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Nmap Featured in The Matrix Reloaded

rajiv was among dozens to report that unlike most "Hacks" in film, The Matrix reloaded actually has an ounce of reality where other films would rely on fancy 3D graphics. You can see more at Insecure.org where they have screenshots. It's only on screen for a split second, but Tritnity uses Nmap to find a vulnerable SSH server, and then exploits it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit from 2001.

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  1. Nice Password by krisp · · Score: 3

    I like her password: Zion1010

    1. Re:Nice Password by 2MuchC0ffeeMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, she speaks l33t, so it's Z10N0101 ... :)

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    2. Re:Nice Password by cubedbee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's Zion0101, i.e Zion5. This is the fifth incarnation of the city, after all. But nobody is supposed to know that...

    3. Re:Nice Password by usr122122121 · · Score: 3, Funny
      I thought it was actually the 7th incarnation of the city -- 6 saviors came before, after all.
      Well, if you take all the zeros and letters out of the password "Z10N0101", you're left with "111", which is 7 in binary.

      Coincidence? PERHAPS NOT. :-p

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      -braxton
    4. Re:Nice Password by salimma · · Score: 2, Interesting
      101 is featured a lot in the film

      Was not there a room 101 in George Orwell's 1984? The torture chamber where you face your worst nightmares?
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      Fedora Project Contribut
    5. Re:Nice Password by GMontag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes and he pulled that from real life from when he worked at the BBC. Room 101 was the room where the editors worked.

      Many of his experiences from the BBC and other places made it into his books, like the cleaning women singing in the halls in thee early morning hours became the proles singing in 1984. Bad, sand-dry tobacco during the Spanish Revolution-Civil-War (Homage to Catalonia) that ran out of the cigarette before you could smoke it became Victory cigarettes in 1984, etc.

      Good catch!

    6. Re:Nice Password by BarakMich · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mmm... it's been alluded to, but not said flat out, by others.

      It's the 5th incarnation of the city, with the 6th "One"
      In the beginning, there wouldn't be a Zion, but there would be the first "One", who, through the whole process, would create the first Zion. He'd die of age, and this Zion would survive until the 2nd "One"... so on, so forth.
      Neo is the 6th "One", coming from the 5th Zion -- if he were to go through the other door, he would create the 6th Zion.

      Some here understand this progression. Some don't. Hope this helps

    7. Re:Nice Password by martyn+s · · Score: 2, Informative

      01 is the name of the first robot city/nation, where the robots originally go to seek refuge from the awful humans (yes, i say awful with some irony). Anyway, now, Zion is the last remaining human city where the humans seek refuge from the robots. It has been speculated that Zion and Zero-One (01) are the same city. Even if they are not the same actual, their similar names symbolize their similar purposes.

      Hence, the password puts the two together, Zion and 01.

    8. Re:Nice Password by rutledjw · · Score: 3, Informative
      Are you sure? I thought that the Merillynchian (whatever, the guy who had the twins) said "I've survived your 5 predecessors and I'll survive you as well".

      Wouldn't that mean the first "Neo" built the first Zion, second Neo built the second, etc and now it's the 5th Zion that about to get wasted? This Neo will / was supposed to build Zion 6?

      I could be wrong, but I THOUGHT that's what I heard. The Architect also said the 5 before you, didn't he?

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      Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
    9. Re:Nice Password by ANTI · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah,
      nice pwd.

      And I guess I'll have to change the root password on all our boxes again ;)

      --
      On the other side of the screen it all looked so easy.
    10. Re:Nice Password by soundofthemoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Zion0101 is the 6th Zion.

      It's zero-based, duh.

  2. Uhm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In response to :-

    > The Matrix reloaded actually has an ounce of
    > reality where other films would rely on fancy
    > 3D graphics.

    So in several hundred years time people STILL won't have patched their bloody SSH holes?

    Yah actually I guess that is reality ;o)

    AL

    1. Re:Uhm... by marx · · Score: 5, Informative
      So in several hundred years time people STILL won't have patched their bloody SSH holes?
      Inside the Matrix it's present time, and the exploit was launched against a standard power plant computer, not against a Matrix computer.

      So it's accurate.

    2. Re:Uhm... by Ann1ka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the matrix they are only a few months or a year after the first movie, which took place in the year 1999. The date in the 'real' world is unknown, but believed to be 2199, which is totally irrelevant to this matter.
      So if the exploit had already been possible in 1999/2000 it would have been correct. On the other hand, the matrix is fake, there is no reason to believe the machines based it on real facts from so many years back, from their perspectieve.

      The first time they try to keep it correct and still people are complaining.

