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Counterfeiting With High Resolution Inkjets

Makarand writes "Thanks to the availability of low cost high quality inkjet printers, crooks are now able to produce currency indistinguishable from the real banknotes, at least under dim lighting conditions like that in a bar or a nightclub. The term "digifeiters" is being coined for counterfeiters that use cheap high-resolution printers to produce fake currency. Unlike costly color xerographic copiers that come inbuilt with features to detect security details on banknotes and stop currency copying, no cheap printers come with such feature. An anti-digifeiting system for cheaper printers may consist of printer driver software capable of recognizing data patterns indicating currencies of several countries." I wonder what GimpPrint would think of being forced to print or not print certain documents based on their contents.

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  1. One of the funniest Beavis and Butthead episodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was when they visited the photocopy place and tried to copy dollars, then tried to pay the copy guy with their printed money. Ahh, I miss that show.

  2. Plastic Notes work well by vk2tds · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Go for plastic bank notes like australia. They work well... They even have clear patches you can see right through.

    1. Re:Plastic Notes work well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      More info and pictures here. Note the clear patches show up as black bits down in the bottom corner.

    2. Re:Plastic Notes work well by Pentagram · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're getting mixed up with credit cards. And stop hole-punching them.

    3. Re:Plastic Notes work well by spoco2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the plastic money we have allows you to instantly see the difference between notes (Different colours and sizes), instantly tell that it's the real deal or a really expensive counterfeit (the clear plastic window), and it is just like having paper money in the way it handles, except that it's more durable (you can put it through the wash etc)

      The problem with US money (and I've lived there for a while), is that all the notes look about the same, all are the same colour, they wear out very quickly, and they're very easy to counterfeit. (At least to the point of using in everyday money transactions... how many checkout chicks carefully look over every note?)

    4. Re:Plastic Notes work well by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, since US currency is basically linen, maybe this might work? They say it removes almost every stain using the air we breath!

    5. Re:Plastic Notes work well by BandwidthHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ask a paper wholesaler, and of course they'll say they can't get it and don't know what it is. Instead, just ask for Crane's Crest Flourescent Opaque White. Obviously it won't have the red and blue fibers, but it'll have the feel you're looking for. Myself, I use it for resumes. Anything printed on that stuff *will* be taken more seriously than similar stuff on similar papers, but nobody will realize why, or even that they do like the feel of it better.

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    6. Re:Plastic Notes work well by CuriousGeorge113 · · Score: 5, Funny

      To help assist counterfitters, the Australian Governmebt has equipped this page with pictures of all their currency with a printer friendly version

      Nice to see the government goes that extra step to help out the cheaters and counterfitters.

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    7. Re:Plastic Notes work well by spoco2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The AC stated the sizes of the notes only differ in length, there's no issue with having them in the wallet, they're easy to have in there... and so much easier to choose the notes you want without having to take them all out and rifle through them to find the 20 instead of the 1 (We have no 1 dollar notes, we have $1 and $2 coins, much better to use).

      As for the clear window, they just have some differing white symbols on them... all the notes also have all the other useful security measures:
      Micro printing
      Water marks
      Some patterns printed on each side, that when you hold to the light they should match up to each other... which helps ensure that they were printed accurately

      The first plastic note we had (The old $5) had a hologram on it, but that came off too easily, so was scrapped.

    8. Re:Plastic Notes work well by EverDense · · Score: 5, Funny

      The best bit is because Australia produces "polymer notes for Papua New Guinea,
      Indonesia, Kuwait, Western Samoa, Singapore, Brunei, Sri Lanka and Thailand."
      http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/currency. html

      If one of those countries pisses Australia off, they can mass produce the country's
      currency, and drop it from aircraft. Making their economy tank in short order ;-)

      Oh shit, I think I just revealed Australia's plans for World Denomination[tm].

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    9. Re:Plastic Notes work well by bogado · · Score: 4, Informative

      The solution of the euro notes are the diferent sizes, if you wipe out a 1,00 note it will be smaller then the 5,00 so you could not print it into the blanc note.

      Also the diferent sizes makes it easier for blind people to recognize the value of the bills.

