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Public Domain Act Introduced Into Congress

AnElder writes "In his blog yesterday Lawrence Lessig said '...Congresswoman Lofgren (D-CA) and Congressman Doolittle (R-CA) have agreed to introduce the Public Domain Enhancement Act into Congress.' Today the Eldred Act website features two press releases announcing the act's introduction, as well as its immediate support by '...the American Association of Law Libraries, the American Library Association, and the Association of Research Libraries...'" We ran a link to the petition supporting this Act a few weeks back.

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  1. Re:One problem I have with it. by GenSolo · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the page about the act (see old /. article... RTFA?), it can only be renewed every 5 years until the end of the copyright term. Therefore, when the term would normally have expired, it would expire. People just have to pay extra for it this way.

  2. Re:One problem I have with it. by loucura! · · Score: 5, Informative

    They aren't renewing the copyright, because Copyright in the US is Creator's life + 70 years, or in the case of Corporations 80 years, or something like that. This is merely a provision which allows a work to fall into the public domain after 50 years from the copyright date, unless the work is commercially viable, in which case, the copyright holder pays a small fee to keep the rights until the copyright term is completed.

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  3. Time to try my hand... by cliffiecee · · Score: 4, Funny

    At really obvious Karma Whoring.

    Link to the proposed bill is here.

    (Not to be nasty or anything, but if you'd have clicked the link in the slashdot announcement you would have found this link immediately.)

  4. Re:One problem I have with it. by crashnbur · · Score: 3, Informative

    Following the links from the posted article, I found the text of the law in PDF format. The THOMAS Congress web site does not yet have the bill online.

  5. billing starts at 50 years? by JVert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't 50 years kind of a long time to wait before even *considering* the copyright null? Sounds like a lot of work to shave off the last 20-30 years of a copyright.

    1. Re:billing starts at 50 years? by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah I think it would be better if it were sometime around 20 years (maybe that magical 14 that people always talk about) and starting with a long time before needing to pay the fee (10-12 years), and as time goes on, the gap between fees shrinks. Might I even call it ... progressive? =)

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    2. Re:billing starts at 50 years? by Peer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The obvious complaint is that a copyright owner shouldn't have to keep track of their IP at the risk of losing it.

      Why is that? If it's making you money you're obviously keeping track of it already.

      Two, 50 years from when? Creation? Publication? Technically, when I create a work it automatically is copyrighted but what if I publish some of the poems I wrote in high school 20 years ago? Do I pay my $1 in 2053 or 2033? What if I pay in 2053 and someone says I should have paid in 2033? Now I have to go to court to retain my copyright?

      It's about 'published works' only (as can be read in the FAQ).

      Three, it's going to get the flack that it makes us different from international/europoean standards.

      Well that didn't stop you before. And the proposal is in compliance with international copyright laws (again the FAQ is helpfull).

  6. Re:Ugh by smitty45 · · Score: 2, Informative

    you're not understanding it then. Basically, this law would be used to require some action on the part of the copyright holder to renew it.

    this law is not in favor of extending the copyright term past 75 years...if anything, it is in favor of reducing it.

  7. Re:Ugh by jonman_d · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please RTFA.

    From The Eric Eldred Act FAQ:

    2. How would it work?

    Fifty years after a copyrighted work was published, a copyright owner would have to pay a tiny tax. That tax could be as low as $1. If the copyright owner does not pay that tax for three years in a row, then the copyright would be forfeited to the public domain. If the tax is paid, then the form would require the listing of a copyright agent--a person charged with receiving requests about that copyright. The Copyright Office would then make the listing of taxes paid, and copyright agents, available free of charge on their website.

    They're not expanding the term of copyright. They're shortening it, in most cases, and making you pay a small fee to hold it for more than 50 years, in all others.

  8. I cant be the only one that thought of this by lobsterGun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Public Domain Enhancement Act

    PDEA.

    Does that make people who like this bill pdeaophiles?

    1. Re:I cant be the only one that thought of this by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No no, you're confusing them with the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes again.

  9. Berne Treaty? by loucura! · · Score: 4, Informative

    They say in the FAQ that this doesn't violate the Berne Treaty, because it isn't formally a "formality" nor a "registration", but you have to file a registration document and pay a fee to the US Copyright Register, which appears at least to this (NAL), that it is a formality and a register and in violation of the Berne Treaty.

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    1. Re:Berne Treaty? by imadork · · Score: 4, Informative
      they also say this in the same FAQ:
      It is possible that those charged with enforcing Berne would take a different view. They might see this tax as a simple way around the "formality" requirement. But as John Mark Ockerbloom nicely points out, Berne only imposes its requirements for the minimum term. If there is a formality problem with structuring this as a tax, then the proposal could be structured to apply only beyond Berne's minimum term.
      Which is exactly what they do in the bill by saying that you have no requirement to register until after 50 years, which is the minimum Berne term.
    2. Re:Berne Treaty? by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason that it doesn't infringe on the treaty is that you're not registering or paying for the copyright, its that you're registering and paying for the extension of the copyright. Essentially this makes copyright "50 years 6 months, extended by 10 years every 10 years thereafter, until whatever Bono's great great granddaughter sets as the maximum.

