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Mozilla 1.4 RC1
Mister.de writes "Mozilla 1.4 RC 1 is out. We've added lots of features and fixed lots of bugs since Mozilla 1.3. Help us shake it down in preparation for Mozilla 1.4 final. More information is available in the release notes. Mozilla is an open-source Web browser, designed for standards compliance, performance and portability."
This gets rid of the major bug that prevented me from installing 1.4beta on my windows box. Good to see all the bug fixes and feature improvements. Unfortunatly the 1.4final release is likely to be one of the last for the Mozilla suite. I know a lot of the devs like the more componentized Firebird series but as an end user I love the suite. Guess I'll just have to suck it up and get used to it =)
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No, they're hoping to do that in Mozilla 1.5.
Perhaps someone from the Mozilla project will read this...
I notice that there's an IRIX version of Mozilla available from the nightly build collection, yet there is no IRIX version on the offical releases page. I know SGI maintains a port of IRIX on their OSS and freeware sites, but these are usually out of date. I think it would be nice to see an IRIX download of the final releases on the actual Mozilla site. If the hardware already exists to build the nightlies, I wouldn't imagine it would take much time or effort to build and tar up the final versions for download as well.
Or at the very least, how about add the links to SGI's two download sites to the Mozilla release notes. OpenVMS is even listed!
Just my $0.02. I've been using the nightlies for a few weeks now and am very happy with the progress that has been made since Mozilla 1.0.
NTLM works, but not on 98. Works fine in NT and 2k. So to say it works is a little disingenuous. And yes, I did post this to bugzilla.
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Probably the coolest change of all in this release, is the ability to build Mozilla for Windows using only GCC! Whoo hoo! No more VC++ crap! Can we get a build for Cygwin/XFree86 next? That way those of us forced to use Mickeysoft can go all Unix software!
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I'm posting with my fresh and shiny 1.4 RC1, and I have to say that the subjective speed is increased significantly over 1.4 beta.
It feels on par with opera now...
Congrats to the mozilla team
Btw... why is RC1 announced on slashdot? wouldn't it make more sense to kick their ftp servers in the nuts when 1.4 is finalised?
I never even thought about moving over from IE to Mozilla or any open source browsers after previously using Netscape 4 and lower versions a few years ago, but with how well done these browsers are and their customability you really can't beat them. They have something for everybody and once you install one it is as easy to use as IE and less prone to crashing. Also it does not have hidden files it saves of everything you do on the internet that it does not tell you about and you can't delete from a menu in the options.
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I'm one of those unhappy Rage 128 owners who have Mozilla 1.4 crashing on them after about half an hour of usage, RC1 too. Is there any way for Mozilla to work around the bugs in ATIs drivers?
you mean, "Mozilla Firebird"? According to The Mozilla Branding Strategy: When referring to Thunderbird or Firebird before or during the 1.4 release cycle, make sure to use the project name with Mozilla pre-pended as "Mozilla Thunderbird" or "Mozilla Firebird" instead of Mozilla alone or Firebird/Thunderbird alone.
and then Use the names "Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla Mail" to describe the Firebird and Thunderbird projects after the 1.4 release.
Which I guess makes the old, Firebird-DB problem kind of moot, since after 1.4 there really will be no "Firebird" Browser, just "Mozilla Browser"
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I looked at the latest release notes and didn't see anything about this being fixed. Anyone else experience this problem/have a solution?
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Firebird is NOT exactly a fork. According to the page (OK, I've read it somewhere, old phoenix's page, I think), to make a Firebird build they get the latest CVS Mozilla and patch only the interface code. This way, if some change in RC1 is deeper than interface, then it is automagically in the next Firebird. You can see this if you go to about:config in Firebird. You'll see (should I say legacy) options for about everything in Mozilla (mail/news, composer).
Mozilla and Firebird both use the exact same engine - Gecko. And since Firebird is built off of the same trunk as Mozilla, the version, and hence capabilities, of Gecko are the same. Almost all of the differences between the Mozilla Application Suite and Mozilla Firebird (to use the correct terms) are UI and removal of non-browser components.
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See, they just use the Windows dll, and if that gets updated, Mozilla should just be able to get things done.
Good thought, bad example.
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There's been a lot of discussion about how Mozilla 1.4 will the be the last version in it's current form, as Mozilla 1.5/2.0 will be based on Firebird... Keep in mind that one of the goals for 1.4 is to replace 1.0.x (currently 1.0.2) as the stable distribution version. So while future versions will have drastic changes to the GUI framework, 1.4 will live on with small fixes for those that aren't needing or wanting the very cutting edge. Just as there are many current unix and linux distributors shipping 1.0.2 today, there will be many shipping 1.4.x a year from now. As for the version number discussion, my vote is to call the next version 1.5... I think the version 2.0 title should be reserved for a refined, heavily tested version of Firebird. Much like the extensive testing that went into the current flavor of Mozilla before 1.0 was released. Maybe I just don't like version number bloat...
one small bug with mozilla 1.4x and win xp is that when you try to save a file mozilla will add stuff to the file name, for example file.mpg will be saved as file.mpg.mpeg. that by itself isnt a problem but when you run across a file like file.avi.torrent mozilla insted of launching bittorrent will try to save the file as file.avi.torrent.avi which is a pain in the ass
You're right, they're not. So I suggest that you complain to ATI that their graphics card driver is full of bugs and can lead to random crashes of applications that use graphics in a serious way. They already admit that the problem is at their end so you may as well let them know that you find it unacceptable.
