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MSN Client for Mac OS X
DrJonesAC2 writes "MSN has released its software client for Mac OS X today. This software functions just like the PC version with a few exceptions (like chat and money). This software launch has its glitches, however; you cannot download it from Microsoft's Mac site you need to go here to get it."
yes, Because QWEST provides dsl via MSN, so its natural to be part of MSN.
Setting aside issues about the evil empire, Microsoft products on mac frequently dont suck. (e.g. look at office) or at least they dont suck as bad like they do on windows platforms. Microsoft's mac unit often puts the rest of the comany to shame.
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There are some companies who use MSN for their off-site dialup access (Don't ask my why when there are cheaper alternatives).
With MSN for OSX the folks at those companies can use the 'approved' access method insted of having to poney up for their own dialup access. Esp helpful these days when most of the people I work with don't have their own dialup accounts anymore becuase they have switched to DSL/Cable at home for their Internet access.
Oh, boy. No, you're not a troll, but you are WOEFULLY underinformed.
Think of OS X as "UNIX plus." Okay? (Yes, this post sounds almost exactly like one from yesterday. That's because it's important enough to bear repeating.)
OS X has most of the application environments that are traditional in UNIX-based operating systems: the BSD environment (which includes libc and the other standard libraries) and X. (X is an optional install, but it's just a download from Apple.) It also includes things like OpenGL that are often found on UNIX-based operating systems.
OS X also includes Carbon, which is basically the Macintosh Toolbox with a few changes.
OS X also includes Classic, which is a VM that is essentially Mac OS 9.
OS X also includes Cocoa, which is basically NeXTstep.
OS X also includes the Java environment, including Swing.
A program for OS X can be written to run in ANY of these operating environments: BSD/X, Carbon, Classic, Cocoa, Java. (You can even mix and match them inside your application.)
Now, if an OS X application is written just for BSD or BSD+X, then it will easily port to another UNIX-based operating system that provides the same basic environment, like Linux or whatever.
However, nobody writes OS X software just for BSD or BSD+X, because the other environments are all drastically superior. And if a program is written for Carbon or Classic, then it can't be ported to anything other than a Mac. If a program is written for Cocoa, then it MIGHT be possible to port it back to NeXTstep or OpenStep or GNUstep, but only if it's a very simple program.
A Java program, of course, can run on any Java VM.
So what does all this mean? It means that when you say things like, "MS is developing products that will interface with that operating system. Maybe this could be a step in the direction of developing applications for the OSS community," you end up sounding like an idiot. Because software written for OS X has no more of a relationship with UNIX than software that was written for Windows, or for the original Mac OS.
Mac OS X is far more interesting and complicated than you realize.
You don't have to use MSN broadband with Qwest. I have DSL thru Qwest and use a third-party ISP (4dv.net). Not so much for the anti-M$ reasons, but because I get more features. MSN DSL still won't let you use gameservers or set up your own webserver.
I went to college for this?...
Isn't that a PC/IE trait? My IE for mac never used to give me that, nor Safari.
Hmm, just thought I'd bring that to light.
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The one thing that MSN lacks is TCP/IP based broadband access on a pre-existing service (cable modem or DSL). AOL has it. Let's say you have a cable modem and want to try MSN. Too bad, you can't unless you have a modem. Not true for AOL. If they add that feature and then possibly charge a lower monthly fee for that kind of access, I feel they would attract a much larger audience (read: parents who already have cable modem or DSL). I know of 5 families who got hooked on AOL even though they already had cable modem. Go figure...
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Well My OpenSource Mambo admin controls work fine in IE 5 , Moz, Safari, but not MSN Ver 2 errrr whatever it is.
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; PPC Mac OS X 10.2.6; Tasman 0.9; MSN 8.0; MSN Explorer 2.0; MSNbMSN; MSNmen-us; MSNc11)
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; PPC Mac OS X 10.2.6; Tasman 0.9; MSN 8.0; MSN Explorer 2.0; MSNbMSN; MSNmen-us; MSNc11)
Wow, even longer than most Gecko user agents: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030513 Mozilla Firebird/0.6
Thanks. So the answer is Tasman, the Mac IE engine. But 0.9? Either the Mac IE team didn't think Tasman never was 1.0 material or the MSN people forked it earlier. The former I think considering how long it has been out. Maybe the version of Tasman in the current Mac IE (5.12 I think) is even lower than 0.9. It is strange that it calls itself MSIE 6.0 though.
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> Microsoft products on Mac frequently don't suck
... tolerable. But they're obviously trying.
Shows the value of competition. Microsoft has to work as hard at the Mac market as any other software maker, so they're forced to compete. As a result, Office v.X was one of the first carbonized Mac applications (and used quite a few Mac OS X-specific features). Entourage is cool, Excel is really cool on the Mac, Word is okay, and PowerPoint is well
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