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prostoalex writes "The low-cost Linux PC market so far dominated by Lindows got a new entrant. According to News.com, Linare plans to sell a $199 no-monitor model with 1GHz VIA CPU, 128MB RAM, 20GB HDD, KDE, OpenOffice. An extra $50 would get the user upgraded to a 2GHz Athlon. Company is located in beautiful Bellevue, WA, which, as News.com noted, is quite close to another Seattle suburb - Redmond, WA."
It's only right that if they make money off linux, they should donate to those who work on it. If they would advertise it, I'd be more likely to buy from them.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
lindows still has the market on cheap linux laptops though
Selling software wont make you money, selling a service will.
you can get your "Linare" upholstered with fine Corinthian leather.
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I dont see how they can offer twenty four hour support for $19.95 (price of OS if purchased with support option sepearate from computer) .
I just called the number, 1-877-77-LINUX, and apparently there's one person who knows the technical specs on the PC, and he was away from his desk!! I was curious what (if any) dvd/cd drive it had, what graphics card it had, if it came with a floppy drive, and if there was any ethernet option.
I'm about to leave work, so someone else try calling and finding out =)
~Berj
Add $70 or $134 for a 17 or 19" monitor, respectively. So, it's really $270 to $370 dollars for a full system (of course, people need not buy monitors if they already have one).
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Work with my mozilla. I'm using 1.4b from ubl.
Samsung took back my unlocked bootloader because Google wants me to rent movies. They're both evil.
I'm currently looking for a cheap computer to use as a router/firewall/internet gateway for my home network. This looks like a good solution; just bang in the spare wireless & ethernet cards sitting in my bits box, bridge them together, and then hook in my USB ADSL modem. Stuff on some iptables rules and some intrusion detection, and I've got just the setup I need. Best bit is, I won't be paying for the two expensive things I don't need: MS Windows and a monitor.
Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
Linare provides home users a more user friendly and a reliable operating system
I love statements like that, More friendly and reliable than what?? A TRS-80?? Mac?? Silly marketing
The so-called Mini-ITX servers, which have possibly already been mentioned on Slashdot, are one way to go if this is what you're looking for.
They're like a regular PC, but in a much smaller box (perhaps the size of two 5.25" CD-ROM drives stacked on top of each other), and are often fanless (no, that doesn't mean they overheat, it means they're designed not to need one...), resulting in much less noise and much less power consumption. Many are cheap, and they make ideal Linux/BSD boxes for all kinds of things - web/mail/dns/anything server, backing up your data (or each other), monitoring security cameras for movement, etc. Here's a few examples for more information:
Here, here, here, here, here.
Some of them do actually officially support Linux/BSD AFAIK, such as the OpenBrick and LinITX.com.
-Andrew
Is anyone else tired of low end machines that have an excessively fast processor with way too little RAM? Sure, you can always upgrade, but since this machine is destined for non-techies, it should work well out of the box.
I'd rather have a 600 Mhz machine with twice as much RAM so that KDE doesn't run like a slug.
Maybe 128 MB would be excusable if they turn the anti-aliasing and other shiny eye-candy off by default.
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The more of these dime companies release crap boxes, the more Linux will be thought of as a crap OS, the kind of thing your redneck friends buy at Wal-Mart because they can't afford a real PC from Dell or Gateway with the "good" OS.
Sounds crappy, but that's where I see this going. Keep it up.
Last time I looked at Walmart's site at the Lindows PCs I noticed they had inexpensive computers preloaded with SuSE 8.2. I don't know if the sales are competitive with Lindows, but its good to hear that another Linux desktop option is out there.
Obviously you haven't been there. It's suburban hell with blonde soccer moms in SUVs.
This sounds really sweet for a low-end computer user. I know a couple of people I'm going to recommend this to. They will probably blow away the OS and use Windows on it, though.
Mmmm.. Donuts
Hell, the OS alone will cost more than the hardware required to run it soon, at this rate. That's certainly the case with the Windows Server versions (although frankly if you spend more on licensing than hardware, you're going to be unhappy...).
http://www.linare.com/linos.htm
Is it just me, or did someone in Marketing get mixed up?
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Do I buy a $3000 G5, or a dozen 2Ghz Athlons loaded with ClusterKnoppix?
These types of systems will be great for many people who are trying to get invlolved in the Linux community who are either a) afraid of attempting an install (afraid of losing any other OS's on the system) or b) just want a second system to play around with Linux on Also, even if you ARE going to use M$ why not just spend the $250 and install a pirated copy of win2k?! The same system with winXP installed would probably cost you a few hundred dollars more!!!
I'll be interested to see what this segment of the market looks like in a couple of years.
I picked up one of the cheep $200 Lindows PCs mentioned in an article here last monday to play with. When it arrived on Friday the modem card wasn't installed correctly (it was screwed into the case but not actually in the PCI slot) and the HD was dead. I'm waiting on a replacement HD. (I'm still hoping it will make an ok toy.)
