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ESR Recasts Jargon File in Own Image

don.g writes "As reported by NTK, ESR appears to have embarked apon the process of recasting the Jargon File in his own image, adding terms like "Aunt Tillie" and "GhandiCon" that he dreamt up and seemingly no-one else uses, and various terms from (of all places) the warblogging community, where he is active. He's also updated the "Hacker Politics" page to be more closely aligned with his own views."

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  1. Newsflash: this guy's a dickhead by gmplague · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw ESR speak a few years ago. It was a pretty small group (~50 people or so), and so the floor was constantly open to questions for him. He was an absolute dickhead. I asked him simply why he didn't include computer security experts in his definition of hacker and he went off on me for 20 minutes. I then countered with a perfectly valid point. To which he countered with a school-boyish sneer, and nothing more.

    He is also the most self-centered geek I've encountered. I can remember vividly a few years ago that he published "10 Sex Tips for Geeks" on Valentines day. If you have ever layed eyes on the man, you know that he is the last person you would ever want to be accepting sex tips from.

    If we want this open source movement to take off, we need somebody who's a little more socially adept as our spokesperson. Don't even get me started on how outrageous the whole bazaar and geek-gift culture are.

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    1. Re:Newsflash: this guy's a dickhead by asteinberg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interesting...I had the exact same experience while seeing Stallman speak. Having seen them both, I thought ESR was a lot more down-to-earth and approachable than RMS was. Stallman just came across as bitter and angry and was just whining about all sorts of boring things, while ESR actually had a well-organized and far more entertaining talk prepared. I got the impression that Stallman was bitter that ESR and his phrase "open source" has won the battle over Stallman's preferred "free software". When I tried asking Stallman a question he get really defensive and wouldn't even let me finish the question - he interrupted with a dismissive comment. Stallman did, though, have a couple interesting highlights...the first was when he yelled at the professor who had set up the talk in front of the whole audience because it was going to be filmed and broadcast over the internet in Quicktime (since he was giving the talk for a class which is always broadcast in this fashion). He refused to start his talk until they turned off the cameras or came up with a way to broadcast it in a format viewable by open-source players. Here, he came across as a bit immature in the way he handled the situation but at the same time it was entertaining and he was making a good point. The other entertaining thing was the whole Church of Emacs routine, although it was heavily apparent that he does it and uses the same jokes at every talk he gives.

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  2. Jargon FIle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The first time I read the Jargon File many years ago, I spent several days reading it LMAO. The entries were both funny and insightful. When I read the entries that ESR has added, I had a hard time reading the egotistical bullshit without being completely disgusted. Releasing a new version for the "hanging chad" was a complete waste IMHO. WTH did that have to do with computers? It seems that more and more of the newer entries are politically related. The sad part is that they are neither funny nor insightful.

    About six months ago I looked for copies of the older versions of the Jargon File. That was not as easy as it sounds. I don't know if ESR has been intentionally ridding the internet of the older versions, but I wasn't too happy about how difficult they were to find. If the older versions of the Jargon File completely disappear, then a valuable part of computer history will be lost. In it's place will be the mindless, egotistical rants of someone who thinks the Open Source community revolves around himself.

  3. Not surprising by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I always found his weird rant rather amusing. For example:
    Bill Gates has pissed me off from day one. [...]when his track record suggests that he wouldn't know a decent design idea or a well-written hunk of code if it bit him in the face. He's made his billions selling elaborately sugar-coated crap that runs like a pig on Quaaludes, crashes at the drop of an electron, and has set the computing world back by at least a decade.
    Especially amusing is the fact that the "sugar coated crap that runs like a pig on Quaaludes" and "crashes at the drop of an electron" could be applied to Linux (and Unix and the *BSDs) just as well, especially if the user doesn't know what he's doing. Oh, but wait - "has set the computing world back by at least a decade". We're not talking mom and pop users here, now are we? What is "the computing world"? Not the rarefied heights of academic computing, surely?

    And where was the open/free graphical OS back in 1991? To compete with Windows 3.1 and the Mac? With things like PageMaker and WordPerfect and Excel and so on?

    Especially amusing is this:

    but I do mind that he peddles himself as the ultimate hacker and God's own gift to technology
    It always seemed to me that he's describing himself.
  4. Re:Why this is kind of serious by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hahahahaha! You stupid Anonymous Coward, *everyone* should *always* fork *every* project *now*. Or didn't you realize that?
    -russ
    p.s. No, seriously, there are always good reasons to fork each and every open source project. The question is: who's gonna do it? Obviously you aren't, because you're too stupid and lazy (irrefutable evidence: your unwillingness to create a user and log in). You're too stupid and lazy to find someone else to do it, so guess what? This fork isn't going to happen.