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    10. Re:Plastic Notes work well by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We were given a detector pen to use on 20s or higher that turns brown on real money, black on most everything else. When the new bills came out in the late 90s, we were specifically instructed to check for that color-shifting ink in addition to that pen.

      If I'm not mistaken that "pen" is a felt tip marker with an iodine solution. The paper used for real money is known to contain no starch, so when you smear the pen across real money all you see is a faint brown smear from the iodine itself.

      Counterfeit money, on the other hand, is presumed to contain lots of starch. Starch and iodine undergo a special chemical reaction that's one of those little quirks of nature. The I2 molecules have *just* the right diameter to fit inside the helix of a starch polymer perfectly. They immediately slide in there and the resulting starch-iodine complex has a strong inky black color so powerful that it's easy to see even if trace amounts of starch are present.

      Of course, this presumes that counterfeiters are stupid, cheap, pay no attention to detail, and buy low-quality paper containing starch. As a general rule, counterfeiting is a crime that attracts very anal-retentive people. I would imagine that a counterfeiter would pay more attention to his choice of paper than a laid-off dot-com worker printing resumes. It probably isn't too hard to find paper that doesn't contain any starch, and testing for it is a piece of cake because those stupid pens are sold all over the place. I bet every counterfeiter on the planet has one.

      Still, the pen is common because people want to believe they can buy a magicical item that detects counterfeit money. If you're a counterfeiter and you can't fool an iodine pen, you should consider going into another line of crime.

    11. Re:Plastic Notes work well by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, we have a great anti-counterfitting technology in all US currency that could easily replace the stupid pens with an electronic pen that costs just a few dollars, and would not mark or harm the bill at all. In addition to the color changing ink, the watermark, and the embedded plastic stripe (which the conspiracy theorists amoung us know the gub'mint uses to detect how much money you carry through the airport with remote sensors), all U.S. bills are printed with magnetic ink. Run a small recording head over the portrait of a real bill and you'll get a nice detectable signal from the background of the picture. Move the recording pick-up at a known speed and you can even determine the denomination from the frequency. And the inkjet printers will produce a bill that gives no response at all, no matter what paper it's printed on.

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    12. Re:Plastic Notes work well by E-prospero · · Score: 4, Informative

      How does the plastic money handle?

      Pretty much like paper currency. A plastic note feels pretty much like a fresh paper note in terms of properties; a little stiff and textured, but still very pliable. By feel, they are obviously not paper, but they don't feel like you're playing with a cheap plastic wrapper either.

      The difference is that these properties don't really change as they get older. The notes get a few more creases in them, but they don't start to feel like tissuepaper like paper notes do.

      The creases are about the only problem; it can be a bit of a pain to flatten them out, but on the whole, I gotta say I prefer them.

      As a result, they last a lot longer in circulation - about 4 times longer. The down side is that they tend to tear catastophically; once a tear is started, it runs through the note fairly easily. However, it's very hard to start a tear in the first place (contrast with paper notes, which are easy to start a tear, but tend to tear slowly once started).

      What exactly is in that window - some sort of hologram or other image?

      Its a clear window, with an image in white ink in it. Each note has a different image. For example, the $10 note has a windmill. Its not a complex image - just a basic silhouette. There are some other security measures; microprinting, front/back alignment marks, that sort of thing. No RFID tags yet :-)

      I take it each denomination has its own color and size, but I think differing size would make it hard to carry around in your wallet.

      Each note is the same height, but each larger denomination is slightly (7mm, IIRC) longer. The longest note ($100) fits easily in an average wallet. A $10 note (all that I have with me at the moment) is about the same height, but about 20mm shorter than standard US currency. That would make a $100 about the same size as a US banknote. (I don't have one with me to compare)

      However, the real benefit is the colour. You look into a wallet stuffed with AUD bills, and you can tell if you have a little or a lot of money. See lots of pink, you've got lots of $5. See lots of green, you've got lots of $100. Single colour currency is one of the hardest thing I've had to get used to in the US. (that, plus tipping, and the fact that sales tax is never on the advertised price - but that's another story...)

