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Creating Car Free Cities

Silas writes "CarFree.com is a great site that "proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles." The site presents a fascinating, detailed proposal for a major city (1 million people in 100 square miles) that doesn't require the use of cars. This isn't a new concept; a lot of the ideas are modeled off of major car free cities in Europe (like Venice)." The page on Morocco is fascinating.

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  1. Whew! by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anything is better than the car-clogged cities we have today. Small trips have big cap fares as it takes longer to get there. I tried walking from one hotel to another in Las Vegas, I thought I was going to die from inhaling all of that pollution. At least Las Vegas is moving in the right direction with mono-rails (yes, MonoRail!)

    If only NYC and others followed with some awesome inovations.

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  2. Segway? by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was under the impression this is exactly what the Segway HT was designed to accomplish. Cleaning up cars obviously means much less pollution.

    It's a great concept in general- people would be more likely to walk to where they had to go, rather than drive half a mile to the store to pick up the ice cream and chocolate syrup.

  3. Let's see some simulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using the latest state of the art in city simulations, something like Sim City 4. Build the city, and see how well it does! Save the game and let us play with the results.

  4. Re:Not for me. by Wampus+Aurelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even with "emission free" cars, you still expend the energy to move the car to being with. Getting rid of pollution is an important goal, but the ultimate goal should be to conserve the environmental resources required to produce and operate cars. By creating a city in which cars are less necessary, you reduce the energy consumption of the average citizen, even after you factor in the energy required to operate the 24-hour mass transit systems.

  5. Re:Not for me. by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting
    To me, it seems the main reason of "banning cars" is to make the environment cleaner.

    ...consider that no cars = greatly increased public safety. Consider, too, that having that no cars would encourage diverse, "fun" neighborhoods--residences and businesses intermingled, instead of huge, dull blocks of houses. Things like neighborhood markets and restaurants would make a real comeback. And of course, there's always the very real health benefit of that much more walking on a daily basis...

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  6. My beautiful commute by markjugg · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here's what my commute looks like after giving up my car in Richmond, Indiana over a year ago. I'm happier, healthier, saving money, and loving it.

    I did have to make some lifestyle choices to make this happen: I choose to work downtown and chose to live close enough to walk, bike, skate or unicycle there.

  7. auto industry won't let it happen by Splork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they killed the public transport system in Los Angeles in the 30s, 40s and 50s for that exact purpose: force every person to need to own a car.

  8. People's Republic of Boulder by Chagatai · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One problem about this concept is that you have to fully dedicate to the concept and not start off with a city or town that already has cars going through it. Case in point: Boulder, Colorado, USA.

    Boulder is big into trying to dissuade people from driving cars and to use public transit or other means of getting around. People, bicycles, and other man-powered (or small engine-powered) vehicles have the right-of-way and will use and abuse this fact at any opportunity, walking in front of moving cars and riding against red lights. This causes nasty traffic jams, accidents, and generally pisses people off. The roads are quite cozy and not accomodating to any sort of car larger than a Honda Civic, like my pickup truck.

    I would love to live in an auto-free town, riding my bike and using monorails or whatever transport the city provides. But trying to adapt existing cities to this mindset is asking for nothing but trouble.

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  9. Living in Japan by Captain+Pooh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the Discovery Channel there is a show called Extreme Engineering. It looks like Japan is going to have some really cool designs to fix the growing population and urbran sprawl. One design is called Sky City which is a city in a building

  10. car free...culture challenge more than anything... by ptorrone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i've gone over 800 miles on a segway ht and was able to give up a car and save quite a bit of $ per month. the city of seattle (where i live) has a fleet of segway hts, and after a year long study they're going to double the fleet. the hardest part is the cultural issues, having a car is what everyone does. there will be many posts here that poke fun of my transportation choices, but i also use a bicycle, public transit and car pools, so it's all about choices and having them...something we should all encourage.

    first 800 miles

    info on city of seattle

    and interview i did with the city of seattle

    cheers,
    pt

  11. public transportation in NYC works well by g4dget · · Score: 5, Interesting
    NYC is one of the best cities for public transportation in the US. The subway system alone is extensive.


    But what many people overlook is that a large fraction of the cars are taxis and limousines. And taxis are fairly affordable.


    You can get by without a car in NYC because you can just flag down a cab any time, day or night. Widespread availability of taxis is an important part of a city free of (personal) automobiles. If other cities had a taxicab system as good as that in NYC, far fewer people would need cars. As a bonus, it is politically and practically much easier to convert taxi fleets to new standards (natural gas, hydrogen, electricity) than personal automobiles.