    3. Re:Uhm... by CoolVibe · · Score: 3, Insightful
      check the IP number (10.x.x.x, private IANA), it was not on the public internet...

    4. Re:Uhm... by soulsteal · · Score: 4, Informative

      While you're correct in saying that mission-critical private servers don't belong on public networks, look at the circumstances:

      She's IN the power plant.
      She's running the attack on a PRIVATE IP address.

      Personally, I think she wasn't on "teh Intarweb!!1"

    5. Re:Uhm... by MattCohn.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not entirly acurate...

    6. Re:Uhm... by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes this is all assuming that there isn't a meta-matrix in which the matrix is run. It seems pretty obvious to me that that is what the last scene was trying to portray in a subtle way.

      And if there is a meta-matrix, what prevents having a meta-meta-matrix and so on? Its really impossible to speculate the age of the matrix based on this information.

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    7. Re:Uhm... by edunbar93 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      check the IP number (10.x.x.x, private IANA), it was not on the public internet...

      Heh. So?

      So that means that the guys who were doing the hacking previous to Trinity's arrival broke into the public network (or, perhaps they don't have one, but instead the building they were in was appropriately inside their private network) and she was working from a unix box inside the private network that the power station was on. It's like how a lot of crackers these days say that networks tend to be like porcupines: hard and secure on the outside, but nice and soft underneath. They probably never bothered to secure their old SSH1 daemons because they were secure in the belief that noone would get far enough to exploit it. :)

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      "No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
    8. Re:Uhm... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, I disagree.

      I believe that when Neo thought he was leaving the Architect's room, he didn't. He entered a sub-simulation, created by the Architect, that included imitations of Trinity et al. This included even the imitation of "leaving" the matrix.

      In other words, I think the third movie will open with Neo back in the Architect's room.

      --
      "Stumble before you crawl"
    9. Re:Uhm... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanneds
      # sshnuke 66.35.250.150 -rootpw="z10n0101"
      Connecting to 66.35.250.150:ssh ... successful.
      Attempting to exploit SSHv1 CRC32 ... successful.
      Resetting root password to "z10n0101".
      System open: Access level
      # ssh 66.35.250.150 -l root
      root@66.35.250.150's password: :)

      I thought it was interesting that access level was '9' because '0' is the UID for the root account. What might this '9' indicate? Maybe it's something they added/changed to not promovide crackers with all-too-much pertinent information? "Oh no, I gained access, but it's only level 0. I guess I'll have to try elsewhere." I don't doubt that at least one person will be exploited by this, as a direct result of this film.

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    10. Re:Uhm... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly.

      The only other alternatives I can think of at the moment are:
      1: Neo's power, unbeknownst to him, actually extends to distorting the real world, not just the matrix. This seems implausible and undesireably theological.
      2: Neo's power extends to controlling the machines somehow in or outside of the matrix. This could be a result of the machines' conception of Neo always including his matrix-bending powers. In other words, this would be a programming flaw in the machines. This seems a little lame.
      3: The ENTIRE "real world", including Zion, is inside the matrix. Just as the oracle seems to be part of a control scheme, so is the supposed ability to leave the matrix. I like this explanation, although its a bit dark for most people: it would be a serious philosophical blow to Morpheus, of course.

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      "Stumble before you crawl"
    11. Re:Uhm... by Nathaniel · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Yes this is all assuming that there isn't a meta-matrix in which the matrix is run. It seems pretty obvious to me that that is what the last scene was trying to portray in a subtle way.

      And if there is a meta-matrix, what prevents having a meta-meta-matrix and so on? Its really impossible to speculate the age of the matrix based on this information."

      Yeah, so there's a meta matrix, and Neo has woken up in that outer world, which explains the coma.

      Right, whatever.

      So I expect the third movie will go something like this: Neo realizes he is in the meta matrix, and begins to wonder if there is a meta meta matrix. He tries to wake up from that matrix, by hitting something to see if it also feels 'wrong'. Repeat this a few times, and Neo is just diving out windows each time he 'wakes up', until at the end of the third movie we see some pimple-faced kid take a dive out a high-rise apartment complex, and the movie ends with a news crew interviewing neighbors, who blame teen suicide on these new immersive video games.

  3. And there was much rejoicing.. by Trevalyx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I went to the 1AM showing on release night, there were a lot of interesting people.. When it got to the hacking scene, only a few people cheered, however, they did it with enough vigor that everyone else was caught of guard.. And when I tried to explain to the guy nibbling his foot next to me, "Nmap," I just got a blank stare...