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  5. I think you may be right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some links

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=63272&cid=58 94 139

    "My little town has a eight little churches"

    "heated but friendly arguments over MVPs like Bruce, Eric, and Richard"

    http://www.catb.org/~esr/personal.html

    "I live in Malvern, Pennsylvania"

    http://www.churchangel.com/WEBPA/malvern.htm

    Reading the account's comments, it has an "us vs. them" attitude WRT open source, and claims long-time involvement, yet it's a very recent account. Oh, and most damning of all, ESR has a cat.

  6. Re:Am I the only one here... by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Revisionist historians might now make the claim that 'The Cathederal and the Bazaar' outlines the open source software creation process but when it was originally written, it was a polemic against the 'Cathederal' method of software development being practiced by the GNU Emacs development team.

  7. Re:And this is a surprise.. why? by madprof · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It isn't meant to be a purely historical document. It is meant to be a relevant, credible dictionary of terms that hackers use, and thus merely being updated is not good enough.
    However it can only have real credibility if it can actually cover a reasonable amount of hacker slang, and the number of hackers has grown over the years so ESR is either going to be everywhere at once or he's going to choose a subset.
    It appears that, given his recent choice of entries, if he wishes the Jargon File to be at all relevant in 5 years he'd have more success auctioning dogs.

  8. ESR no more biased than NTK by avdi · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Let's be fair here, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I used to read NTK until I got sick of the snotty political commentary they tended to work into many of of their (quite interesting and witty) reports. In particular, IIRC, they've always been fond of slinging mud at ESR, who's views happen to be about as far as you can get from the generally leftist slant of NTK. There's no question that ESR puts his own spin on just about everything he does, but NTK calling him on it is a bit like IndyMedia accusing CNN of being "controlled by the Man". I don't really expect neutral content from either source.

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  9. Folks, just live with it by hpeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He's the maintainer, he has the power, he uses it. Show me the guy who wouldn't put in some of their own stuff and their own views. I would, and so would 99.9% of people.

  10. And this comes as a surprise because? by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few years back at Geekfest in Cambridge (MA), a co-worker of mine observed ESR telling a local newspaper reporter with a straight face that all geeks are libertarians. I don't think that the idea that every single last one of his fellow engineers might not subscribe to every last one of his pet political causes would ever occur to the man.

    Raymond has always been an egomaniac blowhard with a self-opinion exceeding his actual worth by several orders of magnitude, and if you don't believe me, just ask any member of the linux kernel mailing list.

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  11. That's a great idea... by OwnerOfWhinyCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... for a /. poll. It would by no means be the scientific evidence you're looking for, but it would certainly be interesting thought fodder.

    Where do you see yourself in the Political Spectrum?

    NeoConservative?
    Paleoconservative?
    Liberitari an?
    Traditionally well-established Liberal (hippie)?
    Post-Scarcity Gift Cultural?
    Redmondcentric?
    PaleoNeoCowboyNealisti c?

  12. Socialism and hackerdom by Sunnan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no beef with the entry on GandhiCon, which I thought was witty and deserving of a place.

    There are a few entries where the ESR-factor is bothering me, though, with the hacker politics page being the worst.

    I love the line "Hackers are far more likely than most non-hackers to either (a) be aggressively apolitical or (b) entertain peculiar or idiosyncratic political ideas and actually try to live by them day-to-day." which rings very true to my ears, and how the geeks (including myself) view politics. (I know people of both category a and b.)

    However, that category "b" definitely includes socialistic (esp. anarchistic) views, especially (but not limited to) outside the US. I've met plenty of hackers who hate all lefties and I've met plenty who see themselves as socialist. The phrase "affected by the collapse of socialism" just sounds like what I read in plenty of rightwing-oriented literature (I like to read stuff from both sides of the camp), but it seems false. The latest years I've seen a great strengthening in various leftlibertarian/anarchist movements. The only thing that's crumbling with the Berlin wall is leninism (and part of marxism), not the socialistic ideals themselves.

    Tonight, being in a good mood since it's a nice summer night here, I feel like suggesting that hackers should view each other with kindness regardness of immediate political view. Most hackers have a fondness for freedom, and even though some of us think that corporatism and capitalism are the greatest contemporary threat to that freedom while others think that capitalism is the best means to reach and uphold a state of freedom, the entry in the jargon file should reflect that hackerdom is not a homogenous political movement.

  13. Re:If anyone deserves some slack in this regard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Socialism hasn't collapsed, is the worst error in ESR's idiocy. The countries with the highest standards of living in the whole world are socialist.

  14. Re:If anyone deserves some slack in this regard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Most hackers I know are leftist-anarchists. We are certainly not reflected in that definition.

    Maybe most hackers in the USA are neoconservative, but here in Europe leftist-anarchism is the norm.