  12. Re:Venice? by LocoBurger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really thought that Venice was a really inappropriate example. I've spent a couple of days there, but it seems it's not really much of a real, functioning city. All the businesses I saw there were ice cream shops, jewelry stores, little restaurants, or museums. Just touristy stuff.

    As I understand it, the city of Venice is pretty much a tourist town, with modern Venice on the mainland (actually a different city, with a diifferent name that eludes me), an ugly blight of post-industrial wasteland, and a vast contrast to the gorgeous nearby Po river valley.

    In summary, Venice is a very poor example of a real city without cars. I really do like the premise of this website, but Venice is a bad example. Venice is for tourists anymore, not regular people living regular lives.

  13. A Pattern Language by Allen+Varney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some of the city-design ideas on this Carfree.com site echo those advanced over 25 years ago in the influential book A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander, Sara, Ishikawa, Murray Silverstein, and others. This book details a "working alternative to our present ideas about architecture, building, and planning," with over 250 specific advisories starting at the very high overview level ("Independent Regions" instead of our current nation-states) and moving in successive stages down through town design, becoming always more specific ("Mosaic of Subcultures," "Industrial Ribbon," "Nine Percent Parking," placement of food stands and bus stops), and then to low-level details of individual building design ("Sequence of Sitting Spaces," "Light on Two Sides of Every Room," very specific construction details, and "Paving With Cracks Between the Stones").

    A Pattern Language is a remarkable book, the principal influence on Stewart Brand's The Whole Earth Catalog and used by the city designers for the upcoming STAR WARS GALAXIES online game. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that its "patterns" concept influenced the current mode of "design patterns" among coders. For other examples of the book's influence, and of the theorists' current work, see their Web site, especially the overview of patterns.

  14. Re:CarFree.com by crazy_swimmer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (a) He did suggest seeing a doctor. We're all human and we're all capable of achieving a basic level of physical fitness. Anyone who says otherwise is as closed minded as someone who claims they could never learn to use a computer. He did put it a bit trollishly, though. I have to work really hard to keep up on the climbs with guys who are 60 lbs lighter than me.

    (b) You're absolutely right. I don't know what he's talking about. Something else to consider, though, is that if everyone on the road was riding a bike, the total energy of traffic would be less. On the average it would be safer for everyone. It's fairly rare for a bike-bike crash to be lethal, while car-car crashes tend to be much more dangerous.

    (c) Right again, riding on the sidewalk doesn't always make you safer. I've been hit by an SUV pulling into a driveway, a situation similiar to the ones you described. I was hella lucky. In February I got hit for real. My bike was toast. I have a huge nasty 'L'-shaped scar on my arm. Unless I am 100% sure that a driver sees me and is actually giving me the right of way, I stop and make eye contact with the driver before proceeding. It sounds overkill and it slows me down a bit in traffic, but it makes me feel safer.

    (d) Biking can be a lot of fun, and can allow one to travel much further than by walking. For example, it is six miles from UCLA to the beach; a bit far for walking but makes for a very comfortable distance bike ride.

  15. so you're saying it's great if you're rich by dj_virto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well that's cool, but what if you can't afford doormen, deliveries, handymen, restaurants (most of the time), cabs, etc ?

    I live in Houston, which is alot like Atlanta, but with much better roads. Yes, there are lots of crappy things about a motopia. There are also things that are good and bad, depending on your point of view. For example, it allow the middle class to seperate themselves fully from the lower classes, leaving most (until recently almost all) inner city neighbourhoods in Houston 99% lower class.

    I do prefer cities like London with their well developed public transport and a decent population. New York is a very different story, because it has such a massive underclass. You have to ride that train with a bunch of scum and watch your back when you get off. Then, you are much more vulnerable on foot to attack, rape, and murder. No thanks.

    What is the actual annual minimal cost for a car? If you can teach yourself how to fix basic problems, and buy a used for $1000 that you can probably keep going for about 2 years, that's $500/year. Insurance at a cut rate place runs _up to_ $60 if you answer the questions correctly (no tickets, no accidents, whatever the truth). That's $720 a year. Then, a liberal estimate of gas costs for a full fledged commute acorss Houston is something like $100 a month, for $1200 per year. Add in $200 a year for parts. What is the total? $3,200 per year, $260 per month.

    I was unable to find a yearly total for NY, but a one year pass on London Transport, which includes tube and buses, would run you between $1000 and $2250 depending on what zones you need.

    http://www.londontransport.co.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/fares -tickets-may2003.pdf