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Stealing the Network

Blaine Hilton writes "Stealing the Network is a refreshing change from more traditional computer books. The authors have created fictional stories based on non-fictional concepts that could really happen to our computer systems today. The realistic fiction approach makes the book much lighter to read and actually entertaining. I also believe this approach makes the true methods behind the fictional stores much more memorable then memorizing thousand page textbooks." Read on for his overview of the book. Stealing the Network: How to Own the Box author Ryan Russell, Tim Mullen (Thor), FX, Dan Kaminsky, Joe Grand, Ken Pfeil, Ido Dubrawsky, Mark Burnett, and Paul Craig pages 328 publisher Syngress rating 8 reviewer Blaine Hilton ISBN 1931836876 summary An interesting fictionalized approach to hacking and other aspects of information security.

I'm leery of books that are written by multiple authors because the writing style always seems to keep me off beat from jumping around, however in this book it works out well since the book is organized as a series of short stories. Each story describes somebody involved in information security -- either somebody trying to access a system, or a person trying to keep the bad guys out.

If you are looking for a step-by-step guide to locking down your computer and network, this is not the book for you. Instead, this book is more to help people who already have at least a basic understanding of information security to see from another perspective. Stealing the Network looks at other reasons why people can break in: everything from being told to go to industry conferences to not collecting access cards when an employee leaves the company. What this book left deepest in my mind is to trust nothing, and assume even less.

After the ten short stories of how hacking is really done, there is a nicely done appendix along with Ryan Russel's "Laws of Security," which finishes this fictionalized book in a very non-fictional way. The laws cover most of the problems with current IT infrastructure, but do not go in-depth with what I believe is the biggest security hole, the user. Many of the stories touch on this fact but that's about the extent of it. I believe this may be because there are not any easy solutions to human behavior. This book says it best with "people are lazy."

At 328 pages (in pretty large text), this is a great easy read, though the book would be better with a lower price tag. However if you work with or around computers and the Internet, this book is very enlightening, if not completely informative.

Table of Contents
  • Acknowledgements
  • Contributors
  • Forward
  • Chapters:
    1. Hide and Sneak
    2. The Worm Turns
    3. Just Another Day at the Office
    4. h3X's Adventures in Networkland
    5. The Thief No One Saw
    6. Flying the Friendly Skies
    7. dis-card
    8. Social (In)Security
    9. BabelNet
    10. The Art of Tracking
  • Appendix - The Laws of Security

Most of the book's authors have websites you can hit for more information; follow these links to find more from Ryan Russell, Tim Mullen (Thor), FX, Dan Kaminsky, Joe Grand, Ken Pfeil, Ido Dubrawsky and Mark Burnett, as well as Jeff Moss (who wrote the forward).

You can purchase Stealing the Network from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

141 comments

  1. Woo Hoo! by ryanr · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of my books finally made it onto Slashdot. I wrote the "Worm Turns" chapter with Tim Mullen, acted as tech editor for the book, and wrote the overall outline. Pretty easy book to be a tech editor on. I'll be watching this thread if there are any questions I can answer.

    1. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      A well earned first post. Congratulations. ;)

    2. Re:Woo Hoo! by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do have a question. Does Syngres still offer their books in a downlodable text? I try to find this feature in most of my tech books and unfortunatley not many companies publish them this way.

    3. Re:Woo Hoo! by ryanr · · Score: 5, Informative

      On some books, they do. When I "registered" my copy of this book, I was given a link to download a .PDF of it. Be aware that on some books (mostly older ones) the .pdf file(s) were contained in a Windows .exe.

      If enough people care, I'll make them produce a HTML file or something.

    4. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just lost so much respect sipmly be answering that post. Granted i'm loosing respect for myself for answering your. [/sad]

    5. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A highly professional and constructive reply, sir. I'm sure your peers are proud of you.

    6. Re:Woo Hoo! by ryanr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I couldn't have fun with the trolls, then Slashdot would be less enjoyable.

    7. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. But not in a thread connected to yourself in a profesional manner. I can't argue with you though, us ACs can be really pricks. :)

    8. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh please... how much respect does a script kiddie have to begin with?

    9. Re:Woo Hoo! by ryanr · · Score: 1

      It's hard to imagine taking myself so seriously that I'd be afraid to have fun for fear that someone might think less of me.

    10. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are.

    11. Re:Woo Hoo! by Mooncaller · · Score: 2, Interesting
      How would you feel about submiting to a /. interview. Tech writting is an important part of any tech carrer. I have done quite a bit of it myself, including a 200+ page process procedure. I like to write SF short stories. When ever I do tech writing I pay as much attention to sentence structure and flow as when I write a story. The result is "wawawawawa". Nothing sticks. The prose is too smooth. That makes for a lousy procedure. The problem is that the procedure lacks a good plot.

      I'm interested in tech writiting and would like to do it better. I'm sure there are there /.ers who feel the same way. It would be nice to get the perspective of some one whos been there.

    12. Re:Woo Hoo! by Flabby+Boohoo · · Score: 1

      Man, that was quite funny.... thanks for a much needed laugh today!

    13. Re:Woo Hoo! by ryanr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Clearly, from the amount of whoring I've already done in this thread which is only tangentially about me, I'd love to do an interview.

      There are any number of details about how I perceive writing, what it's like to work with Syngress, etc... that I'd love to talk about.