Based on the photocopied sheets in the box I assume the DOA percentage of these machines is pretty high. I would hope that increased competition would have a positive effect on this, but at these low margins I won't bet on it.
The thing I really wonder about is whether anyone will still be selling Linux PCs at $199 in two years or if they will move slightly higher to be able to afford some form of quality control.
why not check the CVS repository at microsoft.com?
I have a suspician based on the successful sale of these low-cost, Linux based PCs. The PC market has been stable for a few years now, since the failure to drop prices below $500-700 means that a large segment of the population effectively can't own new home PCs. With $200 PCs available that are relatively useful, the market is expanding downwards to include a new class of computer users: the working poor.
What this means, I think, is that we're starting a new generation on cheap PCs that will be more maintenance heavy than Dells and Apples. This will have the same effect that cars have had over the last forty years: since new cars are so expensive, and the only option for the poor to own one is to get a used one or an extremely cheap one. There's a pool of talent/skill that gets built in the lower classes around practical maintenance.
In other words, the same way that my brother's Lexus is worked on by someone with a high school education who tinkered a lot with cars, the sysadmins of tomorrow will generally come from blue collar backgrounds, while the white collar users will move further out of the ability to generally maintain computers. In a business, the IT department will become less educated overall, while having a much stronger base of practical skills.
I'm already seeing this at my workplace, a manufacturer of household commodities. Lots of the factory workers ask if they can buy/have old PCs that we're getting rid of; several have built their own from old pieces they scrounged. We have a developing pool of computer knowledge that comes from nothing but the tinkering of people who can't afford to do otherwise.
While I dislike the possibility of computer expertise segmenting along economic lines (for social reasons), I do see some benefits: clearer cut job descriptions and areas of expertise, and increased adoption of open source software simply because of the price. To get to that $200 price point, you need Linux (or BSD...)
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Running X with only 128MB of RAM isn't the problem. I have machines that have run linux & X for years with much less memory than that. X isn't the problem. It's most likely KDE. I had it on a PII-450 w/ 128M and KDE was very slow. It was like being on a 486 again. Firing up Mozilla on a P-166 w/64M of ram was more responsive.
Unfortunately, the default environment for these machines is KDE. I'm not sure if the 1GHz Via chip & the rest of the system can compensate for the lack of memory and still provide a responsive machine.
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Seriously, the hardware seems OK - the salesman said that they had sold a lot of this model (totally made in China, with a Chineese Linux that immediately got replaced with a fresh SuSE install) - and no returns so far.
Anyway, I love cheap commodity hardware! That said, I wouldn't mind a dual G5 system.
-Mark
I'm in the UK. Computer components cost more here, yet I could build a perfectly fine PC for under $200. I actually keep tabs on how much it'd cost me to get a basic rig up and running for, incase my machine explodes, whatever, and I need something to tide me over.
You can build a regular Duron 1.3Ghz box including case, keyboard, mouse, 30GB HD, 128MB RAM, and using onboard video, sound and LAN for about £140 including the 17.5% sales tax.
Generally US retailers bizarrely don't include the tax (even though you're gunna pay it anyway), so deduct 17.5% from my figure, that's £119.15.. which is just over $190.
These guys are in the US, and they're trade.. so they're getting their parts at well below $200, and probably have a margin of 50%, excluding labor, which, admittedly, could be the deal breaker in the bloated US salary market.
Greatest PC ever: not a chance. But really good for $450, and I think meeting your specs of "decent" quality.
Why would that possibly be better? People using Linux, especially those using it on a $199 computer, don't generally need the latest-greatest in video support. There may be exceptions, of course, but these systems aren't catering to the hardcore gamers, CAD designers, etc.. On-board video should be more than adequate in most cases.
This is the box to be bought on newspaper route delivery money. Back in the day I was able to buy and solder together a 'computer' and then add the options like address display LEDs. I cannot even remember the name of the company that pushed these out via small adds in the back of magazines but I learned the basics and it was the total package available from one company. This is a great idea and with just a few kids getting this machine for and on their own we will get the next generation off to a good solid start in the basics. Two 1802's up.
This is an interesting insight, and it's sad to think of things being drawn along economic lines like this.
However, on the brighter side, there's another group of pessimists that have believed we'd have a technocracy, where techies rule the world (scary thought with plenty of jokes), and the non-technical ignorant masses left to collect minimum wage by flipping burgers. I've always considered this view to be too extreme. There are many fields that have technical aspects to them. Ever listen to the gibberish that car mechanics spout? They may not be nerds, and may not have college degrees, but I'd argue that they're extremely technical. Those same skills - especially troubleshooting and understanding how little details make a bigger thing work - are the exact skills that everyone needs, from programmers to network administrators.