      Russ %-)

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    13. Re:Plastic Notes work well by miracle69 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The reason we still have paper $1 currency is that we have resisted people telling us that a heavy pocket full of coins is " much better to use " than paper money. The government has tried to tell us that, but we know they always lie, and experience with several dollar coins over recent years has born that out.

      I always thought it was because the powerful stripper lobby didn't like being pelted with dollar coins.

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    14. Re:Plastic Notes work well by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pennies are hard to get rid of, both personally and nationally. Every so often the idea of eliminating pennies comes up and all these people come out of the woodwork to defend the penny. You would think they were taking "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance, they get so worked up. There is even a lobbying group devoted to keeping the penny- Americans for Common Cents. Not surprisingly, it is backed by zinc companies.

      They aren't easy to get rid of. Vending machines won't take them. In fact there's hardly any coin-operated device that accepts pennies. Spending them is awkward. You can discreetly leave piles of them on a restaurant table as a tip, but that's probably not a good idea if you ever plan on eating there again. A penny in reality is worth a little less than its face value, because of the inconvenience they present in large numbers.

      I found a good way to get rid of them. Use them to buy gasoline! You have to count them beforehand. If you have 163 pennies, just pump $11.63 or $16.63 of gas into the car, then go in, put a ten and maybe a five down, and then take all those little pennies out of your pocket and slam them down onto the counter. What's the guy going to say? They're legal tender. And they're just asking for it when they advertise prices that end in 9/10 of a cent. Usually the dude just eyeballs the pile, takes your word for it, and scoops them into the register.

  3. Wonka Dollars by Hayzeus · · Score: 5, Funny
    You heard me -- chocolate banknotes, with nougat and sprinkles.

    Try counterfeiting those.

    1. Re:Wonka Dollars by breon.halling · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here you go:

      Willy Wonka Bars Candy Recipe

      1/2 cup margarine, softened
      1 cup peanut butter
      1/2 box powdered sugar
      1 1/2 packages graham crackers
      1 package chocolate chips
      2 tablespoons margarine or 1/4 cup milk

      Combine margarine, peanut butter, powdered sugar and graham crackers. Press mixture in pan. Melt chips and 2 tablespoons of margarine or milk. Spread over graham cracker crust. Refrigerate. Cut when cool.

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    2. Re:Wonka Dollars by scrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      Counterfeiting has never sounded so delicious!

  4. Surprised it's profitable by aonifer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised they can turn a profit, what with having to spend $80 to replace jammed ink cartridges every three minutes.

    1. Re:Surprised it's profitable by discogravy · · Score: 5, Funny

      dude, check your email, you can get PRINTER REPLACEMENTS FREE 908ASDFO

  5. Something to consider by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One of the 'anticounterfeiting' features placed in color copiers that was only acknowledged recently was a code unique to the copier that was added to each copy in such a way that it didn't noticably affect the print quality but would allow copies to be traced back to their point of origin.

    I mention this because this could be the next step for inkjets (if it hasn't been done already!) with all the privacy concerns that entails.

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  6. Re:Where can you get that type of paper? by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

    Other recent articles about counterfeiting have mentioned a proprietary chemical mixture that removes a vast majority of the ink from printed currency, yet leaves the security strip, watermark and colored fibres intact. Bills treated in this manner will fool those colored markers that most places uses for confirmation. You get a stack of $5s, 'bleach' them and reprint them as $10s and you've doubled your money, print them as $20s and you're up to 4x, print them as $100s and you're at 20x. If you take bills as part of your job, double check that the watermark image is the same as the face printed on the bill, and that the value in the security strip matches as well.

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  7. Re:Where can you get that type of paper? by IO+ERROR · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I notice the difference between that and normal printing paper easily. So where are these people getting that style of paper, and does it change the quaility or ability to print... or are bar tenders and the such just stupid and don't realize?


    Not after you set the bills down on a bar that's wet due to drink spillage, etc. The other thing is that bartending is VERY fast paced, it would be easy to not notice.

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  8. Re:No problem by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Just be on the lookout for crisp bills.

