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Gecko Feet Inspire Sticky Tape

Makarand writes "Geckos have the remarkable ability to climb the most smooth surfaces and hang from glass ceilings with a single toe. Their feet are covered with millions of nanoscopic keratin hairs that can exert an intermolecular force - called van der Waals force - producing an adhesive effect on surfaces they walk on. Researchers at Carnegie Mellon have been able to mimic the adhesive ability of Gecko feet with a synthetic material that could find applications in new types of vehicle tires or allowing robots to climb walls. The material is made by using a mould created by a lithographic process and consists of a flexibile and strong substrate covered with 100 million nanoscopic hair each centimetre square. It might take several more years before Gecko tape is made commercially available to the wanna-be Spiderman, but he will have to thank the Gecko for that, not the spider."

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  1. Cool by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    but how exactly do you store thousands of geckos with their backs glued to a roll of plastic ?

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    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The same way I store all those Jehovah Witness people.

    2. Re:Cool by Rick.C · · Score: 2, Funny
      Read the package label:

      "Store in a cool dry place."

      I guess you'd have the ask the geckos what's coo'.
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  2. Interesting name.. haven't heard it before... by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
    called van der Waals force

    Decent name. Although, I would have prefered: climb der waals.
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    1. Re:Interesting name.. haven't heard it before... by inaeldi · · Score: 5, Informative
      There's a good article on van der Waal forces here.

      Unless, of course, you're just being sarcastic, in which case disregard this comment.

    2. Re:Interesting name.. haven't heard it before... by dajak · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article fails to mention that the forces were named for Johannes Diderik van der Waals (1837-1923), professor in Amsterdam, who explained a variety of unexplained phenomena observed by others relating to pressure, volume, and temperature of gases and liquids with these two forces.

  3. Geckoman? by CptChipJew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spiderman sounds way cooler than Geckoman though. I mean, what's Geckoman going to use instead of a web-shooter, his super long tongue shooter? Who would make a comic book character that does such a silly thing. Oh...wait...

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    1. Re:Geckoman? by pj7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      his super long tongue shooter?
      I'm sure it would be a big hit with the ladies. ;)

    2. Re:Geckoman? by sootman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not Spiderman, it's Spider-man. And it's not Geckoman, it's Gecko-man. :-)

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  4. But . . . by DrMrLordX · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . can it help you save on your car insurance?

    Oh wait, that's Geico not . . . uh nevermind

    1. Re:But . . . by kiravuo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tire design is not as easy, Gecko tires would most likely stick to dirt, not the road. It would be like braking on ball bearings.

      Unless you attach a lint roller on the top of each tire to pick up the dirt...

      Seriously, my rock climbing shoes use sticky rubber and if I walk on sand or dirt I have to clean the shoes before I climb.

      kiravuo

    2. Re:But . . . by jedinite · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not every tire produced is a commercial tire for use on the highway.

      If this technology can be used to create stickier rubber, it would probably first be applied to r-compound tires, i.e. racing slicks. For example, these Hoosier R3S03 tires that we run on our race car.

      The behavior that you describe, your climbing shoes picking up sand/dirt is already typical behavior of existing track rubber - it also picks up small rocks, bits of rubber, small children or pets, etc...

      If this technology pans out for tire use, you will probably see it in Formula One followed by trickle down in to less-advanced racing series followed by eventual trickle down to consumer r-compound tires.

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  5. wait wait by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny

    so you are saying that to become spider-man, i just need a lot of tiny hair in my palms / fingers, right?

    I'll start working on that right now! who can wait that few years before this stuff is commercially available, when you can produce it safely* and natually?

    *safely - wear goggles.

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    1. Re:wait wait by tankdilla · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ever wonder how spiderman can stick to surfaces through his costume? Sticky clothes?

      Also, according to Spiderman the movie, which is in no way an authoritative source, Spiderman had little jagged, blade things that came out of his hand. So when he lays the smackdown on somebody you can bet it leaves a mark.

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    2. Re:wait wait by tankdilla · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've heard of a way to get hairy palms. It hasn't seemed to work thus far though. Guess it takes a certain level of mastery.

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    3. Re:wait wait by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are several explanations given in the comics:

      Earlier comics explained his adhesion abilities based on a sort of static cling, i.e. that his body projected a static electric feild around his skin that extended a few inches in either direction, and when he focused he could control it. This was, of course, because people didn't know how spiders clung to walls at the time, so it was a BS explanation. To put it in context, remember that they gave Spider Man an ESP "Spider sense" despite the fact that its clear that spiders have no ability to psychically predict the future.

