered Republican. I listen to Limbaugh when I can. I agree with 95% of what he says. But this crap is just too much for me, and will be too much for a lot of other people.

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    3. Re:Oh give it a rest. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think you're kind of missing the point.

      After all - the poor, huddled masses out there can't possibly be expected to make their own decisions on what to listen to, can they?

      Doesn't matter if they can. Clear Channel is effectivly taking the choice away from them. The only choice they have is to listen to Clear Channel or listen to nothing. Not much of a choice in my opinion.

      If Micheal and his flock don't like what they hear on the radio, they can choose another channel...

      No they can't. Because all the channels are the same because they're all owned by Clear Channel (or so the argument goes, I'm not from the US and thus can't really comment on the content of US radio stations).

      ...or better yet, start their own

      again, no they can't. As I understand it the FCC which is a government institution auctions off monopolies on radio frequencies. So unless I can outbid clear channel I can't just start my own station. The argument to be made here is that if the government is going to restrict who can boradcast on a frequency then perhaps they have an obligation to also restrict the number of frequencies any one entity can hold, in the interests of, you know, free speech and the like.

      I'm not saying these arguments are neccssarily correct, I'm just saying that the issues is more complex than you're trying to make it.

    4. Re:Oh give it a rest. by PateraSilk · · Score: 1

      better yet, start their own.

      Of course this ignores the fact that the available frequencies are probably already allocated in any given area. Pretty much a bitch as far as local startups are concerned. Maybe once ClearChannel can own as many frequencies as it wants it'll start brokering the ones it doesn't think it needs.

      Oh, yeah! It needs them all to make money! Isn't that what they're telling Congress?

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    5. Re:Oh give it a rest. by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 1
      >Corporations have no ethics or morals. Enron should illustrate that, if nothing prior did to you.

      What an ignorant statement. That one ranks up there with 'blacks are lazy' and 'women are stupid'. Demonstrably untrue for anyone with two neurons to rub together.

      The Enron fiasco was perpetrated by an small number of people who happened to control large sums of money. To smear the rest of the company with their dishonesty is sheer ignorance. The fact is that a large company like Enron has people of all types working for it, good and otherwise.

      There are also many companies that use their resources to help charitible causes. Here are two for your consideration:
      http://www2.canadiantire.ca/CTengl ish/foundation.h tml
      http://www.timhortons.com/english/content_221 2.htm l

      I'm sure you can find more if you look. So much ,for the 'evil corporation' routine.

    6. Re:Oh give it a rest. by HBI · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't know much about Enron.

      Google about energy trades and the California mess. Yes, Enron was neck-deep in that too.

      It was systemic, arguably criminal intent that pervaded the entire organization. They went down because they should have, fucking scumbags they were.

      Holding up Enron's honest janitor as a straw man is also bullshit. You're a flaming asshole!

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    7. Re:Oh give it a rest. by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of the points of the parent post have been rebuked, but i want say this in addition.

      There are much fewer people listening to clear channel stations, than used to be when the stations were owned by smaller companies.

      Considering how radio is to a large extent an captive audience medium (ppl listen to radio when they are in their cars and dpnt have any good cds) that is a pretty significant sign that Clearchannel sucks.

    8. Re:Oh give it a rest. by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 1
      Yup - and when Sherron Watkins (look it up) stuck her neck out to try to warn Ken Lay, she was trying to advance her career. Criminal intent - all through the organization. Uh-huh.

      Your post exposes your bias and bigotry better than anything I could ever write. You're makeing this easy.

    9. Re:Oh give it a rest. by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      A corporation is not a person, no matter how much it would like you to think of it that way. It is a contract, and contracts do not have morals. The people participating in the contract can be as moral as they want, but at the end of the day the corporation is just there to benefit it's investors. It can do that in any number of ways, but that's all it does.

    10. Re:Oh give it a rest. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Publicly traded corporations under the current system exist solely for the purpose of maximizing return on shareholder investment. This is not a matter of free choice. This is effectively the law.

      Corporations are not evil. Corporations are not ethical in the normal sense either. They "have no morals" in a very real sense. They are machines for maximizing return on investment.