    Actually, it's a common practice for a counterfreiting operation to 'launder' its money before putting it out into circulation. They will literally put it in a washer / dryer to give it that 'worn down' look and feel.

  9. There are other issues by thinmac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least with U.S. currency, there are more issues than just he appearence of the bill. A big one, for example, is the material. If you printed out a set of nice new bills on standard copier paper, nobody would believe for a second that it was a real bill, low lights or no. There have been counterfiters who have bleached out low value bills, such as ones, and printed higher values onto them, like twenties, but I'm not sure how well your average inkjet printer would feed the cottony paper used for bills.

    I'm no currency expert, but I would imagine there are a lot of issues like this that aren't effected by the gross appearence of the bill for both U.S. and other bills.

  10. $200 George W Bush Bill by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last year, someone went into a convenience store in rural Michigan, and bought a candy bar. They paid for it with a $200 bill with George W Bush's face on it. The clerk gave the customer about $199.30 in change without a problem.

    I think it was the manager who first raised the question about the validity of this bill later.

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  11. Re:Where can you get that type of paper? by GC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    which is why, here in the UK, we make higher denomination notes larger in size than those of a lesser denomination... I guess they didn't think of that in the USA.

    Apparently 90% of US currency is outside of the US at any given time.

  12. Make really fine banknotes by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    print it on glossy photo paper, not on cheapo recycled office paper.

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  13. Even funnier by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Was when they visited the photocopy place and tried to copy dollars, then tried to pay the copy guy with their printed money. Ahh, I miss that show."They were using a xerox machine inside the 7-11 (or whatever), right in front of the clerk.

    They were xeroxing nickels.

    The spent 25 cents for each xeroxed nickel.

    After they got a bunch, they raggedly tore the extra paper from around their fake paper "nickels" and tried to buy candy from the clerk.

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  14. That may already be happening by phr2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There were some rumors a while back that HP printer drivers inserted the printer serial number or some other identifier (like a Windows GUID) into color prints in a way that could be read back later by scanning with the right software, but wasn't visible just from looking at the print. Experiments and queries to HP were inconclusive. It doesn't seem to affect black and white printers.

    Sort of related: HP now offers invisible ink for inkjet printers viewable only under UV or IR light, intended to print stuff like tracking barcode on financial documents without customers noticing them (so shred all your junk mail, not just stuff with visible account numbers, since you don't know what might be printed invisibly on it). Maybe that's another way they can surreptitiously tag the output of color printers. Your printer specs say the inkjet print head has 48 dots? Have you ever actually counted them? Maybe they'll add an unannounced 49th dot that squirts invisible ink on the paper, and a tiny amount of invisible ink in a secret chamber of every cartridge. Yeah! That's the real reason the govt wants to extend the DMCA ban third-party inkjet refills, so they can keep tracing printer output back to its source! Tinfoil hat time... :)

  15. Correction on the story by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Anna's News Clippings

    "A woman was charged $2.12 at a Diary Queen drive-through in Danville, Kentucky, and she was given $197.88 in change for her $200 bill. In case a clerk might not know that a $200 bill isn't legal tender, this taped-together bill was clearly marked as a 'moral reserve note' and featured George W. Bush's portrait. The White House picture on the bill's back has yard signs reading 'We like broccoli'and 'Rooms not for rent'. Police were notified as to the woman's presence shortly after she left. They do not consider the bill to be a counterfeit one."

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  16. Re:Where can you get that type of paper? by Marillion · · Score: 4, Informative
    The process is called "leaching."

    The idea is to use a lower value note, say a one, then bleach the old ink off of it. Use your handy-dandy inkjet to print a twenty note on the paper that used to be a one. The one is well suited to false promotion because it doesn't have a florescent nylon strip that a bartender could positively verify the paper isn't a twenty.

    Since all US notes are the same size, feel the same, and mostly look the same it's easy to fake. I know the French franc, prior to the Euro, used different sized paper for different values.

    As a side note, if you've never seen the movie The Grifters there's a scene where John Cusack flashes a twenty at a bartender, asks for a beer, then pulls a slight-of-hand leaving a ten on the counter expecting the bartender to remember the twenty and give change as such.