I know a car mechanic who's picked up on the computer stuff to the point that he asks questions about trade-offs and disadvantages of PPPOE, DHCP and static IP addressing, and understands the difference between bandwidth and latency. I know many IT professionals that don't have that kind of knowledge. Of course, I know many IT professionals that became so because it was the cool career field, not because of an interest in computers.
In that sense, I think it's a very positive thing: the world now knows you don't need to be a wiry, pasty-faced, greasy dork to be good with computers. The thing that might be scary to those of us (you know who you are) who really just want to hide out in a glass room until we vest in our 401(k), this could be scary, and certainly should be taken as a wake-up call. Most of what we do with computers in the business world is inherently practical. We can draw all the cute diagrams and use the latest buzz words, but the core value we add is primarily through practical construction of some simple, maintainable systems. Fancy Visio diagrams don't change that.
As another aside, a couple years ago I was amazed to overhear conversation between two gentlemen behind me in line at Best Buy. They were the standard fare burly rednecks, with unkempt beards, in camoflage coveralls, but what they were discussing was rather different from the stereotype. With missing teeth and bad grammar, one was educating the other on why he should upgrade his video card, discussing details about how the amount of RAM as well as the RAMDAC spped and features such as T&L affect frame rate. And the other redneck dude gave all impressions of understanding the conversation.
In conclusion: the world is changing, computers aren't only in the hands of the "have"s, and in my opinion this isn't a completely horrible thing.
Thanks for listening. ;-)
Most people I know got a computer sometime within the past 5 or 6 years, and they still have it. It costed them plenty 0 bux, it still does what they want it to do. I know quite a few people still running win95, let alone 98, it's patched, updated whatever, they live with any other inefficiencies, because it still surfs, does email, plays audio whatever and that's it. Most folks don't build their own or run out every 6 months to a year and buy a new computer, not when the old one is working and they got tons of other bills. Lot of folks are feeling that pinch now, a new computer falls into the unnecessary toy category whern they already have one they paid 1500$ for or something and it ain't broke. That's one of the reasons for flat sales. I'd like a new one,but not even gonna pay 200$ for one though, What I have works just fine and it's 6 years old now. If I had a need, for a tool, of course, but I don't do photoshop editing or anything like that, this old box still does what it needs to do, and with modern OS like linux on it, it will probably keep doing what it needs to do for awhile. I ain't askeered of it or being "left behind", and I still only got half the ram loaded that it will take, so if I *need* an upgrade, I'm one stick away-cheap in other words.. I figure I can hold out with this one for another one to two years, by then, 100$ will get ya something spiffy(er). I've had computers since the late 80s, not like I haven't spent some cash on them, just a plateau of sorts was reached a few years ago with computers in general terms, the *need* is falling now for the latest and greatest or even the cheapest. It's like some other toys, I've been through a few cell phones, I still don't know, care or use 3/4ths of the stuff the phone is capable of, and don't seem to miss it. I don't own a PDA yet, don't seem to miss it. When they get to under 100$, or even down to 50$, I might buy one, but not today and not for 500$. I like gadgets and tools, just have a different set of priorities, like right now I need a new chainsaw more than a new computer, I'd rather drop 2 to 500 clams on one of them-if I had the "spare" cash, heh. I'd rather get a new bumper winch for the jeep rather than the newest PDA. I'd rather get a half dozen more solar panels than a new "game" machine. Shoot, I'd rather pop for a couple of gold eagles before I popped for a 6-700$ new pretty specced decent whitebox. Different strokes. A lot of people are that way, I don't think it's all that unusual either. I guess people with really a lot of cash like to always upgrade every year or every other year, but nowadays there isn't that much more oomph - need to justiofy it unless it's top to your main hobby or it's required for your business, then it's swell, seems like some good deals out there. Like the new G5, heck ya I'd like to order one, ain't happening though. When you do physical labor for a living, you think of what stuff costs in terms of pain and sweat and bill paying priorities, 3 grand is a chunk o change, and a lot of sweat. 200$ for a very basic semi new machine is more like it though, I'm glad to see more reasonableness and wider choices in the market. Now if it gets to laptops that cheap....THEN you're talking, you'll get my attention then. I'll find the scratch qucikly.
I guess it's funny, there's such a widely diverse market, and it's happened so quickly. Nearest I can recall is how fast portable "transistor" radios caught on, one year, nada, next year a few, at 50 to 100$, which was serious money then, within a few more years, everyone had one, cheap as all get out. What are they now, a dollar a piece in small quantity wholesale lots? computers now are the same deal, so many out there that work well and only run 50$ used, I think that's where a lot of the sales are going. Or people get them given to them. I have a stack of older pentiums I fool with, I bought a whole pallet of them for really cheap, with a ton of other doo dads thrown in, like another stack of ibm clickers, heh. PCs are cheap now, that's why the flat new sales, there's no absolute "need" for millions of people anymore.