      Later (80s-90s) comics seemed to suggest that he had microfiliments protruding from his skin, much like this gecko tape or the movie, but never made a big deal about it.

      More interestingly, the early comics of the new millenium included an extensive storyline that indicated that the spider-powers were actually magical. There was a whole storyline wherein it seems that Peter is the latest in a LONG line of spider-powered avatars.

      Alternately, consider the general explanation for super-powers in Marvel: humanity contains an X-Gene, because of the manipulations of the Celestials. Certain events, especially radiation, activate it. With mutants, the radiation in utero causes the mutation; with people like Spider Man, Captain America or The Fantastic Four, radiation encountered during life did it. The mutation, though, is connected to the psychological states of people, i.e. conscious minds around the activation of the X-Gene somehow influence its "powers". This is a nice explanation of why Peter gains the "spider sense" despite it having NO analogue in real spiders: his understanding of spiders suggested that they had ESP, so his powers unconsciously developed including that ability.

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    4. Re:wait wait by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sometimes running out of web made for a good plot device- when it wasn't overused.

      It's most likely a gland that produces the web fluid. Most glands run out of fluid when they're overused. They take a while to refill.

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  6. Anbody else read Spyware?? by Lispy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Argh! Whenever I read Gecko I feel an instant itch to fire up Regedit...

  7. Re:They won't call it Gecko Tape though by jraf · · Score: 5, Informative

    argh. Link is here: Gecko tape

  8. More geckos by raynet · · Score: 2, Informative

    Same story reported by CNN and commented here :)

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    1. Re:More geckos by ctid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the same story. The one before was about discovering how geckos stick to things. This one is about synthesizing a kind of sticky tape which uses the same "approach".

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  9. Bleh by Pinguu · · Score: 2, Funny

    It might take several more years before Gecko tape is made commercially available to the wanna-be Spiderman, but he will have to thank the Gecko for that, not the spider."
    Well if you were a wanna-be Spiderman wouldn't you have the spider to thank aswell?

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  10. Spiderman by ctid · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a nice picture in this version of the article.

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  11. Nope by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just looked under my copy of Mozilla 1.3 and it doesn't appear to have any feet. WTF?

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  12. Re:Wow by simong_oz · · Score: 4, Informative

    who in turn picked it up from Nature Materials, where the full article is soon to be published. The abstract is here (advance online publication) and if you've got a subscription to Nature Materials you can get the full article from there.

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  13. Geckoman! Geckoman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Geckoman, Geckoman
    does whatever a Gecko can
    sticks to wall, any type
    catches thieves just like flies
    look out here comes the Geckoman

  14. Wonder how it compares to the berkeley gecko glues by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Informative
    More on gecko glue... The nature article (below) has cool pictures of gecko feet.

    http://www.nature.com/nsu/020826/020826-2.html
    Aug 2002... "Researchers have created two prototype glues after confirming that geckos owe their amazing ability to scamper across ceilings and cling to polished glass solely to many thousands of tiny, spatula-tipped split hairs on their toes.hese bond weakly with the molecules in any surface on which the lizards run.

    The scientists, based at the University of California at Berkeley, cast two sets of imitation gecko toe hairs. Their mould was a microfilter with which biologists usually remove bacteria from solutions. They then tipped the hairs with silicon rubber or polyester.

    In the lab, both materials adhered as well to most surfaces as the natural wall-crawlers. "

    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020826/geck o.html
    "Aug. 27 [2002] -- Research into the gravity-defying acts of geckos, which can scale smooth walls in seconds and support their weight by a single toe, has led to a prototype "gecko glue" that one day may help a small robot walk surfaces in spac"

    http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/10/18/03840/816
    Oct 18th, 2002 ... "And if it [mass producing synthetic gecko glue] doesn't, we can harvest setae from geckos as they shed their skin and setae every few months. It's not mass-production, but it would provide plenty of setae for the micro-applications."

  15. Seuss by TummyX · · Score: 2, Funny


    100 million nanoscopic hair each centimetre square


    Is it just me or also you? I think you talk like Dr. Seuss too.

  16. Re:Wonder how it compares to the berkeley gecko gl by JimDabell · · Score: 3, Informative
  17. yes! geckoman by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny

    you know, he gets more airtime than spiderman, for sure... and he comes fully insured! Parker is probably harder to get coverage for than Jackie Chan...

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  18. Get your own gecko feet for free by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    You don't need expensive research or fancy nanohairs : just wear ski boots for a full month without taking them off and we'll guarantee your feet will become sticky enough to climb any smooth surface.