      I can see where writing procedures, where there is little or no opportunity to include any personality, would drive one insane. I have no formal training on writing, other than the classes they have you take in college. And I read a lot. I was a little concerned about that when writing fiction... but that's what editors are for (to tell you you suck.)

    14. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I absolutely prefer it when she swallows. My wife isn't generally willing, but your mom...

      Dude.. I don't want to hear the word "wife" and "mom" in the same sentence depicting oral sex. You twisted fuck...

    15. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So much for your credibility, buffoon.

      ...and I was just starting to read this thread thinking how great it was for one of the authors to be around. Oh, well...

    16. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless that someone is your publisher, twit. Grow up.

    17. Re:Woo Hoo! by Mooncaller · · Score: 1
      have no formal training on writing, other than the classes they have you take in college.

      Even better. I'm sure most /.ers, who would be interested, have no formal training in writing either.

    18. Re:Woo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless that someone is your publisher, twit. Grow up.

      Growing up is about independance... Guess that's 2 chars too much for your decimal brain.

    19. Re:Woo Hoo! by britten · · Score: 1

      yo yo i want it in html and i didnt see the link to get it in PDF form when i registered my copy... ill tell you what though dude... good job... i plan on purchasing all of your other books because of this one!!! i would like a list

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      -britten
  2. Stealing the network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    5 finger discounts at CompUSA!

    1. Re:Stealing the network by fussman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh, come on. That was funny!

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    2. Re:Stealing the network by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2, Funny

      For me it's a four finger discount now. Be careful of doing that in third world countries.

  3. Short Review? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why cant I just Amazon for review like this?

    1. Re:Short Review? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I didn't know this book existed.

      Now I do, and I'm better off for it.

      I don't go browsing through Amazon looking for reviews to read.

  4. Learning through fiction by nacturation · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a very valuable technique. After reading the Clavell novels (primarily Shogun) I was able to pick up and understand a small vocabulary of Japanese as it wasn't "dry" information. Hopefully this will be a great way to get management to clue in a little better to security without PHBs realizing that they're learning valable material.

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    1. Re:Learning through fiction by fastdecade · · Score: 2, Informative

      Too true, it was zammechat how much dobby Nadsat was learned while reading "A Clockwork Orange". I once saw some real foreign language books start in English and gradually incorporate another language, wish I could get hold of something like that now.

      Another novel about software engineering is The Deadline: A Novel About Project Management by Tom De Marco, author of the classic text, Peopleware. As the title indicates, it's a novel that not-so-subtly illustrates certain points about project management. I haven't read it as rumours indicate the romantic aspects are a bit average, but amazon reviewers seem positive.

      Further afield, another educational book is
      The Richest Man in Babylon, a fable which attempts to demonstrate, albeit in a crude way, the how and why of saving $$$.

      Any others?

    2. Re:Learning through fiction by ryanr · · Score: 1

      Syngress specifically wanted to try teaching through fiction. (If you haven't heard of them before, the vast majority of their books are intended to teach IT techniques.) I personally was just interested in trying to write some fiction. I've written parts of a number of other books for them, but those are all closer to textbooks.

      The obvious setting for my first fiction attempt is the information security field that I'm involved in. Well, that and hacker stuff is probably one of the few things you could make stories out of in the IT field. I mean, I've got some good router stories too... they just don't appeal as broadly.

      So, we both got what we wanted, and I think it turned out pretty good.

    3. Re:Learning through fiction by obtuse · · Score: 1

      Humor and negative example are pretty commonm.

      This is why I reccomend the BOFH series to new system administrators. You can just laugh, or you can think about privacy violations, user abuse etcetera. Like Dilbert for the corporate world, but less whiny.

      I like the idea of using fiction to teach, but so often it just ends up being smarmy. I'd like to try it myself, but balancing an agenda with the demands of a good story is hard. Just ask Goofus & Gallant.

      I'll look for the book, and the publisher Syngress.

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      Assembly is the reverse of disassembly.
    4. Re:Learning through fiction by epiphani · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. If someone can write an engaging fiction about adventures with AIX, I'll happily read it. In fact, I will personally give the author six months of my salary. Anyone who can write engaging fiction about AIX deserves it.

      But honestly, I recently read Kim Stanley Robinsons' Mars Trilogy (Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars). As a result, I feel like I know a fairly good chunk about current martian geography, theories on various teraforming techniques, and about as much on the most likely case of social development of a martian culture.

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      .
    5. Re:Learning through fiction by crucini · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can be a big hit with Japanese co-workers by bellowing "kinjiru" at random moments.

  5. Great, thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A whole book review that consists of the Contents listing, and a whole paragraph that says "I liked the writing style, even though it was written by more than one person." Gee thanks. Next time save your time and just give us a link direct to the Amazon listing why not?

    1. Re:Great, thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Maybe there needs to be a "book summary" icon for those "reviews" that really aren't.

      For the folks writing these "summaries" and calling them "reviews": how about at least superficially delving into criticism/praise for the book? I'm not asking for in-depth information, but at least a little more than this offers.

  6. Re:fp! by ryanr · · Score: 5, Funny

    In one of the stories, a book author beats the anonymous coward for first post on his book review story.

