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SMS, SARS, And Censorship

angkor writes with a link to this article about "How SMS messaging in China forced the government to acknowledge the 'fatal flu in Guangdong.' And the steps the Chinese government is taking to make sure it does not happen again."

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  1. I can see their reasons by Keri+Immos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I think it's perfectly understandable that the Chinese government block these SMS messages. It allows them to control their own country, instead of having to deal with rumor-spreading rabble rousers. Also, 120 million people hearing about this via SMS is small compared to the overall population of China, which is somewhere a little above one billion. That's a similar percentage to the 20-some million in the states who have heard about the penis length crisis.

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    1. Re:I can see their reasons by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      'Flamebait'? Not really; it's the way things are done in China. Sometimes people get so blinded that they assume any culture (i.e. Chinese) that differs to American culture is automatically "evil" and "oppressed", rather than actually practising tolerance for the fact that other cultures are different and not automatically better or worse. Perhaps we could have a bit more genuine tolerance here?

      Next week - So they like to machete people to death in Rwanda, who are we to critisise, it's how they do things there.
      Also followed by "Closed trial hijinks in Saudi Arabia" and "Killing fields, schmilling fields", a comedy drama set in 1970s Cambodia.

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  2. That's repression for you by EricWright · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing like addressing a deadly disease by imprisoning anyone who gets worried about it and sends a message to a remote family member to have them send "a cure." I guess I should say it once again... Information wants to be free!

  3. It's the same the world over by freedommatters · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Its technology allows it, for example, to search the country's entire volume of email traffic for words such as "Falungong", or to monitor any individual's text messages.

    Anyone snared in its high-tech web can expect surveillance, intimidation, arrest and prison."

    and that is different from the US and the UK how exactly? maybe they search for different words but the principle is the same.

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  4. Big news? by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The China government is already for quite some years working on censorship of electronic media. I cannot imagine that this is the first time they monitor and 'regulate' SMS traffic. When it is the first time, the Chinese are not as smart as I would have thought them to be.

    Furthermore, SMS is nothing more than e-mail, basically (even little less, duh...). Problems will occur when foreign network companies will enter China, for example Vodafone. On the other hand, quite some Western countries are happy to co-operate with the Chinese government to apply censorship. Even from the land of the free.

  5. China shops at Villian Supply by Michael's+a+Jerk! · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Good folks at Villain Supply are selling a VAGUE, PANIC-PROVOKING COMMUNICABLE DISEASE for a mere US$149,999.99.

    As the age of SARS has proven, nothing scares the gullible, scientifically illiterate population like a vague, panic-provoking communicable disease. Just tack a scary acronym onto any poorly-defined set of flu-like symptoms, and watch the fun begin.

    Your Vague, Panic-Provoking Communicable Disease comes with several medical journal articles identifying the disease in the most non-specific terms possible, a batch of press releases, and 25% ownership of a face mask factory.


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  6. I wonder when.. by MrZilla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..we'll see encrypted SMS? On the other hand, if it's not already, it'll probably soon be a criminal offense to send any encrypted messages over there as well..

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  7. BIG BIG BROTHER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well ... China has around 30,000 government employees whose sole function is to monitor and censor communications over the Internet.

    The fact that SMS was used in this case isn't a big deal. The current cellular platforms deployed in China do not allow filtering, tracking, etc. at the basestation level. However, as someone who worked on these danged things, the new base stations have features that track and filter all SMS traffic.

    At the end of the day, network communication is not anonymous and it is sad that people who do not have a total understanding of technology get others into trouble.

  8. How wonderfully effective... by mgcsinc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "In March last year it required all websites and domestic and foreign internet providers to sign a "self-discipline pact" obliging them not to disseminate "harmful texts or news likely to jeopardise national security and social stability, violate laws and regulations, or spread false news, superstitions and obscenities"."
    I love the references to rumors, superstitions, etc. When will the Chinese government take into account the lessons of history and realize that the best way to cultivate rumors and suspicion is to have a population as in the dark as the one they have created. You let your media report freely, and rumors will be quickly shot down with reliable references. You control your media, and you lost the trust of your citizens, who, not knowing any better source, trust the equally-uninformed rumors which then spread like wildfire.
    In addition, I read with utter amusement China's wish to maintain a huge telecom and information infrastructure. Would someone like to explain how a nation so inhibiting of communication and information expects to make use of such technology... It's hypotrical, China would love to look Western while keeping its citizans controled in this fashion, and they'll never prove sucessful.

  9. China is watching you! by thelandp · · Score: 5, Interesting
    During the height of the IT boom I was wokring for an internet startup. One of the other teams in the company was writing some spyware (not particularly happy about it, but work is work). The software sent all of your web clicks to the server to be perused at leisure.