  4. zero-day warez screenshots? by Speare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where did the nmap folks get all these screenshots of a movie that's ostensibly fresh-in-theaters? And why oh why did they name their sources? I'm imagining Agent Smith from the MPAA will be giving out a few cease and desist visits soon.

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    1. Re:zero-day warez screenshots? by ThePatrioticFuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you read the article @ Insecure, the guy says when he heard it was in the movie, he asked if anybody could send him some screen captures and ended up being flooded with pics, video, etc. And mentions he found it strange that many of them showed Windows Media Player in the capture :) TPF

  5. No IPv6 huh? by hillct · · Score: 5, Funny

    Severla hundred years in the future and still, IPv6 hasn't been adopted. Personally, I'm not suprised. It'll take an act of god to get it deployed.

    --CTH

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    --Got Lists? | Top 95 Star Wars Line
    1. Re:No IPv6 huh? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even if everyone on Earth were ready to migrate to IPv6, it still wouldn't happen. As we found out in Independence Day, IPv4 is an entrenched *intergalactic* standard. There are just too many star systems involved to be able to roll out this upgrade in the forseeable future.

    2. Re:No IPv6 huh? by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Recall the first Matrix, where Agent Smith rants about the humans' deficiencies, and mentions the failure of an early beta version of the Matrix. It failed because they made the simulation too good, and people were missing all the pain and suffering.

      So they put IPv4 back in.

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      Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
    3. Re:No IPv6 huh? by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are aliens supposed to do without their evil bit?

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  6. Sexy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...Tritnity uses Nmap to find a vulnerable SSH server, and then exploits it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit from 2001.."

    Now THAT is sexy! :)

    1. Re:Sexy by geeber · · Score: 4, Funny

      mmmmm Trinity... She can exploit me any time she wants!

  7. Private Network! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now we know that we cannot hack into the Matrix from our Personal Computer:

    As you can see on the screenshot, the IP is 10.2.2.2, which is on the 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 network reserved for private usage.

    It's impossible to reach such an IP directly (without hacking their server / router / firewall first) from an arbitrary point of the Internet.

    Damn!

    1. Re:Private Network! by mrpuffypants · · Score: 4, Funny

      After assing the movie I promptly went home and changed my entire home IP network to the 10.2.2.x subnet. The home FreeBSD server is now 10.2.2.2, so everytime I jump in to modify the firewall or whatever I can feel like I'm "hacking the matrix" ...my life is pathetic :(

    2. Re:Private Network! by feldy · · Score: 5, Funny

      After assing the movie

      The sad thing is, I have no idea what verb you were actually trying to use.

    3. Re:Private Network! by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I tinted my terminal green after seeing it, so don't feel so ashamed ;)

    4. Re:Private Network! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      After assing the movie...

      Hey, I was at that theater and really... not liking the movie is still no excuse to run up and place your butt up on the screen.

    5. Re:Private Network! by the-build-chicken · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got dressed up in a tight black vinyl female suit, padded a bra, died my hair black and cut it short, put on lipstick.......yeah, green...I mean yeah, I turned my terminal green too...that's what i did

  8. Before you say it... by tbmaddux · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...exploits it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit from 2001.
    I'm sure there will be lots of funny jokes posted about using a 2001 exploit far into the future, patching systems, etc. etc. However, while the Matrix films are set in the future, the Matrix is set in the present, at the "peak of your civilization" according to Agent Smith. So it is appropriate for Trinity to hack a present-day system using a present-day exploit. She could even be ahead of her time, if the first movie was set in 1999 and it's only 6 months later, then the Matrix might not even have gotten through Y2K yet (did I just spoil the third movie).

    Aside from the amusing idea of having someone hack a computer program using their avatar inside the computer-generated construct of the Matrix, this sameness of the Matrix over long time periods raises an unanswered question in my mind. Why don't the people notice the lack of advancement in the Matrix? Over a hundred years of 1999-ness... no stunning advances in CGI, or science, or anything!

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    Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
    1. Re:Before you say it... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats the point: the world has progressed most likely. The matrix has apparently been running between 500 and 600 years (since The One is a systemic anomoly, and Morpheus makes repeated note that this current Zion has been around for 100 years, its likely that each One takes 100 years). Most likely, after the first [Utopic] Matrix failed, they did one of the following:

      1: To periodically reset the time in the matrix, by permitting all the adults to die while not maintaining crops of infants in suspended animation. Once the adults died, they would then revive the children, and have software "parents" raise them. I dont really like this option, it seems pretty unlikely.