  7. There was this guy.. by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    There was this guy.. and he liked to tell stories that had meaning, because it was easy to remember the story, and the associated meaning... man, what was his name... (Insert favorite diety/boddhi here)

    People inherently remember stories and songs much better than bare facts.

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    meh
    1. Re:There was this guy.. by fussman · · Score: 1

      Good Point. The only thing I remembered from reading Hacking Linux: Exposed was a story on how a kid (roughly 19 if I remember correctly) comprimised an ISP. I certainly would remember all of the facts it they weren't in story form.

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    2. Re:There was this guy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      People inherently remember stories and songs much better than bare facts.


      Transferring knowledge orally is the most important way of transferring knowledge and persuasions. It's only very very recent in human evolution that written text has acquired such an importance in transferal of knowledge (like in teaching) to the "unwashed masses". The oral tradition is very strong.

      For those of you that is doubtful of this claim: Why do you think that your boss is head of the department, even though you find him technological incompetent? Why is it "always" so the programmers whose code truly sucks is promoted ahead of you? Why do you think that the "market droids" so often wins a discussion, even though their "solution" is pretty bad?

      As a professor once told me : There are so many articles published each year in this field, that is impossible to read them all. So how do you find those articles that are of importance? By osmosis! You hear a colleague that has heard from an another colleague that such and such article in some obscure journal is very interesting. Knowledge trickles trough various filters before it reach you.

      Wonder what would have happened if Guthenberg was allowed to take a patent (don't think that particularly concept existed at that time) off his invention of the printing press.

      /Functorium

    3. Re:There was this guy.. by Nurlman · · Score: 1
      Wonder what would have happened if Guthenberg was allowed to take a patent (don't think that particularly concept existed at that time) off his invention of the printing press.


      What would have happened? The patent would have expired 14 years later, that's what (28 years if he bothered to renew it). Net effect on society: probably about zero, because technology didn't spread very quickly.

      Gutenberg invented the moveable type press in 1455. The first printing press didn't appear in England until 1476, more than 20 years later. Printing didn't become regularly established in Europe until the turn of the century, and even then, printing presses only managed to churn out a handful of books per year.

    4. Re:There was this guy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would have happened? The patent would have expired 14 years later, that's what (28 years if he bothered to renew it). Net effect on society: probably about zero, because technology didn't spread very quickly.


      Hmh, I must have used too many words in one sentence. You must be an American, right? /Functorium
  8. Question: by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yes mister Ryanr, I have a question that demands your expertise. How do I perform what is commonly refferred to as "teh haxX0r" on the internet? And is the art of "haxX0ring" related to "hacking" in any way? I am routinely laughed out of IRC chat rooms because I am not "l33t", as they put it.

    Thank you.

    1. Re:Question: by ryanr · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're similar, but with hax0ring, you yell "3y3 0wn j00!!!!11!!!1!" a lot, and the actual hacking part looks a lot like flying through a wireframe cityscape.

    2. Re:Question: by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're similar, but with hax0ring, you yell "3y3 0wn j00!!!!11!!!1!" a lot, and the actual hacking part looks a lot like flying through a wireframe cityscape.

      Phew. And here I was starting to think that the movie "Hackers" lacked actual basis in reality. At least they got *that* part right. ;)

      So, exactly where is your gibson, and how do I get to h4x0ring it?

    3. Re:Question: by sharkey · · Score: 1
      So, exactly where is your gibson, and how do I get to h4x0ring it?

      Here you go. Ask him about his raw sockets.

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    4. Re:Question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the actual hacking part looks a lot like flying through a wireframe cityscape.

      Oh, you mean UNIX? I know UNIX!

    5. Re:Question: by ndavidg · · Score: 1

      I think what you need to do first is get yourself one of those high-tech computers capable of flashing "Access Denied" in a red 400 pt. font. when you turn it on.

  9. Amazon by Meeble · · Score: 5, Informative

    here is the Amazon Link.

    I'm always wary of amazon reviews anyhow though, half the time their anonymous and most likely the publishers, authors, and editors. With my lack of trust does that mean I'm as knowledgeable as I would be from reading the book ? ;)

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  10. Parody time. by cyt0plas · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess it's time for someone to write "Steal this Network" - a howto guide.

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  11. Where to buy by bogie · · Score: 1, Informative

    "You can purchase Stealing the Network from bn.com"

    Or from Amazon
    Insert secret Slash affilate number here

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    If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    1. Re:Where to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, were you under the impression that Slashdot is not interested in making money?

    2. Re:Where to buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh are you just and asshole who can't take a joke?

  12. very good by towaz · · Score: 5, Informative

    I downloaded this as an ebook from syngress its cheaper :)

    The stories were all well written, covered a varied amount of subjects and were not heavily technical.

    Hope to see more books take this different angle, the only one that seemed to be written the same style recently was Art of deception.

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    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
    1. Re:very good by ryanr · · Score: 2, Informative

      If this one does well, then it's pretty much guaranteed that Syngress will do a sequel.

  13. I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble... by bc90021 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...while I was waiting to see TM:R. I started reading it, and in half an hour was through fifty pages already. It was compelling, to say the least.

    The reviewer is quite correct - this book is different from most normal security books. Instead of "here's the attack, here's how to defend", it is a collection of fictional stories. Since I only read the first one, I can't comment on the rest of them, but the first was enough to make me want to read the rest.