    I know folks in the US complain about the Monopoly-esque look of other currency, but it's a hell-of-a-lot tougher to copy, easier for the blind to judge denomination from size, and easier for visitors to manager. Put a dime in front of a visitor and ask him the worth of it. He can't. Nowhere does it say "ten cents" or "10 cents." It just say "One Dime."

    Sorry for ranting.

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  17. New American currency, this year. by blanks · · Score: 5, Informative

    To slow down counterfeit bills (about 1 in every 10,000 bills is a counterfeit). The US treasury will be releasing new bills this year. And every 7 years.

    Having caught people using counterfeit bills from working in nightclubs and restaurants, it is starting to become a problem.

    Here is a link:
    new $20 dollar bills.

  18. Re:How would they detect features? by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do they actually recognize that currency is being copied and prohibit the operation, or add watermark stuff like "void".

    They copy the bills, but some do stuff to make the copied bills unusable, like make a perfect copy of a bill but make the entire page hot pink. The Ricoh printers we had at my last job did that. Other copiers make the copy, but insert a code number somewhere on the bill unbeknownst to the counterfeiter. When the bill makes its way to the Secret Service, they find the code, contact the company, and find out where that copier is located, which speeds up the investigation quite a bit. IIRC, a few years back they nailed some idiot Cornell students this way. Unfortunately I can't find the story on Google, and I don't quite remember where I heard it-- possibly from one of the Discovery Channel or History Channel documentaries concerning the U.S. Mint or the Secret Service or counterfeiting.

    ~Philly

  19. Well, thats less of a problem with secure bills... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    ..like, for instance, Norwegian ones (see http://www.norgesbank.no/english/notes_and_coins/n otes.html for more on those) which has real securitymeasures like holograms and 'mother of pearl'-effect on it. Good luck trying to copy or scan that, 'cuz it plain can't be done without very, very specialised equipment. In fact, a while back I wrote up a short piece on Norwgian money for one of my american friends who were comming over to visit, and since he wondered how they have apperantly managed to scan it at http://www.norgesbank.no/english/notes_and_coins/c ounterfeit200kr.html , I gave them a call and asked - and was told that that picture was made out of a "number of scans at various angles blended together". For some reason they didn't want to give me any more details on how to achive that efect...

    Sorry for not giving proper links, but I seem to have misplaced my little 'cheat-note' on how to write that bit of code...

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  20. Re:Where can you get that type of paper? by puppet10 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Also useful (particularly for the clubs mentioned in the lead-in) the strips also fluoresce under UV in different colors. From the Bureau of Engraving and Printing:

    A security thread is a thin thread or ribbon running through a bank note substrate. All 1990 series and later notes, except the $1, include this feature. The note's denomination is printed on the thread. In addition, the threads of the new $5, $10, $20 and $50 notes have graphics in addition to the printed denomination. The denomination number appears in the star field of the flag printed on the thread. The thread in the new notes glows when held under a long-wave ultraviolet light. In the new $5 it glows blue, in the new $10 it glows orange, in the new $20 note it glows green, in the new $50 note it glows yellow, and in the new $100 note it glows red. Since it is visible in transmitted light, but not in reflected light, the thread is difficult to copy with a color copier which uses reflected light to generate an image. Using a unique thread position for each denomination guards against certain counterfeit techniques, such as bleaching ink off a lower denomination and using the paper to "reprint" the bill as a higher value note.
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  21. Re:The Future of Australian Money by Pulzar · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's just the US dollar that has been going down, and the others seem to be going up compared to US dollar.

    Here, try comparing AU$ to CDN$. Neither is growing compared to the other.

    Or, here's EURO compared to AU$.

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  22. the penalties from counterfitting by luzrek · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I hate to say it, but only an idiot would counterfit any currency. Wired magazine had an article on this a couple of years ago. The pennalties for counterfitting in the USA is $250,000 AND 25 years in prision per offence. An offence is making, or trying to pass a counterfit note. It is also pretty easy to get caught, since most clerks have pens which can detect fake notes.

