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ReplayTV and TiVo Compared

j0atz writes "The New York Times is running a story today that, while it's a bit redundant in the beginning and a bit short on technical details later, gives a rundown the newest features for ReplayTV (numbered 4000 or above) and TiVO (Series2); basically, you can program your favorite DVR to record a show from a remote computer or from another (same-brand) DVR. Along with that, you can stream MP3's and pictures with TiVo now. Still...I'd much rather use something like FreeVo or MythTV and actually burn my shows to cd, stream whatever I want, etc, etc."

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  1. Tivo can burn too by shokk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From what I understand, you can hack your Tivo series 1 to enable video extraction which you can then burn to DVD. That isn't much more of a hack than a FreeVo, and I expect that the schedule handling of the TiVo is much more advanced than what you will get out of the free systems, albeit much pricier.

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  2. Question about Tivo / PVR quality by coupland · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Was speaking with a friend recently and he had heard through the grapevine that the compression done on Tivo video renders very poor quality output, well below that of standard cable TV. I've been thinking of jumping on the PVR bandwagon for a while now but this worries me a lot. Can anyone who has a PVR comment on video quality? How does it compare to things like DivX, VCD, cable TV, satellite etc? I don't want to plug a DVR into my expensive TV and end up with something that makes live cable look awful. Thanks in advance for your insights.

    1. Re:Question about Tivo / PVR quality by Dirk+Pitt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I second the other poster and say to go check for yourself -- our local electronics store has a couple of gas plasma displays hooked up to Tivo and Replay, so you should be able to find something similar and get a pretty good demo.

      My experience, with Replay, has been very good. There are 3 quality levels, the highest of which is, IMHO, fairly indiscernable from straight cable on my Samsung hdtv (CRT, not projection, so the quality is quite good). Occasionally I'll see a compression artifact at the highest quality, but for the most part the benefits *far* outway the small loss.

      And the most lossy quality setting is good for recording the nightly Simpsons reruns ;-).

  3. Why keep them? by Malc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why would you want to burn stuff to CD to keep? I filled dozens of VHS tapes back in the 80's with stuff from the TV. Now I wonder why as I rarely rewatched any of it. I guess I was young and had too much spare time. These days there's rarely anything broadcast that I feel is so important to my life that I want to keep it. Why do people want to keep stuff from TV. What is so compelling that I'm not finding when I flip through the channels? It seems to me there are better things to do than waste ones life re-watching things you've already seen. Anybody watched the Royle Family? I find it painful and a rather uncomfortable reminder about the mindlessness of TV.

  4. roll your own by kajoob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the face of pressure from the tv industry, Replay may be dropping the 30 second skip feature and Tivo doesn't even have it unless you do the little hack and even then it's a pain in the butt. May I suggest taking a look at MythTV - it's a homemade PVR using linux, but if you take a look you'll see that it's full feature. You can schedule shows, the program listings are all there, it notifies you of scheduling conflicts, etc.. it is truly a Good Thing.

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    1. Re:roll your own by zsmooth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How is TiVo's 30-second skip a pain in the butt? You type a six button sequence to turn it on, which doesn't need to be done again until a reboot. Then it's just 1 button to skip 30 seconds. How is that hard?

      I'll tell you what's a pain in the butt - building your own PVR. Trust me I've done it. I still love my TiVo more.

  5. Building your own by Uhh_Duh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Still...I'd much rather use something like FreeVo or MythTV and actually burn my shows to cd, stream whatever I want, etc, etc."

    The /. crowd is still missing a valuable lesson in "building your own tivo" -- it's freaking EXPENSIVE! I love how all the lists of "needed hardware" included multiple super high-end video capture cards -- each of which costs the same as a full TiVo.

    I love my TiVo (I own two of them). The software rocks. My wife can use it. My 2-year old can use it, and yet I'm still amazed at how powerful it is. Then along comes the OSS community. Builds a competitive box at 3x the price, software that's more difficult to use, and a feature-set that still can't compete. (yay for OSS).

    Buy a real TiVo -- you won't regret it.