    Needless to say, when I got home that night, I ordered it. Since then, I've been like Calvin waiting for his red beanie - every evening I come home and it's not there... but the next day I am psyched that it will be! (It should be arriving today! I am quite anxious to read the rest.)

    My recommendation is that you check it out if you get a chance. :)

  14. Re:Your Website by ryanr · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Yes, well.... Look over there! A shiny thing!

    Seriously, yes my website is pathetic. At the time, I had planned to spend some free time doing some research, and post the results there. Instead, I started the vuln-dev mailing list, and my time went there. One of these days, I'll pull thievco.com onto my home network (it's on a $20/mo hosting service) and make a blog thing out of it.

  15. Logical evolution by niom · · Score: 1

    The talking socks network security book is expected any time now.

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    1. Re:Logical evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The talking socks network security book is expected any time now.

      Well the pets dot.com puppet is looking for work. He even has a resume.

  16. Computer Security Quote by bpfinn · · Score: 3, Funny
    Could someone remind me who stated the two laws of computer security:
    1. Don't buy a computer.
    2. If you do buy a computer, don't turn it on.
    Thanks.
    1. Re:Computer Security Quote by fussman · · Score: 1

      3. If you must turn it on, do not install any modems, netwrok cards, dsl routers, etc. 4. If you must have the above items, do not put anything useful (not even your own name) 5. If you must use a name, use one from any Jerky Boys CD (such as Sol Rosenburg, Frank Rizzo, Jack Tors, etc)

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    2. Re:Computer Security Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if there's a computer hidden under your bed?

    3. Re:Computer Security Quote by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The two laws you mentioned are known as Jeff Richards' Laws of Data Security

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    4. Re:Computer Security Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you must use a name, use one from any Jerky Boys CD (such as Sol Rosenburg, Frank Rizzo, Jack Tors, etc)

      The former mayor of Philadelphia makes crank phone calls? That's pretty good for a dead guy.

  17. The laws of security: by cyt0plas · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) By the time you finish reading these laws, they will be hopelessly out of date

    2) Don't use anything that Microsoft got near, even if the interaction was nothing more than an underling squinting at it over his morning coffee - It might be tainted, don't risk it.

    3) The nice thing about being a security consultant is that if the customers knew enough to judge your work, they wouldn't need you in the first place.

    4) "Security Consultant" is a important-sounding title that carries very little real responsibility.

    5) It doesn't matter how good your security is, some manager will give out his password to his wife/kids/secretary/dog, and data _will_ be lost. Don't wait for it to happen, back up the data _now_.

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  18. I think this is Thor�s best work� by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...since Mjollnir for Dummies.

  19. Re:Are you taking this chance to whore your balls by ryanr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sort of. I have no need for any more karma (in fact, I'll probably lose a good chunk on this thread :) ) but I always figured if I was ever interviewed on Slashdot, or had a book review or something, that I'd answer as many questions as I could. That's the point of an interactiv website, yes?

  20. Fiction as technical by genkael · · Score: 3, Funny

    And then Bob realized he could do an nslookup on his IP. Frustration rained. They he realized that inevitably he had forgotten to put in a reverse lookup into the nameserver.

    It just doesn't work for me.

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    GeneralKael -- Slacker Extraordinaire
    1. Re:Fiction as technical by genkael · · Score: 1

      er...could not

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    2. Re:Fiction as technical by Effugas · · Score: 1

      Funny...my chapter has this entire section where a defender can break through a set of decoys by comparing all the sources of packets against all the sources of DNS lookups, while an attacker can detect his own detection by monitoring reverse lookups of his own IP.

      --Dan

  21. reminds me of... by newsdee · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...a book I read long ago, that was supposedly a novelized true story about how a network administrator "catched" a hacker. Unfortunately I don't remember its title nor the author, but I expect somebody here will remember the scene where the guy melts his sneakers in the microwave, because he wanted to quick dry them... :-)

    Does it ring a bell?

    1. Re:reminds me of... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...a book I read long ago, that was supposedly a novelized true story about how a network administrator "catched" a hacker.
      Might you be thinking of Cuckoo's Egg by chance?
      The story of how an admin caught an intruder.

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    2. Re:reminds me of... by theguru · · Score: 1

      The Cuckoo's Egg? It was mostly non-fiction. I don't remember a tennis shoe part, but it's been ages since I read it.

    3. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Cuckoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll. Good reading.

    4. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are most likely thinking of; The Cuckoo's Egg, by Clifford Stoll.

    5. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's The Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll.

      Very good book (if a little dated)

    6. Re:reminds me of... by lightcycle · · Score: 1

      Might it be The Cuckoo's Egg by Clifford Stoll? I read it a very long time ago, and I can't remember if it included microwaved sneakers, but at least it's about a network admin chasing a hacker.

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      The stars that shine and the stars that shrink
      in the face of stagnation the water runs before your eyes
    7. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think you're referring to the cuckoo's egg by cliff troll.

    8. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the book you read was definitely the cuckoo's egg by cliff stroll. very good book. :)

    9. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Cuckoo's Egg by Clifford Troll, my friend!

    10. Re:reminds me of... by ryanr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great book, one of my favorites. The difference is that his is a true story. Well, that and he's a much better writer than I am.

