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An anonymous submitter writes "James Plamondon, a former Microsoft employee is writing a book on Technological Evangelism at Microsoft. He's posted the first chapter, "Evangelism is War." Robert Scoble, a current Microsoft Evangelist doesn't like the metaphor, but Micah Alpern is concerned Microsoft could use similar strategies against Macromedia Flash."

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  1. Evangelism is war by CptChipJew · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if tonight, the evangelism war could be over? Isn't that work coding for? Isn't...that...worth...debugging for?

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  2. mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by SkewlD00d · · Score: 2, Insightful

    use whatever suits u the best. ;)

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    1. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dear SkewlD00d,

      It seems as though you have missed basic /. brainwashing. Report to CowboyNeal for immidiate reprogramming. Soon you will see the light. Linux is the future, Apple is cool, Microsoft is evil and is never a better option.

      The /. Patrol

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    2. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, windows outshines Linux in that it supports more commercial hardware and that most companies only make drivers for windows. It also has a greater variance of programs for users to choose from and a huge user base, as well as near universal acceptance. I'm not pro-MS by any stretch of the imaginiation, but I also know that there are situations in which Windows truly shines.

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    3. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by SkewlD00d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The main prob i have w/ windoze is that M$FT holds all the cards, and the "std" is not a standard at all, and they change APIs all the time. *cough* .doc word "format" *cough* DDE/DDX, OLE, OLE2, ActiveX, ATL, COM, COM+, DCOM, etc etc etc (i think i missed some).

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    4. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like i said, when Linux is set up by someone who knows what they're doing it will outshine. What you've said is indicative of wanting the product to suit you, when you should be adapting to your tool. Learn to code, it's really quite simple. Write the drivers you need, and don't expect others to do it for you or expect a piece of software or hardware to just miraculously adapt to your needs. Using a computer isn't like just turning on a television. Really sometimes I wonder, and think people should be licensed to own a computer before complaining

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    5. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by blink3478 · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Like i said, when Linux is set up by someone who knows what they're doing it will outshine. What you've said is indicative of wanting the product to suit you, when you should be adapting to your tool. Learn to code, it's really quite simple. Write the drivers you need, and don't expect others to do it for you or expect a piece of software or hardware to just miraculously adapt to your needs. Using a computer isn't like just turning on a television. Really sometimes I wonder, and think people should be licensed to own a computer before complaining.


      Like I said, when your television is set up by someone who knows what they're doing it will outshine. What you've said is indicative of wanting your television to turn on when you hit the power button, and somehow display shows that you enjoy, when you should be adapting to your tool. Learn a little electrical engineering, it's really quite simple. Build a VCR out of parts, don't just expect to buy one and have it miraculously work. Using a television isn't like using a hammer. Really, sometimes I think people should be licensed to view a television before complaining.

      Yeah, mod me down. I've got a useless comment quota to meet. :)

    6. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by bursch-X · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I doubt you could find a true system where MS Windows or Mac OS truly outshine Linux when set up by someone who knows what they're doing.


      Well I'm afraid for printing and DTP (CMYK, colour corrections etc.) Windows is barely in the game and Linux isn't even in the league.

      There still are things that one OS does far better than others, partly due to well done integration of many available tools. And in my example the main focus of graphic/layout/DTP Software vendors is still on the Mac, so that's why the Mac is where it's at in that business.

      Now if any company would come and implement CMYK support, colour correction, bleed adjustment, screen angle settings, under colour reduction etc. in the GIMP and also integrate that with a colour matching system that works throughout the whole OS, I'm sure it then could be just as good as Photoshop on the Mac. The problem is no one has done that yet, so it isn't. (Even on Windows Photoshop is featurewise the same, but getting proper colour out still doesn't work that smoothly, don't ask me why. Been there, done that. Got the t-shirt).

      Of course this also counts vice versa for Linux, so I am sure there are things Linux excels at where OS X and Windows really look pale, partly due to the Linux architecture itself and partly thanks to the people/companies that put their efforts into Linux for a certain field of application (Beowulf comes to mind).

      I just don't believe that every OS can do every task just as well, if setup by the proper person. Simply due to the fact that each OS or even the users of the OS have some leve of focus on certain applications, and therefore most software available for that platform is focused the same way.

      I.e. even if you made lots of graphic and DTP software for Linux right now, most design people just wouldn't feel at home, so it wouldn't sell, hence there isn't much graphics DTP stuff there.

      Now looking at 3D (or very high end motion graphics), where the users are much more technically knowledgeable, and suddenly you find quite a few very important apps on Linux (Maya, Shake, Houdini). Software still needs to be paid for, so the paying users define to a large part what software is written for the platform.
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    7. Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc. by log2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, different OS's are designed to do different things. Take QNX, you wouldnt run their OS as a pc simply because there isnt that much software written for it. However, its a really useful OS in the field that its specifically designed for.

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  3. Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow where to begin?

    Well, for a start, they're not SCO...

  4. scary quote in context by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Consider, then, the 'Technical Architect,' and his grand scheme. Yikes. Probably closer to the mark than one would like.

  5. As much as I hate to say it... by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 4, Funny
    I don't think Flash is going anywhere.


    Hate...MS....hate...Flash....must tolerate Flash.....must....*smoke drifts from ears*

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    1. Re:As much as I hate to say it... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      macromedia needs to work on security of flash

      That's a laugh. Macromedia's in bed with Doubleclick if you didn't know. Since nobody is paying for their Flash plugin, it's apparently in Macromedia's best interest to keep their (figurative) partners in crime happy. Macromedia can bite my shiny metal ass. I mourn Allaire.

  6. If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone be by HiThere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone be surprised?

    MS has destroyed company after company that tried to work with them or cooperate with them. Adding MacroMedia to the list would be no surprise. In fact, if you can name a company that depends on MS to any significant extent, then I would add them to my list of "endangered companies". It takes them longer to get around to some than to others is all.