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  19. It's a Berkeley project! by Onnimikki · · Score: 5, Informative

    This work actually originates in Bob Full's Polypedal Lab at Berkeley. Check out this SF Chronicle article published in 2000 to find out a little more.

  20. No need for web shooter by MarcQuadra · · Score: 4, Funny

    He could just totally awe the enemy by LICKING HIS OWN EYEBALL and keeping a straight face. I always thought that was weird.

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  21. Sweet, velcro obsolete? by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I have not studied the domestic gecho, I can already see an application releasing existing things we have from postit notes (you can't really clean them) to velcro. Not to speak of velvet padding based on the gecho material to help anchor something in the event of earthquake... this fall under the catagory of cool beans.

    Presently, with the exception of that 3m postit stuff, the only thing we have close to a reuseable adheasive that I know about is spray glue. Per the instructions on the can you apply, let dry, and it in theory stays sticky. As long as you don't mind running the risk of having green goo stuck to places. Double stick tape is also a current product i've used to mount stuff with the intent of having it removable. It's only a soso solution.

    I'd be hip to a gecho solution.

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    1. Re:Sweet, velcro obsolete? by Unleashd · · Score: 2, Informative

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      But Geim admits that the current fabrication method does not lend itself easily to mass production of the tape. And a more serious concern is how to make the artificial setae durable enough to be reapplied many times, he adds.
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      Unfortuately it doesn't seem like it is re-usable at this point so its current usage would be very limited

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  22. Peeling by Inflatable+Hippo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The act of peeling tape is to apply a large force to a small area of the tape, overcomming the adhesion locally.

    A Gecko may well use the same trick.

    Consider this experiment: Paint your hand and plant it flat on a piece of paper. Lift your hand and the paper comes too.

    Try it again but this time peel your hand away palm first then fingers then finger tips. The paper stays on the table.

    This is how Spider Man does it, rent the DVD and use slow motion - It's True!

  23. Re:They won't call it Gecko Tape though by Troed · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the link:

    Non-Adhesive, Self-Griping Tape

    Cool. I buy that also - but in those stores it's called "Bondage Tape" ..

  24. do they have nanoshampoo? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

    to clean the "flexibile (sic) and strong substrate covered with 100 million nanoscopic hair each centimetre square."

  25. Greptile... by jpellino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    3M make a tape called 'Greptile" that Pearl Izumi made into a set of matching handlebar tape and cycling glove. Each has lots of microscopic protrusions that make the things stick like crazy to each other - not sure how microscopic, but the ads always had EM photos of the surface. 3M also sells the raw tape. Reviews are great, but it never really caught on. For most cyclists, increased padding is prolly preferred over increased grip - you can always squeeze harder.

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  26. Nanoscopic?? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do people have to make up new words when the term 'microscopic' is what we are really talking about. Anything that you can't see with the naked eye is microscopic...Smacks of 'hey let's throw in some high tech sounding buzzword so it looks even cooler than it is' to me.

    Not that it isn't cool. It is. I want my Spider Man gloves!

    1. Re:Nanoscopic?? by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is pretty annoying.

      People don't think about what they're writing anymore. It's like they thought "Oooh, microscopic has a micro in it, which means a millionth. So if I say nanoscopic, that means even smaller!"

      When in reality micro- in this context just means small, and -scopic refers to seeing. A much better choice of words would have been nanoscale. A buzzword in itself, but a bit more accurate.

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  27. Covert Ops by mothrathegreat · · Score: 2, Funny
    I wonder how long the CIA and secret services around the world have been climbing around air vents planting bugs and so on using this stuff.

    CRASH!!! ..... FREEZE ...... [frenzied submit clicking] .... BANG!

    In all seriousness though this could be cool for so many things, walking about in zero g (not as much fun, I know) , professional thieves will love it (they're probably stealing some now). The list just goes on.

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  28. Re:What about the mighty H-bond? by Untameduk · · Score: 2, Informative

    H-bonds can only occur between substances with hydrogen in and even then its only in special cases. They occur in compounds where hydrogen is bonded to either oxygen, nitrogen or flourine. This kind of limits what u can stick to.

  29. Re:What about the mighty H-bond? by simong_oz · · Score: 5, Informative

    sorry, but you're wrong. Hydrogen bonds are a special form of van der Waals 'bonding' which happen to be much, much stronger (as the original poster pointed out) and so they get a special name. A hydrogen bond is usually considered to be when a hydrogen atom is bonded to either N (itrogen), O (xygen) or F (luorine). F is a bit of a special case since it is so electronegative that it forms a much stronger polarisation than either O or N and it forms very, very reactcive bonds - it's why hydrofluoric acid (HF) is so dangerous.