For what it's worth, I'm not sure if this particular crash is actually still happening. It's been in the release notes for ages, but I don't recall many reports of it happening recentley. Maybe it's been fixed by the latest driver upgrade.
Calling the next Mozilla release 2.0 will not be justified. Although Mozilla Firebird will have a completely new ui, Mozilla does not consider such things important for releases. After all, it's not an end-user product.
If you remember the Mozilla 1.0 Manifesto, you'll see that one of the most important point of that release is:
So unless and until we go break the APIs, or do other major work at that level of the program, there is not yet a reason to call it Mozilla 2.0. Because once again, it's not the occasional end-users which are Mozilla's customers, it's the people embedding Mozilla in various products, the people distributing releases based on Mozilla. And those don't care about some silly little front-end changes.
If potentially getting absolutely buggy and alpha builds doesn't appeal to you, you won't want to download builds from latest/ - you'll want to download from latest-1.4/
This is hardly incremental. The inclusion of NTLM is a monumental advance. It means I no longer need to use IE on my intranet which uses NTLM for everything.
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That's bug 30841 and it was fixed a year and a half ago. It's still in the release notes because the wrong bug number was listed in the release notes, and the semiautomatic check for fixed bugs (which I believe involves Asa using the "collect buglinks" bookmarklet on the release notes and scanning for fixed bugs) didn't catch it.
Please don't judge Mozilla's stability based on the release notes. Instead, judge Mozilla's stability based on how often it crashes when you use it. (Some Mozilla developers have access to MTBF statistics from Talkback, but that's most useful for determining the relative stability of different Mozilla releases.)
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There's a bug that prevents awfully long slashdot pages from loading without making the browser freeze (especially when browsing -1). This makes mozilla pretty much unuseable for me since I spent a lot of time around these here parts.
I've switched to netscape 7, I hate to say, and it works great. Safari is still the leader for Java functionality, amazingly, outperforming IE and Moz and Netscape. For example, I can play yahoo games in Safari without my powerbook cpu fans firing up and load remains relatively low. With the others, cpu goes wild in java apps.
Anyway, the 'slashdot' bug with Moz sucks. I'll try 1.4 RC1 and report back. But I don't see the bug as fixed in bugzilla.
What I really miss in this open-source community is an IMAP/SSL alternative. I run this IMAP/SSL stuff at work, and I do have to say that its VERY slow. Sometimes connections times out and stuff like that. But the most irritating problem is that the IMAP standard is only Client Side new-messages-checking, thus the client have to check each IMAP folder for new messages (I right click on them in Mozilla and check "check this folder for messages"). This is so sick, coz my users create new folders almost every day, and they have computers both at home and work.
:(
When some computer at home gets the new messages (using IMAP/SSL) they run filters on that message instantly, and moves them around. Thus I have to check EVERY folder at work if both computers are on-line at the same time. I hate it I hate it I hate it
So bring me some IMAP/SSL alternative, and a more server-side program like exchange.
before you dl next time check out the roadmap table near end of page to see the estimated dates for the next release.
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Indeed - and not only on Linux, either. Furthermore, in spite of their "not for end users" legal disclaimer, they have a dedicated page promoting the reasons why end users should be using Mozilla. So their legal disclaimer is really just that.
To see if you experience this bug, click on this link, uncheck the "Always show this dialog..." checkbox, then click the link again. If the dialog pops up again, you're seeing it.
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Well, I don't know about you, but for me personally, mozilla does indeed live up to the claims of compliance, performance and portability, in the form of firebird. Firebird is so fast that if you set nglayout.initialpaint.delay to 0 in about:config (type in the url bar) it will actually seem faster than IE (by mimicking the IE behaviour of displaying the page as soon as data comes flowing in over the wire). Ofcourse, setting that to 0 will increase actual page load times on a lot of machines due to redundant painting activity, but that's a tiny detail.
You can get selection ranges out of a text control with a 1.4 rc1 build...
> Would it really be that hard to merge in all the
> improvements that have been made since then and
> release 1.4 for OS9?
In a word, yes. We spent months looking for someone or some group willing to maintain the OS9 version with its separate build system and such, and no one was up to doing it.
It'd take a few weeks of work for someone who really knows what he's doing to merge in the changes at this point and then fix up all the resulting build system issues.
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