    MS only thinks of technical evangelism as war if you idea of war is scorched earth that nobody can live on.

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  7. Guy Kawasaki by birdman666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There have been Macintosh evangelists for years, so don't worry, Microsoft isn't innovating.

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  8. M$ = Robin Hood by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 2, Funny

    So...Microsoft is about to champion for the little guy in the war on spam. Check out this link at CNN.com.

  9. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by KrispyKringle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Oh, please. This is just unthinking anti-MS drivel.

    Consider for a moment that Wired article on the downfall of SUN Microsystems. One recurring theme in the personality of McNealy, SUN's CEO, is his inability to cooperate with the competition and instead his insistence on turning competitors into enemies and market competition into war.

    If MS does this (and they may indeed), this is merely business as usual among many of these corporations. Corporate America is not a day-care facility; companies can and do play hardball. The question is not "does MS want to help or hurt the competition" but rather "did MS engage in illegal anti-competitive practices which are bad for the consumer and bad for the market." I don't see you answering that question.

    Wal-Mart destroyed the competition. And, yes, some say Wal-Mart is evil. But all they did is healthy, normal competition, no?

  10. MS is Hardcore by Agent+Deepshit · · Score: 3, Funny
    "As a direct result, Microsoft built its annual profits from an impressive XXX to an astounding XXX"

    When did MS get into hard core porn?

  11. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by someguy42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, Macromedia is a big enough (and incredibly well established) company that their destruction by Microsoft actually would be a big surprise. Macromedia already produces most of their products for Macintosh, as well as some of their product (barely functional ColdFusion server) for Linux. Microsoft would have to fight pretty hard to take Macromedia down.

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  12. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone be surprised?"

    It's funny hearing this from the same place that thinks BSOD jokes are always +5, Funny. The Slashdot Community is nauseatingly evangelistic about Linux to the point of modding down people who don't join in with their pitchforks.

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  13. Re:The coolest thing on that site by chrisleonard · · Score: 4, Funny
    > The coolest thing on that site ... is the Windows Media file of the seattle earthquake.

    But did you notice how none of the computers rebooted? That ought to silence people who say Windows isn't fault-tolerant!

    Rimshot!
    :op
  14. Fight Club by MyHair · · Score: 4, Funny

    What OS defines me as a person?

    1. Re:Fight Club by Dan-DAFC · · Score: 5, Informative
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    2. Re:Fight Club by wiresquire · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, shit.

      I'm Unixware.

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  15. Mozilla Firebird Plug by MyHair · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mozilla Firebird (Phoenix) has a "Flash click to play" extension. I used to not install the Flash plugin in a Mozilla browser and just switch to IE when I actually wanted flash, but now I get a blank box that says "flash click to play...". Sweet.

    Does CrazyBrowser or Opera do something similar?

    1. Re:Mozilla Firebird Plug by SkewlD00d · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think there's a java-based flash plugin from macromed... it should be more controllable if you added some ACL / fine-grained SecurityManager to the applet/jvm. like disable taking over the whole fricking screen, or ask before writing stupid flash ads over the page.

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  16. Evangelism by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Informative
    The words "evangelism" and "evangelist" are all wrong. They have an obvious religious overtone that conveys the wrong message. The job should have neither military (as in this case) or religious tones of any type. They're software products, for fsck's sake.

    I remember during the Team OS/2 vs. ClubWin wars on USENET there was a drive within Microsoft to rename the position to "Technical Advocate". It failed because some product managers (not project managers) argued that "advocate" wasn't an agressive enough term. Sigh.

    By and large though, Microsoft evangelists tend to be nice people (like Scoble, who used to organize the Fawcette industry conferences for a long time). Much different from sales drones and even most enterprise support reps.

    1. Re:Evangelism by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Funny
      Do you use vi or emacs?

      Long live pico!!!

    2. Re:Evangelism by cookiej · · Score: 4, Funny

      By and large though, Microsoft evangelists tend to be nice people (like Scoble, who used to organize the Fawcette industry conferences for a long time). Much different from sales drones and even most enterprise support reps.

      My guess is that the "evangelist" title is reserved for those who are intellectually valuable but aren't malevolent enough to make the real marketing team.

  17. Flash is dead by interiot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or so this evangelist hopes... In favor of SVG, an open XML W3C spec that doesn't require expensive tools to create. Mozilla sorta supports it now and should have much better support in the future. Even though SVG isn't terribly popular yet, I already see far far more database-driven content than I do with flash since XML is pretty easy to manipulate and generate.

    1. Re:Flash is dead by kmilani2134 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think Flash will be around for quite a while as it will be very difficult to get the graphic designers away from their beloved macs and the software they have been using. They tend to be very loyal. How many professional graphic designers use gimp? I would imagine the majority of them continue to use Photoshop. Another thing that is missing with SVG is that the applications for constructing cool SVG animations are still very new and are a long way from having the user interface and maturity of Flash.

      I have been keeping an eye on SVG as I really do hope it gains traction and becomes an open standard.

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    2. Re:Flash is dead by sehryan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Flash is an open format...there are many non-Macromedia apps that can create Flash files. In fact, Adobe even had a full featured compeditor to the Flash application before it decided to throw its weight behind SVG. Flash supports database-driven content fairly easily, and has for a long time. Flash can parse XML files fairly easily. XML is pretty easy to manipulate and generate, but creating the type of animations you see with Flash in SVG is a pain. And contrary to popular belief, there are more reasons to use Flash than to make toons or annoying ads. Example: I imported a two minute, 126MB avi that I created for a project into Flash. I added some custom controls for the video, as well as some "Pop-Up Video" points to highlight certain moments in the video. The Flash file came out to be no more than 7MB large. That's still big for dial-up users, but the video would have been impossible to present to them in the original avi format.

      I am not saying SVG doesn't have it's points. But don't knock Flash. I hate to burst your bubble, but Flash is far from dead.

