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Senator Pushes Bill To Limit Anti-Copying Schemes

Brushfireb writes "Republican Sen. Sam Brownback is pushing a bill that will limit the ability of record labels, movie studios and others to use anticopying technology on their products. Most notably, this is important because it states that people will be able to resell their used DVDs, along with putting a concrete limit on this behavior of DRM/anticopying schemes by the RIAA and MPAA."

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  1. Not released yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    RC1 is not released yet. None of the mirrors have had a chance sync up with ftp-master yet.

    1. Re:Not released yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Really? I see ISO files for RC-1, dated June 1 sitting on a few of the ftp servers

  2. Re:6 Days of Testing? by Everlone · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think they rely on a lot of people doing upgrades and fresh installs to catch any major problems.

    Ones that occur once the system is running tend to be found and fixed well before they start to release ISO images.

    Alternatively they could just be impatient and wanting to get on with working on 5.2 so they can get RELENG_5 tagged and forgotten about, but I doubt it ;-)

  3. Re:6 Days of Testing? by bmah · · Score: 5, Informative

    Scott is trying a slightly different model for 5.1. You might have seen where we did two BETA releases earlier in May. These occupy the same places on the schedule that the first two RC snapshots did on some other releases. The idea is that the thing called 5.1-RC1 should be really really really close to what we'd ship for the release, with almost all of the bugs (that we're able to catch anyways) ironed out during 5.1-BETA1 and 5.1-BETA2. Also, 5.1-RC1 was/is released from the CVS branch to be used for the release.

    Most of the process changes affect only committers (I think)...I'd expect that the only changes visible to most users would be the names of the snapshots.

  4. Re:i386? gcc? by bluGill · · Score: 4, Informative

    For tradtitional reasons, it is still called the i386, even though by default it won't run on a real 80386. The source code is compatable, with either chip. (Except the SMP stuff, but that is off by default). Note that the option to compile for the 80386 is not compatable with the option to compile for the 80486 and latter chips. Those who wish to use a i386 have to go through some effort to make it work.

  5. Re:i386? gcc? by essdodson · · Score: 4, Informative

    5.2 is due to have 3.3.something. 5.1 will still use 3.2.2.

    Support for i386 was removed in order to reduce bloat of boot media and gain the advantage of a very useful instruction introduced in Intel's 486 chip. cmpchg or somesuch, feel free to search the mailing list archives if you're interested, the thread went on for a good month or more.

    You can of course rebuild everything on your own and have it run on a 386, but personally I feel most anything prior to PentiumII is wasting more electricity than it's worth. Only places you'll find this is in embedded systems, and they're not directly supported by FreeBSD.

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  6. Re:6 Days of Testing? by R.Caley · · Score: 3, Informative
    Is it just me, or is 6 days between first release candidate and final release cutting it a bit fine?

    Remember, only the instalation stuff is gogin to need shaking out in that time. Lots of people will have been upgrading to and running the new code from CVS before they actually make ISO images for people to test the instalation, setup and out-of-the-box behaviour.

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  7. Re:I hope this will work better. by lertl · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm running 5.1 on my Thinkpad T20 almost without any problems. Which Thinkpad Model do you use? Maybe you can find some info at http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/, which lists not only Thinkpad laptops.

  8. Re:5.1RC is out ... by Ded+Bob · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am still on 4.8-STABLE with an Athlon, so I cannot confirm. Maybe this will help: Re: Help :) Kernel compile fails.

  9. Re:STABLE anyone? by infinite1 · · Score: 2, Informative
    See The Roadmap for 5-STABLE.

    Excerpt:

    This is somewhat similar to the situation that FreeBSD faced in the 3.X series. Work on 3-CURRENT trudged along seemingly forever, and finally a cry was made to ``just ship it'' and clean up later. This decision resulted in the 3.0 and 3.1 releases being very unsatisfying for most, and it wasn't until 3.2 that the series was considered ``stable''. To make matters worse, the RELENG_3 branch was created along with the 3.0 release, and the HEAD branch was allowed to advance immediately towards 4-CURRENT. This resulted in a quick divergence between HEAD and RELENG_3, making maintenance of the RELENG_3 branch very difficult. FreeBSD 2.2.8 was left for quite a while as the last production-quality version of FreeBSD.

    Our intent is to avoid repeating that scenario with FreeBSD 5.x. Delaying the RELENG_5 branch until it is stable and production quality will ensure that it stays maintainable and provides a compelling reason to upgrade from 4.X, To do this, we must identify the current areas of weakness and set clear goals for resolving them.

