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Senator Orrin Hatch a Pirate?
Stigmata669 writes "Remember a few days ago when Senator Orrin Hatch decided that software piracy was punishable by destruction of computers? Well a bored and unemployed Sys. Admin in Houston smelled a rat when he was rooting through Hatch's website source. As it turns out Sen. Hatch is a common software pirate himself."
it's a lot easier and software-licence free to do it using css. All you need to do is hide the html part of each menu, and when the menu title is moused-over, the css, and something like two lines of JavaScript, will display the menu. No muss, no fuss.
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n.
1.
1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
2. A ship used for this purpose.
2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
3. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
4. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.
What's your point?
Yup. Here's his site. Pretty funny guy.
I'm also from Utah, an ardent Democrat, and there's no chance in hell Hatch will be kicked out of office.
The problem is that he already has a ton of power and pull in Washington where seniority rules. He's chairman of the most esteemed committee in Washington, and has blessing from the Church.
The only person that has a shot to beat him is someone like Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake's Mayor, (also featured on Insomniac tonight) and they would make him out to be the next coming of the devil. After all, he's for (shock) environmental concern, and civil liberties! Utah is a recessive state. Or at least for now...
Face it, Utah politics is as complacent as it gets, and probably why Orrin can say this kind of silliness and get away with it.
No, it is not a commercial site. However, the copyright owner still had requirements (registration), which Hatch's staff did not meet. But the fact that registration rather than money was required is immaterial. (If not, the GPL is certainly null and void, since it doesn't require payment either)
Senator Hatch is selling cds from his site as well. That would make it qualify for commercial uses and require a $900 registration fee as well. So, based on those criteria the maintainers of his site are the pirates. However, if you follow what the BSA says about software "theft" the senator is actually responsible for the actions of the people hired to do the work for him, just as a company would be responsible for the actions of thier employees. It remains to be seen if the senator will be allowed to simply use the non profit version or not.
This does damage his stance against copyright violaters as this makes him look very hipocritical. Software piracy is nothing more than copyright violation just as trading music and movies is.
When I read about Hatch's little idea, this is what I came up with as responses:
1. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
2. What ever happened to getting a warrant?
3. What ever happened to a fair trial in front of a jury of peers?
4. What ever happened to the government running the police, instead of the corporations.
5. What ever happens when someone at a record label royally screws up and fries the hard drive of someone with legiminate copies of MP3's (say of my band or ripped legally from CD's I own)?
Plus, knowing Hatch and the rest of them, it would be considered attacking the government, and thus an act of terrorism.
Being a smartass is a much better thing than being the alternative.
The Milonic DHTML Menu was totally free a little while ago.
For them to change the licensing terms retroactively ( "EVERY copy of our JavaScript menu needs to be licensed" - are they really insiting that older copies that were downloaded with it was advertised as free now be paid for and/or registered?) seems very shady to me.
But a quick look at the Google Cache will let you see the original, licence-violating version.
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StrategyTalk.com, PC Game Forums
This was linked to off of fark.com yesterday.
You can remove the tags. They state that they are not to be removed except by consumer.
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
I called Boring Orrin's office to complain and here was the reply I got:
"Senator Hatch's website was created via a third party who was responsible for the problem. The problem has now been corrected."
Those aren't the exact words but they effectively expressed his staffer's opinion.
But what really got me was the fact that the staffer refused to provide Senator Hatch's take on the matter and really seemed quite nonchalant about the whole affair.
I mentioned that I felt that Senator Hatch bears ultimate responsiblity for what is on his website and that I felt like he should own up to it.
Or to, at the very minimum, help pay the litigation costs of the person whose copyrighted material was stolen so that they could sue the crap out of the "third party web designer".
Once again I basically got a shrug type reaction from the staffer.
Those people don't have a clue!
If you want to make a difference, call Hatch's office, complain, then call your Senator's office and request that they punish him. If it's long distance for you then it will be a few bucks for each call but it will be money well spent.
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For the love of god mod this up. I thought he was joking, but it's true! It's true I tell you. http://www.myutahsearch.com/
seeing as how he's in utah, maybe a butte pirate?
Whatchew talkin' bout, Willis? Butte is in Montana...
$ whois -h whois.enom.com -H myutahsearch.com
Domain name- myutahsearch.com
Nameservers-
ns.10k.net
ns3.10k.net
Start of registration- 05/14/03 00:00:00
Registered through- 05/14/04 00:00:00
Registrant Contact-
quicknet
tim bach (quicknet@hotmail.com)
860-230-8010
FAX- 860-230-8010
320 chestnut
new britain, CT 06051
US
Administrative Contact-
quicknet
tim bach (quicknet@hotmail.com)
860-230-8010
FAX- 860-230-8010
320 chestnut
new britain, CT 06051
US
Billing Contact-
quicknet
tim bach (quicknet@hotmail.com)
860-230-8010
FAX- 860-230-8010
320 chestnut
new britain, CT 06051
US
Technical Contact-
quicknet
tim bach (quicknet@hotmail.com)
860-230-8010
FAX- 860-230-8010
320 chestnut
new britain, CT 06051
US
Status: ACTIVE
Note: To help prevent fraudulent or erroneous
transfers, we encourage registrants to place their domains on "lock"
status with their current registrar.