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    3. Re:Flash is dead by jabberjaw777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SVG has one huge glaring problem :

      No authoring environment.

      Without a well designed, functional UI, how can SVG hope to compete against things like Flash? It's all well and good for the programming types to go : "Wow! SVG is great! I can write a few dozen lines of code and make a circle go from point a to point b!" but the bald fact of the matter is that programming types are not responsible, and will not be responsible, for doing the graphic design and animation. And for good reason : they usually suck at it (people like Maeda and the like aside). Designers are used to, and require, professional class UI and organizational tools (things like timelines, text tools, visual hierarchies, etc.) to do what they do in an efficient manner. Having a good GUI would help things, but Flash already does tons of things that SVG MIGHT do in a year or more.

      And Flash is perfectly capable of handling XML and database-driven content, thank you. The fact of the matter is that as of today, SVG is an esoteric curiosity, nothing more... which may well change, as Adobe and Microsoft both are getting mighty anxious about Flash and it's capabilities.

      Now, I'm all for Open Source, but come on -- I'm not going to get on the "If it's proprietary, it's EVIL" bandwagon. Macromedia has spent tons to develop Flash to the point where it is now, and has done so in a fundamentally benign manner, especially when compared to things like the GIF fiasco and the other various predatory business practices out there. They have a right to make money off their product, the Flash application itself.

  18. Pawns? by druske · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What a lovely attitude Microsoft has towards its customers:
    ...The field of battle is the computer industry and its neighbouring vertical markets. Every person, company, product, etc., on this battlefield that is not a competing platform vendor, is a pawn in the struggle between such vendors.

    We win the battle when a critical mass of pawns chose to support our platform, such that the rest will too. We cannot compel this choice at the barrel of a gun. Our weapons are psychological, social, and economic â" not military. Each pawn that choses to support a Microsoft platform, does so as a rational decision to serve its own ends, whatever those may be.

    To win, we must understand every relevant fact about the pawns â" their fears and desires; their likes and dislikes; their beliefs and doubts; their motivations and obstacles. We can only win the allegiance of the pawns by understanding what they need, and supplying it; what they fear, and alleviating it; what they believe, and reinforcing it; where they want to go tomorrow, and taking them there...
    Not that such an attitude comes as a shock to anyone on Slashdot, of all places... and not that other corporations care much more than Microsoft... but even so, I'll bet Microsoft is less than thrilled with this little bit of PR. I like how he weaves in the "Where do you want to go today?" slogan.

    I wonder if Microsoft understands how motivating it is when people to learn it regards them as pawns? In the last couple years Microsoft has succeeded in motivating me to develop software for the Palm OS, and now for OS X...
  19. Re:Macromedia in trouble? by molarmass192 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed, same with Norton's and McAffee now that MS wants their share of the pie. Since, they own the browser, they can simply bundle Flash out of existence. It won't happen overnight (see Real for example) but it will happen. The only life line available for these companies is to focus and push Linux adoption. If and when Linux gets 25% of the desktop market, the monopoly will break. The sad truth is that most companies in this situation do not adopt an offensive stance but rather adopt a defensive posture aimed at maintaining their piece of the pie. That defensive posture served Corel and Borland well in any case. When you strike a deal with the devil you should know that payback will eventually come around.

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  20. I was an Evangelist too by Twid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I worked as an evangelist for Novell, and, while I think Mr. Plamondon makes some good points, I agree with Micah Alpern that war analogies aren't necessarily the right ones. Also, I would think Mr. Plamondon would be more marketing-savvy than to refer to people that are helping him as "pawns". Chess analogy or not, it's not exactly a postitive signal to be sending out to people doing your work for you. :)

    One very good point he makes is the idea of empowering other people to create materials about the technology you are evangelizing. It was amazing to me that I could get a lot of high quality help out of people for just a little public recognition, or some free software, or a nice gadget. People like to feel like they are helping with things that they feel passionately about. Heck, that's one of the reasons why the Linux movement has done so well, since just about anyone can dive in and start contributing in some way.

    The problem I always experienced was from internal groups who were afraid of losing control of the corporate image. For example, we talked a lot about providing open forums and community sites for end users and consultants to share their solutions. This ended up being a series of communities we called CoolSolutions. But the actual code and solutions that people wrote went through a gauntlet of legal and marketing people, and it really wasn't an "open" community, it was all carefully screened.

    The book "The Cluetrain Manifesto" talks a lot about these issues with large companies afraid to give up control. I think the right thing to do is for companies to loosly try to encourage an "ecosystem" around their technologies that then becomes self supporting. In this sense, they are practicing biomimicry in the form of crop diversity. You could think of internal PR and marketing departments as monocrops that are very susceptible to a single bad link, such as a sucky chief marketing officer. Diversity is good, and a product evangelism is one role that can encourage corporate "crop" diversity.

    As an aside, I'm currently looking for a job. So if anyone in management read this and said, "product evangelists? I've gotta get me one of those!", then you can get to my resume here. or e-mail me at twid @ projectjellybean.com. I don't smell, I brush my teeth several times a day, I have no open oozing wounds, and I'm great fun at parties.

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    1. Re:I was an Evangelist too by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was amazing to me that I could get a lot of high quality help out of people for just a little public recognition, or some free software, or a nice gadget.

      I think this is a very important point, and one that explains why Microsoft has the upper hand on Linux. These things all generate mindshare and loyalty, whereas just paying someone to do the same work won't produce the same results. For you developers: Would you be more inclined to start programming for Linux if your product got mentioned in a press release? If you were given a suite of otherwise expensive development tools? Or a Sharp Zaurus? I know I would be.

      When Microsoft gives away products, people think they're getting something valuable. When users download a Linux ISO, it's something that, legally, isn't allowed to carry a measurable, monetary value. Finding a way to make people think about your product as something with intrinsic, definable value makes it more valuable, for everyone involved.

