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IRC Forum w/ CmdrTaco & Hemos Tonight at 8pm Eastern

Tonight on irc.slashnet.org in #Forum Hemos & I will be hanging out answering users' questions. This is your chance to ask about the moderation system, story selection, or the technology upon which Slashdot is built. (No Biz questions please ;) It's been a long time since we last did this, and we're hoping we can answer questions and get some feedback on some new ideas too. We'll see ya there.

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  1. Log-File? by hemabe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would like to see a log-file. Is this planned?

    1. Re:Log-File? by Aneurysm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps written up in the style of a slashdot interview

    2. Re:Log-File? by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 5, Funny

      We'll see a log file...

      Then the next day we'll see another log file...

      Then it will be cross-posted in YRO, and games.

      Then it will show up in Features.

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    3. Re:Log-File? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Funny
      It will be posted 47 times on /. over the next week.


      In fact, that would be a good question - ask them over and over "Why are there so many dupes?"

    4. Re:Log-File? by Eil · · Score: 2, Informative


      All SlashNET forums are logged. The log of this forum will be posted on SlashNET's website after the forum.

    5. Re:Log-File? by drdink · · Score: 4, Informative

      SlashNET's forum system automagically generates a logfile which we will make available.

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  2. oh dear by Library+Spoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    something tells me the trolls are rubbing their hands with glee.....

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  3. Stats and background by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hey, what I have always wondered about Slashdot is some of the stats and demographics of the Slashdot crowd. Not from a business perspective (although I am sure some would kill for that info), but from a purely academic perspective. Additionally, I've wondered if there is any social science thesis work behind the growth and evolution of the friends/foes dynamic of the Slashdot crowd.

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    1. Re:Stats and background by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is Slashdot - most people will just answer 'Jedi'.

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  4. Re:Will there be a cyber session after? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You must not use irc much.

  5. The question I'll ask if I'm around... by MathJMendl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..what ever happened to JonKatz?

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    1. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by Agent+Green · · Score: 5, Funny

      But the more important question is... ...who really gives a shit?

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    2. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe someone could write a long, pontificating article on the subject. "Searching for JonKatz in the Post-Columbine Neo-Hellmouth" or something.

      -Stephen

    3. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by babbage · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Based on what I heard on the radio last night, Jon Katz has gone to the dogs:

      Man's best friend? Author, dog owner and trainer Jon Katz says that the relationship between dogs and their owners has gone way beyond master and pet; that increasingly we're treating them as family members and human surrogates.

      Katz says that in America today we give our dogs human names, they sleep on our beds, we spoil them with gifts, and turn to them more and more for emotional support, helping us through loneliness, isolation, divorce and aging.

      In his latest book, "The New Work of Dogs," Katz looks at the relationships between 12 dogs and their owners in his hometown of Montclair, New Jersey, a town that he has dubbed "Dogsville, USA" to show just how much we're asking of our dogs today for attachment and emotional support.

      Guests
      Jon Katz, author of "A Dog Year: Twelve Months, Four Dogs, and Me" and "The New Work of Dogs: Tending to Life, Love and Family"

      Yes, I too would like to know if it's the same guy. I didn't hear the whole show, and don't know if that ever came up.

    4. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by Davak · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Isn't this the same? Is he working at Salon, now?

      Jon Katz's media criticism has appeared in Wired and the New York Times. He is the author of the mystery novels "Last Housewife" (Doubleday) "Death by Station Wagon" (Bantam) and "The Family Stalker" (Bantam). He can be reached at JDKatz@aol.com.

      Davak
    5. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by sukottoX · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have this question, that maybe one of you can answer....if not i may try to ask it tonight.

      where on slashdot can people post to each other on topics that are not necessarily current news items? Is there some sort of general discussion forum somewhere on slashdot that I've never found? the community is great, probably one of the best on the Internet, but if you want to ask it a question or discuss something that isn't front page news, you don't really have a place to do it here (without being offtopic/redundant etc). could a forum (ala phpBB) be put up and become an official part of Slashdot? i think this would help the community grow and allow discussion of a better variety of topics.

