Nullsoft's Waste: Encrypted, Distributed, Mesh Net

Myriad writes "Nullsoft, makers of the venerable Winamp MP3 player, released today a secure, distributed mesh-like networking protocal and platform called Waste. This v1.0 beta release uses RSA (key based) and Blowfish encryption for security, and features Instant Messanging and group chat, along with file browsing, searching, and transfer. Waste has been released under the GPL, with source and binaries available here."

Comments

Five minutes later

[Jacer]

I read the article and immediately got excited. I downloaded all of the software and had it all setup and working within a few minutes. As of right now I'm living in an apartment and have no practical use, but on Monday I'm moving into my dorm room to start my summer class (bleh!) Anyway, I think this is so wonderful! I've been thinking about a secure network computing solution for my three computers when I'm at school. I have my server, workstation, and my laptop that I'd like to tie all together. The leading choice was vpn, but after playing around with this, I do think that running on my server and having the three of them connect to it, and maybe a few of my friends computers on campus, we can create a very nice, effective, small, and secure lan. Then again, after five minutes I haven't decided if the whole reinventing of the wheel is worth it. I'll probably try it out, and setup a vpn server too, and see which I like more.

Re:Five minutes later

[graveyhead]

VPN is better if you're a gamer...

Once you've set it up for a firewall, the f/w effectively vanishes inside the VPN. A friend and I struggled with firewall configs for years tweaking for the game of the day. Enter VPN, and now we have a private TCP network without firewalls. Any game supports that, no reconfiguration required.

The other thing is that it is built into w2k (my gaming platform of choice) and XP (friends platform). This means you can be up and running after reading some quick instructions on setting up the server, your shares (properly!), forward one TCP port (yes, only one) from your firewall to desktop, and that's it forever.

Add an uber-IM like Trillian, and that's all you will ever need.

4 years later May 28th

[Isosonys]

Did nullsoft do this to thumb its nose at Aol? It was released May 28th 4 years after Aol paid a nice sum to buy Nullsoft.

As for the "What's the point" question...

[malakai]

put on your conspiracy hats...

Think of it this way, these guys know probably better than anyone else NOT on the AOL IM team, just how much of IM conversations are monitored, logged, mined for information, media metrics...etc.

Not to mention, they work in that environment, they prolly want to be able to say "god damn, our executive VP is a bitch" and not have some network engineer provide a log documenting that conversation later.

Yeah, i wish it scalled, but wtf, its opensource. Go make it scale. For now, 10-50 is plenty for most groups of online friends.

Personally, I'd loved to see technology like Pastry get hacked into it.

-malakai

Revolution of Filesharing?

[cyberm_acc]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned the obvious. This is a terrible blow to the RIAA and the all the people who have been trying to sue filesharers into oblivion.

There are two uses I see for this:
There are going to be groups of people dedicated to one theme, for example, Horror Movies, or Horror Movies with mutant bees, sharing all their Horror Movies, you will need a certain ammount of Horror Movie Uploads for Downloads and noone will ever be to know you had Queen Bee 1-3.

If you replace Horror with new release you get lots of small miniDonkeys, many interconnected and unstoppable.

I'm convinced this is a revolution in filesharing because it solves the two biggest Problems filesharing has, crappy downloads and getting sued.
The downloads will be of really good quality beacause you will be sharing with friends of people you know from chatting and if the put crap in their upload directory they won't be one of your cirle of friends much longer.

Getting sued is obvious, noone will be able to tell what you are doing (the might be able to guess that all those people on cable are not running a vpn yet) as just your circle of friends know. There is still the possibility that one of your friends is a traitor but i would call that a rare chance.

Everyone invented Gnutella

[CrazyJim0]

I think hundreds or thousands of coders thought of this shit, especially when Napster got shutdown.

I personally came across it when removing a section of my P2P anti hacking designed for Diablo 1 to be secure even without a central server.

Interestingly enough, I was going to call my Gnutella: Dumpster

Which is cool they're naming their software: Waste

Lets see how it turns out

Re:Linux port ?

[Kompressor]

Closer than you think...

I haven't used C in 3 years and I managed to get it to compile with a bit of hacking. As for stability, your guess is as good as mine...

diff -r waste/Makefile.posix waste_port/Makefile.posix
4c4
< RSAOBJS = md5c.o nn.o prime.o r_random.o rsa.o
---
> RSAOBJS = rsa/md5c.o rsa/nn.o rsa/prime.o rsa/r_random.o rsa/rsa.o
7,8c7,8
< CXXFLAGS = -O2 $(DEBUGFLAG) -pipe -march=pentiumpro
< CFLAGS = -O2 $(DEBUGFLAG) -pipe -march=pentiumpro
---
> CXXFLAGS = -O2 $(DEBUGFLAG) -pipe
> CFLAGS = -O2 $(DEBUGFLAG) -pipe
diff -r waste/connection.cpp waste_port/connection.cpp
771c771
< if (::getsockname(m_socket,(struct sockaddr *)&sin,(socklen_t *)&len)) return 0;
---
> if (::getsockname(m_socket,(struct sockaddr *)&sin,(unsigned socklen_t *)&len)) return 0;
diff -r waste/listen.cpp waste_port/listen.cpp
85c85
< int s = accept(m_socket, (struct sockaddr *) &saddr, (socklen_t *)&length);
---
> int s = accept(m_socket, (struct sockaddr *) &saddr, (unsigned socklen_t *)&length);
diff -r waste/srvmain.cpp waste_port/srvmain.cpp
31c31
< #include "md5.h"
---
> #include "rsa/md5.h"
diff -r waste/xfers.cpp waste_port/xfers.cpp
812c812,814
< if (!RemoveDirectory(s)) break;
---
> // The below seems to be from the win32 API. I'll just comment it out and hope it doesn't break anything.
> // Jordan R. Urie
> // if (!RemoveDirectory(s)) break;

It's a really useful tool for business too

[Eminence]

WASTE is something that is indeed very useful for small company or teams (especially dispersed teams) in larger organizations. In many places one or another IM system is being used to communicate with team members. Over ICQ or AOL contracts and employment conditions are discussed, remarks about contractors and clients are passed etc. That is a huge security leak if you look at it from a certain prospective, especially for some profiles of companies like small consulting firms with employees regularly using clients networks. WASTE is a simple to use and free method of closing that leak.

I know at least two small companies that should adopt WASTE immediately and I would advise them to do so. One is a PR company with 2-10 people offices around Europe, where ICQ is frequently used as a discussion medium. Other is a small consulting company. Someone eavesdropping on their ICQ chats could seriously damage both of them.

Re:name "Waste" -- Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49

[elwinc]

I believe the name "Waste" is a references to Thomas Pynchon's novel "The Crying of Lot 49." In the novel, W.A.S.T.E is either a hoax or a secret system for communication, and (might) stand for "We Await Silent Tristero's Empire." Here's a little quote:

"Last night, she might have wondered what undergrounds apart from the couple she knew of communicated by WASTE system. By sunrise she could legitimately ask what undergrounds didn't....[H]ere were God knew how many citizens, deliberately choosing not to communicate by U.S. Mail. It was not an act of treason, nor possibly even of defiance. But it was a calculated withdrawal, from the life of the Republic, from its machinery. Whatever else was being denied them out of hate, indifference to the power of their vote, loopholes, simple ignorance, this withdrawal was their own, unpublicized, private. Since they could not have withdrawn into a vacuum (could they?), there had to exist the separate, silent, unsuspected world."