    11. Re:reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, and he's a lunatic, have you ever been to one of his speeches? He destroyed the podium, flipped over the water pitcher, and walked off muttering to himself, mic still attached. Surreal

    12. Re:reminds me of... by ryanr · · Score: 1

      I saw him speak at the Computer History museum. He did seem a bit out there... but I can't recall any destruction of property. Maybe he only does that if he's the closer? :)

  22. Re:I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble. by TopShelf · · Score: 1

    Given the writing style, perhaps this would be something to recommend to PHB's, to put security issues into an understandable framework?

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  23. Re:fp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not very impressive considering the book author is a Slashdot subscriber giving him quite an edge over the AC.

  24. don't forget The Cuckoo's Egg by paulmcd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a clasic that shouldn't be forgotten. "The Cuckoo's Egg", by Clifford Stoll

  25. Great Pedagogical Technique, this by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this is an excellent direction to take education in. The difference between book learning and real world knowledge is always context. Book learning teaches you math out of context, teaches you grammar out of context, and what have you. It's the real world that teaches you the actual context for applying the book learning. Whereas a book like this, presenting the knowledge in the way it does, actually takes you back to the original purpose for stories: to teach.

    Remember Aesop's Fables? They weren't meant primarily to entertain, but to teach a moral lesson. The same with the little incidental stories we tell each other daily about, for example, how so-and-so got fired because he was surfing porn on the company network. The entertainment value is incidental.

    Given that bodies of knowledge, IT and otherwise, are multiplying so rapidly, it seems like the only way to get a reasonable handle on it as a society is to create these kinds of stories to put it in context.

    Great work, guys.

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    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
  26. yes it is... by newsdee · · Score: 1

    and thanks for the sp correction. I improve my English through /. :-)

    1. Re:yes it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/through/though/

      my wife's second language is english so i do a lot of this

      you might like this site

    2. Re:yes it is... by Carbonite · · Score: 4, Funny

      I improve my English through /.

      Sweet Jesus! That's like improving your health through heroin.

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      ich muß mehr Kuhglocke haben
    3. Re:yes it is... by jhines0042 · · Score: 1

      Ok... you got me to laugh out loud in my office... someone with moderator points bump this up a bit!

      --
      42 - So long and thanks for all the fish.
    4. Re:yes it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus i didn't even understand what you were trying to say - that someone should improve their English through /. is completely incomprehensible to me

    5. Re:yes it is... by newsdee · · Score: 1

      > I improve my English through /.
      Sweet Jesus! That's like improving your health through heroin.

      Of course! What else do you expect from addicts? :-)

    6. Re:yes it is... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      You're welcome, although that's a frightening thought.
      --

    7. Re:yes it is... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      That's like improving your health through heroin.

      Well, if you're looking for weight loss......not as fucking boring as Jared's Dead Horse.

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  27. Personally, I like the idea... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 3, Insightful


    ...of using a fictional approach to highlight security vulnerabilities. How many times have we sysadmins tried to point out the dangers of a particular practice (say, passwords pasted to monitors), only to be asked "what's the worst that could happen" and asked to prove the risk?

    Other than spending a large chunk of time Googling for news stories, there's not a lot of real and readily accessible information out there about the serious consequences of a lame security approach. Nor is there a pile of information that comes in an easy to understand form that upper management can grasp. Trying to explain the technical aspects will only make their eyes glaze over, and appealing to their sense of security is more often than not perceived as questioning the morality of staff.

    Anecdotal "tales" such as this, may actually help the technologically adverse see the nightmare scenarios that many of us admins lose significant sleep over, and can do so in a way that makes them understand that even the best intentions can go horribly awry.

    --

    I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

  28. rained? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reigned

  29. Our Thoughts Writing STN by Effugas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heh. STN made Slashdot. Scanrand on the shelves...cool :-)

    Stealing the Network is a relatively unique book. Remember Swordfish? Remember Antitrust? Wish there was a cheap procedure to repair that psychic damage? Because that's what got me involved. Syngress was as tired of the hype as we were. Spindly kids playing with 3D modelers to make worms was not reality. Syngress had a basic request: Show us what really happens. Make it interesting, tell a story, but at the end of the day, take the gloves off.

    Most of us had worked with Syngress before -- we'd done Hack Proofing Your Network for them, which was actually pretty well received. It was a strange experience, travelling half-way round the world to Black Hat Asia and seeing my Defcon talk on sale in a Singaporean bookstore :-) So when Syngress said they wanted to do this -- we put this together.

    We've actually put together a surprisingly good package. Everything from dumpster diving to printer abuse to some of the first real documentation of my personal scanrand techniques shows up. If there's interest, I'll put together a summary of some of the cooler things in here. And of course, if there's any questions, bug me here or in email :-)

    Yours Truly,

    Dan Kaminsky

  30. Security issues in book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    what's a more effective crack?

    (a) Denial of service

    (b) buffer overflow

    (c) sex with a mare

  31. Brilliant by Mannerism · · Score: 4, Funny

    The authors have created fictional stories based on non-fictional concepts that could really happen to our computer systems today.

    Wow. This could spawn a whole genre of books. We could call it "Science Fiction".

    1. Re:Brilliant by ryanr · · Score: 1

      "15 minutes into the future" was taken.

    2. Re:Brilliant by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Wow. This could spawn a whole genre of books. We could call it "Science Fiction".