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    2. Re:I was an Evangelist too by barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was working as a C programmer on HP-UX when I did my first Linux install at home. I was absolutely blown away by the development package that installed with Linux... my first thought was "Dang, if I paid money for all of this, it would cost me tens of thousands of dollars!".

      This, in a nutshell, is the power of Linux, and what makes it such threat to Microsoft. Microsoft's business has always been low end computing. They got to be a powerhouse because they get a percentage when computers became a commodity.

      Microsoft's problem is that the operating system its self is going to become a commodity, and who or whatever can serve up web pages, or word processing documents or create images or whatever the cheapest wins. Linux is a pretty strong contender here; the price is hard to beat, and it does the job well.

    3. Re:I was an Evangelist too by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The development package that installed with Linux... my first thought was "Dang, if I paid money for all of this, it would cost me tens of thousands of dollars!".

      AMEN! I can't begin to express how great Linux is for developers. It's like you said... The OS is becoming a commodity. But vertical market applications are NOT, nor will they likely ever be. Right now, you're fighting against a HUGE range of incompatibilities. Not the least of which are hundreds of complicated online services that run only on IE.

      Entrenched vertical market apps mean that organizations have no flexiblity in choosing a new platform -- heck, most of my big jobs over the past two years have been cleaning up, patching, and rewriting apps so they'll run under Win2000, since the companies couldn't keep running Windows 95 anymore. Nowhere has there been discussion of an OS change, for two reasons: (1)Porting the app to another, less familiar platform would have been much more work, and a lot more debugging, and (2)many sites needed for daily business were IE-Only.

      There's got to be a way to get the developers on your side for this. Help them understand Linux well enough that the development costs for (re)writing vertical market apps is not so much higher than for Win32, and make sure IE isn't the only working browser :)

      It can be done. And the best way to produce the desired effect, is to make current Windows developers more familiar with Linux. Give stuff away on physical media; Force them to think about Linux whether they want to or not. Make them realize that Linux has value, even if they don't have to pay for it. It'll help your cause to do the same with browsers. Give away a copy of Mozilla Firebird on CD, or Opera.
      --And while you're at it, get ready to do the same for OpenBEOS; It looks like it's gonna rock--

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    4. Re:I was an Evangelist too by Twid · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that just the mention of someone's help in a readme, or on a mailing list, or other non-physical help is a great motivator for people too.

      While the ability to pay for giveaways and sponsor other freebies is an advantage for commercial software companies, I see Linux User's Groups getting similar sorts of free stuff from hardware vendors, and I see no shortage of Linux related freebies at conferences.

      In the BSD world, I know a couple people that are BSD committers, and they are held in respect by others in the BSD world. Just that is a powerful motivator for them.

      So, what I'm saying is that corporate software companies should emulate the free software world and give more people outlets for contributing articles, white papers, and code without reviews from the marketing or legal departments.

      Giveaways are nice too, and it all adds up when you're going for a "network effect", so your point is still a good one. And yes, people *do* do crazy amounts of work for just a little recognition and some freebies. Look at the Microsoft MVP program, for example.

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  21. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    MS only thinks of technical evangelism as war if you idea of war is scorched earth that nobody can live on.

    Right, because we all know this type of thing is never done by companies like Apple, Borland, IBM, Sun, Cisco, etc. Or (heavens forbid) people who advocate open source software. At least company wars are fought in level fields - the "good vs. evil" mentality that permeates most open source zealots is downright cynical and pathetic at best.

    (btw, spare me the "m$ is a monopoly so teh [sic] rules are difrereent [sic] with them" line)

  22. Proven protection against evangelism by geoff+lane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is to open up your client software. That way you get your code ported to more platforms than you can count... for free.

    It's difficult for a company that only really supports one platform to compete against s/w that's in widespread use everywhere.

    Opening up netscape five years earlier would have killed IE before it even got started. Real may understand this now, I wonder if Macromedia does yet.

  23. Re:Linux Zealot goes to the Mac store by SkewlD00d · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it me.. or are people generally lazy? I should develop the LazyAssOS that does everything for you... you just watch as it does your work for you, like a matrix screen-saver. I *know* the Automated Homework Generator is on the cusp of reality.

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  24. Standard responses to an article about M$ by donutello · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. "This is another part of the evil plan by an evil company to use its evil monopoly for world domination."
    2. "This is not new. Apple/BSD/ has done this for years. Another example of M$ just copying others and having no innovation."
    3. "This is the end. As soon as customers hear about this, they will en masse migrate away and Bill will be a pauper by next year."
    4. "(-1, Troll) Look, this is another example of how the great lord Bill is making things better for all of us!"

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  25. phew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny


    for a second i thought we where going to have a non-Microsoft bashing day, thank goodness this story came up, i was beginning to worry about our reputation.

    if(story.indexOf("microsoft")!=-1){cursingMsComm en ts++}

  26. Microsoft is responsible for macromedia's success by robogun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get it. The sole reason Macromedia is the size it is, is simply because Windows has no option to permanently refuse a web download.

    In the old days, when you hit a site that has flash content, and you don't have it installed, it would try to install Flash. The dialog box has no option to permanently refuse Flash, so sooner or later everybody just gives in.

    This policy allowed Macr to reach critical mass. Now brosers ship with Flash. Now you're telling me Microsoft is against Macr?

  27. Good Heavens by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: An unconscious decision is ideal, from the platform vendorâ(TM)s perspective. When ISVs support a Microsoft platform without even realizing that they have made a decision, and rejected any alternatives, then we have truly won that platform battle.

    The truth - the almost sinister truth - of that statement grips me at my soul.

    The trick is that folks think they're making a choice to purchase a merely single item, be it a CD, and DVD, a software package, a computer, a vehicle, or a politician (with a vote or literally with a breifcase of money). The reson this is a trick is that by making that choice, the purchaser endorses the entire chain of policies and events that bring that product to the shelf. You're literally saying, "whatever happened to get this product in my hot little hands, it's okay by me because the price is right.