    As for the technical aspects. Take a look at the "big head" notes. Their is microprinting on the lower left side of the portrait. This microprinting is so fine, that light reflecting off of them scatters making it impossible to make a clear copy. In addition, there is multi-colored ink on one of the 5/10/20/50/100 numbers in the corners. And there is that pesky watermark. Oh, and ink from inkjets runs like there is no tommorow. A sweatty person couldn't pass those notes.

    All in all, the penalties for counterfitting and the risk of getting caught are too high.

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  23. hmph by dh003i · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not the printing forged money is ok, but I don't want my printer "deciding" what to and not to print. What's next, printers "deciding" not to print documents they deem as anti-government? Or not printing images they deem as pornography?

  24. Tales From a Bank Cash Vault by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For several months, I worked in a bank cash vault (Fifth Third Bank, Toledo OH USA) and noted some things.

    Firstly, silver coinage is very much out there, even to the point that a handful of silver Kennedy half dollars can be found in a single deposit from a department store (there was even a Franklin half in one batch). Perhaps people just don't notice silver coinage even in high-volume retail ... but then again, in handling coin, I soon learned to listen to the distinctive sound of silver tinging against the cupro-nickel normal coinage in the sealed bags. (There was one false alarm that turned out to be Eisenhower dollars.)

    Secondly, fake twenty dollar (US$20) bills are being easily passed along in bars ... I can only conclude that this is because that these are generally places where the lighting is more dim, lots of small transactions take place, and frankly, where the environment is busy and loud. Counterfeit 20s (and some 10s) showed time and time again in their deposits. (It was particularly amusing to contact the customer about the debit, since it seems some of them expect the bank to simply replace the bill with a real one.)

    It could also be that the criminal element that does the counterfeiting is native to the bar-going crowd.

    I have inspected these fake 20s in some detail. I noted right off the bat the "obvious" difference: the overall hue of the bill is off just enough to be suspicious. It is a little darker, and either slightly more yellow, brown and even a tiny bit purple. So it is easy for me to believe that these bills can be passed off in a darker environment.

    The texture of the bills was OK, surprisingly. It could be that the paper was run through a washing and/or brushing mechanism to more simulate the cloth-y feel of a real bill. As for the microprinting ... of course, it was a washed out line and that more than anything told me it was counterfeit.

    P.S. A final note about hue ... bills go through a lot, and you can't just go by the hue. I've seen bills that have been dyed ... light green, dark purple, things like that. It happens.

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  25. Get the money paper from the source by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The paper is manufactured by Crane & Co. of Dalton, Massachusetts (I grew up in the neighboring town of Pittsfield, and it was a source of local pride that the money paper was made in our area). Though it does not appear that you can buy, say, blank sheets of $20 bill paper via their web site. Seems like that would be a moneymaker to me. As long as they got paid in real bills, of course.

    I think that would make a great plot for a caper movie -- pulling off a big heist of real currency paper from Crane & Co.

  26. Currency Rarely Checked by suwain_2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've recently started working in a restaurant, and as such handle a fair deal of cash. I have to say, I've never bothered to check currency to see if it's real. I know in some department stores it's required for the clerks to use a counterfeit-detecting pen on anything over $20, but this is certainly not the norm.

    The problem is that you can do a fairly lousy job, especially if you're giving me a wad of various bills to pay for your dinner. (ie, if you give me a bunch of $5's and $1's, I'd just throw them all in the register, most likely not even looking at them one-by-one.)

    Machines exist for 'counting' money (at extremely high rates) that automatically check various security features. Suppose cash registers started having an interface to this -- you'd stick the money in, and it would automatically undergo security checks.

    By the way, am I the only one who isn't too convinced that the new bill styles will be effective? The old ones will still be accepted, and if they're easier to forge, why wouldn't I just forge one of those? Frequently changing their design won't really counter counterfeiting (heh, no pun intended there).

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  27. Re:Plastic Notes work well-"petty" crime. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If you're a counterfeiter and you can't fool an iodine pen, you should consider going into another line of crime."

    I would recommned congressman.