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    3. Re:Berne Treaty? by WarmBoota · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Screw the Berne Treaty

      If Bush can decide that he wants to pull out of treaties designed to keep the peace, I have no problem pulling out of treaties designed by corporations to keep the profits.

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  10. We need a few congressmen in our pocket by caitsith01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Given that the record and film industry appears to have invested heavily in buying some congressmen, perhaps its time for the open source/public domain movements to do the same. All the good will in the world wont lead to actual passing of legislation when Time Warner/Sony/EMI/Bertlemann/Conglomokorp actually owns people on Capitol hill... we have a petition, but they have votes in Congress.

    I don't see why the EFF and similar groups can't 'invest' in a few reelection campaigns. The business model is established by numerous corporations and special interest groups - all it would take are funds. In fact the same applies to all progressive social and political groups... how come the bad guys are smart enough to heavily influence politics with their money but the good guys aren't?

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    1. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by retto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how come the bad guys are smart enough to heavily influence politics with their money but the good guys aren't?

      Because people keep giving the 'bad' guys money. Have you bought a CD/DVD, gone to see a movie, or bought a book? You've just given money to the 'bad' guys. If you want the EFF to buy off a congressman, send them a $20 check instead of buying a CD. I don't have the figures, but I feel pretty confident that the EFF didn't bring in as much as AOL/TW last year.

    2. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by sn00ker · · Score: 4, Interesting
      how come the bad guys are smart enough to heavily influence politics with their money but the good guys aren't?
      It's not about smart, it's about money.
      The "good guys" generally don't have the money to take on the "bad guys". The "bad guys" are "bad" because they have money - LOTS of money. The "good guys" are "good", generally, because they don't.

      Case in point, IBM vs SCO. There've been a number of (admittedly piss-taking) posts on here from people who say "Who do I support? IBM's mega-rich, but SCO're a bunch of fucktards."

      Until the "good guys" have the financial wherewithal to take on the "bad guys", corrupt governments will be more easily influenced by the corporations - The exact groups that should have precisely zero say in anything to do with how a country is run.

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    3. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, I know that and you know that, but do you actually think the people who make the laws in the US of A give a damn?

      What exactly is your plan, to stand around and talk about our principles while the megacompanies gradually buy control of congress?

      Obviously the best solutions would involve massive reforms of campaign finance and elimination of all connections between business interests and politicians/political parties... but this seems to be hell and as of now it is not freezing over, so I guess it'll be a while yet before that happens.

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    4. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by Soko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WTF? "Insightful?" "Interesting?" Well, I think I'd mod this up too - to hold it up for ridicule.

      Read your .sig - "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

      Your post suggests trading $ for votes. "My vote won't count, but my $ will!"? Isn't that essentially giving up the most needed of democratic liberties? OK, so corporate America seems to run the show and seems to be able to buy votes - following through with your suggestion would only show that they've won and Congress is a place to buy profits. Unless you have a lot more $ than the opposition, your vote still doesn't matter. Fighting fire with fire sometimes leaves nothing but scorched earth.

      Listen to Sen. John McCain when he speaks of the need to rid elections of "soft money" - that is the crux of the problem. It will take a lot of time and energy to have the coprorate shills either turfed from office or earn thier election donations, but it can be done without stooping to the level of bribery. Use your rights fercryingoutloud - Freedom of Speech jumps into my head.

      Sheesh.

      Soko

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    5. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by sn00ker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The one benefit political groups have going for them is the ratio. If you buy a $20 CD, less than $1 is probably going towards the RIAA's legal efforts, probably a _lot_ less than $1. On the other hand, if you give $20 to the EFF a much larger portion of that money is going towards legal/political effots.
      Sure, but how many CDs are sold each year? Hundreds of millions, no? Let's say that 200 million CDs get sold, and 10c from each CD goes to RIAA's "defence" fund. 200,000,000x$0.10=$20,000,000. That's a million people donating $20 to the EFF.
      These numbers are totally pulled out of my arse, and I'm sure that the CD sales figures are out by a couple of multiples of 10, but they're a fair demonstration of the kind of money we're fighting against - Remember, it's not just RIAA but also MPAA.

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    6. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes, but you'd only have to donate $20 to the EFF for every 20 CDs you bought to keep the EFF even or ahead. $20 to the EFF for every $400 in CDs you buy? Doesn't sound too bad, does it? (Or going with your 10 cents figure, $20 to the EFF for every $4000 in CDs you buy)

      Unfortunatly most people just don't give a fuck, and _that_ is the problem.

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    7. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by sn00ker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      but ususally when I see how much a congressman has been paid by a business, it's a fairly small amount, like $20K, and I think, is that all it takes?
      That's $20K times a lot of polly tubbies, though.
      Sure, $20K isn't much, but xxAA don't just buy one pet polly they buy dozens of them. Suddenly you're talking six or seven figures to even equal their investment - And you will always need to have one more pet polly than they do to be sure of success. Suddenly it's down to a war of attrition and the side with the deepest pockets (Hint: It's not the non-profits) has an enormous advantage.

