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Chinese Manned Space Flight Set For Autumn

brandido writes "According to an article at Space.com, "Chinese space officials remain on schedule for the first piloted flight of that nation's Shenzhou spacecraft. Chief designers and mission directors say Shenzhou 5 will be launched in autumn, reported the People's Daily last week." Between this, the X-Prize, and multiple launches of Mars probes in the last few weeks, it looks like the space race may be heating back up?"

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  1. let's get ready to rumble! by sweeney37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's like my dad always said, "a little competition never hurt anyone."

    look at the last time the US had a space race, we achieved what many call the greatest achievement of mankind, we landed on the moon.

    Mike

    1. Re:let's get ready to rumble! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree about a little competition never hurting, but I think the greatest achievement of mankind could be any one of these:
      1. Not blowing up the whole world yet
      2. Moveable type and its' consequences (books, replication of knowledge, etc)
      3. Penicillin
      Once manned heavier-than-air flight was demonstrated, going to the moon was pretty inevitable, but would have been impossible to achieve w/o either of the first 2 items :-)
    2. Re:let's get ready to rumble! by el-spectre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a slight difference between a 100 foot flight in a light aircraft, and launching a 7 million pound rocket, I think.

      I am still amazed that we went from 'can't fly' to 'can land on other astronomical bodies' in less than a lifetime.

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    3. Re:let's get ready to rumble! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I certainly don't want to diminish the importance of heavier-than-air flight, but I just have to be a twit and point out that people have been flying in balloons since the late 1700s.

      What really amazes me is how soon after the historic flights of Alcock and Brown, and of Charles Lindbergh, it became comparatively safe and routine to fly across the Atlantic.

      (I know my comma placement sucks, but I'm too tired to fix it.)

  2. I hope they are serious about space by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and I really hope everything goes perfect for them.

    Because it seems that China will be the only hope for real advances in space. The US program will never gear up to what it is supposed to be at.

    All I know is the thing that may do it, is china placing a moon base just might get the attention of the tubs of idiocy that sit in the congress and house of represenatives....

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    1. Re:I hope they are serious about space by WC+as+Kato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US is hindered by a major factor; MONEY. I'm certain that technology is not a problem. NASA and its U.S. contractors are going to be paid a lot more than their China counterparts. With the US budget deficit in the trillions, the government has to be convinced that a space race is worth funding.

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  3. if there is not a race to mars by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    then I don't know what else could get NASA moving again.

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  4. Santa! This is what i want! by eugene_t00ms · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully the Chinese pushing forward with developing their own space program might give NASA, ESA, and Multi-national Corporations the kick in the ass they need.

    can't wait to be able to say "We live in a world where a Chinaman has walked on the Moon." can you? :-|

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  5. shameful by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Slashdot community should be ashamed. This story has only been up a short while, and already I'm seeing references to rockets made of bamboo, astronauts eating freeze-dried dog meat, and even the despicable phrase, "runar rander." This sort of bigotry and racism is unbefitting of one of the most respectworthy technical communities on the web today.

    You are probably all just jealous because you lost your jobs to better trained immigrants, or because you always strike out with the cute Chinese ladies. Sad.

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  6. Re:Race may not be a good thing by msheppard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only reason you are alive is becuase your ancestors were competitive and won.

    I am referring to the single celled organisms that COMPETED with the other single celled organisms and won. Then they formed multi-celled organisms and kicked the other multi-celled organisms butts (well, what was going to become a butt eventually)

    So you say: "I'd love to live in a world where competition wasn't the driving reason to succeed," and to be blunt, there is no life if we don't compete. At least not as we know it.

    M@

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  7. Political Space Racing by targo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sometimes I wish the Soviets would have gotten to the Moon first because then Americans wouldn't have had any other choice but to put a man on Mars to save face.
    Either that or a nuclear strike against the USSR (I'm not kidding, there were people who seriously suggested that to the US administration if the Soviet Moon program got too far) because otherwise the political situation would have been intolerable. It's all political, science is a third-rate consideration, and noble goals like actual expansion to the space are not even mentioned. But still, I wish them luck, any step forward for whatever reasons is better than our current self-admiring stagnation (like how long can we hype the moon landing?? It is still the main exhibit in all space-related museums after 35 years!)