Sometimes. It's of course possible to reformat the harddrive. In some cases, it's possible to screw up the BIOS to the point where the computer won't boot. In rarer cases, it's possible to change BIOS settings to run components out of spec (overclock the proc and disabling the fans, for example) enough to actually damage the hardware. Of course, this would only work in some rare cases when the user was running with full Administrator privledges, and it'd be hard to write a single tool that would fuck up a diverse set of computers. In any case, if the RIAA did create such a tool, the antivirus companies would probably be all over it.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Bwahaha. The domain registration expired last month and some pr0n site snatched it up and pointed it to their site.
Whenever the offence inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigour of penal law is obliged to give way...
I was making an implication, not an assertion of truth. Are you telling me that the Church supports a pro-choice, civil libertarian agenda? Please...
Although they don't give official support in a press release, doesn't mean that they don't have a pull in Utah politics.
You obviously don't understand the political context of this state, which has had a religious element from the very beginning. After all, Brigham Young was a first elected governor of Utah with close to Saddam-like 96% (or so) of the populace.
So religion has everything to do with it. Guess who's going to be picking our pro-life judges and anti-consumerist judges. Our friend Orrin. And the church has supported campaigns against gay-marriage in Vermont and Hawaii. So you can blow it out your own naiveté.
As soon as the church gives money to a cause outside of its dogma, we'll talk.
Orrin is of course in the Senate and not the House. However the point of legislative job security is well taken. Reelection rates of incumbents in both bodies of Congress in recent years are as follows:
Year / House of Representatives / Senate
1998 / 98% / 90%
2000 / 98% / 79%
2002 / 98% / 85%
The more interesting statistic might be what proportion of these folks and their staffs have violated copyright laws. It is probably pretty close to the populace at large.
He's not selling CD's from this site. He sells CD's from this site. Not that this proves that he's actually selling any CD's, just that they're for sale.
Check out this link: http://www.hatchmusic.com/songs.html
See the second CD from the bottom of the page, "Many Different Roads"? I thought the cover art looked awfully familiar. Turns out I have a copy of that rose picture on my hard drive from years ago. It's all over the web, and can be found via Google image search.
I don't know the history of that particular image or who owns the copyright to it, but I can't help but wonder if the good senator bothered to find out...
-BK
Chemical Blog
MHO:
Parent should not be flamebait. The site he points out has existed for quite a while, and points out a lot of inconsistencies (which are also demonstrated by Democrats, Libertarians, and lots of other people in the political world).
We all know what idiots politicians can be. Flamebait? I think not. Interesting might work better. Besides, doesn't Hatch deserve a nomination for his recent idiocy? I don't care what your affiliation is, suggesting that corporations be allowed to destroy people's computers is the lowest of the low.
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Google Cache as it seems the link has been taken off.
Direct link. NOT SAFE FOR WORK as the link automatically redirects to a porn site.
The page has already been changed, but google still has the cache
Grab it while you can!
I know the same thing happened to the Linux User Group I (used to) belong to. Er, that link isn't work safe either - but it is lesbian porn, if that helps.
Kinda a shock the first time I tried to find out when the new meeting times were...
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Try the Google cache. Scroll down a little, you can't miss it.
/. and I'm willing to bet he shit himself when the AC up above pointed out that link. Oh, I would have loved to see the look on his face...
That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. Government-sponsored pr0n. I think the sysadmin does read
The world can be wrong today for once.
Guess he didn't filter that through his PR staff.
This must have been a hack - it's gone now...
Pete C
Alison
"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein
If people would check Milonic's website before blabbering on slashdot, they will notice that Hatch has resolved this issue:
"We have received many emails regarding the implementation of our software and Milonic are pleased to announce that there are no longer any licensing issues with reference to the above [Orin Hatch] website..."
Typical for the congress, dosen't matter if they are democrats or republican 99% of them are the same. It's gotten to the point, they it's a feudilistic (sp) country. We the "little people" are the surfs.....idiots who can't walk and chew gum, and if it wasn't for the kings telling us what to do, we'd all be walking around bumping into everything. They make rules for everyone to follow EXCEPT them! Just look at all the idiots up there complaining about SUV's.......They scream that it's causing global warming, but when they go home, it's in a chauffer driven limosene, or flying home in a private jet, to live in a 40 room mansion that has a 20 car garage. Until this country wakes up, throws ALL of them out, and elects people from "flyover" country, and limits their terms to let say 12 years with NO reelection possibility, it will never change. The lobbyist have their claws well dug into these idiots. It's sad, that 99% of them, have tossed their ethics out the windows for the $$$$ instead.
Let's not turn this into a farce people.
Tell that to Hatch. We're not the ones advocating vigilantism.
Edith Keeler Must Die
Yes the Mormons own Utah, I don't know about Canopy, but they were founded by Ray Noorda in 1995. And Ray Noorda is a Mormon, along with Stephen Covey, Brent Scrowcroft, Alan Ashton, Kevin Rollins (vice-chair Dell), and many others.
One key thing to keep in mind - Orrin Hatch, and many many others in the upper levels of government, are Mormons. Just to be sure everyone is clear on this, MORMONS are NOT Biblical Christians! Born-again, Fundamentalist, or Evangelical Christians agree on Biblical doctrine. Mormons have a completely different definition of God, of Jesus Christ, of Satan, of salvation, of Heaven, and Hell than is contained in the Bible. They believe what their cult founder, Joseph Smith, and subsequent "prophets" have told them. It is frequently contradictory, some would say whacko ("as God once was, we are now; as God now is, we may become").
In other words, Mormonism has used words from Christianity, but not concepts. Sort of like MS calling their lame-o program "shared source" and trying to leverage off the goodwill associated with "open source" as a term.
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