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    8. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All right, all right, settle down.

      (1) Don't preach to me about John McCain. If McCain had won the primary over GWB then the world would be a lot better place today and America's popularity wouldn't be at an all-time low worldwide. Furthermore I totally agree with him on campaign finance, as I have said in other posts in this thread. Unfortunately it will not happen while the Republicans are ruled by an evangelical/neocon cabal of realpolitik nazis (no trolling intended).

      (2) "Isn't that giving up the most needed of democratic liberties?" How can you give up something you don't have? What good is a vote when Dubbya can raise $20 million at a fundraising dinner and use it to fund pictures of himself landing on aircraft carriers being shown during the capaign and thereby getting thousands of dimwits to vote for him?

      The whole point I was trying to make was: we are already totally marginalised. The congress doesn't give a damn about what the people want in a genuine sense; they only care in the sense that they must manipulate perceptions sufficiently to get reelected. Therefore it is only logical that if we want to exert influence over the political process we must use other avenues to do so.

      (3) I don't "suggest trading $ for votes" in the sense you suggest; I suggest trading $ for votes on capital hill, because right now you or I can't trade votes on election day for votes on capital hill with any degree of certainty.

      (4) "Fighting fire with fire sometimes leaves nothing but scorched earth." You can use metaphors to demonstrate pretty much anything. "Sometimes the shortest path is through the mud."

      (5) Thanks, I read my sig before I chose it.

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    9. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by retto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You also have to remember it may not be the 'RIAA' that gives that $20K. Sony could give $20K, AOLTW $15K, Disney $20k, etc... And they can also give money in other ways, such as foundations or organizations that the politican could be part of. Think about how much trouble Clinton got into over large donations to his library.

    10. Re:We need a few congressmen in our pocket by nexex · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There already is. As I remember, it was created with visions of grandeur and greeted by great fanfare. To be immediatly followed by a prompt dose of reality, which brings us where we are today.

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  11. Disney Inference by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    Supreme Court Justice Breyer found that only about 2% of copyrights between 55 and 75 years old retain commercial value.

    So now we know conclusively that Disney owns 2% of the copyrights between 55 and 75 years old.

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    1. Re:Disney Inference by flug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Supreme Court Justice Breyer found that only about 2% of copyrights between 55 and 75 years old retain commercial value. Between 55 and 75 years ago, nothing was copyrighted unless the author made a specific effort to register it with the Copyright Office. Nowadays, anything you create (write, sing, paint, etc. etc. etc.) is afforded copyright protection from the instant you fix it in a tangible medium (write it, record it, paint it, etc.). [1] The point is--between 55 and 75 years FROM NOW, it isn't going to be 2% of copyrights that will still have any value. It will be more like 0.00000002%. Every letter, every web page, every email, every little bit software you hacked together in an evening, every digital snapshot, every tape you make for your girlfriend . . . all copyrighted and locked away, unable to be used by anyone for 50 years after your death. Naturally there will be a lot of useless junk in there. But on the other hand, there will be our entire cultural heritage--the entire record we leave behind--all under copyright protection for no good reason.

  12. It's about 50 years in the past, not the future by Googol · · Score: 4, Informative

    The idea is to end the regime of "perpetual copyright" by ensuring at least some works, which should by rights already be in the PD, get there. Right now, none do.

    This is about 50 years in the past, not 50 years in the future.

    =googol=

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    Theft by value: I take something that is yours.
    Theft by reference: you think of something; I think of the same thing.

  13. Re:Ugh by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree with you (wholeheartedly, I might add), the extensions aren't really to protect the original work - they're there to protect against derivations.

    So this means you can't use Mickey Mouse because he's still under copyright. If Steam-Boat Willie falls into the public domain, then it's possible that you'll be able to make a derivative work using the character of Mickey Mouse and Disney can't stop you.

    IANAL, but this seems to be the reasoning behind it.

    It's not for the authors protection - he's dead by now, remember ? It's for the protection of the Big Business that owns his estate. And we know America loves Big Business !

  14. By the time Congress is through with it... by twifkak · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll be "Copyright will last for 5 months. After that expires, the author must pay $50,000 to renew it, for another 150 years, or eternally, whichever's longer."

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    1. Re:By the time Congress is through with it... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forgot about the riders attatched to raise their own salaries.

  15. Re:Ugh by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly... as was said in the previous /. post, this is so that large companies don't just hold onto copyrights that they have no intention of doing anything with (publishing) "just in case". This will help open up that vast back catalog of great, but non-comercially-viable music/books/etc. that many major companies have lying around,

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  16. Commercially Viable by yintercept · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key to the ammendment is the word "commercially viable." The works that people want to get their hands on, of course, are the commercially viable ones. Most of the rest is white noise.