      2: The first matrix after the Utopic failure was set in the 14th century, i.e. the beginnings of the Renaissance. This would fit with Smith's description of "the peak of your civilization", depending on your perspective, since this was the period of scientific enlightment. This also sits well with the Oracle's statement that the myths of supernatural creatures all derive from bugs/rogue programs in the Matrix. This also sits well with the idea of the first One appearing, since this was a period wherein people were dramatically reforming their conception of the universe.

      There are probably other solutions, but these are two I've thought of.

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      "Stumble before you crawl"
    2. Re:Before you say it... by beebware · · Score: 2, Funny

      They've evolved to become invisible flying cars - that's why you can't see them.

  9. nmap is easily fooled by Adam+Rightmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    While namp is a neat hack, before any of you juvenile deliquents think of using it to commit computer hacking felonies, be aware that it is easily fooled.

    If you look at the source code, you can see which ports it queries, and which responses it maps against. We used this for great affect at Adequacy, http://www.adequacy.org, editing the registry of our Win 2k box, and the configuration files of the various TCP/IP programs to make it appear as a simple FreeBSD to the casual hacker.

    Oh, the laughs were on us when those script children proceeded to attempt to hack us with canned scripts for use against FreeBSD, only to fail. The looks on their pimply, greasy faces were probably priceless, only to be matched when the local law enforcement arrived at their parents house to confiscate their computers.

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    1. Re:nmap is easily fooled by antsquish · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... and after all that work making it appear as a FreeBSD box, you go and confess to all of slashdot that it's really a Win2k box...... I guess that saves everyone a bit of work? :-)

    2. Re:nmap is easily fooled by Bananenrepublik · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm wondering why www.adequacy.org went down _now_? Maybe somehow someone found out about your top secret protection scheme?

    3. Re:nmap is easily fooled by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The truely funny part is that the stack is from BSD. MS went to a great deal of work to try and hide it (they failed miserably, but they still worked hard). Now, you try to make it look like BSD.

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    4. Re:nmap is easily fooled by Paddyish · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nice. You are, of course, operating under a number of false assumptions:

      1.) No script kiddies frequent /.
      2.) No true hackers frequent /.
      3.) NMap is the sole hacking tool used in the world.
      4.) Adequacy has adequate security to field an attack where a skilled attacker knows key information about the server and configuration.

      Based on these four false predicates, and the fact that Adequacy.com's server quickly went MIA after your post, I deduce that come Monday, you will be in a heap of shit and a world of hurt. Elementary, my dear Rightmann.

      Thanks for the laugh. Good luck on your new job hunt.

  10. Screen Shots ?! by gurnb · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do they have screen shots ?! Is it possible that this movie has been leaked out to the INTERNET?!

    It's madness I tell you, madness!!!

    Still waiting for disc 2 to d/l, so I can verify this for myself. Purely for educational reasons.

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    "This must be a Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays."
    1. Re:Screen Shots ?! by Istealmymusic · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Is there anything morally wrong with downloading an esoteric release of Reloaded online? I went to the movies, paid my money, contributing to the $44 billion or so profit of Warner Brothers. I don't feel guilty downloading a crappy quality VCD to notice all the details and things I missed. (But I did notice the terminal with ssh and nmap on it).

      Nothing wrong at all.

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      "The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
    2. Re:Screen Shots ?! by feepness · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there anything morally wrong with downloading an esoteric release of Reloaded online? I went to the movies, paid my money, contributing to the $44 billion or so profit of Warner Brothers. I don't feel guilty downloading a crappy quality VCD to notice all the details and things I missed. (But I did notice the terminal with ssh and nmap on it).

      Nothing wrong at all.


      It's irrelevant how you feel. Guilt is based on legality, under which you clearly are guilty. Whether it's wrong or not is an entirely different matter, but as a matter of principle I've always operated under "two wrongs don't make a right".

  11. lol.. by DaLiNKz · · Score: 3, Funny

    This was actually sorta cool when i read it in this story.. It was interesting to see her portscan then jump into the server.. The chick sittin next to me wasnt aware of anything about it because she doesnt use linux, but i was like "OI!!! Thats real! look look!!! SSH!!! LOOK!!" .. then a few people looked at me weird :s

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  12. Pix by spoonist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pictures can be found on Fyodor's site.

    Oh, and I must say, that Trinity freakin' kicks ass. As you can see from the pictures, nmap says "No exact OS matches for host". Trinity goes ahead and throws the sploit anyway without knowing the system's architecture AND IT WORKS!

    That just kicks ass.

    A big Eartha-Kitt-Cat-Woman growl for Trinity.