    6. Re:The question I'll ask if I'm around... by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I heard through the grapevine (actually, from a slashdot editor) that once he started writing up infrequent movie reviews instead of actual regular articles, he was basically told to go away quietly.

  6. Why not have an actual slashdot interview? by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And why no biz questions? Is this only to protect you from enbarasment, or what?

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  7. How to telnet to irc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have linux, so that has telnet included.

    You have to use ':' (colon), if Your text contains space(s).

    First things first:
    telnet irc-server 6667

    Then log in: (<host> and <server> is irrelevant):
    user <ident> <host> <server> :<irc name>

    Choose a nick:
    nick <nickname>

    Since You have to answer the server;s PING manually, you'd better know it:
    pong <irc server>

    Join to a channel:
    join <#channel>

    Ask for /NAMES:
    names <#channel>

    Send something to the channel or to a nick:
    privmsg <#channel/nick> :<message>

    Leave if You are getting bored:
    part <#channel>

    You can send NOTICE this way:
    notice <#channel/nick> :<notice message>

    Let's change the topic:
    topic <#channel> :<new topic>

    Good luck!

    1. Re: How to telnet to irc by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > Leave if You are getting bored:
      > part <#channel>

      If you're a crummy typist and accidentally type -

      fart <#channel>;
      does everyone else leave instead?

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    2. Re:How to telnet to irc by cpthowdy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Helps if you spell it right, tho...
      irc://irc.slashnet.org/forum

  8. Supply a log... by Speare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's valuable to hold a scheduled live event, but not everyone can attend. Could someone (official or not) please capture a log and post it for others to read (and flam... er, respond).

    My own question would be why no technical aids have been implemented to avoid reposting articles ("has this URL been posted in the past X time?"), offer basic grammatical assistance (highlight the article via pipe through aspell or better), or assist Editors in other obvious ways. If I used slash for my own projects, I'd offer help, but I don't use slash. Someone ask. :)

    And by "business questions," are you saying you won't talk about NYT &partner=SLASHDOT?

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  9. Bad timing, but.. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sure I'll end up sleeping through it (sleep schedual is a bit off currently), but I'd love to know why they never publicly announce when/what they change? Many users would love if there were a slash.slashdot.org or something to just post storys whenever slashdot.org syncs with the newest slashcode, whats changed, etc.

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    1. Re:Bad timing, but.. by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
      What would be the point in that???

      Slashcode/Slashdot Merge News

      Thu Jun 12 09:15 2003: Merged to get new design change to games section... Something got fucked up.

      Thu Jun 19 10:18 2003: Merged to get new friend/foe improvements... Something got fucked up.

      Thu Jun 26 05:27 2003: Merged to get new moderation system improvements... Something got fucked up.

      Thu Jul 5 8:02 2003: Merged to get new friend/foe improvements... Something got fucked up.

      Etc...

      Thu Nov 31 10:11 2004: Merged to solve all the problems we've had for the past 2 years... Expect things to be fucked up for the next few weeks.

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  10. Why do I get the feeling... by BiteMeFanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... that this will be a huge troll/slashdot hater fest? The few voices who actually want to talk will probably be drowned out. But good luck anyway.

  11. dear sir, by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 5, Funny

    you take slashdot way too seriously.

    sincerely,
    everyone else

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  12. curious why no biz questions by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    would q's like "when a slashcode site scales does it (HW, bandwidth, etc) become prohibitively expensive / would a lighterweight discussion framework scale more cheaply" be too close to a biz questions?


    I don't think anyone doubts slashcode's technical scaling merits; so for a high-traffic web site the main issues are scaling financially.

  13. Duplicate selection process? by donutz · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is your chance to ask about the moderation system, story selection, or the technology upon which Slashdot is built.

    I've noticed that not all stories on Slashdot are duplicates. How do you choose which stories to duplicate (and triplicate, and possibly in some circumstances quadricate)?

    Thanks!