    H-bonds do not bond H to H, they cause a (part of) a bond to become polarised (the electrons are effectively dragged away from the H atom), creating a very strong van der Waals force.

    Van der Waals force works between any two reasonably flat surfaces

    van der Waals forces work between [bonded] atoms. A surface just has a larger area so you get more bonds in "action", hence a larger force of adhesion.

    and any surface is flat on a small enough scale, which is what this tape is exploiting.

    no, completely wrong - the smaller the scale, the rougher the surface. That's why surface roughness (Ra, Rs, cla) measurements are all standardised to a certain length .

    The gecko exploits the fact that it has a high surface contact area to mass ratio (look at the size of the pads on the feet to it's body size).

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  30. Re:Weight limits? Tilting Cars needed ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you say 1 mile per gallon and a top speed of about 25 miles per hour?

    Rolling resistance of tires made with this stuff would have to be insanely high.

  31. I'm guessing it would be like velcro... by SolemnDragon · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can see it now: Experiment Aborted Due to Robotic Feet Getting Stuck Together...

    And you could end up having to apply depilatories to unstick your GeckoBots? Or your Geckos... in which case you'd have one massively angry gecko horde on your hands... but you'd be the only one still able to climb the walls to get away...

  32. Re:This isn't usable for humans by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the article says 1kg per square centimetre. Let's say your average geek is about 100kg ;) So to support yourself on one hand, your hand would need to be 100cm^2, or about 10x10 cm. It's not that far out. Maybe you would need to lose some of that belly, or use two hands.

  33. Re:Interview by dbrutus · · Score: 4, Funny

    20th century warning sign
    Please do not walk on the grass
    21st century warning sign
    Please do not walk on the walls

  34. Geckos don't stick to everything... by MrIcee · · Score: 4, Informative
    Living in hawaii we have plenty house geckos brah. We love our house geckos because they keep our homes insect and spider free. They stay out of the way, up in the ceilings and windows and are very cute and loveable. However, some caveats are in order when dealing with geckos:

    1. Don't confuse gecko eggs for the tasty mouth freshener TicTacs... they look identical (though gecko eggs are just slightly larger) (as an aside note, don't confuse cockroach eggs for unground coffee beans).
    2. Don't "lemon pledge" your fine wood interior walls... I did this and the geckos CAN NOT STICK TO THE WALLS for about 6 months. I unfortunatly killed my entire house gecko population a few years ago due to trying to lemon oil my walls to keep them in good shape. Gecko's couldn't stick. They'd jump up to the wall and slide down. Most of 'em died cause they couldn't get to food. Took about a year to get the population back.
    1. Re:Geckos don't stick to everything... by malia8888 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I live in Hawaii ; and, have watched many geckos scamper on the walls. My former husband, a big, burly football coach, loved to try to "tame" our house geckos. He fed them coffee creamer and bits of mashed potato. One day he felt he had succeeded in allaying the fears of one of these timid wall crawlers. One of the big ones was holding his ground and didn't move upon his approach..

      Coach called to me and smiled as he showed me this little creature no longer feared him and held his ground. The more-than-vacant expression seemed to escape my husband. The gecko was dead.

      I laughed too hard. We are divorced.

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  35. As opposed to WHAT kind of tape? by ianscot · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Sticky tape" -- Whatever will they think of next?!?

    Seriously, I'm looking at this article and thinking, it could hold x-and-so weight per square centimeter, to release you peel from the side slowly, it loses its stickiness with multiple uses, it's too expensive to make right now and it's a little bit fragile... Just exactly how superior would this be to -- ta dum -- a roll of heavy-grade packing tape? Other than the expense and the fragility of it, it seems to have accomplished basically the same traits.

    Maybe the normal tape leaves behind a film of adhesive, where this doesn't? And this is faster to apply and release -- though only for Geckos so far? The accomplishments and accolades should pile up any minute. (Beat. Beat. Still waiting...)

    I'll take Tape Woman and her sidekick, Post-it Gal, over whoever this Gecko-based hero is -- at least for now.

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  36. Don't buy it. by Lux · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Geckos are living critters, this stuff isn't. If you base a robot on this stuff, I'm guessing it will work for a day, then fall off the ceiling when the fibers are worn down. Keratin is the big clue there. It's the same protein that's in our fingernails.