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  6. Why is ReplayTV always picked on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I own a ReplayTV 5000 series. There is a lot of open source software available for it to allow for endless uses. The best is DVArchive. This software basically emulates a new ReplayTV on your network. It allows you to have an unlimited amount of space for shows (limited by your available HD space) without having to "hack" your ReplayTV. These shows play in real time from your computer just as if they were on the local box. They are saved as MPEGs, so you can easily burn an SVCD or convert to another format.

    As for the bankruptcy issue, ReplayTV was bought by D&M, the company that produces products under the Denon and Marantz brands. The Service has and is going to continue as normal. The price for monthly service and lifetime activation are going to increase (they will now be equal to Tivo's), but that does not affect current lifetime customers in any way.

  7. Not to gloat, but... by Asprin · · Score: 3, Interesting


    I must be the luckiest guy in the world....

    We just traded our cable box for a PVR through our cable company. We got an integrated PVR/cable box with a 40 hour hard drive, and almost no DRM - we can record everything except pay-per-view. They even let us spit stuff out onto tape if we want.

    All for $5 per month. (JOY!)

    All the standard PVR features are there, though there's no commercial skip button.

    Now, here's the interesting part:

    The cable box is from Atlanta Scientific (not sure of the model number - 8???? I think), and declares itself as a Pioneer brand device on the firmware boot screen. The box itself is software upgradeable (by the cable company) and has what looks like:

    * RCA inputs (tech told me video source will be functional in a few days, so these may be usable soon)
    * 1 USB port
    * 2 FireWire ports
    * Something that looks like a smartcard slot

    Anybody know anything about these and what the extra ports can be used for?

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    1. Re:Not to gloat, but... by llamalicious · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Sounds like you have the Explorer 8000.

      I have the same thing through Time Warner cable, it replaces your digital box, and you get a new remote. It's currently $6.95/mo in my area (Central New York) on top of the digital fees. I find it absolutely worth it, but for the naysayers out there, here's my pro/con list:

      Pros:
      • Same digital cable guide you've been used to (for TWCNY customers anyway) with a couple added options.
      • Pretty damn good quality on playback.
      • Can record two channels simultaneously
      • There's 3 speeds of fast-forward/reverse (see note in the Cons)
      Cons:
      • No way to set a preference to automatically grab an extra 5-10 minutes at the beginning and end of a show when scheduling (you have to do it manually, not sure if other PVRs support this)
      • Sluggish response. At times the thing is downright slooow... so, don't expect to just pop into a channel and record. It may take anywhere from 2-30 seconds to actually start recording a station that you just changed to.
      • There's only 3 speeds of FF/RV... I'm hearing all about this 30-second skip on TiVo, et. al... and this box could also benefit from that.

      And yes, there are 2 firewire ports and what appears to be USB on the back, and a plethora of input/output options. If I remember tonight, I'll reply to this post (or in my Journal) with the list of ports (or SciAtl's spec sheet) unless someone else gets to it first (wouldja, couldja?)

      Disclaimer: I'm really a lightweight tv watcher with a meager 32" SONY Flatscreen, SONY surround sound system. I don't watch HD, I just like my basic tv watching and surround and not missing my shows due to a busy schedule.

      Grammar nazis: yeah, I know I started a sentence with a preposition; I also didn't bother to spellcheck.
  8. The funny thing about a PVR by Casca · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Something interesting about PVRs, is that they do more than let you record a show and watch it later. Much much more, and the entertainment industry should be worried.

    I picked up a ReplayTV a couple of years ago, and I watch everything through it now, only I'm not watching much of anything these days. I used to be one of those people that was tied to the couch at certain times of the day/days of the week to catch the latest episode of whatever show. Now I just record them so I can watch them whenever I want, whenever its more convenient to do so. The funny thing is, lots of stuff goes unwatched now, and I don't miss it at all. I have picked up this mentality that its there if I want to watch it later, but right now I'd rather go do blah. I'm doing a lot more blah these days, and a lot less couch sitting. I wonder how many other people are feeling this effect?

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