  8. Re:Race may not be a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironically YOU wouldn't exist if all the cells in your body didn't cooperate with each other. The real evolutionary steps came when there was cooperation: single cells forming multicellular organisms, animals forming groups, people forming tribes, etc. Competition only holds the status quo; it keeps things in a kind of entropy until the next big step forward.

    Alone I can build a house. We together can build a city.

    Furthermore, do you know what we call something that is so over compeditive that it cannot do anything BUT compete with everything?

    Cancer.

  9. Re:including ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason why Americans suck at space is cause you are too busy being a racist worldwide, you just don't have time for science.

    </quote>

    Nice generalization. A few points:

    1. I'm not American
    2. Poking fun at our foibles makes us more human, not less. There's a big difference between humor and racism. One's intended for a chuckle, the other for hurting someone.
    3. Most important: Your generalization of Americans as racists is itself a racist generalization.
  10. Re:Race may not be a good thing by mikerich · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If I remember correctly, the Soviet Union is strongly suspected to have covered up deaths of astronauts.

    Sorry, that was a myth put out by the Americans to make the Soviets look slipshod and backwards. All of the supposed cosmonauts who were killed before the flight of Yuri Gagarin have been found to be fictional and all of the flights since then have been accounted for.

    The Soviets have lost 4 men in space and no more. They were Vladimir Komarov on Soyuz 1 on April 24, 1967. Soyuz 1 flew well before the ship was ready, it was known to be faulty, but Brezhnev insisted that it was launched to keep up the pace against the Americans. Soyuz 1 suffered a series of faults ending in her parachutes becoming entangled, she crashed to Earth killing Komorov instantly.

    The second group of fatalities were Georgi Dobrovolsky, Vladislav Volkov, and Viktor Patsayev on-board Soyuz 11. They were the second crew of Salyut 1, the World's first space station (Skylab was second). After 23 days in orbit, Soyuz 11 returned to Earth, but a pyrotechnic malfunctioned during separation of the orbital and re-entry modules; an air valve was stuck open and the module gradually depressurised. The ship landed automatically, but the crew were found to be dead when the capsule was opened.

    And that's it.

    Best wishes,
    Mike.

  11. Aircraft vs. spacecraft. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once manned heavier-than-air flight was demonstrated, going to the moon was pretty inevitable

    Um, no.

    Flight through the atmosphere with heavy craft and launching something into space are almost completely unrelated problems.

    For the first, you need to figure out how airfoils work to produce lift (helicopter blades count in this category), and figure out how to move the air that surrounds your craft to produce thrust. Then there's materials engineering to get the performance to weight ratio nice enough.

    For the second, you have to figure out celestial mechanics, and you have to figure out how to build reaction drives that _don't_ use the surrounding medium to move (as you won't have air around you for much of your trip, and it's more of a hindrance than a help at significant speed). Then you have the herculean task of materials engineering and clever craft design required to get an impulse-to-weight ratio large enough to escape the gravity well (or at least have enough delta-v for orbit). If the gravity well was even a little deeper, we wouldn't have been able to do it with chemical rockets at all (though aircraft would still be easy to build).

    There's a world of difference between a jet engine and a rocket engine. There's a world of difference between something light and strong enough to glide and something light and strong enough to have a 40:1 wet:dry weight and make orbit. It's not a difference of scale - it's a difference of fundamental type of device.

    In summary, please do more research about exactly what's involved in each task before proclaiming that one follows from the other. What actually precipitated _both_ was the industrial revolution, which gave a drastic increase in technology and in materials science.

  12. Re:Moon by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Insightful
    There is a reason the setups appear so similar.

    Indeed. However, the universiality of the laws of physics makes a much more convincing explanation than all the other stuff you went on about.

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  13. Re:Space Race Heating Up? by Ryu2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    FYI, most sectors of China's economy are now largely capitalist and market-driven, in the wake of economic reforms that Deng Xiaoping instituted in the late 1970s.

    Perhaps you meant to say "Multiparty Democracy" vs. "Communist" government.

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