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Copyright Defeats?

Uruk asks: "Over the last few years, we've seen what looks like the victory of copyright and business interest at the expense of the consumer. There's been The DMCA, the UCITA, all of the legal wranging over DeCSS, and so on. Copyright holders can even shut your website down without doing the research about whether or not it was appropriate. Johansen did seem to be acquited of some of what was brought against him as a result of the DeCSS situation, but that was in Norway. Does anyone know of any copyright or consumer victories on the net in the last few years? Something that limits the abilities of these laws, or otherwise acts in the copyright spirit of free use? My hat is off to GNU and EFF, even Project Gutenberg. What is the status of this ongoing battle? I'm looking for the sunny side to a situation that seems littered with defeat."

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  1. Sure. As of yesterday even. by jdcook · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The U.S. Supreme Court handed down a unanimous ruling allowing public domain material to be copied without crediting the source. This is a good, if small, thing.

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    1. Re:Sure. As of yesterday even. by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the things to take into consderation with respect to this case is that it was not a copyright case.

      Fox made the choice of not renewing the copyrights on their material in the 1960s, so their material lapsed into the public domain.

      When they became aware of the new release of their shows, (which were edited severly and removed all traces of being published by Fox in the first place) they chose to file a trademark infringement suit.

      What the justices provided as feedback is that material that is covered under copyright can not be further covered under trademark. 'All Things Considered' last night did a piece on this, and noted that what the justices are saying is that once the copyright expires on Steam Boat Willy, aka Mickey Mouse, Disney can not prevent people from using his image and original footage via Trademark law.

      Personally I suspect this is a major part of why Disney is fighting continuously to extend copyrights. They are seriously afraid that they will be hurt by people who are fans of the original material re-using it to their own ends. While there are more than a few people who will make derogetory pieces, there will also be more than a few who will use the material as inspiration for new material that will reflect well upon Disney in general.

      I have a suspicion however that as long as the Disney company, and the Disney family exist, they will fight to get extensions on copyright.

      The primary claim behind getting extensions to copyright is that if I write the Worlds Greatest Novel, get it published tomorrow, then get hit by a bus next Monday, my kids and family should be provided for.

      Ok, I buy that, however I really think that once my kids reach the age of maturity, they should make their own way in life. As a result, I think that copyrights should have a lifetime of 30 years, or the lifetime of the author plus 18 years 9 months. (Which ever comes first.)

      Then again, that's just me. You probably have your own thoughts on the matter.

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  2. Re:Legal plagiarism? by hazem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure public domain is so much a matter of ownership but what you can do with it.

    If "Happy Birthday To You" were in the public domain, then restaurants could have their staff sing it to you on their birthday without paying for it. That doesn't mean they are necessarily claiming credit for it.

    As for Shakespeare, I'd be foolish to claim his work as my own. But since it's in the public domain, I'm free to put together a cast and perform it for the public without paying any royalties to his estate.

    If Mickey Mouse is ever PD, then I'll be able to make my own T-shirts and keychains without having to pay Disney any royalties. But nobody will believe me when I say I created Mickey Mouse - and even if I did, he would already be in the PD and someone else can do what they want with him, regardless of my claim.

  3. What about Off-Shoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How come no one has talked about off-shoring "illegal" websites/servers? People who think their websites/servers may be considered "illegal" under the DMCA or UTICA should move their sites to off-shore web hosting companies in copyright-unfriendly countries such as Russia, India, China, etc.

    That way, the RIAA/MPAA can't touch you. Why do you think doom9.org hasn't been shut down? AFAIK, the website appears to be based in UK.

    Off-shoring seems to be the best solution in bypassing the sticky fingers of the MPAA/RIAA Valenti cabal.

  4. Re:Dastar vs. FOX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another link for some opinion on this, from Politech:

    http://www.politechbot.com/p-04801.html

  5. Re:Legal plagiarism? by pthisis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did you read the decision?

    The courts held that if there had been nothing added to the work, Dastar might not be able to claim it as their work--but since they had added nontrivial original material they were free to call it their own.