    There are a few cases where party x knows how to make a work of party y commercially viable again. The problem is that party y will cry foul when party x performs his magic.

    This is a good step forward.

    1. Re:Commercially Viable by loucura! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Party Y won't be able to cry foul if they've let the work lapse into the public domain. It won't matter anyway, they had their fifty-years, weren't able to make it continually commercially-viable, and so it lapsed, if they had been able to, or merely wanted to make sure they had sole control, they could have paid the $1.00(US) every ten years after then 50th year from first publication. That averages out to 90 dollars over the course of the copyright's "Lifetime", it's pocket change in the long run.

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  17. Re:One problem I have with it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is there a number of times that they can renew it, or could a company in theory renew a copy right on into eternity?

    They can't renew it past the normal expiry date, so this won't make copyrights last any longer than they do now. But this isn't meant to stop or shorten corporate copyrights - the intent is to make copyright holders show some interest in keeping their copyrights, and to ensure that the copyright office knows who owns the rights (they can be inherited, reassigned through contracts, etc.).

  18. coincidence? by akaina · · Score: 2, Funny

    " We ran a link to the petition supporting this Act a few weeks back. "

    A few weeks later it gets officially put on the table. Coincidence? I think not.

    WAY TO GO /.'ers!!!!!!!!!!!

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  19. Doolittle a valuable ally by watchful.babbler · · Score: 5, Interesting
    John Doolittle's a major player on the Hill -- one of the uncompromisingly conservative young turks in the mid-nineties, he's forged a close relationship with Tom DeLay and attends the weekly House leadership meetings as secretary.

    An uncompromising conservative who has forged a reputation as a reliable ally and savvy lawmaker, he's got a wide net of influence that makes him considerably more powerful than he would seem at first. If anyone can get this thing on the agenda, it's him; his relationship with DeLay and Hastert will ensure that.

    With the conservative flank well-protected, it's the Democrats -- who, let's tell a hawk from a handsaw here, have often been craven in their defense of entertainment campaign dollars -- that need to be courted.

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    1. Re:Doolittle a valuable ally by SphynxSR · · Score: 2, Funny

      I understand Disney is suing him because of his last name. They also stopped him from becoming a doctor, a vet.

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  20. Re:One problem I have with it. by loucura! · · Score: 4, Informative

    Copyright is currently Life of Creator + 70 years. This amends current copyright law, such that the copyright can fall into the public domain after 50 years have passed since first publication (or 2004 whichever is later). This greatly benefits us because it enriches public domain.

    Therefore, your assertion that this law does nothing, is incorrect.

    (I was going to say something about your (apparent)inability to read, but I decided against it because I'm a nice person.)

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  21. Will it get through?? by Goonie · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This seems like a good idea. Not the revolution that we'd all like, but still a good idea.

    However, all the good intentions in the world don't matter if the bill doesn't get up eventually. Does this bill have any chance of getting through the two houses of Congress?

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    1. Re:Will it get through?? by GlassHeart · · Score: 4, Informative
      Does this bill have any chance of getting through the two houses of Congress?

      There are three important factors here:

      • Disney doesn't really care if it passes. They can easily afford the registration fee and procedure to protect their copyrighted works.
      • Disney would look really stupid if it opposed even this bill. At the time of the Sonny Bono Act, Disney was "protecting its investment" from lapsing into the public domain, so the question was "how long should copyright really be?" Today, the question is "should copyright last over fifty years with no obligation from the creator to even register?"
      • Disney can use the works that do lapse into the public domain in its own products, without having to pay royalties.
      If Disney realizes the opportunity to create some good PR for itself (for little or no cost!), then maybe it'll have a chance.
    2. Re:Will it get through?? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. I'd like to add however, that Disney and other media companies consider the public domain to be their competition.

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  22. Min. copyright term is 50 years (Berne Convention) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The U.S. can't nullify a copyright before 50 years without violating the Berne Convention, which requires at least 50 years of copyright protection without registration.

  23. What about IP inheritence trees? by DdJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine: Disney pays the fee for "Steamboat Willie", but not for any other Mickey Mouse cartoons -- and then argues that all other Mickey Mouse cartoons are derivative works of "Steamboat Willie", and are naturally covered by the copyright on that work.

    Is there a reason that can't happen?

    1. Re:What about IP inheritence trees? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Informative

      In which case they'd lose the copyrights on those later works -- which could then be reprinted in part or in full by anyone. And they'd lose the rights to control derivative works based upon those works' uncopyrighted portions.

      There are, in fact, some MM comic strips already in the public domain because they were not renewed by Disney ages ago. Hasn't had a big impact.

      Besides -- Disney would probably be willing to pay a few extra dollars to be safe. The investment isn't very big, after all. (but really should be; hell, I don't like this proposal at all, since it's so wimpy)

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    2. Re:What about IP inheritence trees? by The+Spie · · Score: 3, Informative
      Imagine: Disney pays the fee for "Steamboat Willie", but not for any other Mickey Mouse cartoons -- and then argues that all other Mickey Mouse cartoons are derivative works of "Steamboat Willie", and are naturally covered by the copyright on that work.