    Until I read that line above, I hadn't thought of the entire hegemony that lurked behind a price sticker with the kind of laser precision that the author used to word it. And I always thought I was a reasonably self-aware guy. HOLY SHIT. His side won, and I didn't even realize I was in a battle.

    I'm making that line my sig. Nothing woke me up with quite the same jolt that it did. Maybe I'm just dumber than I thought I am. Is it just me?

    GMFTatsujin

    1. Re:Good Heavens by Sentry21 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is it just me?

      Yeah, we wanted to see how long you'd take to figure it out yourself. Unfortunately, since he gave it away, you don't get the price. :/

      --Dan

    2. Re:Good Heavens by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 2

      No, it's not just you, but you'll need to generalize your sig. Unconscious decisions aren't just ideal for platform vendors, but for every business. Why do corporations spend so much money on worthless advertisements that don't even tell me what their product does? The rationale is: if you see enough McDonalds ads, when you're hungry, you'll think about McDonalds first. Or, from a more technological perspective, when I need a computer part, I go to Fry's. Where else would I go to buy case fans and RAM? I haven't even checked. We are manipulated into making unconscious decisions every day.

      Where do you go for clothes? Gap/Old Navy.

      What kind of shoes do you want? Nike.

      What do you want to drink? Coke. Etc.

      VERY FEW people think of these things. The question is, now that we've started to...where do we go from here? Even those of us who are aware of this continue to drink our Victory Gin.

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    3. Re:Good Heavens by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, before there was Fry's, there were (still are, actually) mom and pop style white box computer stores that sell/sold a tiny fraction of what Fry's does. You would go into one of them and buy the case fan they had.

      Now, of course, you go to Fry's, as do I, because they have 10,000 different types of case fans, and you can pick the exact one you need. And the good experience of knowing that if you want something, however obscure, you can get it at Fry's drives you to go to Fry's without thinking.

      But this can change in an instant. When Apple Stores started opening, I found out that I could get amazing, first-rate service for almost exactly the same price I was paying at Fry's. Sometimes it was actually cheaper (especially in software). So now I only go to Fry's for things I can't get at the Apple Store. Above a certain price, I'll check both and generally give the Apple Store a slight preference because I just like their service so much better. For Apple-brand stuff, I know all retailers are within a dollar or two of each other, so I just head straight for the Apple Store. (Mail order might give you a two percent discount and a lousy free printer; not worth the bother).

      The point I'm making is that it's easy and rational to form a preference, and then not examine it until something new comes along. That is clearly the goal of companies like Fry's. But this does not eliminate competition, and when better alternatives come around, shifts do occur.

      It's a pity there is such a huge buy-in with an operating system purchase that it's very difficult and expensive to switch. My operating system choice (MacOS X) determines my video editing program of choice (Final Cut Pro) and keeps me more or less locked in to my Photoshop, After Effects and Illustrator licenses - even though I could cross grade when updating, this would be difficult and time consuming.

      I think Apple would have a much easier time gaining market share if this buy-in effect was not so strong. The buy-in effect, when used as ruthlessly as Microsoft has, is truly brutal.

      D

  28. Re:Linux Zealot goes to the Mac store by jalet · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Even Linux Zealot switched to using macs

    There's a typo, it should be :

    "Even Linux Zealot switched to using Emacs"

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  29. Parts of Flash are open. by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 3, Informative

    SWF is an open file format; while the Flash application itself may not be open source, its ultimate product can be read and produced by open source applications.

    This gives Flash, or at least the SWF format, some serious leverage.

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  30. Lever analogy flaw? by Davorama · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Is it just me or is this analogy fundamentally flawed if you actually know the physics? Yes, a lever makes it take less force to move a given mass but it still takes the same amount of effort for that mass to obtain a given momentum.

    In physics, a lever rotating around a fulcrum magnifies the force applied. Therefore, before starting to push his technology, the wise evangelist looks for leverage.

    In technical evangelism, the mass being accelerated is platform support. Levers are people, companies, products, or channels of communication that allow you to accelerate the mass of support with less effort. Any effort you save working one lever, can be invested in working another. âoeLeverageâ is one of the key concepts of technical evangelism.

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    Davo -- Free speech, free software, AND free beer.

  31. paraphrasing the Dixie Chicks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To paraphrase the Dixie Chicks, I'm ashamed to be from the same country as these folks. In the kind of country I'd wish to live in, people would have PERSONAL HONOR and would INSTANTLY RESIGN when they first become aware their company was pursuing a policy like this. They'd quickly get a reputation as assholes and crooks, and people wouldn't want to deal with them. It even says -- explicitly -- that the motivation for this behavior is not just money, but very large amounts of money. They are not just greedy; they are deliberately making the decision to sacrifice the common good for their own selfish ends.

    What makes me really sad is not that there are a few evil people in the world. What makes me sad is that this is socially acceptable here in the U.S. Enough people have bought into the capitalistic bullshit lie of winning at any cost that these people may have a relatively low level of awareness that what they are doing is morally wrong. Worse, two people that I can think of who I otherwise respect as honorable men -- my dad and the pastor of my church -- both think that Microsoft has a bold vision that is to be emulated and/or has done lots of good for the country overall. I can't help but conclude, since these are genuinely good men otherwise, that their culture has fed them a lie.

    Apparently deliberately-antisocial corporate greed is OK and it's OK to use anti-competitive practices to crush your enemies instead of competing fairly by making a good product. And apparently I'm the only one in the US who thinks otherwise.

    OK, I know I've said nothing new here. I'm done venting. For now.

  32. Anyone catch the statement in the footnotes ?? by AlabamaMike · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the footnotes:
    *snip*
    [2] Recently, our competitors have added âoepoliticalâ to this list. Political actions result in law, which is backed up by force. They may come to regret educating us of the power of political means. */snip*
    I guess this means that MS has decided to start playing the political game wich it's own panache now. I believe the recent settlement with the government is only outcome #1 we'll see from this new activity. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some legislation brewing that would grant them some type of legalized monopoly. After all, if he who pays the piper calls the tune MS is in a position to control the Congressional Playlist for many years to come ...
    -A.M.