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  14. Use an IRC client... by MythoBeast · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Download it. Here's a link:

    http://www.xchat.org/

    2. Install it
    3. Go here for further instructions:

    http://www.irchelp.org/

    4. Don't blame us.

    -MB

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  15. Re:Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'm vaguely aware of the acronym irc but how would one participate in this, specifically? I'm on a Linux box if that makes a difference.

    apt-get install BitchX Then run: "BitchX username server" OK, I'm a dummy.

    Oh, I missed this. You'll need to replace apt-get install with urpmi.

  16. It's a fake! by FurryFeet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Disregarg that. It's obvious Slashdot has been hacked, and the story is bogus.
    How do I know? Read it. Proper grammar, good ortography, even a well-place apostrophe after the word "users". There's no way in hell Taco wrote this.

  17. eh eh eh eh eh ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Okay here goes ...

    1.) Why do any negative slashdot comments automatically get nailed with a moderation of -1 redundant or overrated?

    2.) If you want a moderation system that is open to the public why the hell do you let editors have unlimited mod points?

    3.) Why can't we edit comments after posting (and have it posted in the subject (chg'd) or something like that)?

    4.) Is there a plan to have "staff meetings" or something of that nature to try and prevent dupes and maybe having some articles with more content.

    5.) Besides book reviews and the Late Jon Katz it seems the "read more" link is pretty much useless, is slashdot ever going to have some type of "meat" to their content?

    6.) Google has no legal recourse for caching, why don't you do it?

    7.) Ever thought about contacting link'd site administrators before killing their servers by a front page story and then getting charged for bandwidth?

    8.) Most websites go through a "layout" change every couple of years, the "slashdot style" has been pretty much worn out, especially with not being w3c compliant, any changes in the future?

    9.) Ever thought about publishing all stories in a public bin where the users decide what makes the front page? Like when an article gets 100 "post points" it is then sent to the front page where it's live and ready for commenting on?

    10.) Have any of you ever thought about maybe bringing on some "professional" journalism type people? Someone who knows how to write the news and doesn't abuse the editor function as a place to put comments (michael comes to mind).

    11.) You all ever think maybe this is getting a little old and it's time to get out?

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    1. Re:eh eh eh eh eh ... by gwernol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some very good questions here. One I would disagree with though is:

      8.) Most websites go through a "layout" change every couple of years, the "slashdot style" has been pretty much worn out, especially with not being w3c compliant, any changes in the future?

      While W3C compliance would definetely be a good thing, I don't think they should change the layout style just because its a few years old. I hate site that change layouts (CNN, BBC news...). Just as I'm comfortable with one organization of material it changes. For sites I visit often, stable layout is very important.

      As the old adage says, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. In general Slashdot's layout is clean and easy to read. By all means make incremental improvements but leave the basic, successful layout alone.

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  18. Re:Dumb ass question... by grungebox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dude, it totally says 8pm EASTERN in the article header, and like stuff :)

  19. Music section on /. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Since we are coming up on the TWO YEAR anniversary of the last time the Radio section was updated, how about we put a bullet in it, and have....
    ...
    A Music Section!
    ...
    As I have mentioned before - /.ers all have one thing in common. They all listen to music. I would like to see RIAA-free bands, reviews of new independent albums, geeky stuff for the aspiring musician, news of places to see, buy, and make RIAA-free music.

    With 250,000+ /.ers out there, I think we benefit the artists who have decided that the RIAA is NOT for them, and also make our voice heard.

    If it was made available to subscribers only, that might be enough to make me go for a subscription (of course, since I thought of this great idea - I should get a free pass, or edit the damn thing.)

    Rock Me, I'madumbass! I'madumbass! I'madumbass! ... I'madumbass!
    I'madumbass! I'madumbass! ... I'madumbass! OhOh, I'madumbass!

  20. This should be good by inc0gnito · · Score: 5, Funny

    If nothing else, I'm looking forward to the opportunity to see Taco spell on the fly. :)

  21. Daylight or standard? by HowlinMad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So is it 8pm EST? or 8pm EDT?

  22. IPV6 by daserver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry can't be there so I'll just ask here. When will slashdot be reachable from ipv6? ipv6.slashdot.org works but it points to a ipv4 adresse. Couldn't find any AAAA records with dig :(

  23. UK - 1am BST by amembleton · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those in the UK, it should be on at 1am tonight.

