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Extra Scenes in TTT Extended Edition DVD
gdr writes "USA Today have an article about the extra scenes that will be in The Two Towers Extended Edition. More ent scenes so it'll be worth watching for the special effects alone. Sadly it looks like there will be no extra gollum scenes. I can't say I'm as excited about this one as the FotR EE."
So first I buy the dvd of the fellowship, then I buy the extended version
And THEN when all 3 are released, I buy the trilogy... and then the special extended version of that!
Man these guys got it good. Maybe I should smarten up and just wait.
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I doubt there'll be any good excuse for the monstrous character assassination they committed on Faramir, though.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
What planet are you from? The extended edition of the FOTR was like a new film. I was amazed at how much could be done with an extra 30 minutes, and now we're getting 45. I guess if you've never read the books (that is, you don't know the story), then New Line is the one telling the story and whatever they don't include the first time seems optional. But if Tolkien told you the story, then the extras are, at the very least, an attempted payback for Jackson's needless meddling with the story. And they make a huge contribution.
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Some would argue that the pace of the movie was too quick to begin with. The book took its time, and this is the movie that detracts the most from the trilogy.
The last ent scence was presented to the reader as a recollection after the fact, as well...
I don't hear any mention of them fixing the atrocious plot changes, so I'm really hopeless.
The Ents are tricked into attacking?
Faramir is a prick?
What happened here!?!
One of the advantages of living in a house with 4 other guys, either someone will buy it, or their girlfriend/mom/dad/brother/grandmother/aunt/etc/et c certainly will, either way i still get to see it :) ...
in any event, there's always the option of buying it used, while it could be argued that buying used DVDs supports the MPAA via creating a secondary market demand for their products, i personally think that it's a happy medium between being devoid of art in life and supporting one of the world's most evil empires. Also it should be noted that someone who buys a DVD for $25 and sells it to a disc-whorehouse for $5 probably isn't considerably driven by the market demand for his/her used product...
And (as a sort of sales pitch), EVERYONE who sells a movie or CD isn't necessarily affiliated with the MPAA or RIAA, as an example i am certainly purchasing (brand new) the 'Ohgr' CD (Nivek Ogre and Mark Walk) being released by spitfire records on July 1, and they are not affiliated with the RIAA (according to something i read a while back)... So don't let your boycotts hurt the innocents (like all of those idiots who said they'd boycott Heineken beer because it is German, after the fallout of an Iraq war resolution...)
Sorry, i'm mumbling again...
-tid242
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Amen!
Did I like the two movies so far? Yes. Were they Earth shattering? No. I would much rather spend my money on nice copies of the books than on these DVD's. (In fact, I have)
And while I am inviting the flame-bait moderations:
Is anyone else as sick to death as I am about hearing how amazing Gollum was, how he should have won an academy award, been knighted by the Queen, been elected supreme ruler of Earth, etc.?
Was the performance good? Sure. Was it spectacular. Dear god no. Frankly I have no idea what movie these zealots were watching. Seeing some silly CGI hop around the screen and speaking with a lisp that made me want to gag is not my idea of a great performance.
-sirket
i hear you on that.
it seems to me that there may be a good chunk of people that separate the MPAA and RIAA into two different ideological entities. while it is true that both are pursuing lawsuits and a boycott of one inevitably calls for the boycott of the other, the subject matter they deal with is inherently different. the RIAA either puts out a good song bundled with crap music or force feeds us a lack of viable options, and the only way to change that is by not buying any their prdoucts forcing them to change business strategy. the MPAA on the other hand provides many options, pays their artists well, and creates a more diverse set of art than the RIAA does.
all i'm saying is that maybe the ill feelings towards the MPAA aren't as bad as you implied. just MHO.
The big revelation is that Aragorn is old?? Well DUH. He is decended from the Numenoreans and has elvish blood. Elrond is like his super great uncle. I wish these movies had never been made. All of a sudden Im being forced into "Tolkien Conversations" with people who have never read the book. Back in the day when I talked LOTR the other person at least new the _real_ non-holywoodized version.
Ok ok. I KNOW Im ranting in a crazy fashion. I appologize. It is just that I am a Tolkien fanatic. Imagine (linux geeks) if all of a sudden everyone was using lindows and talking about how great linux was and if you tried to tell them about debian, suse or whatever distro you liek they were like "hunh? thats not linux."