    1. Re:Pix by kampit · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah, and if you look at the pictures closer, you notice

      (The 1539 ports scanned but not shown below are in the state: closed)
      /t State Service
      /tcp open ssh


      So she does know there's an sshd running on the system, then she throws the 'spoit and it works.. maybe you'd prefer it if there had been a 3 hour sequence where she coded up her own exploit, DDoS'd the whole matrix and pranced around in the nude saying 'marvelous!', but sometimes you just have to make sacrifices to please the general audience :)
  13. A touch of realism. by Gray · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now if only that human body as a power supply thing made a lick of sense.

    I hope some Saberhagen Berserker's show up in the next movie and settle everybodies hash real good.

  14. future? by DreadSpoon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keep seeing posts about "in the future they still have this hole" or similiar items.

    Remember, folks, the hack wasn't taking place in the future - it was in the Matrix. They weren't hacking the machines, they were hacking the "fake" computers in the power plant.

    Think of it like hacking into an ancient copy of usermode linux. ;-)

  15. I can see it now... by iceT · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The envelope, please."

    "And the award for the best open-source hacking tool used in a motion picture goes to nmap, for it's cameo-appearence in Matrix: Reloaded"

    "Camera scans the audience where we see tripwire, sitting with his girlfriend ethereal... cuts to ndiff, who is just beaming w/ pride..."

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    -- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
  16. Bay Area by tedrlord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The great thing about watching the Matrix in a theater in Mountain View, CA, is that when that hacking scene came up, half the theater laughed or cheered. We're all geeks here.

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    1. Re:Bay Area by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They don't even bother putting a women's restroom in that theatre, huh?

    2. Re:Bay Area by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Mountain View, CA

      Yeah, but who wants to eat soy popcorn with soy flavored butter sprinkled with alfalfa sprouts?

  17. Well that's why she had to BREAK INTO the office! by cculianu · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you will remember the movie, that computer _was_ on a private network. She had to break into this private secure office building before she even began hacking. So she was behind the firewall already because she was physically in the building.

  18. Trilogy, not original vs. schmequel by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wonder how many times this has to be stated until people learn... The Matrix is a trilogy (like Back to the Future and LOTR), a single story split into three volumes/movies for convenience (because it's so long) and perhaps profit.

    The trilogy status hasn't been so obvious with The Matrix because, at the time of making the first part, the producers weren't sure if it would be worth it. As a side effect, the first part is a rather well contained story in itself, which is not a bad thing in a trilogy. Still, the first part left many important questions open, like the awakening of the rest of humanity, and any details on Zion.

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  19. Re:SSH: security through obscurity? by Quixotic+Raindrop · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, it's common for there to be exploits that are not generally well known. As long as you are aware of the bug that makes the exploits useful, and are made aware of how to patch ssh to prevent the bug from being exploited, it doesn't matter how many different exploits there are. If you have patched, or taken the advisory's other actions, you won't be affected by techniques that exploit that bug, whether public or not.

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  20. Reading too much into it... by Mossfoot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What gets me is how some people go out of their way to nippick the movie to pieces "oh this is stupid, this makes no sense" and others love it so much that they read WAY too much into it.

    Take all the religous and phylosphical stuff about it. Yes, there is a lot of connections in there, it was put in the same way that other good story tellers use myth to make their world and stories feel more real and grander. The first Star Wars trilogy comes to mind. But then you have people who think every little thing is an intentional reference to something or other.

    One example. I heard that Neo dies for 72 seconds before he comes back to represent the 72 hours (3 days) Jesus died. I timed it, and it's crap. You can find 72 seconds in there, sure, but there is no place you can say "okay logically you start Neo's death here and his coming back to life here" and it adds up to 72 seconds. Very fuzzy logic going on there. But it is symtimatic of how much people want to find meaning in things like this.

    Is this a bad thing? Perhaps. One of the complaints I've heard of the sequal is that it's trying even harder to sound psudo-religious-phylosophical as a result of this faction of the fandom base.

    Tolkien said it best when he got annoyed at how people thought The Lord of the Rings was an analogy for World War 2 (and would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how people tried to equate the movies with September 11 and the war against terrorism).

    "I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'alegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author"

    Hey, didn't Morpheus himself say "free your mind"? Stop thinking every gawd damn word is meant to be spiritually profound! :P

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  22. Re:My 2 cents... by treat · · Score: 2, Informative
    to stop someone else logging in and stopping you?

    1) You have not stopped telnet or other services run from inetd.
    2) Killall only does what you think it does on Linux. On Solaris, for instance, it does something rather more destructive.
    3) getty is started from init, killing it won't help.
    4) killing login will only stop people in the middle of logging in.