      Corporate "charity" is thus permissible only to the extent that it increases corporate goodwill and corporate market position. Corporate "charity" that is signficantly in variance from maximum benefit to the bottom line will be punished by the shareholders' replacing the board and executive.

      Which is why corporate "charity" isn't really charity.

      While corporations are neither moral nor immoral people within corporations may try to be as moral or as immoral as they can get away with, but the legal, cultural and organizational structure is designed to eliminate any such behaviors in favor of maximum shareholder return.

      In the current climate, corporations have developed and successfully promoted an ideology to perpetuate this situation, which is consistent with their mission. Dominant companies also feel unconstrained to act politically to protect their interests.

      If this behavior diminishes various aspects of the public good (environment, education, free speech, cultural diversity, health, singing and dancing without paying royalties, whatever) that is not a concern of the corporate entity. Media consolidation is simply a case in point. ( As a corporate employee or a vendor to corporations (which covers most employed people), you are entitled to your opinion on your own time, of course, but you are also entitled to as little of your own time as possible. This maximizes return on your salary and minimizes the amount of time you will have to indulge in thinking, reading, conversing, playing a musical instrument, writing open source code, and other subversive activities.

      An interesting analysis of our bizarre contemporary situation appears in the book "The Divine Right of Capital" by Kelly and Greider (Berrett-Koehler 2003). The authors argue that shareholder dominance of the economy is fundamentally reactionary. Their suggestion of employee-driven democracy seems far-fetched to me - I prefer a strong and competent regulatory sector informed by a strong and competent electorate. Their way of looking at the situation is an eye-opener though.

  73. Capitalism !=free market by bninja_penguin · · Score: 1

    How about this? Why don't we ban publicly traded companies? If your privately owned company can't handle the changing economy, then they should die, rather than run to the government for some sort of protection for their shareholders and their CEOs. What ever happened to companies caring about their products and their customers? All these companies today can do is whine about profit margins, stockholders, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I say let them all die. They don't care about their products, they don't care about their customers, they only care about multi-million dollar bonuses, and shit like that. Also, while I'm on a rant, why don't all congressmen have to live in dorms, or quonset huts, or cheap government housing projects? They should be representative of the people, rather than trying to lord it over them. Last time they voted themselves a pay raise, one of the congress critters said they needed the raise because it was very hard for him to keep up payments on the three houses he owned! Hey, sell one or two, eh?!? Most Americans either can't afford just one house, or are going bankrupt trying to own one. All corporate leaders and government officials should get off their high horse and actually find out how the majority of people live.

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  74. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by moehoward · · Score: 1

    Great. Then don't have an abortion. I would never want my spouse to have one and would argue very strongly against it.

    But stay away from the laws. It is an issue that does not belong in the laws.

    For you, 7 1/2 months. For the guy next door, 6 months. For the gal down the street, 7 1/2 microseconds. See the problem?

    Before arguing for abortion laws, go and perform some duties in the inner city, or wherever for abstinence and better birth control. Heck, donate some money to Planned Parenthood if you want to lower the abortion rate. Do something besides moaning to your friendly, local government to help the problem. The shortcut is always to get gov't involved. "Solve it for us!!! I'm too busy!!". There is a ton that can be done to work on this problem before gov't needs to get involved.

    Ditto with free market media. Go do something about it. Support your local alternatives, or national, or international alternatives.

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  75. That only works when there's an actual choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > To remedy this horrible situation, the Slashbots propose - wait for it - more government regulation!

    No, maintaining existing FCC regulations of ownership. Regulations that have already been relaxed and which in turn allowed ClearChannel to spread like a plague.

    > After all - the poor, huddled masses out there can't possibly be expected to make their own decisions on what to listen to, can they?

    The poor, huddled masses have... radio. And broadcast TV. Without true programming diversity, no true choice is available to the average person.

    If Conglomerate-1 buys out half a region's media outlets, and Conglomerate-2 buys out the other half, you now have to HOPE that one of those conglomerates has a soul. Otherwise what balance of coverage and entertainment are you likely to see from Big Business? "Negative" war coverage bad for business? Pipe up the patriotic tunes!