  10. Re:5.1RC is out ... by shlong · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need to add either SCHED_4BSD or SCHED_ULE to your kernel config. This is documented in the /usr/src/UPDATING file.

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  11. Re:Nice by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Let's see. There's the EFF, digitialconsumer.org, ..., anyone know any others ?

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  12. Free Karma for reading the article. by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Forget DRM, the most important thing in this bill : requiring a judge's authorization to use the DMCA to shut down a website.

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  13. Re:I may actually have to switch parties by Ded+Bob · · Score: 4, Informative

    Become an independent. Vote on the best person for the job as opposed to what the party (any) has already voted (primaries) for.

  14. amazing - if it gets to the floor by satsuke · · Score: 2, Informative

    Amazing .. Sen Brownback actually introducing something rather than just tow the Republican party line with nary a comment.

    Being one of his constituants, I welcome this type of legislation .. though it has about a snowballs chance in a warm place of actually getting to the floor for a vote .. or even debated in committie (If I remember correctly, Brownback doesn't have any committie chairs or other bully pulpit to push this from)

    1. Re:amazing - if it gets to the floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      From the sound of it Brownback is still fairly junior in the Senate - in the short term and for this particular bill this is bad, but taking a longer term view this might be a good thing if it means he hasn't been tainted by RIAA lobbying and is open to positive reinforcement from the electorate.

      I hope you will be sending him a nice letter saying how much you appreciate his effort in this area - as a constituent your kind words will carry more weight than those from other states or nations.

      If Brownback has a noticeable uptick in his mailbag on the issue then the word might start to spread that there is a political capital to be made out of taking down the pigopolists. The RIAA and MPAA have money but you have a vote and for the most part politicians are interested in money as a conduit to the votes - if you can demonstrate that a pol can get to your votes without having to spend the **AA's money then some of them (hopefully enough) will short the circuit and do the right thing - at the very least there might be a bit more resistance the next time Disney attempts to extend the Mouse's copyright.

      No doubt there are others with better understanding of the process who can tell you the most effective way of passing on your support at this stage - I'll just advise that you be calm, concise and avoid writing in green ink.

      Regards
      Luke

  15. Re:Law is not the solution by DragonMagic · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTA, though.

    The bill, authored by Sen. Sam Brownback, would regulate digital rights management systems, granting consumers the right to resell copy-protected products and requiring digital media manufacturers to prominently disclose to consumers the presence of anticopying technology in their products.

    The Kansas Republican's bill requires that a copyright holder obtain a judge's approval before receiving the name of an alleged peer-to-peer pirate. That would amend the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which a federal court concluded enables a copyright holder to force the disclosure of a suspected pirate's identity without a judge's review. This law is at issue in the recording industry's recent pursuit of the identity of a Verizon Communications subscriber.


    It would *ALSO* limit the ability for producers to restrict fair-use abilities of end-users. Pretty much, it's saying you're perfectly fine to sell your movies, music, books, etc., however you want, so long as you enable the end user to do whatever they want within legal reason with it.

    If you want to sell it, turn your DVD into a Hi-8 tape instead, or have your eBook be read aloud to you by a reader, even though the company who produced the product did not want you to do any of these, looks like this bill would require them to allow you to do this.

    I'd say that's a good bill and still allows the producers to sell their works however they wish, again, without restricting the end-user's ability to resell or change the medium.

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  16. Re:protecting the right of consumers by aborchers · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe there are about 5 of them in the Senate...


    You got a +5 funny mod, but I'm not sure you weren't being serious. I can only think of three in either house who have come out in favor of this sort of thing: Lofgren (BALANCE act), Boucher (DMCRA), and now this guy.

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  17. DMCA = Carefully crafted compromise by kaltkalt · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The DMCA was a carefully crafted compromise and balance struck by Congress." -- RIAA Fool (quote from article)

    I spit the yogurt i was eating all over my keyboard when I read that one. It's funny and sad at the same time. Yes, it was a compromise all right. Between the RIAA and MPAA.... very carefully crafted and balanced indeed.

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  18. Re:Protecting the right of Private Citizens by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Informative

    We don't need a fucking war. DRM makes massive global thermal nuclear war unnessicary to loose our ability to access media.

    Let's say Shakespere was released on a format with DRM dispite it being public domain, and the company who produces this media burnt all other copies of this work. Let's say in some new great depression this company goes out of business. How do you get granted the right to read your e-book with DRM encoding?

