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Chinese Moon Base by 2012 - or 2006?

apsmith writes "Former congressman and House Science chairman Robert S. Walker has written some rather striking conclusions about Chinese intentions in space over the next few years, based on information received for the recent Commisison on the Future of Aerospace. Walker is convinced the Chinese are going all-out for a permanent settlement on the Moon within 10 years; apparently some closer to the situation in Japan think the first landing will be in only 3-4 years. Meanwhile the Economist says IT people are starting to focus on space as the next high-tech venue. Fortunately, despite NASA's neglect, we do have a few private missions to the Moon in the works."

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  1. Re:Good for them! by mtrupe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I knew you were on my 'friends' list for a good reason!!! Great reply to a very ignorant post.

  2. Re:Good for them! by mtrupe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Uhh... Evil Islamic terrorists woke the US up on Sept. 11. Have you forgotten already? I would prefer that the US stay alert and defend itself!

  3. Re:Good for them! by XSforMe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Evil Islamic terrorists woke the US up on Sept. 11. Have you forgotten already?
    How could we. BTW have you found their evil master? Not yet? Not after bombing two nations without any provocation? Mhhhh... better start training those marines for the Siria/Iran/Saudi Arabia search.

    I would prefer that the US stay alert and defend itself!
    Trouble is this defensive concept of yours is starting to look much more like multiple offensive invasion.

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  4. Re:Good for them! by ToadMan8 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Without provocation?" ?! Are you really that ignorant? Fuck you. I don't give a shit what this does to my Karma, you, sir, are an asshole. Stop believing what the democrats feed you on the evening news and look reality in the eyes. I consider acts of terrorism and twenty something direct violations of international law and cease fire treaty reasonable fucking provocation. Troll.

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  5. Re:That's Insulting... by krystal_blade · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Astonishing...

    The chinese actually have a word for Fuck.

    And all this time I thought it was just a slang term used to indicate copulation, derived from the word "Fekt" which in ancient germanic means "to stab at" with the contextual meaning of "To stab at with a spear".

    So how bout you go hide and play "Kan" yourself. But whip me up a batch of pork fried rice first.

    krystal_blade

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  6. Sacrifice my karma for this one too by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Amen.

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  7. Re:Good for them! by axxackall · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    There was no any evidence considered by any court and proving that Sep/11 has done by Islamic Terrorrists on their own. There too much of doubts that CIA was not behind it as it was in many previous cases.

    Think about it: Bush wanted to get Iraq oil. In order to get into Iraq he had to make an impression that Iraq is not the only country he is for. So, they decided to begin with Afganistan and thus to preliminary brain wash americans. How to get to Afganistan? Simple - let's bomb something in our own country and let's blame Osama and others in Afganistan and let the show begin!

    So, don't use Sep/11 as an argument - it has been never proved in any court, especially in the International Crime Court, which has been officially denied by USA arrogant Govt.

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  8. Calm down, big fellah by ianscot · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Stop believing what the democrats feed you on the evening news and look reality in the eyes.

    Succinct translation: "Watch Fox News."

    I consider acts of terrorism and twenty something direct violations of international law and cease fire treaty reasonable fucking provocation.

    Please list the "acts of terrorism" toward the US proven to have been committed by Iraq.

    We're painfully aware of the Bush administration's attempts to link Al Quaeda to Saddam Hussein using the "intelligence sources" that are now under so much scrutiny in light of the puffed-up WMD argument. Our intelligence also told us Saddam was in that bunker on night one: yesterday the soldiers searching on the scene admitted they could find no evidence of a bunker at the site. Alas, the Ansar al Islam group is now completely off our radar as a result of the war, having scurried across the border to hide, so we can't question them about this subject... Leaving alone the 9/11 hints Condy Rice so quickly disavowed.

    Please also contrast this policy toward Iraq's violations of international law with the US policy toward Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, and South Africa over the last 50 years.

    FWIW, I agree with you that "without provocation" is an overstatement. The questions for me, and a lot of other people, are whether the war was justifiable and whether it's going to accomplish what it intended to. Right now we're taking it on the chin internationally for having "spun" our pretexts for going to war when we did. I see no evidence that the Bush administration is emerging from its determined solipsism with respect to international opinion; we keep right on acting like right-wing domestic supporters are the only audience for our policies. The jury is very much out on Iraq's reconstruction and the volatility of the middle east -- they're both supposed to become peaceful and stable as a result of this war and its aftermath, but that's a damn tall order, and this was an extremely high risk policy.

    Oh, excuse me, I guess all those questions are just "ignorant," so why should we expect answers? You're brave, you're strong, and Fox is the only voice you want in your ear. Never mind.

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    1. Re:Calm down, big fellah by Anenga · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Succinct translation: "Watch Fox News."
      That isn't such a bad idea. Liberal views has a death grip on the American media. FOX is pretty much the only network I've found that is anything close to fair & balanced. CNN, CNBC etc. allow liberals to come on all the time and let them spin, and their viewpoints are always liberal.

      People hate Fox because it has some conservative/republican content on it. To liberals, ANY conservative views on any media automatically deems it some kind of anti-gay/pro-war/oil-cowboy entity.
      The questions for me, and a lot of other people, are whether the war was justifiable and whether it's going to accomplish what it intended to.
      • Saddam is no more, Iraq is free
      • North Korea wants to cooperate
      • Iran wants to cooperate
      • No terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 9/11
      Seems pretty good to me.
      I see no evidence that the Bush administration is emerging from its determined solipsism with respect to international opinion; we keep right on acting like right-wing domestic supporters are the only audience for our policies.
      I think the U.S. is being waay too easy on the U.N. I mean, with Canada saying it will let Saddam stay in it's country, with France offering VISA's to Saddam & family, Russia giving Saddam reports on meetings with the U.S... why would you want to trust those people with anything? International Opinion != Right.
      The jury is very much out on Iraq's reconstruction and the volatility of the middle east -- they're both supposed to become peaceful and stable as a result of this war and its aftermath, but that's a damn tall order, and this was an extremely high risk policy.
      You should read this.
  9. Re:Good for them! by HBI · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Amen to that. Wiser words were never spoken.