      Man, that sounds great! We could write about the effects of weightlessness on braless women.

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  32. Here, now it's even easier... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Get a Mac.

  33. teh interweb != teh world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble while I was waiting to see TM:R"

    "Since I only read the first one, I can't comment on the rest of them, but the first was enough to make me want to read the rest."

    "when I got home that night, I ordered it. Since then, I've been like Calvin waiting for his red beanie - every evening I come home and it's not there... but the next day I am psyched that it will be! (It should be arriving today! I am quite anxious to read the rest.)"

    It never occured to buy the book from the meatspace bookstore that you cluttered up with your smelly GNU/ass while taking a 10% free sample. You could've stayed up all that night finishing the book after watching TM:R. Typical freakin' GNU/hippy, takes your free stuff, then pisses on you while he tells you how much it sucks!

  34. Highlights from STN by Effugas · · Score: 3, Informative

    All--

    Thought it'd be fun to talk about some of the more interesting material we put together throughout the book:

    --HTTP-only access to the outside world doesn't actually pose much of a barrier...httptunnel (the original web service) may not be as mindbending as IP-over-DNS or mailtunnel, but damned if it doesn't punch ssh sessions bidirectionally through web proxies ;-) This gets mentioned in Dubrawsky's attack tree analysis -- an extremely systematic breakdown of attack selection across pretty much every platform an attacker might find.

    --Worm analysis. Guys, Code Red and Nimda were astonishingly successful; there's not-so-idle speculation that Nimda was a test run from a foreign intelligence service. One of my good friends did almost nothing for a year but manage Nimda recovery. Just because it left the press doesn't mean it left the network. Reverse Engineering is never trivial (unless you're Halvar Flake and dream in x86); throw extreme time sensitivity, malicious design, and financial implications and you get an idea of the world virus fighters and worm smashers have to face. Kudos to Tim Mullen and Ryan Russell for their nuts-and-bolts breakdown of this process.

    --Joe Grand. Software-based RF Analyzer. Pre-GSM/GPRS Blackberry transmissions. Mobitex.exe. And if that wasn't enough, "Creating a fake gelatin finger to bypass a biometric fingerprint sensor.", complete with photographs.

    --Ah, FX. Leave the poor Cisco alone, man :-) And of course, it wouldn't be FX without seeing those HP Laserjets as covert outposts :-)

    --Security and Functionality tend to play in opposition...as Paul Craig points out, maybe those step-by-step guides to getting through the VPN shouldn't show up on Google :-)

    --WiFi. Dead horse. But it's nice to see it anyway.

    --Password cracking by calling up administrators and listening to them type in their password -- nice, Mark. I'd like to see some of the stats code to manage that. Also good to see Windows Proxy Autodetection getting some misexposure.

    --Auditors are given lots of leeway. No, let Ken Pfiel clarify...those who claim to be auditors are given lots of leeway.

    --OK, I'm a protocol geek. For a good time, switch to root and type:

    "tcpdump -w - -s65535 | strings --bytes-8"

    If it's ugly, it's SMB. If it's scary, you're probably at Network Interop, where there's 220 access points and you're sniffing across all of them.

    --Scanrand docs! Portscan detection on switched networks by watching the router spew an ARP storm! "If your SMTP server has teleported 15 hops closer than the rest of your host, perhaps it's being hijacked by your hotel." And more NAT games.

    --Collaborating on tracking down an attacker, while the attacker can read your email...fun.

    We've had some fun, to say the least. :-)

    Yours Truly,

    Dan Kaminsky

  35. WTF? $50 for a paperback fiction? by -tji · · Score: 1


    On amazon.com, it has a list price of $50, discounted to $35. Barnes & Noble has it for $40.

    It was tough for me to pay $7 for "Takedown" at the used book store (it's out of print now). $35 is out of my price.

  36. Re:WTF? $50 for a paperback fiction? by ryanr · · Score: 2, Informative

    A common (and probably fair) complaint. If you shop around a bit you may find it for slightly less.

    Syngress books tend to be priced a bit higher than some of the competition. They seem to be happy doing a little less volume at a little more margin. They're also a small publisher, so they don't neccessarily have the same economics of scale or influence that a big publisher does.

    The whole book industry is interesting, from what relatively little I know about it.

  37. Re:I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...while I was waiting to see TM:R.

    Aside from the demostration of questionable ethics you exhibited by not buying the book where you sampled it...what is this TM:R that you speak of?

    Before ANYONE shoots off their frickin fingers typing out a reply, I invite you to THINK AHEAD till when you will pony up your 8-10 bucks to watch the second half of "Larry and the 'Dude' Dude". OK? now that you have done that - what does TM:R stand for again?

    BTW my gf made me sit through all the frickin credits because she knew there would be a teaser for the "conclusion" of the movie. Ten fricken minutes of mouseprint on the big screen scrolling by too fast to read from "TO BE CONCLUDED" till the teaser for the same.

  38. Re:I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble. by ryanr · · Score: 1

    He didn't say where he ordered it. He might have ordered it from the same bookstore's website.

    I asked a B&N employee about in-store vs. on-line pricing once. They're fully aware that the on-line pricing is cheaper (often much less if the book falls into the "text book" category), and they don't seem to have a problem with you browsing in the store and then ordering on-line.