    Hypothetical? Try realistic. You can't get the right to view if there is no one left to give you that right.

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  19. Re:protecting the right of consumers by dmoynihan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Brownback's number one source of campaign cash for 2001-2002 was (drumroll) the Telecommunications Industry--i.e., BellSouth, SBC and a little firm on the East Coast by the name of Verizon (click on communications/electronics then "telephone utilities"). He only received $26k total for those two years, but he's up for reelection now and has likely been pulling down additional funds from his lead suppliers.

    Interestingly, Verizon's lead counsel was quoted in a NY Times article as saying "in light of the court's decision, it is time for Congress to become involved and offer a legislative solution" when they agreed to name the names of their four filesharers.

    IMHO, the only portion of Brownback's bill to pass will be the part concerning big telecom firms... we'll have to wait for Boucher or whoever to reform the DMCA, but I would have liked to have seen Fritz Hollings' face when his fellow committee member offered up this legislation.

  20. Bill summary by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here's the summary of the bill from the American Libraries Association, which likes it.

    The language is vague at this point, though. The bill hasn't actually been introduced yet.

  21. Re:protecting the right of consumers by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    You got a +5 funny mod, but I'm not sure you weren't being serious. I can only think of three in either house who have come out in favor of this sort of thing: Lofgren (BALANCE act), Boucher (DMCRA), and now this guy.

    Ron Wyden (D-Oregon).

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  22. Re:Copyright and libraries.... by shimmin · · Score: 4, Informative
    In theory, every copyright protected book and journal has to be lodged with a designated library in each country. How on earth is it possible that Software does not? The principle of copyright was limited protection in return for disclosure (explicitly including the official library copies).

    Negative on that. It was once true that a published work had to be registered with the copyright office, and that the registration process involved submitting a number of copies of the work, at least one of which would find their way into the Library of Congress.

    However, the Berne Convention, which all but a handful of the world's nations implelement, banned copyright registration for foreign authors so that the author did not have to go through the separate registration processes of hundreds of nations to secure international copyright. Rather, if one had a copyright in one's own signatory nation, one had copyright for at least life+50 years in all the signatories.

    Of course, the logical next step is that if foreign author's don't have to register, why should domestics? And this step has been taken. Now, in most Berne nations, copyright is inherent in the work, meaning that it exists automaticaly from the moment of the work's creation, and no action is required to copyright a work.

    But even in the early days, registration was only necessary for published works. While published works required registration and had a limited-term copyright, unpublished works automatically had a perpetual copyright (mainly as a protection against unauthorized publication). In fact, the Sonny Bono act can be said to have done one good thing in actually limiting the copyright term on unpublished works.

  23. Senator Brownback is one of my heros. by Christ0ph · · Score: 4, Informative

    And I'm a Democrat. It's mostly because of his work trying to improve human rights in North Korea. For a glimpse at this see yesterdays Senate hearing on "Life in North Korea" at this URL.: rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/foreign06050 3.rm Now if we can only get him to fight for the "breaking the information blockade by dropping radios" idea. See http://www.freenorthkorea.net North Korea can be freed without war.. Lets do it!

  24. Re:Protecting the right of Private Citizens by royalblue_tom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless the owner is in the UK, and is taking a tax break on it. Basically, it is the "Conditionally Exempt Works of Art Scheme" which is:

    Privately owned works of art and other objects which are broadly part of our national heritage, may get exemption from taxes on capital, including inheritance tax. In return for exemption, the owner must

    - keep the exempt object in the United Kingdom,

    - look after it, and

    - allow the public reasonable access to it.

    If the owner fails to do any of these things, the exemption is lost, and the owner then has to pay any tax due.

    http://www.cewap.co.uk/cewap/rules.htm

    Look up the british comedian Mark Thomas for more info. He tracked down a number of public figures abusing the scheme. He notes "In some cases the owners would rather cough up the tax rather than let anyone see their stuff, so by doing this we can be tax collectors of a sort!". Great stuff.

  25. Re:Just what we need by Grotus · · Score: 2, Informative

    That doesn't mean you couldn't still buy a crippled product, it just means that you can't buy a product that prevents you from turning around and selling that same crippled product to someone else.

    So, while you could buy a product that requires you to use a special player while standing on your head in your backyard, you couldn't buy one that self-destructs if it senses that you are thinking of letting it go.

    The simple way of looking at it is:
    You bought it, you can sell it.
    This wouldn't mean that you could sell copies of it, just the original it.

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