    The UN was intended to serve the purpose the League of Nations never did: provide an infrastructure of 'cooler heads' to keep the global breakout of war from ever happening again after WWII. It is too bad that the very explosions over Hiroshima and Nagasaki that signalled the end of that war, also made the UN itself obsolete.

    The brushfire conflicts of the Cold War were intractable to the UN, and those in the post-Cold War world have also proved intractable, save with US intervention, without exception!

    The 'cooler heads' missing from 1910's Europe and 1930's Europe are provided by the tens of thousands of nuclear warheads aimed across oceans at various powers. The UN as a peacemaking (or peace-keeping) force is a waste of time.

    That being said, the work of WHO and other social services bodies within the UN is very worthwile and would be appropriately continued in a body which no longer had notions of being a world government.

    The ultimate US withdrawal from the UN is long overdue.

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  10. Take Action Against the FCC (OT) by syrupMatt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This Monday, FCC Chair Michael Powell will hold his vote on media
    consolidation. There's nothing special about that date -- it's totally
    arbitrary. The vote will conclude a process which has shown deliberate
    disregard for the views and opinions of the American
    people. Powell has refused to even release the actual language of
    the rule change -- it won't be known until after the vote. And he's
    only held a single meeting to hear the views of the public. Even when a
    bipartisan group of Senators requested that he give Congress some time
    to discuss the impact of this change, Powell brushed them off.

    Chairman Powell still has the power to delay the rule change and allow
    time to have a democratic debate about its consequences. Please call
    him today and ask him to allow a real public debate on an issue of such
    massive importance.

    You can reach Powell's office at:
    (202) 418-1000

    Once you've made your call, please let us know at:
    http://moveon.org/fcccall.html

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  11. Re:Good for them! by DWIM · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    So we start with a thread about the Chinese establishing a moon base by 2012 and wind up with a political screed condemning the US as a terrorist nation being moderated up to +5, Insightful?

    Moderators, the parent is off-topic. Please re-read the guidelines.

    (yeah, and my little rant here is also off-topic to the thread -- how oh so meta-ironical)

  12. Re:Good for them! by raju1kabir · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    "Without provocation?" ?! Are you really that ignorant? Fuck you. I don't give a shit what this does to my Karma, you, sir, are an asshole. Stop believing what the democrats feed you on the evening news and look reality in the eyes. I consider acts of terrorism and twenty something direct violations of international law and cease fire treaty reasonable fucking provocation.

    Okay, let's hear about the acts of terrorism that constitute provocation for war on the part of Iraq. This ought to be fascinating.

    P.S. The USA has far exceeded Iraq in violations of international law. Imagine Kuwait 10 years ago, except Iraq successfully takes over and occupies the country and tries to kill its leaders.

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  13. Re:Good for them! by KingRamsis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hello !
    I am for the arab world, whatever happend on 911 was certainly not the official story, now I'm not saying that Dubya made it happen he is simply too stupid for that, but there is something FISHY about it, click over and read:

    1.Two 911 Jetliners EXCEEDED Their Software Barriers

    2.The Israeli "arts" students cheering and photographing the collapse of the WTC?

    3.The WTC buildings were designed to withstand a jet impact

    4.9/11 Survivor Describes Multiple Explosions

    ok now you read it, dont be scared, or you can just ignore it and trust your reality.

    not just a rumor started in the arab world...
    dont you just *WISH* that it is a only a rumor :-) ?

  14. The Americans are awake now! by nortcele · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    ALERT: The Chinese are planning to take the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction to the Moon. Bomb the Moon out of orbit! Dig up all the Afghan and Iraqi mines and plant them on the moon. No one else can go there (provided we really have been there...)! We own the moon!

    P.S. We plan on taking the SDI lasers and using them to burn large American advertisements on the moon...

  15. Re:Good for them! by Dumbush · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Oh, so now you are not on the WMD high horse anymore? Is the US inspectors doing anything? Or are they stuck between nothingness and bureacratic propaganda? An irony I always find amusing is project of UN from the hawks. Are you for or against UN resolutions? If you are for it, explain why US voids UN resolution and conduct military operation without UN approval. If you are against it, then stop bitching about Saddam voilating resolutions. Hint: pick one side and stick to it. The way I see it, be it Bush or Saddam, "evil" has little intention of letting others get in their way I consider the adjective evil could be apply to someone who oppose landmine ban. Are you the supporter of evil now? Damn, Saddam is such a puppet, that he's implemented when he's needed, and now he's deposed when he's done? I wonder how much time Rumsfield spent washing his hands since he shake hands with Saddam. I would be quite happy to see a change of leadership in Iraq, but I in no way would agree a country could invade a country base distaste of leadership. Simply put, there is little moral highground(the only one I could think of is "we want to clean up our own mess"), no holy reason in this conflict. And since the conflict(there is still no formal declaration of war) is over, I guess we all have no choice but to seat and wait. However, should things go wrong, the Iraqis could care less your vote, and you couldn't carry any of their pain either. Isn't it nice to exercise your "responsibility" to determine other's fate? Mind you it's not a game where you can start over if things are screwed up.