    Or maybe that was just the employee's personal opinion, you know, less work for her.

  39. Re:I read the first chapter at Barnes & Noble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Stick it to THE MAN!

    (I guess that should be "GNU/Stick GNU/it to Corporate oppressors!")

  40. Copyright != Patents by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wonder what would have happened if Guthenberg was allowed to take a patent (don't think that particularly concept existed at that time) off his invention of the printing press.

    What would have happened? The patent would have expired 14 years later, that's what (28 years if he bothered to renew it). Net effect on society: probably about zero, because technology didn't spread very quickly.


    If you are going to defend the current system of government monopoly entitlements, you should at least learn to differentiate between copyright law and patent law. While the two do bear similiarities in their stifling of human creativity and economic endeavor, they are not the same, and their consiquences, while often similiar, are not the same. Certainly the duration of their respective monopolies are not at all similiar. Patent law grants monopoly entitlements for 20 years on human knowledge. Copyrights grant monopoly entitlements for 95 years, or life plus 75 years, on human expression and information.

    In your comment above, you are confusing copyright law (as it was implimented in the United States after the revolutionary war, with its 14 year expiration + optionally an additional 14 years) with patent law (which had a 17 year expiration and now has a 20 year expiration, in the US, but was in other jurisdiction granted for much longer ...sometimes in perpetuity).

    Copyright in England was perpetual in its initial incarnation, and offered publishers only exclusive rights ... authors had no rights at all, until the Statue of Anne was passed almost a century later, and practically still had no rights until the Statue of Anne was enforced by a court case several decades after that.

    What would have happened is that the printing press would have spread much more slowly during its initial 'craze', giving governments and the Church more lead time in devising effective methods of censorship. Things like the reformation might never have happened in such an environment, where 20 years could have been the difference from a disruptive technology allowing exposure of a new idea ("let's all read and interpret the Bible for ourselves, rather than being spoonfed our opinions from Rome") and an emerging technology so controlled as to be reduced to a tool of the entrenched power ologopolies (sound familiar? It should: that is how everything from the telephone and radio to television and aerospace work today. The Internet was a surprising phenomenon ... one that was immediately addressed with software patents and, when that failed to quell the innovation quickly enough, draconian copyright laws such as the world hasn't seen since before copyright's relative liberalisation under the Statue of Anne).

    It is difficult to know with certainty what chilling effect a 20 year patent (or a patent in perpetuity, as was the norm at the time patents were first being offered as Royal rewards for innovation, often to those who had brought the innovation to the crown and not to those who actually did the innovating and inventing ... a sad state of affairs that exists to this day, if you substitute USPTO for the crown). However, based upon the chilling effects being observed today, and our knowledge of the importance the printing press played in political and cultural changes in Europe that led to the enlightenment and modern scientific collaboration, among other things, it is safe to day that a 20 (or perpetual) delay might well have tipped the scales sufficiently in favor of the entrenched powers so as to make any such reforms very difficult, at least, and perhaps impossible.

    Which really should give one pause. How many similiar, much needed changes and reforms have been quelled by slowing down and ultimately suppressing emerging technologies. What is it that threatens free software and the internet more than anything else? You guessed it, copyright law on the one side as wielded by the media cartels, and patent l

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    1. Re:Copyright != Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear!

      Interesting to hear about the English (British, do I dare write that?) system, since so much of the parlementarian system elsewhere is inspired from the British one. Including Common Law ;-) /Functorium

    2. Re:Copyright != Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus christ, you must have spent a good 10 minutes writing this tripe on a fucking shitty weblog.

      you must really have no life, or you think the meaning of life is slashdot karma.

    3. Re:Copyright != Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U poor person. You must have very low self-esteem. Is that why you lash out at those who are intelligent?

  41. Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hey, looks like this guy has been hacked quite a bit himself:

    Wired Article

    You can also see the contents of his home dir and some of the "sites" he likes to visit:

    Ryan Russell's home dir

    Not quite a security expert, I would say....

    1. Re:Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by ryanr · · Score: 1

      Hmm... phrack.ru has been down for some time, but you've got the link to my home dir contents handy. Who might Mr. AC be?

      Yep, the company that hosts the website that hasn't been updated in 3 years for $20/month was compromised. Is that supposed to reflect on me in some way?

      In a way, the attention is flattering.

    2. Re:Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Is that supposed to reflect on me in some way?

      Yes, in fact, it does. This is something that has obviously eluded you. You claim to be a security "expert", but you can't even keep hackers out of your own box. Very simple, you claim to be something that you are not.

      And, gee, don't you send all your emails from @thievco.com? Isn't your own email worth protecting? Hardly some "crap" stored on some canadian ISP. Wouldn't mr. security expert take care to secure his own private emails?

      Also, why do you write this book? All it does is create more FUD about hacking and hackers in general. You didn't even use real stories, likely because any real hacker would not be associated with an imposter such as you.

      Signed,

      BlueBoar Fan Club

    3. Re:Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by ryanr · · Score: 1

      Yes, in fact, it does. This is something that has obviously eluded you. You claim to be a security "expert", but you can't even keep hackers out of your own box. Very simple, you claim to be something that you are not.

      AFAIK, there have never been hackers in my own boxes, just those belonging to other people, like the hosting box in question. There is a reason that nothing important was on that box when it was compromised. Frankly, I expected it to be compromised long before. It wasn't even defaced, I was disappointed.

