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Senator Orrin Hatch a Pirate?

Stigmata669 writes "Remember a few days ago when Senator Orrin Hatch decided that software piracy was punishable by destruction of computers? Well a bored and unemployed Sys. Admin in Houston smelled a rat when he was rooting through Hatch's website source. As it turns out Sen. Hatch is a common software pirate himself."

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  1. American Heritage 2000 (dictionary.com) by Adam9 · · Score: 3, Informative

    piÂrate
    n.

    1.
    1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
    2. A ship used for this purpose.
    2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
    3. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
    4. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.

    What's your point?

  2. Re:I live in utah by sunoxen · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm also from Utah, an ardent Democrat, and there's no chance in hell Hatch will be kicked out of office.

    The problem is that he already has a ton of power and pull in Washington where seniority rules. He's chairman of the most esteemed committee in Washington, and has blessing from the Church.

    The only person that has a shot to beat him is someone like Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake's Mayor, (also featured on Insomniac tonight) and they would make him out to be the next coming of the devil. After all, he's for (shock) environmental concern, and civil liberties! Utah is a recessive state. Or at least for now...

    Face it, Utah politics is as complacent as it gets, and probably why Orrin can say this kind of silliness and get away with it.

  3. Re:Sensationalism... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it is not a commercial site. However, the copyright owner still had requirements (registration), which Hatch's staff did not meet. But the fact that registration rather than money was required is immaterial. (If not, the GPL is certainly null and void, since it doesn't require payment either)

  4. Re:Sensationalism... by sweetooth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Senator Hatch is selling cds from his site as well. That would make it qualify for commercial uses and require a $900 registration fee as well. So, based on those criteria the maintainers of his site are the pirates. However, if you follow what the BSA says about software "theft" the senator is actually responsible for the actions of the people hired to do the work for him, just as a company would be responsible for the actions of thier employees. It remains to be seen if the senator will be allowed to simply use the non profit version or not.

    This does damage his stance against copyright violaters as this makes him look very hipocritical. Software piracy is nothing more than copyright violation just as trading music and movies is.

  5. Hmmmm by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I read about Hatch's little idea, this is what I came up with as responses:

    1. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
    2. What ever happened to getting a warrant?
    3. What ever happened to a fair trial in front of a jury of peers?
    4. What ever happened to the government running the police, instead of the corporations.
    5. What ever happens when someone at a record label royally screws up and fries the hard drive of someone with legiminate copies of MP3's (say of my band or ripped legally from CD's I own)?

  6. Re:Shiver me timbers! by andrew_mike · · Score: 4, Informative

    Plus, knowing Hatch and the rest of them, it would be considered attacking the government, and thus an act of terrorism.

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  7. In all fairness.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Milonic DHTML Menu was totally free a little while ago.

    For them to change the licensing terms retroactively ( "EVERY copy of our JavaScript menu needs to be licensed" - are they really insiting that older copies that were downloaded with it was advertised as free now be paid for and/or registered?) seems very shady to me.

    1. Re:In all fairness.... by el_nino · · Score: 4, Informative

      The DHTML menu on the Wayback Machine was version 3.0. The version currently on Hatch's site is 3.3. Just view the source.

      If you still had version 3.0 downloaded and licensed to you for free under the previous terms, it would be doubtful if they could retroactively change the licensing terms, but in this case they're offering new software under new licensing terms, and even if you had a license to a previous version of that software that doesn't give you any rights to the new version.

  8. Re:Shiver me timbers! - Mod up by doublesix · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the love of god mod this up. I thought he was joking, but it's true! It's true I tell you. http://www.myutahsearch.com/

  9. Re:yes, he is a pirate by kzinti · · Score: 4, Informative

    seeing as how he's in utah, maybe a butte pirate?

    Whatchew talkin' bout, Willis? Butte is in Montana...

  10. Re:Sensationalism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, the developer whose code he is accused of stealing explicitly prohibits Government/Political organizations from qualifying for a free license:
    Note that Intranets of any description and Government/Political bodies will need to purchase, we cannot provide free license for these installations.
  11. What about his CD cover? by bkocik · · Score: 4, Informative
    Earlier today I was reading through the comments from the previous story about Senator Hatch, and someone mentioned his site, hatchmusic.com. I went and looked to see what kind of music he writes.

    Check out this link: http://www.hatchmusic.com/songs.html

    See the second CD from the bottom of the page, "Many Different Roads"? I thought the cover art looked awfully familiar. Turns out I have a copy of that rose picture on my hard drive from years ago. It's all over the web, and can be found via Google image search.

    I don't know the history of that particular image or who owns the copyright to it, but I can't help but wonder if the good senator bothered to find out...

  12. Re:Want another highlight? by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Informative

    MHO:

    Parent should not be flamebait. The site he points out has existed for quite a while, and points out a lot of inconsistencies (which are also demonstrated by Democrats, Libertarians, and lots of other people in the political world).

    We all know what idiots politicians can be. Flamebait? I think not. Interesting might work better. Besides, doesn't Hatch deserve a nomination for his recent idiocy? I don't care what your affiliation is, suggesting that corporations be allowed to destroy people's computers is the lowest of the low.

    SB

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  13. Re:If you think that's bad... by Neolithic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google Cache as it seems the link has been taken off.

    Direct link. NOT SAFE FOR WORK as the link automatically redirects to a porn site.

  14. Re:Shiver me timbers! by tinrobot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The page has already been changed, but google still has the cache

    Grab it while you can!

  15. Re:If you think that's bad... by Catnapster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try the Google cache. Scroll down a little, you can't miss it.

    That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. Government-sponsored pr0n. I think the sysadmin does read /. and I'm willing to bet he shit himself when the AC up above pointed out that link. Oh, I would have loved to see the look on his face...

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  16. Charges Withdrawn by Javascript Developer by willutah · · Score: 4, Informative

    If people would check Milonic's website before blabbering on slashdot, they will notice that Hatch has resolved this issue:

    "We have received many emails regarding the implementation of our software and Milonic are pleased to announce that there are no longer any licensing issues with reference to the above [Orin Hatch] website..."