      Then they're really fucked, because there were two Mickey Mouse cartoons made before "Steamboat Willie", and since those would be public domain, then there would be prior art issues. Or prior cel issues, as the case may be.

      I am really sick and tired of people thinking that "Steamboat Willie" was Mickey's debut cartoon. No, it was his first sound cartoon (and it wasn't the first cartoon with sound either, in case you were wondering). You'd think that with all the people on /. bitching and moaning about the intricacies about what SCO might actually own and about what the real benchmarks are on the G5s, someone might do a little elementary research on something that is infinitely more important, like this.

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  24. I, Sen Strom Thurmond am very much against by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    any policy that advocates pubic domination!

    What?

    Oh.

    Well I'm against public domain too!

  25. Choice quote from Lessig's page: by lysium · · Score: 2, Interesting
    âoeWhat you donâ(TM)t understand, Lessig, is that your bullshit âopenâ(TM) or âfreeâ(TM) types will never â" NEVER â" be able to compete with corporate organization. Squabbles-about-egos-pretending-to-be-about-the-me rits can never be quashed. There is no one to say âenough, letâ(TM)s move on.â(TM) So every great idea that your type creates, weâ(TM)ll just wait, watch, and then take. Always.â -- paraphrased from a conversation with someone from within one of the (how many are there?) largest proprietary code companies
    -snip-

    Microsoft? Oracle? Doesn't matter, really. Hell, even game developers are beginning to exploit game communities and user modifications as features to market the game -- before said things exist. I fear a burnout at some point down the road...

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  26. Re:What about home security cameras? by EvanED · · Score: 3, Informative

    The 50 years is necessary so as to not run afoul of the Berne Convention. This requires that copyrights miust last 50 years without any registration.

  27. Another Problem is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another problems is that public domain media will ultimatly compete with copyrighted media.

    So by not renewing their copyrights they will be creating a competitor to their commercially viable products.

    So for them it is then worth it to pay the buck or 5 bucks to renew it.

    You have to remember it's not just if the copyright will make them money, but if the public domain stuff will cost them customers. Since ultimatly it would, they will of course always renew.

    Right now I can't just download a old movie from the 30s from the net to watch when I'm bored so instead I go rent some recent release from the store for 3 bucks. If they let the copyright go on the 1930s movies suddenly there would be competitor to what they are selling. That's not in their interest. They will renew the copyright. When they start selling movies on the net do you think they want me watching All Quiet on the Western Front and Alexander Nevsky for free as public domain when instead I would be forced to rent some more recent schlock movie?

    So in the end the total amount of media freed by this will be miniscule.

    1. Re:Another Problem is this by drdale · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, right, studios are going to be real concerned that people would rather watch a black and white movie from the 30s for free rather than pay $3 for a new popular movie. That is why the the video chains and theaters have already lost huge sums of movie to movieflix, which lets you watch a few old movies for free via streaming video. I think the real point of the legislation is to free up material whose copyrights are held by private individuals who may not even know that they hold them. It saves people who want to use the material the expense of hiring a PI to try and figure out just who the heck the copyright belongs to.

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    2. Re:Another Problem is this by dbrutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They might, they might not. That's the funny thing about copyright renewal. You don't know who has the current rights to it and what their attitude will be. I'm sure that there are plenty of copyrighted works that are the property of corporations who have no interest in them but acquired them unknowingly or are in a completely different business line.

      It's probably pretty safe to say that Mickey Mouse will have his copyrights renewed but what about some bankrupt comic book house whose assets were bought at auction on the value of the scrap metal the presses would get? Does the junk man really care that he also owns the rights to the character Sergeant Snoot? He may not even be consciously aware of it.

      As long as non-copyright holders can't pay the fee for the copyright holder, I think it's a real advance.

    3. Re:Another Problem is this by drdale · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, Movieflix lets you watch the old movies for free. It is just the soft-core pr0n you have to pay for. Second, I'm willing to grant you that there might be some great movies from that period. That isn't the point. The point is that such a small number of people have an interest in those movies that there wouldn't be any competition. (Phillistines!) Third, there are a lot of films from that period that would basically have no audience, even if there are some gems. Yet having these films in the public domain would be a great boon to film scholars. Fourth, we aren't just talking about films, but all manner of works. And what makes tracking the copyright holders down hard is that people die, and so you have to figure out who inherited the copyright. Fifth, Lessig estimates that this would put over 90% of material from 1923--532 in the public domain. But I guess you shouldn't argue with an anonymous coward; people might not be able to tell the difference.

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  28. Ever notice the bipartisanship? by kaltkalt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ever notice how, when an IP law (smart or stupid) is introduced in Congress, it's nearly always by 1 Democrat and 1 Republican? It's not due to the wonderfully happy beautiful spirit of bipartisanship that's permeating the air of Washington. Naw I'm more cynical than that.