Im goign to go drink something very strong and try to regain my composure. Thank you for reading this rant.
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One thing I would like to see, and something that dissapointed me at the cinema is that battle of helmsdeep. They way I remeber it basically gandalf turns up with a load of people, next scene they have one. Surely 30 second worth of Gandalf kicking arse wouldn't be to much to ask..
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I know I'm unpopular in this view, but I think the Arwen sections are totally necessary to the LoTR films.
In the books, Arwen's marriage to Aragorn in the end comes out of nowhere. In some ways it is powerful because of this, but it really would not work in a movie, where people have been watching this story for two years. The payoff of a marriage at the end (And Jackson has confirmed, I believe, that RoTK ends with the marriage, and not with the return to the Shire) needs to actually be a payoff. That can only happen if Aragorn marries someone he's been developed as having some tie to. Arwen cannot come out of nowhere, nor can she be absent from Two Towers, or else it's been two years since we've seen her, and she is no longer adequately developed.
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Okay fanboy, if you look at the Book of the Years (Appendix Whatever) you'll see that at the time of LOTR, Aragorn is just a little older than Denethor, and in fact visits and fights for Gondor (under an assumed name) when he and Denethor are both young (and Denethor is still a prince).
This worries a young Denethor that this Gandalf-loving outsider is after the throne, thus setting up Denethor's distrust for Gandalf (and Faramir) in ROTK.
Aragorn lives a while after LOTR into the hundreds. But in LOTR he is indeed in his eighties-- movie got it right.
So there.
It took 10 minutes for a sentence to be spoken, I think it completely ruined the pace of the movie.
You read the book, didn't you? So you should have been prepared for the ents to speak slowly, and understand why they do.
Frankly, it's probably a good lesson for people: It's not worth doing if it doesn't take a long time to do it. Take that, instant gratification!
As a testament to the longer version being a lot better, my wife (who has not read the books yet, but she is working on them now) actually understood the movie when we watched the extended version. The same could not be said for the origional theatrical release. After watching the extended edition the first time, I was shocked at some of the things that had been cut out--they were rather important plot points! (I'd give an example, but it's been so long since I saw the short version I don't remember what the specific scenes that are different are) I just hope TTT gains as much improvement as FoTR did.
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
What you are suggesting here is not ridiculous. In fact, I believe that > 1 person suggested the same thing to Peter Jackson. However, I also believe that PJ told them to go away and let him make his movies.
What PJ has done with these movies is taken the books and distilled them into their essential stories. He has done this in order to "fit" into the public's perception of what a movie can be. He's pushed it to three hours, but that's as far as he's willing to go: LoTR has to be financially viable, or New Line would never have ponied up the dough. The only way he could have done a page-by-page remake of the book is as a mini-series, which would not have had the same financial upside, therefore New Line does not pony up the dough, the effects get cheaper, the cast is suddenly Canadian, etc.
These are the conditions under which he is working, but the ultimate goal is to tell the story of the Lord of the Rings.
The change which is suggested is not designed to meet this goal under the constraints involved. It is an attempt to change the story. "But," you say, "all I'm suggesting is a minor change of stepping off instead of falling." The key here is INTENT. Since you want Gollum to INTENTIONALLY COMMIT SUICIDE, you need to build up to it. The audience has to believe that Gollum would do such a thing. You need to lay the groundwork with lots of indications that Gollum might consider suicide, that he has a noble spirit which would seek the Roman way out. In other words, take a lot of time to warp the Gollum character away from Tolkien's writings.
If this is not done, you are faced with deus ex machina: the character suddenly does something completely out of character to resolve the conflict in the story. This is the biggest mistake an author can make, unless they are Greek and are writing in 200 B.C. So in order to make this small change, PJ would have to devote significant parts of his cinematic 3 hours to build up to Gollum as the tragic hero instead of Gollum as the tragic villain.
That's what I think. I still don't think that this is a bad idea, and perhaps the original Gollum character might have been better with this suggestion. However, posting it to Slashdot isn't the same as jumping in your time machine to 1940's Britain, shouldering C.S. Lewis out of the way and saying "Ronald! I've got this great idea for your book!" :-)
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I think he was referring to the flames coming out of the ground. (Took me a second viewing to figure that out.)
"Don't follow the lights. Careful now, or Hobbits go down to join the dead ones and light little candles of their own."