  23. Line deleted from the original script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I know this. It's a Unix system!"

  24. Theories and Spoilers by neema · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Off-topic on the nmap discussion, but on-topic as far the Matrix goes, here is something I just thought of. It's pack full of spoilers for reloaded and speculation about revolutions, so consider that your warning.

    SPOILERS AND SPECULATION FOLLOW:

    Now, the theory that Zion is really a matrix within a matrix has been floating around and I happen to agree with it. The premise of the movie, I think, is that not only is Neo "The One" from the first layer of the matrix (which was exposed in the first movie), but happens also to be the small percentage that becomes "The One" in the second layer of the matrix, something the machines didn't count on.

    As for him having to make a decision between saving Trinity and saving mankind, I don't think he's gotten to the choice yet and that will come in revolutions. The Architect said that the expulsion of humans from the first matrix servered a purpose for the machines, so, theoretically, perhaps Morpheus, Trinity and the rest of them are actually computer programs, to assist moving the dissident population of the first layer of the matrix to the second layer. Of course, there is a possibility they are not aware of their own existance. This would explain Morpheus' adamant belief in "The One" (it's been programmed in him). Of course, Neo's love for Trinity complicates things and I think that will be the choice in the third matrix. He will have to decide between destroying this second layer of the matrix, which would destroy Trinity the computer program too, or preserving it because of his love for her.

    Feel free to point out flaws, because I'd really appreciate that.

    1. Re:Theories and Spoilers by Jason+H.+Smith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just got back from my third viewing tonight. It took that many times for all that architect talk to sink in. A few thoughts...

      First, AFAICT, they are definitely still in the Matrix. The architect is intentionally difficult to follow, but I think his point was, the 99% acceptance rate is nice, but something must be done with those who do not accept. And the answer is simply have the Matrix make them think they busted out. Also, there's no need for any meta-Matrix, as the first Matrix could easily simulate the escape. Think chroot vs. user-mode Linux. But that's a small point.

      If you watch again, you will notice the Merelvengian (sp) say that Neo's predecessors had much more respect, and also that he has survived those predecessors, and he will survive Neo. But that's all said before you know what he means. But what I got is that eventually, the shit hits the fan, and they just reboot the whole damned thing every hundred years or so (not a bad uptime).

      Also, unlike you, I think he made the choice. Neo chose not to go to the source. At first, I thought this was weird, because the Neos on TV did the same. I thought this was the previous recordings (i.e. all 6 made the same choice); but after watching again, it looks like the TVs are showing now, not the past. That makes sense. This is the first time Neo made the wrong choice. I'm thinking this fits the Hollywood formula pretty well. The previous 5 Neos were simply benevolent mankind-lovers; but this time, we get the predictable theme that love conquers all or such.

      I thought it was pretty cool, but the plot is treading into dangerous ground. When you start blurring reality with dreams, you're walking on cheesy, overused deus ex machina storylines. It's easy to get lame and make crap. E.g. look at how dumb Existenz ended up being. But then, I liked Total Recall, so there is hope for a great finale.

      So I think there's still a lot up for grabs. Since Zion and the war are still a computer simulation, for all we know, there might not even be a war going on at all! Although there probably is, since it wouldn't be very Hollywood to just handwave away two movies worth of bad guys.

      Anyway, I'm thinking now that they know they're still in the matrix, perhaps the people in Zion will start breaking the rules and have some actual means of fighting the approaching machine army? Or maybe they'll all just pop up a level, leaving the machine army there to twiddle their thumbs.

    2. Re:Theories and Spoilers by OmniVector · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ****SPOILER ALERT****

      I think the best explination i've heard, or at least the one I like the most, is someone said Neo is really just a computer program too. The purpose of Neo, and the whole reason 5 different versions of him have existed alreay, is to try and find the "perfect" AI. The Matrix is really run by humans, the the humans are trying to find a version of Neo that will truely be human enough to be considedered actual AI.

      If you remember where Trinity types in her password to crack the power system, Z1ON0101, the binary 0101 translates to 5. Is Trinity aware of this being the 5th incarnation through the fact that she too is just a computer program or is this just odd coincidence?

      For the people who say the 2nd was too much action, and not enough plot i think it was twice the plot and action... This second one raises a lot more mindfuck questions.

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    3. Re:Theories and Spoilers by Kirijini · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think Neo and Trinity are programs.

      I think the idea that Neo is a project to develop AI is interesting, but in that case, no one else can be a program, because then they would also require AI, and if Neo is the project to develop AI... then...? those ideas are mutually exclusive.

      I don't think that Trinity and Neo are programs, simply because they fall in love. That's a stereotypical non-machine thing to do.