Hmm, I have YET to make a "cluster" hmmmm.....
But what if, for $200, you get a computer that you can take out of the box, plug in and start surfing the Web within a couple of minutes? In short, what if the computer works as advertised and gets you doing what you want without any fuss?
I'd imagine that if Joe Public wanted a machine that could send email, and if that's what he got for his $200, he'd be happy enough. By and large, the operating system would be transparent and irrelevant to what he was doing.
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
Isn't it misleading to say it's a "$200 silent PC" when their models at that price don't appear to include an AC adapter an HD or any other mass storage device?
- AlanH
I'm currently working on trying to get RedHat 9 running on a P200 with 64MB of RAM. I'm going to replace KDE/Gnome with IceWM and the IceBlueCurve theme. I'm also swapping Mozilla out for Firebird (it is *much* faster).
I think that should be enough to be usable, although I don't know yet what I'm going to do about a file manager or OpenOffice.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
Yeah, extra silent
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
http://www.linare.com/alliance.htm
is a word-for-word ripoff of:
http://www.suse.de/en/partner/become_partner/
However, don't count out the value of getting more "desktops" out there in the hands of ordinary users! Every system sold (assuning these boxes are reasonably well built, and configured with software that works well together so the whole thing doesn't just backfire) is another new Linux user. Every new Linux user is another step towards the kind of market share that will get the attention of real, honest, money making businesses. And, if you get their attention, they are going to start looking for Linux developers to build things for these boxes.
It might not be money in my pocket now, but it's more likely I'll have a fun job developing real stuff for Linux and OSS in the future...
Your Servant, B. Baggins
http://www.linare.com/consulting.htm
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Excerpt:
"Linare is the worldâ(TM)s premier technology system integrator for Linux solutions in the enterprise."
I wish them all the luck in the world though
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
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The thing that irks me the most about discussing such technical topics around the technically literate is that they don't see the one factor that makes the product. Usability.
;)), but because of their ingenious in integrating it into their business model. They want to give you a computer that gets things done for less than $300. If that's not a truly samaritan business model, I don't know what is. All I know is that business models like this succeed when there's actually a message behind it.
;)
;)
I personally could give a shit less about 128 megs of ram here, 500 Mhz here, 5 FPS there. The one thing I care about is getting things done. If a computer is capable of doing such, then it is good. Anything actually capable of getting things done is worth the price in my mind. If that price is $200, then hell yeah!.
Notice that this is coming from a teenager who counts fps and mhz, relevates it to the available RAM, etc. I still could give a shit less, as long as it gets it done in a timely (meaning not taking half your day, not compiling a kernel in 1.4 seconds) manner.
I'm willing to bet an extreme amount of money that these things get the job done, and get it done in a timely fashion. For the average Joe-Sixpack, what more do you need? In all honesty, nothing much.
We finally (yes, at 17 I said finally) live in an age where function is over fashion. This age is maturing into something a little bit more than that, where efficiency is actually a variable in the thinking of the average customer. Computers like this (which I'm willing to bet get things done timely) are actually a wanted commodity now.
I expect this company to flourish, not only because of their mission statement (you get the jist of it after awhile
Think HP, when they were desperately looking for investors. Think IBM, before they got their IPO. Think Sid Meier before CivII; think even of BMW and VW before WWII. These people have the right idea in mind. Make a usable computer available to the public for the same cost as a (gasp!) video game system.
I don't know about most business analysts out there, but this company hit the market where most of the future market comes from, the teens. They relevated the cost of a good working (and unique! Teens love unique) computer for the same cost of a Playstation 2 or an X-Box.
With all do honesty, probabbly around %80 (from personal experience anyway, don't take this data to heart) of all teens recognize the importance of Internet access and a working computer. I'm willing to bet that almost all of these teens would rather take the computer
Meaning what? That this company has finally done something that only Microsoft (with it's multi-billion marketing dept.) has managed to do once in their almost 30 year history of existance. It hit on a rather large demographic, the American teen.
Expect this company to be around for awhile, people, I do
Of all the Universal Constants, here's one I know: Nice guys finish last
>Yeah, but have you ever called the tech support line for a company who does this? I don't know about you, but I can hardly understand what the techie is saying. I mean no offense to the Indian readers of Slashdot, but some of the accents I just can not understand. I think there are a lot of people [in the US] who are the same way.
There are also many people outside of the US, not native English speakers, who have the same problem when calling a support person in or from the US.
Some of the accents are just very difficult to understand!
Right on! my old pc runs win98, linux and bsd just fine. I spend my cash on things like seeking large Rainbow Trout, with a traveler sedge, or choronamid.
Much more rewarding than buying a p4 to find that windows xp sucks and doesn't flyfish worth a damn.
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!