    Similar to if you wrote an adaptation of Hamlet to the modern day, or wrote your own ending for the Mystery of Edwin Drood--add your own original material and you're free to claim it as yours.

    That said, academia DEFINITELY has stronger protections on crediting sources than the law requires. That makes sense both from a standpoint of due credit (often a noncommercial researcher views credit as their primary payment for a job well done) and from an academic standpoint (interested readers can then go read the original sources and learn more about the subject or evaluation your interpretations of those sources).

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  6. SARS patent by nerdup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not strictly copyright, but still IP related, is the patenting of the SARS genome by the BC Cancer Institute to ensure its availability for all. Whether doing this was a victory, or the necessity of having to do it a defeat, I leave up to you....

  7. Battles have been won by alizard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    However, the war is going to be lost in the USA.

    Remember, with respect to any specific law, the bad guys only have to win once. Their resources are effectively unlimited and they can try again and again and again until an obscure amendment to a law nobody ever heard of or a "must pass" appropriations bill gets added and suddenly. . . it's a bad law.

    The best EFF and the rest of the alphabet soup geektivist civil liberties groups can do is fight a holding action.

    The reason is that by definition, a non-profit organization can't contribute a single dollar to a political campaign.

    We can't beat the bad guys in the long run, without at minimum, having our own top-bracket lobbyists working congressionsal offices, matching them dollar for dollar, having full-time legislative analysts checking EVERY bill and relevant agency regulation for booby-traps, and full-time staff answering phones and opening mail (like the snailmail with our $5 and $20 and $100 contributions) and e-mail and running mailing lists to let us know when it's time to send a message through Congress via their fax gateway.

    In other words, we need our own PAC with enough startup budget to set up the infrastructure and do the election commission filings (e.g. FEC) required to legally collect and spend money in DC and each of the 50 states.

    This hasn't happened and won't happen. Nobody with the startup money will put it into any "geektivism" organization that isn't tax-deductible, it isn't enough to feel good, the people who can write $1M checks demand tax-writeoffs as well.

    If somebody was willing to do the right thing today, it is probably (perhaps the problem can be fixed by throwing a shitload of money at it) too late for a NRA/AARP style PAC to go into business in time to intervene in the 2003-2004 election cycle.

    The other option: our high-tech vendors stop doing the "deer in the headlights" thing, stop being hypnotized with the promise of endless profits out of the catalogues of the major content owner members of *AA (MPAA/RIAA) organizations if they only make unbeatable DRM. The promise is bullshit anyway, it depends on fiber bandwidths to every home anyway.

    By the time 10Mbps to every US home happens, the vendors will have had to move their R&D and production operations to free countries anyway.

    The war is for all practical purposes over in the USA.

    The place to make a stand? Probably the EU.

    Most countries have publically funded election campaigns, meaning Hollywood can't legally buy politicians and anti-American sentiment is growing. So if you're in the EU and you aren't part of a high-tech political activist group, join one. If you can't find one in your nation, start one. Find people who already know the political game and learn how to play to win.

    If the EU doesn't get it, the center of technology development not only moves out of the USA, but out of the Western world to places Hollywood can't buy off. India and China, for instance.

    The Chinese are already planning for a future in which the rest of the world buys its tech from them. They are already working on plans for a permanent manned moon base. They are already designing and fabricating their own CPUs.

  8. I like those principles, except by RealAlaskan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I like those principles, except for the second

    Creators deserve to be compensated.

    I just dug a very deep hole, and filled it in again, neatly. I worked very hard. I deserve to be compensated.

    As an absolute principle, ``Creators deserve to be compensated.'' is flawed. The rule is ``Arbeit macht mudes'', not ``Abeit macht Geld''.