      Morpheus, however, very well could be a program. Think about it - Morpheus's role must always be fulfilled in each iteration of the Matrix. He has a singular purpose - to find Neo, train him, make him believe in the prophecy, and then fulfill it. Everyone else - Trinity, Niobe, the council, Tank, Dozer, Cypher, etc. are all just peripheral roles that could be done by anyone. Neo, due to his nature as the One, may or may not be a program, though I think he isn't. Without Morpheus, no one would believe the prophecy, and consquently, the One (which I just now realize is an anagram of Neo. Feel kinda stupid about that) would never be found. Therefore, Morpheus is required for the cycle, just as are the Oracle and Keymaker.

  25. "Alias" by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The "Alias" series on TV also features quite realistic computer manipulation. SSH, "ping -f", traceroutes, recompiles, etc...

    They pushed realism quite far: in one particular episode (can't remember the name, but this scene takes place in Mexico), one of the agents goes undercover as a DJ, and uses an iBook (macs are popular among musicians and DJ's) instead of his PC laptop, for more realism... Cool :)

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  26. Re:Lies by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Funny
    I knew this story was a lie when you mentioned a chick sitting next to you.

    Your mind is closed, Grasshopper. You see only with your eyes. You think only what you wish to think. Close your eyes, Grasshopper. Open your mind.

    I also was sitting next to a really hot chick at The Matrix, but I didn't dare ask her name for fear of what her boyfriend would do to me.
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  27. Re:I KNEW it was too good to be true by caluml · · Score: 4, Funny
    Or to put it another way - maybe all script kiddies are like Trinity? :)

    Maybe the pimply-faced 14 year old stereotype is just a myth put about by the gorgeous women that actually deface websites, and DDoS IRC networks?

    I mean, who's **actually** met a script kiddie?

  28. Re:There's some other strange things too. by turbod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever heard of custom software?

    Besides, why would the average grid operator want to individually log into the grid substations and disable them? A nice concise unix command would fire off scripts to do all that.... and yes, if I were the operator I'd want confirmation..

    Finally, this is just fiction, ya know? Heck, they used SSH though to make an appeal to geeks :)

    TurboD

  29. Damn script kiddies. by FauxPasIII · · Score: 2, Funny

    She's got sense enough to use a sploit, but she chooses a feeble password like Z1ON0101. Come ON, Trin, only 2 character classes, only 8 characters ? -sigh-

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  30. Re:10.2.2.2 by recursiv · · Score: 3, Funny

    Congrat-u-fucking-lations.

    You have determined that the controller for the power grid was on a private network. Maybe this explains the need for Trinity to infiltrate the lab to use a specific computer rather than any internet cafe. (hint: behind firewall)

    People like to talk a lot of shit about the matrix, but when you do it, you might as well make an argument that makes some small amount of sense.

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  31. Theories and Spoilers by Demanche · · Score: 2, Interesting

    *SPOILER BELOW: continued reading forfits all rights and spoiler bashing ;)*

    I agreee with your insights.. something is definatly strange about the entire last scene of the movie.

    One thing I believe that may have slipped in on your observations is that in the end of the movie - Neo can feel the machienes. The first matrix was about the ability to go beyond relaity, and to move past the possible (in a pysical sense). This looks like the next matrix will evolve more so then the previous. Neo does not seem to have superpowers - but his instinct told him something about the machienes.

    Also.. the guy next to him in the bed. Remember in the begining - the agent goes through the phone after turning into an agent? I'm speculating that programs have the ability to go into different parts of the matrix..

    Ever wonder if the second matrix (what they think is them outside of the matrix) is just a test to see if anyone can ever break the matrix - and everyone who thinks they have broken free of the matrix are still actually in the matrix?

    Perhapds the machines digging are a futureistic anti-virus programs just taking their own representation in the "real life" matrix?

    The third movie is definatly going to get my money on opening night ;)

    Comments, opinions? Insights!!? Please tell ;)

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  32. Dork! by jabber01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This spoils nothing but the first film.

    The statute of limitation on spoliers runs out once the film shows up at Blockbuster.

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  33. So you're the bastard... by HardCase · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...who's always talking during the movie. Hey, do you have a cell phone too? And a beeper? Maybe a crying child or two?


    All of this managed to make my Matrix experience just that much harder to enjoy.


    -h-

    1. Re:So you're the bastard... by Trevalyx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, minus the little hellians and the beeper, that's me. Sometimes I bring my laptop along in anticipation that there are going to be a few dull scenes. Though I try to keep conference calls on my phone with tons of flashy multicolored lights to a minimum after credits, sometimes it just happens, ya know? Also, I always always carry bang-snaps to movies. They're to throw at people who complain. The firecrackers are for people who complain twice. Roman candles for anyone who dares go beyond that.