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  33. oh come on by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've seen hundreds of database driven Flash sites. It's fairly simple to do.

    I agree that Flash is evil, but that doesn't justify skewing facts.

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  34. Quick summary by PolR · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here it goes.
    1. If someone assume user has software X for their business then software X is a platform.
    2. If software X is a platform, then it is a competitor.
    3. Defeating a competitor is making sure it gets no share of the business.
    The rest is a brief overview of how they proceed. Basically they don't do the job themselves. They convince others, especially software developpers, to do it for them. This works best when the others are not aware of the alternatives and consequences of their choices. When they get enough people working their way, a critical mass is achieved and Microsoft's platform becomes an unavoidable standard.

    This is extremely efficient because of the number of people they can get working for their goal without having them on the payroll.

    The power of this article is not in the novelty of the story, it is in illuminating how the whole thing works.

  35. Harware Support: Linux outshines Windows by Aardpig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    yes, windows outshines Linux in that it supports more commercial hardware and that most companies only make drivers for windows.

    By commercial hardware, I assume you mean components and peripherals which are compatible with what we know as the "IBM PC". In terms of platforms supported, I think you will find that Linux runs on a far greater variety than does Microsoft Windows. Think SPARC, Alpha, PowerPC, ARM, MIPS...

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  36. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by rsheridan6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Note that the previous poster pointed out that they have crushed companies that tried to *cooperate* with them, not just competitors (Wal-Mart generally doesn't do that). Also note the difficulties MS has had with their smart-phone producer of the week and EA. I assume the executives of those companies aren't dirty linux hippies.

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  37. OpenSWF Link by MyHair · · Score: 4, Informative

    The SWF specification.

    I'm fairly sure there's an open source viewer and some open source creation tools. I've read about some on-the-fly generated SWF like for charts and graphs. The links should on the site somewhere.

    This is one of those things I'll figure I'll get around to playing with someday.

  38. I feel the spirit... by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Saturday Night, Redmond Washington. Microsoft Exec: Yes!! Amen! I feel his spirit in me!! You know who I'm talking about. Who'm I talking about?? Microsoft employees: Bill! Exec: Say it again!! MS Drones: BILL!! Exec: Amen, Brothers and Sisters, Amen. Tonight I'm gonna preach from the book of Market Strategies. Chapter 6, Verse 12 Exec: And I saw, and behold a white Aeron chair and he that sat on him had the code; and a laywers was given unto him: and he went forth to conquer. Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, ye Leviathian of blue, shall use my code no longer, for have violated the oath set upon thee, and shall hence forth give unto repentance of 3 billion coins of silver...

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    My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...

    1. Re:I feel the spirit... by tcak · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... and right now, this Saturday night, I know that there are many of you waiting to receive Lord Bill Gates as your personal Savior; many who are hungry and thirsty for the blessings that I am about to bestow upon you... I would like you to stand up, raise your right hand, and repeat this prayer after me....

      Our father, who art in Redmond
      Microsoft be thy name
      Thy monopoly come, thy will be done
      throughout the earth as it is in the US.
      Give us this day, our daily license activation key
      And forgive us our bug reports
      as we forgive our system crashes
      And lead us not into competition
      But deliver us from innovation
      For thine is the Control, and the Power and the Greed
      Forever. Amen.

      Mmmmmm..... ohhhhhh yeaaa.... DEVELOPERS! (people echo) DEVELOPERS!! (people echo louder) DEVELOPERSSSS!!! (sound of hands clapping) Let the Spirit of Micro$oft fall upon us, O Gatessss.... COME all ye developers, shout unto Lord Bill Gates with a voice of TRIUMPHHHHHH....

      (Cue music)

      When the Spirit of Micro$oft
      Comes upon my heart
      I will dance like Ballmer danced.
      (2x)

      Chorus:
      I will dance, I will dance,
      I will dance like Ballmer danced (2x)

  39. Irrealistic Blood Frenzy by korpiq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The tone of the "first chapter" linked is astonishingly rude. It seems like the thinking were from a mindscape of cubic boulders splatted murky red with blood, not unlike the ending levels of original Doom. If this speaks of mentality inside Microsoft, that company definitely is the temple (and on this millennia, the memorial) of the idea of self-justificating greed of the 1980's. And in the networked (in social and organizational sense) world of today, it is quite alone waving that ugly flag.

    Microsoft will be truly lost, not by getting bankrupt or marginalized or anything, but by simply being left as one of the group of players on the software field. That is the loss of its central philosophy, that there could "only be one". Is it not so?

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    On totally other news, it is imminent now that free software will prevail, and must start to prepare to deliver its promise. A lot of infrastructure must be invented in order to best utilize the power of shared development. Just think of all of those organizations from Münich and Turku to the enlightened countries of South America, asking for preparation, development and upkeep of their systems... It can be left to happen, or it can be planned for.

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  40. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by slimme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    did MS engage in illegal anti-competitive practices which are bad for the consumer and bad for the market." I don't see you answering that question.

    They have been convicted of doing just that. Everybody knows that.

  41. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Wal-Mart destroyed the competition. And, yes, some say Wal-Mart is evil. But all they did is healthy, normal competition, no?

    What they and others do is far beyond competition, much less 'healthy' or 'normal.'

    They're coasting on the fact that once you achieve a certain critical mass, you get god-mode in the system. For individuals that condition tends not to last, as they either get booted from their company once things get big, or the novelty wears off and they decide to try it all over again. But for corporations, that's a sustainable state, which turns them into fiscal black holes that swallow everything visible to them.

    I've always thought that communism looked good on paper, but just doesn't scale well beyond a few thousand people. So are we seeing a similar limitation with capitalism? Or is Wally World really just so clearly superior to anything else with a cash register?
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  42. But which are the exceptions? by gidds · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Maybe the assholes are the exceptions, not the cool guys?