  9. technology and human nature by zogger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Copyrights are an artificial construct. From day one. Yes, the creator made them, he owns them, directly on the media he created the idea on. Yes also, anything copied-outside the original, on some sort of physical media, is a copy of an *idea*. Ideas by their very nature are just that, ideas, what came out of humans brains. Ideas get used, and other humans see them, then use them, modify them, combine them with other ideas. This is HOW humans got to be advanced. Joe caveman builds a knapped flint knife. Joe caveman #2 sees this. If #2 steals #1s knife, that is stealing. If #2 sees the design and the technique, then he can build his own knife, then two humans have a knife, two families now have a means to cut food more effectively, to work skins, carve wood into other useful articles, defend the family cave. This is a *good* idea. Joe#2 has used sticks to poke hole in the ground to drop seeds, but the sticks always splinter and break. he tries just the knife, but his arm is too short to get a good enough swing. he gets another idea, ties the knife on the end of the stick, now he has a hoe, perhaps he grows so much that one first year famine for his family and tribe are averted. The ideas have expanded, everyone benefits. Joe #1 played a tune on an old falling down log, sang a little around the fire, and all was well. Joe #2 copied that idea when he went over to the next valley, perhaps it was an icebreaker for him, to show his worth to strangers perhaps, they liked it. Maybe he was a bachelor, and enchanted a new mate, widening the gene pool. His ideas spread, his DNA got more variables. It worked, the concept of idea sharing caught on.

    And so forth, to where we are now

    Putting restrictions on the sharing of ideas slows down human progress. It is an artificiality that was introduced in the feudal period of human development and society, it was designed to seperate the "classes" to restrict knowledge and enjoyment and ideas in general from "the royals" and "the commoners". Among all things, the "royals" were known for greed and exploitation. That "owning" the ideas let them enjoy that power, to maintain it, but it stagnated our humaness, and created more problems than it solved. It was...wrong. it was an extension of gluttony and greed. It was abnormal before that time. It's a relatively short time period in our human history that "owning" an idea has been considered normal. We have a term for that part of our history, it was the "dark ages", aptly named.

    That concept and society, that aspect of feudalism, was and is a flawed civilization. We can recognize that that fork of humaness had serious flaws by merely looking at the historical record. We should strive to get beyond that, we should go back to our roots as humans who cooperated, voluntarily, for everyones mutual benefit, by sharing ideas, and not by force, but just because it's right, and it works better, the idea of sharing ideas IS the better idea, because it has empirical proof that it worked when we did it.. who really wants a return to feudalism? then why should we strive to one of the more heinous aspects of the feudal gestalt? It is illogical.

    Our technology is such now, in extremely recent times, that copies of ideas are practically free,effortless, and the sharing far and wide just as easy. It is THE closest thing to a "replicator" we have. This is an amazing time. Would anyone really complain about a material object replicator? I doubt it, if everyone got to use one. It would be so fantastic the inventor would be feted across the planet. So, this complaining by the royal feudal idea owners about our only true replicator is a demand to stay stuck in that sort of archaic feudalism, the dark ages, the age of incredible greed, and incredible want.. That's all it is once you strip away the rhetoric.

    Yes, it will cause some adjustment in our world, so have all other advances with technology. This time you would think we might be smart enough to not look this incredible gift horse in the mouth, to take this "idea replicator" and run with it, see where this renaissance of sharing of ideas can take us. Hopefully we can, if we are as smart and as advanced and as civilised as we insist we are.

    1. Re:technology and human nature by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      While I would like to see the Star Trek future as much as you, I don't think capitalism is an entirely flawed model. While it's true that when you have wealth it tends to be distributed unevenly, there will always be something that some have more than others, whether it is money or seashells or bits of pocket lint, which should become scarce in the future what with all the nanofabrics, right?

      Right. So what's wrong with capitalism? The only problem with the capitalism we have across most of the world now is that it is TOO uneven. Some people have WAY too much money and some people have WAY too little. Now it's okay to have very little money in some places, like those with socialized health care. I know that a lot of people are already pissed off at me but look, it doesn't cost ALL that much, and I think the whole world ought to make that sort of thing a priority. Just require that anyone who can do some kind of menial labor, perhaps pack them off to go farm or macrame or something. I'm never good at planning for human details.