    Guess who one of our major customers was ... the Chinese Government!

    Luckily it never got off the ground...

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  10. Re:China and Human Rights Abuse by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The Great Firewall of China" is China's most spectacular cover-up? What? That doesn't even remotely compare to when 62 dams in China failed in the course of one night. No news of these dams collapsing came out of China until years later despite the fact that this huge catastrophe caused at least 20,000 deaths (some estimate as high as 230,000 but really nobody knows) and over 1,000,000 survivors became homeless or famine-struck as a result of the floods.

  11. SARS Rumor Mongering in Southern California by crazyhorse44 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    in the San Gabriel Valley... someone began circulating an email stating that several cases had been found locally and named specific restaurants and markets that had been closed.

    The first time I read it I thought it was a hoax, but then a friend who worked at a local hospital called me and told me they were distributing it as a general alert at the hospital.

    I ended up going to the Police Department, scared, to find out. Turns out the email was a fraud, and that the PD had been recieving 500 calls a day about it. The establishments mentioned had seen a decrease in business of 50% as a result of some A-HOLE playing a joke. This is similar to what happened in China, I think. I would applaud if they caught the originator and put them in prison.

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  12. Censored information about SARS in the USA? by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The German magazine "Telepolis" (from Heise.de) has an interesting article about SARS in the USA.

  13. Hypocrisy or Censorship - take your pick... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay.., while we bash the draconian dragon that is China, let's stop a while and think of other 'informed' societies.

    How many of the millions of car owners in the US knew that they had 'black boxes'.

    How many of the 1,500 receipients of SCO's extortion letters registered a protest of any description?

    How many are aware that MS is stifling a project named 'Schnazzle' - on questionalbe grounds?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesste ch nology/134994939_esiod14.html

    How is it that Germany, Poland and Australia have protested and asked SCO to shut up, while the silence in the US is deafening?

    Why is it that cellphones and cellphone tech is more advanced in China than in the US?

    A free society does not gurantee fairness.
    A (seemingly) unfair society does have benefits.

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  14. Re:China and Human Rights Abuse by gazbo · · Score: 5, Funny
    You're new round here aren't you.

    On Slashdot, deaths, famine and the routine detentian and torture of political prisoners, breaching basic human rights, is insignificant next to the fact they can't "share" music on Kazaa.

  15. Re:China and Human Rights Abuse by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Btw, The US also has censorship problems. Just look at how american news sources acted over Iraq - did a single mainsteam journalist criticize the government's plan?

    You're talking nonsense. The very fact that you can freely criticize the government without fear of a visit from the secret police is proof that you are not being oppressed.

    I'll flip it around: of the journalists who did criticize the government's plan, how many are in gulags now? I'll answer:
    • None, because in the West we have a little thing called freedom of speech, and
    • We don't have any gulags anyway. You're thinking of the Chinese, the North Koreans, the old Soviet Empire, the old Iraq, etc.

    So mainstream journalists supported the President. Look at any opinion poll and you'll see that the majority of ordinary Americans did too. You haven't proven anything apart from the fact that journalists are people too!
  16. Couple of things... by techturtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, this is outrageous! Not like I haven't been made aware of China's repression tactics and such before, but it's still amazes me.

    So, from the article:
    But blanket censorship is reserved for extreme situations, and this fact reflects its long-standing dilemma: while it desperately wants to control the flow of news and opinion, especially dissent, it also wants an open, modern and efficient economy, including a state-of-the-art telecom and information infrastructure.

    Wow! The statement that they're reserving censorship for 'extreme' situations is so bogus. Look at what they're doing! They're flat out trying to set up a fear driven filter system that would let them block a SINGLE WORD from entering ANY MEDIA source in the country! The idea that they could do this is amazing, and the fact that they're actually accomplishing it is even more so.

    And as for an open economy, how the hell do you do that if the citizens can't participate? I suppose people get mind-numbed enough that even government driven mis-information is better than nothing, but at some point it becomes pointless doesn't it? The government will be forcing the economy down faster than it can grow.

    Oh yeah, and... The authorities seem to have asked the websites to add the term Sars to the long list of banned words....

    ASKED!?! PFFFFFFFT!

    Don't get me wrong. Yes, I'm an American living in the U.S. No, I have no idea what it would take to actually run a country with such a huge population. But, I'm fairly certain this isn't going to help anyone and will eventually be the govt's down fall. I try not to be judgemental, but I just can't believe that this kind of stuff is for the good of the people.