    Here's why. The RIAA, MPAA, etc. make sure they toss around large amounts of money to both parties (as all good interest groups should do) to get the laws they want passed. As IP policy is not addressed by the platforms of either political party, those who are going to sell out and fuck america up the ass for lots of campaign money realize that it will not only look better if they introduce said law in bipartisan pairs, but it is much safer, too. A bill sponsored by 1 republican and 1 democrat is much less likely to be attacked by either party as a whole. In fact, such a bill will never be attacked by either party as a whole. If, say, the republicans were the ones passing all the "destroy their computers and send them to guantanimo" IP laws, the democrats would immediately campaign against it, and vice-versa. So since both parties know the other doesn't care, and since both parties have plenty of members willing to whore themselves out for money, those who introduce these bills know it's mutually beneficial for both parties to do so in pairs.

    Of course the same thing does for good laws, such as the one that's the subject of this thread. If two Republicans introduced the Eldred Act, the Democrats would immediately accuse the Reps of supporting criminals.

    Insightful. You bet your ass.

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  29. Re:What a flawed idea by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But so many copyrights aren't actively maintained at all. After 50 years, most of the individuals with copyrights will be dead, for pete's sake. And the reason this idea stands even a 1% chance is because it will make no difference to e.g. disney.

  30. Re:What a flawed idea by Hammerikaner · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Get real.. these numbers are just too fucking small to do shit
    That's exactly the point. This is not a money-making venture we're talking about. The tiny amount of money to continue a copyright is intended to make the work fall out of copyright and into the public domain. It's not like the government is going to be making big bucks off of this. For my part, I would like to see copyright's terms limited to 10-20 years, but I'm a young radical who hasn't created much of value yet. I'm sure I'll feel differently once I've sold out, struck it rich, and sold my soul to Walt.
  31. Re:What a flawed idea by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    about 9000 books that were writen in the 1930s and have not been in print for about 40 years.

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  32. Re:What a flawed idea by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, thank you for shooting this bill down. Now all that worthless stuff can just stay in Disney's vaults! This law is better than nothing-- at least it's a start.

    And it does have value. In many cases, the people who might own copyrights are not even aware of them, or are not easily determined from reading the copyright statement from 75 years ago. There's more to this than just paying a dollar. You also have to make it obvious who owns the copyright. I'd suggest that right there makes this plan worthwhile. Plus, while the work might not be worth much to the copyright holder, it might be worth something to someone making a derivative work or an aggregation or a library. In any case, if the work is no longer worth anything to the copyright holder, why should we give up our freedoms regarding our natural right to share, copy, and derive from that work?

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  33. Re:Min. copyright term is 50 years (Berne Conventi by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wouldn't shed any tears if the US decided to abandon the Berne Convention. It was a bad idea to begin with -- different countries tend to have different priorities with regards to copyright to begin with, and that's okay, and it's far too European a copyright system anyhow.

    I think we were doing better under the 1909 Act, particularly when Congress took a look at the B.C. and rejected it.

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  34. Re:What about home security cameras? by twifkak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Berne Treaty limit is life of the author plus 50 years. This is a hack, using the world "tax" instead of registration. The 50 years from publication was decided on just to make it friendly. Of course, this is all just information I stole from the faq that an earlier comment linked to. :)

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  35. HOAX! by cybercuzco · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its gotta be a hoax, I mean come on congressman doolittle? Isnt that implied by the first title? Next thing youll tell me theres a Senator Brownback. ;-)

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  36. Re:What a flawed idea by A+Naughty+Moose · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The point is that if it is important enough for the copyright owner to fill out the paperwork, then it stands to reason that they expect to make money off of it in the future. As it is right now, all a publishing company has to do is say: "Hey, we published it in 1930, therefore we own the copyright, want to take us to court to prove it?" Which, of course, is enough to keep people from entertaining the idea of publishing a derivative work.

    With this system, one would be able to go to a web site, and enter "HP Lovecraft" and find out not only if the works are in the public domain, but who actually owns the copyright. I could see it extended so that the copyright owner can even say: You can base some stuff off of my work, Ala Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos.

  37. Flatulence by nhavar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand that basically this is a tool to help with current copyright issues. Maybe getting some currently copyrighted works into the public domain... but... If you're going to go through all the effort why not just do it right and think about the future of copyright also.

    My economic stimulous plan is to push copyright to 14 years renewable one time for another 14 years for a fee. Berne Convention or not! Most companies should easily be able to make a profit off of their works/work for hire within a 14-28 year period. If not what in the hell are they doing in business - learn how to balance your books.

    My thought is that if you have a fairly short expire date for those profits to be reduced then the companies will work harder to produce new works which means new sales to maintain profits. New works will be easier to churn out because there's plenty of newly released fodder from the expired copyrights.

    Companies that can't innovate in that market don't deserve to be in business and shouldn't be able to legislate themselves into staying in business.

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  38. Re:What a flawed idea by Zaak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...what will be put into the public domain that anybody actually wants?