      If we're all willing to do that, I think the world could really be a better place even given Capitalism. I think that the matter replicator thing is the only thing that could bring us out of it. But look, you want to take away the uneven distribution of wealth which is truly the Capitalist Dream and the people will not give it up so rapidly. One small step at a time, Comrade.

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  10. Re:Sunny Side! by Bonker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This has been modded funny, but technological advances are the real winners in the 'Copyright War' so to speak.

    It's been said that the best way to get an unjust law struck down is to enforce it rigorously. This proved *very* true during the Prohibition era. It's proving true now, as well. The fact that the country and media intrests are trying to absolutely enforce copyright edicts means that more people will see them as evil, unecessary, and ridiculous. More people will break the law willfully and let their conscience guide them instead, for good or ill.

    Napster, Morpheus, Gnutella, Kazaa, WASTE, IRC, Usenet and other P2P trading media are the logical outgrowth of this effect. They are the modernday equivalent to the 1920's 'Speakeasy' club. Everyone knows someone else who uses them, but nobody does it themselves... at least when anyone in authority is around. The fact that they can't be stomped out no matter what pressure the media industries apply is the greatest victory opponents to unfair copyright statutes can have.

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  11. Interesting quotes from the ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    A couple interesting quotes from the ruling:

    page 10
    supporting Fox's argument,

    would create a species of mutant copyright law that limits the public's "federal right to 'copy and to use,'" expired copyrights.

    Hopefully we can use this to overturn the DMCA. Publishers are using the DMCA to keep people from copying public domain material off of DVDs.

    page 12

    And of course it was neither Fox nor Time, Inc., that shot the film used in the Crusade television series. Rather, that footage came from the United States Army, Navy, and Coast Guard, the British Ministry of Information and War Office, the National Film Board of Canada, and unidentified "Newsreel Pool Cameramen." If anyone has a claim to being the original creator of the material used in both the Crusade television series and the Campaigns videotapes, it would be those groups, rather than Fox. We do not think the Lanham Act requires this search for the source of the Nile and all its tributaries.

    Fox's audacity is amazing. They claim to deserve credit for material which they copied right out of the public domain.

  12. Re:Legal plagiarism? by Theatetus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If a student copies Shakespeare, and claims it as their own original work, it is plaigerism, and by tradition, they will get a failure on whatever assignment they plagierized on. Here, the public domain appears at first glance to be open to legal plagiarism.

    That's an academic setting, where instructors have every right to enforce plagiarism rules.

    But by today's copyright standards, every single play Shakespeare (or de Vere, or Bacon, or whoever) ever wrote would be an infringing work (playz?). He ripped off, sometimes verbatim, every single author he could get his hands on. And he did it brilliantly, producing some of the best literature in human history.

    So, yes, the public domain is completely open to "piracy", and this is a Good Thing.

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  13. Bridgeman vs. Corel - a major victory by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One major victory was Bridgeman vs. Corel., in 1999. Bridgeman sold, as 35mm slides, pictures of famous works of art. Most of those works, dating back centuries, were in the public domain. Corel purchased copies of Bridgeman's slides, digitized them, and created a CD-ROM of clip art, which they then sold. Bridgeman sued for copyright infringement.

    The court held that photographing a 2D public domain image does not create a new copyright. It lacks sufficient originality. This follows the well-known Feist vs. Rural Telephone, which established that mere lists, like phone directories, are not original works. (As the Supreme Court wrote, "The threshold for originality in copyright law is low, but it exists.")

    As a result, you can now put clip art of out-of-copyright material on your web site.

    Corbis is trying to get around this. They add watermarking data to an image and then copyright the watermarking data. They then claim that the DMCA prohibits the removal of the watermarking data, even though the underlying image is not copyrighted. This needs to be litigated.

  14. Slightly OT, but... by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I suggest moving your business elsewhere. There's nothing that will get dumb draconian laws repealed faster than all websites operations moving overseas, where (hopefully) the grubby hands of the DMCA et al can't reach them. The American govt care about the economy more than anything else, and if they see an e-commerce drain to other countries, they might be prepared to change the situation. But whilst all you entrepreneurs are still starting up in the good old U S of A, why would they bother to change anything?