    Control the media, control the minds. That's why we like to knock out an enemy's broadcasts during war and replace them with our own Commando Solo broadcasts.

  76. It isn't just "media" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am not in the business and I really don't know what I am talking about (I know very little about business, marketing, music, media) so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

    It seems to me that media almost equals "entertainment." Even the news these days (except for maybe your local news) is in essence a form of entertainment. Sure we need to be aware of what is happening in the world but if it isn't selling ads or it doesn't have enough viewers, the format will be adjusted to gain market share. Almost nightly you can switch from NBC, ABC, and CBS and see almost exactly the same stories at almost exactly the same moment because that is how the formula works.

    On radio, you can listen to too many sound alike songs on too many sound alike stations, because that is how the formula works - and the formula is what is proven to get the most listeners and make the most profit from ad sales.

    I'd sure like more local programming on both TV and radio. I'd like to see less polished matterial too. I'd love to hear local music on local radio stations, knowing that the band I hear on the radio today, I can go to the bar tonight and hear. I'd love to see local talent on a local TV station produced by local people that know their local audience.

    But it ain't gonna happen. ad time is bought and sold by middlemen. They won't pay the rates that they will pay for a network show. Not even when you break it down to price per person. Why? Mediocrity rules I think. If they miss the target but can show the formula said this should have worked, they still have a job and a fat paycheck. If they took a risk and blew it, they would be out of work.

    Pitchmen also bring the music to the stations and pretty much tell the stations what to play. It is coupled to everything from advertising dollars to upcomming concerts to who knows what else? A program director who does not play ball quickly finds out that the station loses revenue if he won't play the game. So, he plays the game.

    Little guys deserve a chance but somehow, I figure it ain't gonna happen.

  77. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by invenustus · · Score: 1

    I suggest that most slashdot types are libertarian in their political thought. Not Libertarian(tm), but libertarian in thought.

    It seemed that way a few years ago, but I'm not sure anymore. Glancing at this thread, opinion seems almost unanimous in favor of government's controlling who can and cannot broadcast over the air. Maybe I'll suggest to ChrisD that we have some more political polls.

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  78. Sending us back a century by Slime-dogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like an old-school claim, but this really does set us back a century. We'll take a look at it: Huge media giant buys up a bunch of smaller television stations, and doubles commercial time. Instead of watching a television show, we will be watching a string of commercials with small breaks in between.

    This isn't so bad, however. This will push the mass of people that don't want to read for entertainment onto the internet. I spend more time on-line than in front of television. Those that get fed up with the mass abusage of the internet will give up, go to IRC or start reading books for entertainment.

    Reading is awesome. I think that everyone's time is better spent reading a book instead of watching a television. Reading affects your articulation skills, enhances spelling ability, and grows your vocabulary. People will eventually get smarter over time, and will be more interesting to speak with.

    All of this because some huge media company decided to give ads instead of content. I already gave up on listening to the radio.

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  79. Re:left wing Liberal Media pigs by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 1
    Me? I'll come right out and admit where I am. I am a Big R Republican. I was a little l libertarian, and was actually about to make the leap into big L Libertarian party politics. Then, I decided that Big R is closer to "l" than Big D. A vote for a big "L" was a vote for a big "D". Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. I decided, I have to choose a side.

    The problem with the US electorate is that the majority thinks that way. By 'that way' I mean the thought that there are only 2 options on the ballot. Oddly enough, the folks that have the most influence over that opinion are the Clear Channels of the world. As long as the Big Ds and Big Rs are in power, the system isn't going to change. So the media conglomerates downplay the chances that 3rd party candidates have and describe those votes as 'wasted votes' or effectively as a vote for the opposition.

    If the electorate would instead bother to educate themselves a little bit about the wide variety of options available and then vote their conscience, there would be a chance to unseat some of these morons that are in office now (by 'now' I mean most folks at the federal level for the past 2 decades or more).