      Not that it would have any bearing on what I do or don't know if I box I administer gets compromised. It will happen one of these days. If having a box compromised means that person isn't an expert, then there are no experts. Heck, the guys who broke into the hosting site have been compromised a whole lot more than I have.

      And, gee, don't you send all your emails from @thievco.com? Isn't your own email worth protecting? Hardly some "crap" stored on some canadian ISP. Wouldn't mr. security expert take care to secure his own private emails?

      No, I send them through my ISP's SMTP relay, as you're probably well aware. The incoming mail comes through a mail server at the colo. As you're also likely aware, I use GPG for most of the important stuff.

      Also, why do you write this book?

      Because I enjoy writing. Read the rest of the article posts. Good troll, tho.

      All it does is create more FUD about hacking and hackers in general. You didn't even use real stories, likely because any real hacker would not be associated with an imposter such as you.

      By your definition, no the "real hackers" (the guys currently illegally breaking into stuff) wouldn't want to be associated with me. Which I'm thankful for.

      BlueBoar Fan Club

      I was beginning to worry that you guys forgot about me.

    4. Re:Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      First of all, Mr. Russell, I did not hack your box. I don't even know or care who did, but I do empathize with the person(s) that taught you a lesson.

      If having a box compromised means that person isn't an expert, then there are no experts.

      Its not just that. You don't know anything. Look in your own damn Slashdot journal. You don't even know how to code in C!!!!! Maybe you should start with html, then graduate to something more on your skill level.

      that nothing important was on that box when it was compromised.

      Your personal email isn't important? Emails about your child's medical conditions aren't important? You have a messed up concept of what is important.

      By your definition, no the "real hackers" (the guys currently illegally breaking into stuff) wouldn't want to be associated with me.

      No, I did not share my definition of "hacker" with you. You shoved that down my throat, which is one of your known tatics and why so many people dislike you.

      Do you honestly not understand why so many do not like you, and do not prefer your company? Censoring releases to bugtraq and vuln dev (which you obviously lost your job over)? Putting out "hacking" books that are nothing but shameless marketing ploys? Downing the name of real experts?

      I was beginning to worry that you guys forgot about me.

      You have been made mostly irrelevant. You lost your censorship position at securityfocus. Your private emails are circulating on the internet. You have been relegated to publishing fictional stories hoping to make money off of hollywood "hacker fear". Your dog ran away from home. There isn't much left, you have been destroyed.

    5. Re:Looks like Mr. Russell has been hacked himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to comment...

      If Mr. Russell has been made mostly irrelevant, than why do you feel it necissary to call him out and bash him in a public forum?

      Or is it that Mr. Russell has a book out - and you're just feeling left out?

      YAAC

  42. Phaeton Sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, it is books like this that taught me most of my preliminary UNIX knowledge, even before i owned a computer.

    There was a time where i (on a friend's 486) used to enjoy some $KrYp+ KiDDI3 Mischief at Hotelchat.com.

    I wanted more.

    So i started reading books about hax0rz. I read:

    John Markoff's "Cyberpunk" (talks about the Morris Worm, Mitnick and one other less known)

    Clifford Stoll's "The Cuckoo's Egg" (Ironically, i just recommended this to someone last night!)

    Tsusomi Shimomira's(sp?) "Takedown The Pursuit and Capture of Kevin Mitnick..." The final capture of Mitnick that put him away for a long time.

    John Littman's "The Watchman"- Story collaborated with Kevin Poulsen while he did some prison time for hacking/phreaking.

    (a book called) "@t Large" This one is about a disfigured, possibly mentally challenged 12 year old that did some amazing shit

    Masters Of Deception - this is an essential story about east coast phreakers (phiber optik, the 4?4 gang, etc)

    Ummm... damn.. there's a shitload more that just don't spring to mind right now. And i must say, even aside from the fact that most of the ppl in these books were presently serving time for what i was reading about, it really made me curious about UNIX. Not for the sake of being a hax0r anymore, but because seeing snippets of shell commands and UNIX logs some how gave me wood.

    I was interested as a hacker (correct usage of the word this time) would be.

    I would say that the summer i spent reading these books really changed my perspective on UNIX and computing. Now i completely abhor the notion of script kiddies and crackers.

    Go finger.

    But i will have to check these out too!

  43. goatse.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx goatse.cx

  44. Sample Chapter by ryanr · · Score: 2, Informative

    BTW, sample chapter if anyone wants to see.

  45. ObSimpsons by sharkey · · Score: 1
    man, what was his name...

    Marge, you remember, he drove that blue car?!?!

    --

    --
    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  46. Read it through today ... by cobrabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After reading about the book this morning on /., I went to B&N and actually caught sight of the book (inadvertently). I picked it up and it was such an interesting read, I didn't put it down until I had read it all. As mentioned, it's interesting in the fact that they're all 'make believe' stories carrying an underlying lesson in each chapter. A lot of different scenarios are covered and it would be a pretty good read for anyone even remotely connected to network security. Now, I am not saying that it gives you the XYZ of keeping your network safe from prying eyes ... it's far from that. In fact, the appendix is really the only thing that contains a 'true' lesson. The stories, however, illustrate the 'outside-the-box' thinking that some hackers possess. All in all, I give it about a 7 out of 10.