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New debian-mentors Public .deb Repository Available
JohnKFisher writes "For anyone who has ever put together a .deb package, but didn't want to bother with the hassle of setting up their own repository, or trying to get your package added to the official one, the Public Package Repository is up and running. I wonder if this means someone can finally add a version of KDE not dating from late in the Carter administration."
If you use unstable KDE 3.1.1 is there by default. If you use stable, kde.org has a debian server up for 3.1.1 that you can use.
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and who is responsible for the boot floppies ?
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`apt vote yes`
This is a nice way of hosting packages when someone doesn't have the space to put up their own apt-repository. If it's searchable, that's a bonus.
It remains to be seen exactly what kinds of packages will end up here. At least it still requires a DD sponsor, so hopefully poorly-packaged/broken packages will not end up here...
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WARN_(accel)("msg null; should hang here to be win compatible\n");
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Sorry if the subject sounds like flamebait, but I am getting so tired of all the RedHat bashing being done by Debian/Gentoo users, especially on slashdot! So, to all you Debian/Gentoo users out there, can you please explain to me why you go around spreading FUD about RedHat? Is it because RedHat is a commercial company? Are there real technical issues that make RedHat the piece of shit that you all claim it is? Or is it because Gentoo and Debian just happen to attract a lot of these vocal assholes?
/etc. So what is the big problem with RedHat?
I have used both RedHat and Debian and from a user standpoint, they are basically the same, like they should be since they both share 99% of the same software. I am sure from an administrators point of view there are probably some differences, but here I only have experience with RedHat. In this area, I have never had any problems figuring out RedHat's system of configuration files in
I have even seen comments from Debian users who claim to have little or no respect for RedHat users? Why are they such assholes? I have never seen a RedHat user bash a Debian user like this? All these negative comments do nothing but decrease my respect for Debian and it's users. If you like one system over another then use it, I don't give a shit. Why do you have to put others down just because they are using the other system? Grow up people! It is all Linux!
A few days ago, David Wright posted a message to the Debian-user list, questioning the wisdom of Debian's decision to target 11 architectures. He pointed out (with supporting references) that this decision has contributed to a long delay in releasing Woody; of course, other people have said this before.
The main result was that a small number of Debian insiders posted abusive comments in response to David's perfectly reasonable message. (The thread, in case you missed it, has the subject "This post is not off-topic".)
With hindsight, it's clear that trying to support too many architectures was a mistake.
Of course, everybody makes mistakes. It is truly said that he who never made a mistake, never made anything.
But what separates the doers from the wannabes is the ability to admit a mistake, change direction, and move on.
If the people in effective control of Debian's direction no longer have this ability, then perhaps Debian is no longer useful to most of us.
To save the Debian Attack Team the effort of a search, I'll admit immediately that (like most Debian users) I've contributed nothing to Debian except good intentions and trivial amounts of money. Debian does not need me. And I need a stable release with the 2.4 kernel.
get it straight man.
debian users are deluded. i should i know. i am/was one. (i run gentoo on my main boxes; with debian still on my public server)
debian's great leap over redhat that is the largest cause for criticism is a good packaging system with proper dependancies and *the ability to resolve dependancies automatically*. gentoo fixes debian's problems by not being license nazis and by offering the latest software soon after release optimized for your system.
Redhat lacks a central package repository and the ability to work out what things depend on what so that you can actually install something without manually hunting for more rpms or just saying screw it and installing everything.
that said, why does such a packaging system matter for most people? it doesn't. redhat can be managed site wide by simply deploying security/bugfix rpms and nothing else new beyond what your site has defined as the base install. when it comes time to upgrade a full distro/machine upgrade is done to a much later redhat release. for the other lusers out there that happily reinstall their system with each redhat release it also doesn't matter.
**Are there real technical issues that make RedHat the piece of shit that you all claim it is? Or is it because Gentoo and Debian just happen to attract a lot of these vocal assholes?**
i'm going to bite into this semi-troll(it would have more non-troll attitude if it wasn't posted anon.)
the short reason: rpm sucks.
the longer reason: rpm sucks bad, also most debian users are former red hat users who have gotten at some point annoyed how it works, and being longer time linux users have probably had to walk some redhat users through something that is easy and fast to do in debian if you know what you're doing. in users perspective they are the same, but so is windows. you click programs, they open, you type. but from admin point of view they are different, the problem is that most users have to be administrators too and debian is where admins get easy. being (maybe) former redhat users(perhaps dating with redhat several years backwards) they probably have gotten at some point very frustrated with the rpm system (while you could argue that it's fine when it works, the counter argument is that theres way too many things it doesn't do well). then theres of course flameboys, which gentoo seems to have attracted a fair bit (being the cool and hip 'performance' distro of the day), which shout things they read in a faq without understanding them (babbling how their application xyz is faster because it got compiled with zxy flags). it's all linux but the reason i try to push debian is ease of use in the long run (not the ease of first bootup and getting to x, though, with knoppix that's certainly the fastest way). i'm sure redhat has it's uses but i'm too tainted by the rpm hell i saw when i had my time using it to go back to it after trying alternative package management systems which prove that such an one-line install system _can_ work reliably.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
That's great news. Now it seems that I don't have to move to Gentoo to get some very recent packages.
FYI: This is also a good please to find your deb-packages.
This is RiverTonic's sig.
What we really need is a decent tested 'backports of new things to Woody' archive, for people who need a new feature, but also need mission critical stability.
i run unstable and i don't really understand why anybody would want anymore bleeding-edge than that (unless they're going through "frequent-reboot" withdrawls after leaving windows...). i suppose you could add a bunch of cvs lines to sources.list and roll the dice, but gnome2.2, gcc 3.3, and galeon 1.3.4 are plenty up to date for me.
well, it's nothing one behind the ear wouldn't cure
I wonder if this means someone can finally add a version of KDE not dating from late in the Carter administration.
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KDE 3.1.2 was in sid the same night I saw the announcement for it.
And, even in the 6-month (?) limbo with no KDE3 (*cough* waiting for GCC3.2 transition *cough*) in official, there were various apt repositories, including the repository on the KDE site.
But almost 6 months does seem bad
Why the fuck is this modded as Flamebait?? This mod is on crack, and shouldn't be given mod points any more.
Actually, if you're not just rolling out cookie cutter desktops fro everyone, solid package management (in particular dependancy resolution) is very important. Web server? base+apache+perl (depending on need, add mysql or postgres), no worries, it WILL just work. periodicly, do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (to be fair, RedHat is catching up there with up2date, but Debian's had that for many years). New version comes out? apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade, it will just work.
While home users won't find that so compelling, they will like it when they download a packaged binary from elsewhere and just wants to get it installed.
At the same time, for the packages themselves, I actually find RPM easier to maintain (as a developer). Thus, what I'm really waiting for is a mature apt4rpm