    People that continue to believe that it can't happen should refer back to the 1998 election of the Minnesota governor. Most people thought a 3rd party candidate couldn't win the office, but Ventura did. It doesn't happen more often because the people in control now don't want to see any drastic change in the system. New ideas aren't welcome. The so-called liberal media - controlled by multinational conglomerates - doesn't want to see it change either.

  80. Re:Dissolve Clearchannel mp3, cds, audio books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Radio has been on the decline in the US since the 60's. And it has very little to do with Clear Channel.
    Both Radio and Network TV suffer from the same egregious yet completely innocent malaise. Fractionated audiences. People have millions of choices to make and they are making choices that do not help the radio and TV stations.
    Radio was great back in the day. It was actually fun to listen to the radio, but those days are long gone. Even AM radio was good.
    Whose to blame? WE ARE.
    I can drive for almost a two weeks straight and never hear the same song twice, listening to MY mp3s on my stereo in the car. When I get home, I can listen to MY mp3s (actually oggs) for hour upon hour and never hear one stupid friggen advertisement.
    So leave the conspiracy theories for the morons that wrote the X-Files and accept that radio that we knew and loved has died. It will not come back even if you liberal wankers get your legislator to kill off Clear Channel.

  81. From NYTimes Op/Ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May 13, 2003
    The China Syndrome
    By PAUL KRUGMAN

    A funny thing happened during the Iraq war: many Americans turned to the BBC for their TV news. They were looking for an alternative point of view -- something they couldn't find on domestic networks, which, in the words of the BBC's director general, "wrapped themselves in the American flag and substituted patriotism for impartiality."

    Leave aside the rights and wrongs of the war itself, and consider the paradox. The BBC is owned by the British government, and one might have expected it to support that government's policies. In fact, however, it tried hard -- too hard, its critics say -- to stay impartial. America's TV networks are privately owned, yet they behaved like state-run media.

    What explains this paradox? It may have something to do with the China syndrome. No, not the one involving nuclear reactors -- the one exhibited by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation when dealing with the government of the People's Republic.

    In the United States, Mr. Murdoch's media empire -- which includes Fox News and The New York Post -- is known for its flag-waving patriotism. But all that patriotism didn't stop him from, as a Fortune article put it, "pandering to China's repressive regime to get his programming into that vast market." The pandering included dropping the BBC's World Service -- which reports news China's government doesn't want disseminated -- from his satellite programming, and having his publishing company cancel the publication of a book critical of the Chinese regime.

    Can something like that happen in this country? Of course it can. Through its policy decisions -- especially, though not only, decisions involving media regulation -- the U.S. government can reward media companies that please it, punish those that don't. This gives private networks an incentive to curry favor with those in power. Yet because the networks aren't government-owned, they aren't subject to the kind of scrutiny faced by the BBC, which must take care not to seem like a tool of the ruling party. So we shouldn't be surprised if America's "independent" television is far more deferential to those in power than the state-run systems in Britain or -- for another example -- Israel.

    A recent report by Stephen Labaton of The Times contained a nice illustration of the U.S. government's ability to reward media companies that do what it wants. The issue was a proposal by Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, to relax regulations on media ownership. The proposal, formally presented yesterday, may be summarized as a plan to let the bigger fish eat more of the smaller fish. Big media companies will be allowed to have a larger share of the national market and own more TV stations in any given local market, and many restrictions on "cross-ownership" -- owning radio stations, TV stations and newspapers in the same local market -- will be lifted.

    The plan's defects aside -- it will further reduce the diversity of news available to most people -- what struck me was the horse-trading involved. One media group wrote to Mr. Powell, dropping its opposition to part of his plan "in return for favorable commission action" on another matter. That was indiscreet, but you'd have to be very naïve not to imagine that there are a lot of implicit quid pro quos out there.

    And the implicit trading surely extends to news content. Imagine a TV news executive considering whether to run a major story that might damage the Bush administration -- say, a follow-up on Senator Bob Graham's charge that a Congressional report on Sept. 11 has been kept classified because it would raise embarrassing questions about the administration's performance. Surely it would occur to that executive that the administration could punish any network running that story.

    Meanwhile, both the formal rules and the codes of ethics that formerly prevented blatant partisanship are gone or ignored. Neil Cavuto of Fox News is an anchor, not a commentator.