    Things are changing quite a lot in the Mac community. With Mac OS X, there are a lot of fairly new Mac users who aren't necessarily wedded to every dot and comma of the old OS. I'm one, for example. (I hope you wouldn't find me pompous, elitist, or arrogant, but that's not for me to judge :) I've fairly broad experience of platforms before 'going Mac' a couple of year ago; there's a lot I love about current Macs (and just a few things I hate). I'm happy to talk about the good stuff, because I find that a lot of PC users simply don't know that things can be different. (That probably doesn't apply to many Slashdotters, of course.) But I try to be honest rather than rabid about it.

    I don't know how representative I am of current Mac users, but I suspect that the closed-minded arrogant ones are a smaller proportion than they were 2 or 3 years ago.

    (Oh, and what's wrong with being elitist, anyway? When you know just how good things can be, doesn't having to use crap give you pain, whether it's Windows software, web sites, browsers, closed-source software, proprietary data formats, low-quality audio, or whatever? We can all get rabid about something...)

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    Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.

    1. Re:But which are the exceptions? by baloogan · · Score: 2, Funny

      i LIKE macs but i cant stand them, im a control freak, if i cannt control EVERY aspect of my computer i slash through /usr/src until i have FULL control
      But most of the time i break the linux kernal with huge mistakes.... backup is your firend!

  43. How to counter? by DGolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First: Remember that the best defence is a good offense..

    Developer-specific:

    Open Source should make sure to set de-facto standards - release early, release often.

    Define your data formats in something well-known like csv, sexp or xml so other open source programs can make use of them. Better yet, use a relational database backend with a public schema of views. It'll make most development easier, and all MS's best products do that, anyway. It's great (very convenient) for business use, and easy given the existence of postgres,mysql, sapdb sqllite, etc, etc.

    At the same time, don't get too hung up on data format standards - MS has shown that so long as your next version reads them, that's good enough, your next version doesn't have to use the same data format as its native format, so long as it can read the old format.

    MS has shown that what matters is to get a product out there, capturing mindshare - once a user has psychologically committed to your product, they'll probably stick with it, even if your next version is a ground-up rewrite so that it actually works. And if you release for windows, code to libSDL+OpenGL for games, and use cygwin, qt or gtk for utilities. NEVER use the Win32/.net directly API for new applications, even via WINE or Mono - that's one of the "proprietary standards" the chapter excerpt talks about (don't beleive the ECMA-standardisation .net stuff - it's still m$ 0wned)

    For general evangelism to non-technical audiences

    Make sure that your desktop runs a window manager with a really snazzy theme and some flashy applications (xmms...) when anyone drops by. Current Linux WMs can outclass WinXP in flashiness stakes. Contrary to popular opinions, consistency doesn't seem to matter a great deal - if the program is flashy enough, it might be a consistency nightmare, but will impress the yokels (don't call them yokels). It doesn't hurt to have a speech synthesis program e.g. festival going to read the subject lines of incoming mails, or some other geek-gimmick. Appearance is everything to the non-geek (and geekiness is domain-specific, a DIY geek who sees straight through gimmicky power tools won't necessarily see through flashy computer GUI gimmicks)

    Try not to get all philisophical on I.P. issues. Stick to "you have the right to change it or ask/pay someone other than the original manufacturer to change it for you. Like taking your car to a garage.". Anything more complex doesn't work for MS, it won't work for you. Yes, you may think I.P. is an absurdity. But most people are keyword-scanners. The message they'll get is that you're "anti-property". Yes, information is non-scarce and therefore you should't mindlessly apply scarcity-based property laws to it, yes, the very idea of information as property runs counter to the scientific method, but boring them by droning on about it won't help (I just droned on about it, and you damn-near switched-off, didn't you?)

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  44. These guys make me cross by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * Independent software vendors (ISVs[4]) assume the presence of Windows on the consumerâ(TM)s PC.

    vs.

    An electric toaster supports the American electricity standard if
    * Its plug can fit into the American-standard electrical outlet, and...

    How can anybody seriously compare this kind of free-to-implement, non-trade-secret, properly documented standard with what MS does?

    Standards organisations define standards, companies implement them. That way you get this thing called competition that's quite popular with economists.

  45. Re:Hate Flash too - Re:As much as I hate to say it by egreB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The web is about content, not design. The web should be available to all browsers, including Opera, Links, Mozilla, w3m, Internet Explorer, netrik, Konqueror and so on.

    It's not the box that should meet sepcs, it's the webpage. It's about seperating content from presentation.

    Flash is a great medium, but has nothing to do on the web.

  46. Flash "Royale" vs. MS "Future Product" Not So Much by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Micah Alpern raises some good points about MS's attention to vector based ui's. I think though that he's completely offbase when saying that Macromedia's announcement of Royal will ilicit any response from Redmond.

    Flash won't be a threat to Microsoft as a "full platform". The primary reason is that Macromedia is great at marketing their products - but architecutally their product line lacks consistancy of vision and execution. Flash for example has, over the past three versions proved time and time again that it lacks a reliable, and easy to use programming environment, an absolute necessity for building truly sophisticated ui's and functionality.

    Don't get me wrong - there is some amazing flash work out there. Kudo's to the design/developers that were able to produce such things. The road to such accomplishments however is frought with errors, head scratching and mysteries.

    This is primarily because Macromedia seems to think that it's OK to produce API level functions that don't behave as expected so long as they are documented. See Macromedia 'Technotes' for further ammo er info. I think somewhere along the way someone at Macromedia misread "Test and Deploy" as "Deploy and Test". Most have to do with I/O such as load movie, getUrl, and loadVariables. Solid multi source I/O is an absolute necessity for building fully featured "rich client" applications. JavaScript is also not an acceptable language for building real applications. Especailly Macromedia's implementation which has a very loose object based approach to dealing with items in the movie. Flash is also slow. On machines who are not as "swift" as their high speed grand children - high complexity movies are sluggish and don't respond well.