    There are many works which are not wanted by enough people to justify putting them back into print. However, if they were public domain, the few individuals who do want them would be able to print or otherwise distribute their own copies. The Gutenberg Project and others like it would benefit greatly from something like this.

    TTFN

  39. "No Commercial Value" by nickmontfort · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised at the comments that suggest this bill doesn't matter because it can only hope to free up those copyrighted works with no commercial value. Here we have stories about the Intellivision operating system drawing hundreds of comments, articles all the time about classic console and arcade video games, news of public domain audiobooks, and talk about a huge amount of "content" that clearly has no commercial value but is still really interesting, fun, and/or enlightening.

    Yes, some of the stuff I've mentioned does sometimes make an appearance in a commercial product like a 25-in-1 game controller or something, but there are still huge amounts of old computer games, books, films, music, and other media that are never going to make anyone a cent again. Some of these still would be nice to have around and have access to. Some of this stuff might be "sampled" or otherwise incorporated into new works of art, some might be used for historical or other academic research, and some of it might just be watched or read or listened to or played with by a small group of people who aren't much of a "market" but who still appreciate this work being available instead of lost in an corporate bureaucracy.

  40. question by cybercuzco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who is eligible to reregister, and when can they do it? If something like "its a wondeful life" goes into the public domain, and then 20 years later beecomes a big moneymaker again, can anyone pay $1 and put it back under copyright? Can the original owners do so? Can somone hijack a copyright once its up for renewal? Its only good if once something goes into the public domain it does so in perpetuity, and can never be returned to copyright.

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  41. Not funny. I don't like it at all. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    By the time Congress is through with it, it'll be "Copyright will last for 5 months. After that expires, the author must pay $50,000 to renew it, for another 150 years, or eternally, whichever's longer."

    While you might have been making a joke, the concept of paying for copyright protection might not be a good idea. With a short enough durration and a high enough cost, established publishers can effectively block out new entrants. It would also castrate the GPL when developers have their code co-opted because they can't pay to maintain their copyright. Patent fees like this are how Wittle lost his patent on the jet engine, which was much more reasonable than our current schedule. Fees might look reasonable if you are sitting someplace with money. Most people can't afford them and they have a way of doing just what your joke implies.

    Let's just roll back to a 14 year copyright protection. It's better to simply reduce the term so that anyone might publish an author's work within their lifetime. This maximizes the chances of useful works being published cheaply while they are relavant, while rewarding the author for publishing. 14 years was a good idea when publication was far more expensive and it's not a bad idea now. The GPL is still needed for 14 year copyrights because that's like 100 in software years. A hundred year copyright protected work might be widely published for the benifit of my great grandchildren and they probably won't want to read it.

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  42. Problem with this? by Tom7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love the idea of this bill.

    But there's a problem, as far as I see:

    Unless payment of the applicable maintenance fee is received in the Copyright Office on or before the date the fee is due or within a grace period of 6 months thereafter, the copyright shall expire as of the end of that grace period.


    Doesn't this mean that someone can just pay their $5 immediately upon creating the work, thus registering for the ~50 year extension? That seems bad to me, since essentially every book publisher (etc.) will just pay that fee when they publish. I thought the idea was that works "abandoned" after 50 years would have nobody around to bother to "renew" them, and then they would pass into the public domain. Even with an ammendment to the law, would someone just be able to set up a service that would automatically send in the forms and payment for subscribers' works when it's due?

    However, even if most people still pay the fee up front and get the full length of copyright, the database of such works will be extremely useful for things like project Gutenberg, where one of the hardest parts is simply finding out whether a work is still protected.
  43. Re:One problem I have with it. by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 2, Informative

    all this does is make copyright holders pay a nominal fee every few years to avoid forfeiting their copyright. This makes it so that when the creating entity is defunct or doesn't need the copyright, it will pass into the public domain quickly rather than a century later.

  44. Mickey is trademarked by Xtifr · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Steam-Boat Willie falls into the public domain, then it's possible that you'll be able to make a derivative work using the character of Mickey Mouse and Disney can't stop you.

    Mickey is trademarked, so it doesn't matter what happens to Steamboat Willy. You still can't use Disney's trademarked character.

    Anyway, the whole "cheap knockoff" argument is overrated. There are plenty of legitimate, authorized "cheap knockoffs" of all kinds of characters. Go buy a "Kids Meal" at McDonalds to see what I mean. And endless copyright prevents new and interesting ideas just as much as it prevents cheap knockoffs. (For examples, see Dan O'Neill and Berkeley Breathed.)

    I know, I'm not actually disagreeing with anything you said. I just wanted to make the point.

  45. The Washingtonpost.com has a story on this also by tsu+doh+nimh · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Washington Post ran a story about this also this afternoon.

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  46. Argument showing how Mickey is PD by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you can't use Mickey Mouse because he's still under copyright.

    Mickey has already fallen into the public domain for reasons other than the expiration of copyright. Try lack of notice when it was required.

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  47. Trademarks have nothing to do with it by yerricde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mickey is trademarked, so it doesn't matter what happens to Steamboat Willy. You still can't use Disney's trademarked character.