  82. I rate them about the same. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    Along with howard. I just dont like them quite as much day to day.

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  83. Local Boadcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Help suuport a locally owned station. WDKX.com

  84. calling your bluff by Dan+Crash · · Score: 1

    We don't have to fantasize about what an FCC-less radio market would look like. Once upon a time, there was no FCC. We did live in a libertarian radio utopia. Anyone who wanted to could build a transmitter and broadcast freely.

    What happened in this magical free market? Well, since everyone could broadcast, there was so much interference that radio became useless as a medium. To save the medium, radio manufacturers and large commercial broadcasters lobbied for the creation of the FCC and the system of regulation and allocation we use today.

    So, to sum up, we tried a free market solution and it didn't work. That's why the FCC exists.

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    1. Re:calling your bluff by elefantstn · · Score: 1

      I didn't say we needed to completely deregulate the market and let anyone who wants broadcast as powerfully as they want, I said that the current situation is not a free market. I was simply responding to the original poster who claimed that a Clear Channel near-monopoly would be a failure of the free market.

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  85. Re:And you wonder why radio sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "President" and "Vice President" really wouldn't be politicians, they would businessmen with strong ties to big corporations and they would give favor to their former companies once they got in power. You konw sort of like a bonus for "making it to the top".

    And how this is diffrent from what we have now?

  86. Krugmann by rMortyH · · Score: 1


    This article in the NY times is one of the best things I've seen on the subject, so I have to pass it along.

    It's true that it is very hard to find an alternative viewpoint in the media in this country, and surprising when the press is so profit-driven. This is the best explanation of this problem that I've seen so far, and suggests that it is this very profit motive that causes large media companies to take the side of the party in power.

  87. Krugman piece on FCC horse trading... (oops) by rMortyH · · Score: 3, Interesting


    This article in the NY times is one of the best things I've seen on the subject, so I had to pass it along.

    It's true that it is very hard to find an alternative viewpoint in the media in this country, and surprising when the press is so profit-driven. This is the best explanation of this problem that I've seen so far, and suggests that it is this very profit motive that causes large media companies in the US to take the side of the party in power.

    Very interesting and important.

    (previous submission accidental)

  88. Clear Channel is a NASTY company! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used to work for them as an Engineer. I resigned (with over a months notice to them and for a huge raise), then a year later after being laid off, tried to return. You can't...pure and simple. There's a blacklist, and because I resigned, I'm on it. What's even more amazing is that they actually TOLD me about it when I called to find out what was going on (I suspected something was amiss). Clear Channel controls almost half the engineering jobs in Radio, and now the FCC wants to reward them for being nasty by allowing them to control half the jobs in Television? Somethings very wrong here.......

  89. CC has a lobbying arm funded by payroll deductions by Newer+Guy · · Score: 1

    And let me tell you, there's huge implied pressure to join. All the candidates they support are conservatives too. Plus, look at their stations organizing political rallies supporting Bush and the IRAQ war, and promoting them on the air ad nauseum. Where's the Fairness Doctrine now that we need it?

  90. By the way, I speak from personal experience by Newer+Guy · · Score: 1

    I used to work there, and many of my friends still do....None of them are happy. None of them enjoy their jobs. The word: "sweatshop" has been mentioned. It's pretty accurate these days there.

  91. WNCW 88.7 FM by wayward_son · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I've heard everything from bluegrass to Dave Matthews Band on this station. They're run out of a small community college in Spindale, NC. Like no other station on the air. I just wish they had a more powerful transmitter.

    As for opening up the spectrum: Some of us still have analog radios in our cars. I am roughly equdistant between 3 stations, two of which I listen to frequently: 103.7, 103.9, & 104.1. I'll go around a curve and the station will change on me! There needs to be some separation between the stations.