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  17. And Boston by SolemnDragon · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm giving up the option to mod in this conversation just to add to that... Here in Boston, the hoax was about Chinatown, and he Mayor finally had to go have lunch there just to shut people up. There was no covered up mini-epidemic swweeping across Chinatown. It was frightening, how even when the local health authorities talked about it as a hoax, people started taking subway lines that didn't run by it, if they could.

    A lot of excellent restaurants got extra health inspections and red-tape harrassment for the first week- and then, after the hoax was demonstrated to be a hoax email alert that someone sent (probably a variant on your california one) they still faced weeks of harassment- at the hands of the general public. It's been a bad time in Boston for the gainfully employed, and they had it even worse for a time. I'm betting that there are an awful lot of small-regional economic crunches because of hoaxes like these. (this was before the public pan on smoking in Boston went through, so now they've just been hit again, while everyone adjusts.)

    Is this (sars hoax) affecting other cities? (I'm sure that it is; i'm just curious which ones...)

  18. China is like Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    News agencies are treating China like Iraq. That is, in Iraq, CNN and other international news organizations chose not to report stories about government atrocities. They wanted to skip the horrors so that they could continue to report from the country.

    The same is happening in China. Various news agencies are not reporting actual news worthy events in China, as it would get them kicked out. There is a tremendous market in China. CNN would rather skip the truth than report what is actually happening.

    The biggest human rights abuses occurr in China. Millions die in accidents there every year that you never hear about. Local communist organizations still kill people routinely.

    Economic reforms have occurred in a vacuun. Without political reform, all of this investment and wealth will be for nothing. The leaders of China still believe they are communist. The local communist groups still kill people and oppress the rest. People are still disappeared for talking to reporters who want to report what is really going on.

    China is a nation that murders its citizens. It denies the most basic of human rights. It is still ruled by incompetent men like Jiang Zimen. China is a disgrace to the world community.


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  19. Scary Very Scary by Plug1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was in Hong Kong in January and February when SARS was just starting. At the time the government was covering it up and the news reported it as a bird flu outbreak in Guangdong province. The really scary thing is that our entire time there no one knew the real threat this disease posed. I was allowed to enter the US and Canada no questions asked. Thankfully no one on the trip got sick, but this case shows that supression of information can have far reaching consequences. Had someone on our trip contracted the illness they could have possibly infected an entire college campus, with little information on what the disease was the result would have been a disaster. I hope this experience teaches the chinese gov't that information needs to be shared not hidden. Had they been honest SARS would have never spread as it did.

  20. Re:China and Human Rights Abuse by molo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * We don't have any gulags anyway. You're thinking of the Chinese, the North Koreans, the old Soviet Empire, the old Iraq, etc.

    What do you call Guantanamo Bay then?

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  21. Brittle Regimes by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting
    > Why keep it a secret? No one's going to blame you for it, every country goes through this stuff all the time. Is Communism so fragile that a few extra-heavy-duty flu cases will destroy it?

    As a matter of fact, yes, it is.

    Authoritarian regimes are strong, but brittle. In an environment characterized by slow technological change, they can last indefinitely, because the tools used to control the proles change slowly enough that leaders can keep up with them.

    Rapid technological change upsets that balance. Such change is typically driven by technology - witness the printing press, the rise of the "freethinkers", and the eventual topplings of the monarchies of Europe and Russia. (And the despots that took their place - Robespierre in France, Lenin in Russia, and so on.)

    Authoritarian regimes typically rely on controlling the means of communication in order to maintain power. Technologically-driven change in the area of communications is one of the most threatening things an authoritarian regime.

    If the Communist Party lies about SARS, then maybe... *gasp*, they lied about the day the dam broke in my village. I've gotta call my brother who was 1000 miles away with the army when it happened and ask him if the Party told him his village's dam was the only one that broke that night. And my cousin who works in Hong Kong now, I remember him laughing when I first told him it was only our dam, maybe now I know why he laughed. And my grandfather back in my old village who remembers the times before the Party.

    When nobody believes the Party ("Pravda and Izvestia - There is no truth in Pravda, and there is no news in Izvestia"), the regime shatters.

    > Seems like if a goverment wants to gain trust and credibility, they should flat-out tell the truth sometimes.

    Any government's first duty is to perpetuate itself; "building trust and credibility" is a useful goal (from the government's point of view) only insofar as it enables the government to perpetuate itself and/or increase its power over its subjects.

    Telling the truth through the various Party news outlets doesn't serve the goal of keeping the Party in power, because the forms of media that can be controlled aren't set up to deliver truth.

    And the forms of media that can't be controlled... well, one day you're talking about SARS, and the next day you're talking about what life was like without the Party.

    And that, if you're a Party official, is a fate far worse than the deaths of a few million of your subjects.