    What this all comes down to is the fact that from a technology perspective, Macromedia lacks a coherent architecture for accomplishing complex tasks that will be required to build "Royale" and there is a good chance that developers first taste of Royale will be a bitter one.

  47. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by chriso11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I would like to elaborate on a particular comment:

    So evolution, and capitalism, is to some degree self-defeating; once a competitor reaches the point where he can eliminate the game that led to his success, he can, in essence, kick away the ladders and burn the bridges to his success so that no others can approach his position.

    The problem of capitalism is that it is based on tracking money. Money is the only metric. But it is not the one that evaluates the status of humanity very well. It seems that a lot of people think that capitalism is 'natural' to humanity, since it has been very successful in developing our capabilities. However, it seems the world is heading towards rule by corporation. And I really don't think that is better for everyone.

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  48. Re:Hate Flash too - Re:As much as I hate to say it by Pope · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The web is about content, not design

    It hasn't been that for years. The web is anything a person with server space wants it to be.

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  49. The war is almost over... by FatherOfONe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First off, to call this a war is an insult to all the people that have fought and died in a real war; but I will humor the analogy.

    Microsoft is starting to loose a lot of key battles. The can't compete with Linux simply because of the price. People are cheap and if they can get something for free and it works ok, they will live with it. I honestly believe that this is part of the reason that the Macintosh isn't nearly as competitive as WinTel.

    First will be governments switching over to it, then schools,charitable organizations and point of sale type businesses. After that is done then you will see surrounding businesses that work with those HUGE clients being forced to switch. Once that is done and Linux/Open Source has a 25-30% desktop market share the war is over. No development company will want to exclude 25-30% of the market and then ROME falls quickly.

    Some of the key battles that I see now that Microsoft isn't winning.
    1. Handhelds
    2. Phones
    3. Java v.s. .Net
    4. Getting current user base to upgrade past NT 4.0
    5. PS2 vs Xbox.
    6. Databases, Oracle, IBM, SQL Server, MySQL, PostGreSQL

    In my opinion Microsoft seems a lot like IBM of the early 80's. The are doing a lot of things, and flat out own one key marketplace, but they don't do anything well.

    Now there are some things that could dramatically slow this down.
    1. Death of Linus.
    2. IBM to offer it's own Linux and try and seize control of the kernel.
    3. For some reason Java flounders.

    Anyway, the way I see it the next 10 years will actually be fun!

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    The more I learn about science, the more my faith in God increases.
  50. Re:If MS were to use such strategies, would anyone by Dalcius · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't confuse negative moderation with disagreement. Many pro-MS comments get modded down not because they are pro-MS, but because they are poorly founded and/or lack basic logic.

    I'm a Linux user myself, and I've modded down my share of pro-MS comments, but on the basis that they either 1) have no clue what they're talking about, or 2) are highly logic impaired. I'm talking about basic logic, not judgements on opinions.

    There are many pro-MS comments that I agree with. Unlike some of the zealots (most who will get over it, eventually), I understand that Windows has its place and advocate Windows to anyone who doesn't:
    1) Dislike Microsoft solutions
    2) Want to explore their computer
    3) Want to configure everything in detail

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    Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
  51. I'll read this right after I read Hillary's by cmacb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "This book focuses on technical evangelism as it was practiced at Microsoft from 1990 through 2000. In this decade, we may have lost a few skirmishes, but we won every battle. As a direct result, Microsoft built its annual profits from an impressive XXX to an astounding XXX. Microsoft stock made its founders, investors, and employees rich. In its many platform battles along the way, we crushed competing platforms consistently, ruthlessly, and systematically."

    Proof that if you are a self centered A-hole and want to start a company you should surround yourself with other self centered a-holes too.

    Evangelism is a great word for the Microsoft phenomena. They ask you to believe without any proof, in fact in spite of proof to the contrary, that they advanced technology during the 80's and 90's.

    The PC phenomena, in spite of a good start has set computing back at least 10 years. Almost all of the innovations brought to us via the PC have come in spite of Microsoft not because of it. Even so, there is so much re-invention of wheels going on. From protected memory spaces, multitasking, asynchronous I/O devices, it all had to be re-invented for the PC and more specifically, for Windows, when all of the concepts had been invented, and refined on mainframes years earlier.

    We've turned into a society of publishers with no time to read. We can't get customer support for our flaked out computing infrastructure because everyone is too busy working on their blog to man the help-desk.

    If Microsoft doesn't change, the combination of true Enterprise computing, Open Source, and Internationalism is going to cause Microsoft to lose skirmish, battle and war. What Microsoft needs not is not evangelists, bit strategists. And this time, rather than strategizing only on how to "crush the competition", maybe they should try strategizing on how to do something good for the world or at least a value-add for their customers. In the process they may allow their company to continue to survive.

    By the way, this doesn't look like a very good book. Sounds like the kid in the bubble trying to tell you how the world works, excpcept he hasn't even bothered to look up what the XXX number are yet. Astonding!

  52. Typical.... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And war it is â" but a war of words, not bullets. A war in which that side wins, which best serves the needs of its customers. A war in which both sides agree that their ultimate objective is to make the world a better place through better technology. A war that benefits everyone (although some more than others). Thatâ(TM)s the kind of war I want to fight â" and thatâ(TM)s the kind of war I mean to win.

    That's so typical of MS employees. They can say the most astonishing things, and somehow link it all back to "doing what's best for the customer", Kevin Bacon style. They collectively tell themselves, and therefore believe, that they are there to serve the customer, and that they are the best because they do what the customer needs and wants.

    The reality is far, far different of course. It's rare (but not unheard of) for one of their employees to make the mental leap between the hordes of people who hate them, and the idea that maybe they are actually working exclusively for the profit of their shareholders and executives as opposed to "making the world a better place through technology".