  92. This decision has been long been made.. by msoftsucks · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FCC has already decided that it will allow companies to own much more than they can now. The FCC director stated that this oh so important decision does not need any debate. He tried to shut down the debate by refusing to fund town meetings around the country debating this and informing the general public. He has definitely been bought by the likes of Clear Channel. This will further erode democracy in this country, and if you now hate DMCA and its ilk, wait until the next pass. Laws like DMCA and PATRIOT 2 get passed because there is a lack of healthy debate. It has been shown time and time again that Clear Channel refuses to report on such items. If you don't believe me, when was this particular debate even mentioned on any of Clear Channel's stations? The only time that I saw this reported was on a PBS program called "NOW with Bill Moyers". This was an excellent program that tried to look at the issue from all sides. You can find an in-depth discussion at http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/bigmedia.html
    Little by little our rights are being taken away from us. Just look at all of the recent laws implemented, DMCA, copyrights, PATRIOT act etc.

    We need to act now, before the decision has been rendered. Once it has, there is very little chance of getting it changed. What's at stake is the very nature of democracy in this country. There is no way to rectify this if a bad decision is made. How do we rectify this in 10 years from now, once Clear Channel has bought up the few remaining independent stations? Do we really expect that at that point, a healthy debate about breaking up Clear Channel will be allowed by Clear Channel?

    Clear Channel says it needs to be allowed to buy the remaining independent stations in order to become profitable. If they haven't become profitable at this size, what makes us believe that will become profitable when they have taken over the rest? Lets face it folks, these guys are lying to us saying that they are not profitable. They are quite profitable now, and what's really driving this is pure greed at the expense of this country's core values. They are destroying this country at the expense of a few bucks. Enough is enough.

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    1. Re:This decision has been long been made.. by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      Actually it is true, Clear Channel is not profit able, Here is their Income Statement They lost alot of money last year, mainly due to the fact that they have overpaid for the stations that they have been buying. Now Clear Channel may need to purchase more stations to stay afloat but the US does not need Clear Channel. They would all become assets of someone else who actually knows how to make a profit instead of just buy lots of other stations.

      Another great example is Time-Warner, they bought all these magazines, television stations, AOL whatever they could get their hands on, what happened they don't know what to do with it and it is falling apart. Clear Channel is following the same path.

    2. Re:This decision has been long been made.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the who fucking Bush administration. And the rest of the Republicans. And the Democrats, to a lesser extent. They're all selling out to the fucking highest bidder. Our sorry ass unelected prosident is going to spend more on the military and interest payments than rich people pay in taxes each year pretty soon at the rate his economic policies are going.

    3. Re:This decision has been long been made.. by msoftsucks · · Score: 1

      Agreed, on paper Clear Channel looks like its losing money. But when you further look into their finances, you see alot of money shuffling. What they are effectively doing is funneling out of the company monies to make themselves look like they are losing money. At last count, my firm (I work in finance) has counted almost $1Billion USD that has been syphoned out of the company. How much you want to make a bet, that once the FCC loosens the restrictions, that this money will be used to fund the next round of purchases?

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  93. Make a Difference About This (takes 30 seconds) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a link to an online petition. Fill it out and click on the submit button:

    http://www.commoncause.org/action/petition.cfm

    This is probably the single most important event that will impact the future of American Democracy. Please take action.

  94. If I may steal an idea from politicalcompass.org.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Think of it two-dimensionally. Economic policy is one one axis, ranging from left (socialist) to right (lassez-faire(sp?) capitalist). On the other axis, we have social policy, ranging from liberal (US definition) to authoritarian.

    Capital-L Libertarians seem to be right-liberals, but Slashdot leans more toward left-liberal views. Democrats and Republicans hover around left- and right-center, respectively (though the "Republican" nutjobs from the "Christian" Coalition seem to get more authoritarian every day).

  95. The Internet by bagsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason I get my news and entertainment from the Internet is because TV and radio are now inferior goods.

    Free television is for people who cannot afford pay tv, and thus they get an inferior product. Cable is much better, but it is 'standard' and if you're anything like the rest of America, you're always wondering why you have 100 channels and nothing interesting to you.

    Radio is the same situation as free tv, except that they still have the captive car audience. Expect satellite radio to push clearchannel to increased suckiness as they try to corner the bottom of the market.