  24. annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cmd_taco and Hemos will be talking about their relationship............as lovers

  25. Editor Abuses and Trolling by Pave+Low · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Why is it that you guys are constantly tweaking and fiddling with the closed moderation system with the purpose of improving discussions, and yet you continue let the editors (namely michael) troll their way around it?

    Face it, some editors (michael) constantly put up wild, hysterical headlines with their own two cents in the story that concludes the world is coming the an end. Isn't that the definition of flamebait? You guys are essentially baiting users to read and respond, in a very Enquirer/NY Post way.

    Why is trolling from the editors less worse than trolling by the users?

    And it seems to have gotten worse lately. Just look at the Red Hat story today.

    In short, don't you think you guys should follow some set of standards or professionalism?

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  26. Re:0000 hrs UTC by morgajel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    as has been repeated many times, this is not a global site. it's an US site run by people in the US. Hemos and company are from michigan (originally), which is in EST. if they want to use it, their choice.

    While I agree that it would have been nice to have utc for those in other countries, I get sick of people bitching at the american websites for thinking in familiar terms. Ever notice how they list stuff in terms of USD? that's cause that's what they have in their piggy bank.

    Quit being so fricking politically correct- I hate people that pull that crap. /me apologizes for the flame

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  27. Why is Slashdot un-indexable by Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the links on Slashdot point to places on the site Google is forbidden from crawling by robots.txt. As a result, only the few items Google catches on the main pages, plus pages linked elsewhere, end up in Google. Try searching for some of your old stuff. I bet you don't find a lot of it. Google should also allow journals to be indexed.

  28. Feature requests okay? by kbielefe · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have to work tonight, and may not be able to join in. Can someone ask my question (more like a feature request) for me?

    Can we get the ability to have different settings depending upon whether we have mod points or not? For example, I normally read at +2, highest scores first, but when I have mod points I read at +1, newest first. It's annoying to have to change those all the time.

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  29. my tuppence by SolemnDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    oke. I like the /. format. I don't want them to get out an' i don't want to see them go slick journalism. I would like to see more substance on the read more page. I would also like to see changes in the rejected stories system. I like the basic colours and i think that there should be heavier penalties for trolls, overall penalties, not just filter points. I would like to see a mod UP point for statement coherency, as i've seen a lot of arguments that i furiously disagreed with, didn't think were all that insightful, but had to mod up for being well-put-together arguments. For those who think those don't exist on /., I've marked some of them as my friends.

    I agree that a lot of posts that are merely disagreement, sometimes with cogent argument behind them, get moderated as flamebait, etc., and this is not corrected nearly often enough in metamod.

    I have never dared submit anything conneted to stuff my geekfriends work with here in Boston, because i don't want to see them slashdotted. Fix that, get more off-beat interesting stuff.

    I won't be able to attend, so i redundantly request PUHLEEEEZE post the discussion the next day....?

  30. Re:0000 hrs UTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing Ive often wondered about regarding the development of HTML was : Why did nobody, not MS, not netscape... nobody ever implement a time tag extension. ie some thing like this

    <time timezone="UTC+8">
    13:00
    </time>

    Then the broswer could just translate it into the readers timezone automagically.

  31. Re:0000 hrs UTC by BJH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And as has been stated many times before, you only think it's not a global site because you live in the US.
    A poll a while ago showed that around half of /. readers are actually living outside the US. Showing UTC is not being "politically correct" - it's being helpful to all those people who don't know and don't care what EST is.

  32. Serious Question, Not a Troll by Goody · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm one of the folks that got $rtbl'ed for modding up the forbidden post awhile back. As a result I have never gotten moderation rights and metamoderation went away. About two months ago or so, metamoderation came back, but I still have never gotten moderation rights, so I assume I'm still $rtbl'ed.

    Was some code changed that $rtbl'ed users can now metamoderate, or is this a bug ? How are $rtbl'ed users worthy of metamoderation rights but not moderation ?