  34. My new password ... by LoudMusic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will NOT be Z1ON0101. However, I will be adding that to my dictionaries (:

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  35. Come on, people by Ezubaric · · Score: 2, Informative


    How can this guy get modded up for being insightful when he doesn't know the name of a major player in the film?

    The Merovingian dynasty was the first kingdom of France to emerge from the ruins of the Roman empire, led by Clovis I. Unlike most ruling families in Europe, though, it's not named after it's founding member. Or I guess you could say it is, since "Merovec" is considered to be a half sea-monster. This gives the cruel character a little more depth ...

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  36. Re:10.2.2.2 by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone who complains about 555- numbers in movies should be forced to live in a home with two phone lines:

    8675309

    8535937

    ~Philly

  37. Why is this so amazing by sublimespot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's pretty sad. In a movie they do a hack "correctly" and everybody is amazed. How much of their million dollar budgets does it take to properly research this stuff? not much. They never cared about impressing the geek before now. They want to entertain audiences.

    In all reality this hack would have not been left open by the Zion admin. He's a unix operator.

    If you really wanted a hack more in line with reality, she should have called a Zion employee while pretending to be Zion admin. They would have gladly gave up their password.

  38. z1on password by dangil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    z1on0101 is the password trinity uses when overriding the powerplant password...

    I would put this password first in line on my dictionary for password attacks....

    I know all my servers will have this password from now on..

  39. Re:Neo is indeed a program. by protonman · · Score: 2, Funny
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  40. Merovingians and the Matrix by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Merovingians weren't terribly interesting in a historical sense- they set up shop in the power vacuum left by the Romans, and ruled over the Franks for a few hundred years (5th to 8th century CE). Their rules regarding inheritance were not terribly well thought out (kingdoms were split among surviving sons), and so the kingdom slowly fragmented. Also, Ummayad Muslims were starting to make incursions over the Pyrennes. With the fragmentation of central royal authority, real power was held by palace mayors. One of these, Charles "The Hammer" Martel turned back the Arabs at Tours, which was a turning point not only against the Arabs, but for the balance of power in the kingdom. Charles Martel's son, Pepin the Short, became king of the Franks. His son, Charles, would go on to found the Carolingian dynasty and become the first Holy Roman Emperor in 800 CE; he is better known as Charles the Great, or Charlemagne.

    So, the actual history of the Merovingians, not so exciting. The mythology is better though, and far more relevant to "The Matrix." The founder of the Merovingians, Merovec, is considered to be somewhat mythical. The first Merovingian for which there is good historical evidence for is Merovec's supposed grandson, Clovis. As the above poster notes, one story has Merovec as half beast. Other accounts (with connections to Gnostic Christianity, a subject that has been much discussed in relation to "The Matrix") claim that Merovec was the descendant of Jesus (and Mary Magdelene). Yeah, I know, but just bear with me. Now, after the Carolingians took over, supposedly a secret society was formed to reinstall the Merovingians to the throne (after all, who could have more authority than someone with the bloodline of David and Jesus?). This society is named the Prieure de Sion, or the Priory of Zion. (ominous music plays for effect)

    This secret society, as all secret societies eventually must (seems to be a rule of conspiracy theory), has been linked to the Knights Templar (which were quite real, actually (formed during the Crusades, became quite wealthy through guarding banking transactions, like a medieval Brinks, were annihilated by Philip the Fair in 1307), though the mythology that has sprung up regarding them is vast) and through them to every secret society you've ever heard of- the Freemasons, the Illuminati, etc.... In other words, the character "the Merovingian" is connected in name to bunch of real world secret conspiracy plots, just the sort of thing you'd like for a fictional character connected in deep with secret conspiracy plots. I must admit it's nice to see that the brothers Wachowski have really done their homework.

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  41. More allusions by BernardMarx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are a lot of references to Merovingian being something of a "devil" character.

    In Reloaded, Persephone was Merovingian's discontent wife. In Greek mythology, Persephone was forced to marry Hades, the god of the Underworld.

    Also, if I recall correctly (I've only seen it once), Merovingian said that he was once like Neo, but had since grown bored of that, or stopped caring or something. In Christian mythology, the devil was once an angel, but had fallen.

    In both cases (or all three, including Merovec), the Matrix's Merovingian is meant to be a character who enjoy playing tricks, hatching plots, and otherwise being a thorn in the side of the protagonist.

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