    Theres a reason mp3s are the desired medium of music. Radio is 90% shit, cds are 90% shit and overpriced, and mp3s are 100% controllable free and illegal. Hell, I watch the news stories I want now on my computer because I can't stand CNNs chatting or Foxs incessant republicanism.

    Once the market is mainstream, you sacrifice quality for consistency and mass production. You can get quality if you pay the cost and since the demand for quality is always higher (than demand for anything+quality), it will always be more expensive.

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    1. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't agree more. I don't listen to radio, and rarely watch TV.
      Those mediums are for morons who want content that will pander to their low level of intelligence.

  96. moveon.org has link to FCC comments/senators by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    You can send a letter to both the FCC comments page and to your senators here.

  97. WRPI by jefu · · Score: 1
    Back in the 80's I used to listen to WRPI which had station promos advertising itself as "The best radio station ..... Ever".

    And it was arguably true. Variety, oddness, serious weirdness (one day I listened to better than an hour of their station ID spots which ranged from silly to hilarious to disturbing - My favorite went something like "WRPI - the best radio station... ever. Example number seventeen. Our signoffs." Click - and they were gone. ) How many other radio stations would play one track from every album on their shelves in the order that they're shelved?

    And they were perenially under fire from the students for not being a top-40 type station. Sigh.

    I think we need more like it. Not more of that pablum crap that clearchannel wants to foist on us. Though I'm waiting for them to buy out NPR and completely destroy radio.

  98. Submiet Comments to the FCC Directly by CrookedFinger · · Score: 1

    Try going to the FCC's page and letting them know what you think... comments are being accepted here. (Select the third item down.)

  99. Capitalism tends towards monopoly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Movie at 11.

  100. In the words of the master... by fenix+down · · Score: 1
    "Do you want to have a good time?" said a voice from a doorway.

    "As far as I can tell," said Ford, "I'm having one. Thanks."

    "Are you rich?" said another.

    This made Ford laugh.

    He turned and opened his arms in a wide gesture. "Do I look rich?" he said.

    "Don't know," said the girl. "Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you'll get rich. I have a very special service for rich people ..."

    "Oh yes?" said Ford, intrigued but careful. "And what's that?"

    "I tell them it's OK to be rich."

    Gunfire erupted from a window high above them, but it was only a bass player getting shot for playing the wrong riff three times in a row, and bass players are two a penny in Han Dold City.

    Ford stopped and peered into the dark doorway.

    "You what?" he said.

    The girl laughed and stepped forward a little out of the shadow. She was tall, and had that kind of self-possessed shyness which is a great trick if you can do it.

    "It's my big number," she said. "I have a Master's degree in Social Economics and can be very convincing. People love it. Especially in this city."
  101. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sigs reply to wankers

  102. File Public comments and letters at MoveOn.org by Irvu · · Score: 1

    You can send in a public statement and a letter to your reps. Go here.

  103. Fox doesn't (always) suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are still a few good Fox shows. The Simpsons, That 70s Show, and Malcolm In the Middle. Those are all I can think of though, and I haven't watched the shit on NBC, CBS, or ABC in a long time. I keep finding myself watching freakin CSPAN or one of the 24/7 News channels, because even as biased and silly they can get, it's better than spending half an hour watching 14 minutes of retarded television and 16 minutes watching even more retarded commercials. I mean, shit, why should I sit there watching advertisements in my spare time? I would happily double the 2 cents or whatever the advertisers are paying for me to watch the show to watch it without commercials.!

  104. MOD THIS UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hilarious. mod this up. Almost so true it isn't funny.

  105. A modest proposal by hains · · Score: 1
    OK, if profits are driving this, let's change the tax rules to encourage companies to respect the public good.

    I propose that every company that owns radio broadast licenses be required to pay the federal government an annual tax of $1000 multiplied by the square of the number of licenses owned by that entire company. Thus your local independent radio station pays $1000 a year.

    ClearChannel, with ~1200 licenses, is welcome to continue operating as they are now provided they are willing to pay the US government $1000 x (1200)^2 = 1.44 billion dollars each year for the privilege.

    I suspect that they would quickly divest themselves of all but their 10 or so most profitable stations -- which is as it should be.