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    1. Re:Serious Question, Not a Troll by hal200 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was a post that came up a while back...I guess about six months ago now, give or take. The poster had apparently done a study on moderator behaviour (or maybe just made the whole thing up, I don't know) which exposed some interesting...uhm...features/weaknesses of the moderation system.

      Anyway, while the comment was interesting to read, it WAS completely offtopic to the story it was posted to. This caused a pretty massive breakdown of the moderation system. Many moderators modded the thread up as insightful/informative/etc, while other moderators modded it back down as Offtopic.

      Then the admins stepped in and screwed things up royally. First, they started using their unlimited modpoints to knock it down. Then, when it got too big to moderate by hand, they repeatedly "bitchslapped" the thread, which instantly caused all the comments to drop to -1, and blacklisted any moderators who tried to raise it back up.

      It was a bad time for /.'s moderation system. Anyway, that's what I remember...I'm sure there are others who can fill in more details...Maybe link to a copy of the forbidden post...

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  33. On a more serious note, can someone please ask... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to be able to make it to this tonight (whenever "tonight" is for the editors, it's going to be really late in the night here), so could someone please bring up the following:

    1. Congratulate the editors on finally cutting down on the number of dupes posted - it's been ages since I've seen one.

    How has this been acheived: via technology or a more human factor?

    2. Ask the editors when they plan to:

    i) start checking story submissions for basic spelling and grammar errors;
    ii) start checking that the actual stories aren't well-known hoaxes;
    iii) start editing the story titles so that they are more easily found via searches (eg, a chess story should have some chess reference in the story title, rather than being called "Man Last Stand vs Machine" or whatever); and
    iv) start offering bittorrents straight off the bat when it's relevant (eg, a story on a new movie trailer being made available for download, latest patch for a popular game, new distro launch).

    3. Ask the editors to update polls more frequently.

    Now that ChrisD's left, polls seem to linger well past their sell-by-dates. Chris said once that he posted new polls after x number of days or y number of votes, whichever came first. If I remember correctly, x was about 3-4 and y was roughly 25,000-30,000, so the recent poll about "Favorite fictitious drink" went on for far too long (7 days, nearly 60,000 votes). I'm sure some sort of automation could be used here.

    That's it really.

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  34. 2 questions by smeeze · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll ask two questions.

    1) what's with the dupes?
    and
    2) what's with the dupes?

  35. Re:0000 hrs UTC by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Quit being so fricking politically correct

    Most people know which time zone they're in (as in GMT+/-x, personally I'm in +8), but if you're not an American, have no idea when "8pm Eastern" is.

    And I know that you don't care; so we can just leave it at that.

  36. Another great timekeeping feature by zapp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not quite sure where this would fit in (server, HTTP protocol, browser, ???) or if it already exists and just isn't widely used...

    But I am *really* tired of going to webpages (particularly linux HOWTO pages .. *cough*v4l*cough*) that have NO mention of date on them. I have read through howtos that refer to a 2.0 kernel patch... and I don't know if just the patch is irrelevant, or the whole piece of software (again, *cough*v4l*cough*).

    Wouldn't it be nice if webservers would timestamp a page and say when it was last modified, and the browser would show that date?

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  37. Slashcode bug question for Taco by Hobart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a bug that affects me when I'm logged in, where the full number of comments that should display does not display, and the totals of how many comments are at each score level are wrong.

    So, since I normally read only score-5 comments, it can say "12 of 500 comments", I click thru to the 12, and only 5 get listed.

    So I have to erase my cookie, go to the story without being logged in, and I'll see that in fact there were 17 or 20 score-5'ed, and then it will list them all. (And I'm not lowering any scores in my preferences.)

    This makes reading /. a complicated process, as I have to log in to see all the stories I want, pop them in new windows, then log out to grab the full set of comments.

    I reported this into the bugtracking system quite some time ago, and CmdrTaco closed the ticket saying it was a known issue, part of a larger problem that was being worked on.

    What's up with it?

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  38. Oh boy, logs! by drwiii · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you were unable to attend or simply wish to review or archive the discussion, we have a text log and an HTML log available. By the end of the forum, over 600 observers were present. Thanks again to Rob and Jeff, everyone who submitted forum questions, and everyone in attendance!