    Not true. At my local Walgreens store, I find VHS copies of public-domain films starring Bugs Bunny. These films were first published before 1964, but Warner never got around to renewing their copyrights at the 28-year mark. (Copyright in all works first published in 1964-1977 was renewed automatically by a 1992 law.) The boxes of the tapes have the text "Bugs Bunny" and a drawing of a rabbit on the front and "Fresh Hare, Falling Hare, The Wabbit Who Came To Supper; this video contains public domain audiovisual works and is not sponsored or endorsed by the original authors of the works." No, I don't remember the citation of the relevant court case. Anybody else?

    If Warner wants to compete, it can still compete on technical quality. The video I bought had a crappy transfer with blown highlights; Bugs often looked all-white instead of gray and white as he is supposed to appear.

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  48. EFF is a charity; PACs aren't. by yerricde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you want the EFF to buy off a congressman, send them a $20 check

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a charity. Charities do not make political campaign contributions. Political action committees (PACs) are not charities and can and do give money to candidates. Does there exist a PAC in the United States that focuses on the same issues that EFF follows?

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  49. Effects on Free Content? by femto · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As I see it, such an act is tipped slightly against Free contetnt (but not Opensource content).

    With the current setup, the stronger copyright is, the stronger copyleft is. For example, if copyright terms are 90 years, it will be 90 years before Free software can copy Unix code, but it will also be 90 years before Unix can copy Free software and make it closed source.

    Under the proposed act, if one assumes the Free content is less likely to have a revenue stream than the closed source content (an invalid assumption?) it is more likely that the Free content's copyrights will lapse while the closed-source content's copyrights are renewed.

    Okay, software will probably be obsolete in 50 years, but the same applies to music, films, books and other forms of content which don't go obsolete as quickly.

    End result: Closed source content has a chance to use Free content while Free content doesn't get a reciprocal benefit.

    I'm not necessarily saying it is a bad thing. It might turn out that the boost Free content gets from all that new public domain material is bigger than the loss, but it's something to think about.

  50. I just did by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just used the form to send a message to The Honorable Mark E. Souder, which went something like this:

    Tens of thousands of works, possibly 98 percent of copyrighted works published before 1940, are no longer commercially exploited but are still locked up behind copyright. Under copyright, these works are not only collecting dust but becoming dust, as the physical media in which they are fixed is slowly deteriorating. The Public Domain Enhancement Act would help move these works into the public domain, where they would best "promote the Progress of Science" as suggested in the Constitution.

    Please join Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) and Rep. John Doolittle (R-CA) in sponsoring the Public Domain Enhancement Act.

    To Slashdot readers residing in the United States (citizens and lawful permanent residents): Rephrase the above message in your own words, look up your representative, and send it to him or her. If your rep has already signed on (e.g. Lofgren or Doolittle), change the end to something like "Thank you for sponsoring the Public Domain Enhancement Act." However, if you live in 45th California, don't expect much of a response out of Rep. Mary Bono.

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  51. Trademarks DO have something to do with it by Xtifr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At my local Walgreens store, I find VHS copies of public-domain films starring Bugs Bunny.

    Yeah, and those particular images of Bugs Bunny are now in the public domain, but if you try to make your own brand-new Bugs Bunny cartoon, you're still going to fall afoul of the Warners lawyers, because Bugs is still a trademark of Warners. Which was my original point.

    You're right that it's not quite as simple as I originally implied, but trademarks are still a very important factor. If Steamboat Willy went into the public domain, then we might see cheap knock-offs of Steamboat Willy on the market, but not cheap knock-offs of Micky in general.

  52. Re:Reminds me of the income tax by tuba_dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately, our position isn't backed by enough money to make this a black or white issue. I'm happy starting with just a foot in the door. Hopefully we can improve our stance from there.

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  53. yes, we do, but it won't happen. by alizard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Given that the record and film industry appears to have invested heavily in buying some congressmen, perhaps its time for the open source/public domain movements to do the same. All the good will in the world wont lead to actual passing of legislation when Time Warner/Sony/EMI/Bertlemann/Conglomokorp actually owns people on Capitol hill... we have a petition, but they have votes in Congress.

    I don't see why the EFF and similar groups can't 'invest' in a few reelection campaigns. The business model is established by numerous corporations and special interest groups - all it would take are funds. In fact the same applies to all progressive social and political groups... how come the bad guys are smart enough to heavily influence politics with their money but the good guys aren't?

    BECAUSE THEY CAN'T!!!

    Non profit 503(c)3 "educational" organizations can't spend a single dollar on political campaigns. That's the tradeoff you get for knowing your contributions from them are tax-deductible.

    The ONLY kind of organization that can raise money from the public

    That's why EFF, Public Citizen, etc. can only wring their hands when shit like the DMCA passes. All they can do is beg and plead with Congresscritters for mercy. They get polite treatment. The people with the checks get results.

    No, the major corporations don't always get their own way on the Hill. It is possible for people's organizations to get enough money from people in $5 and $10 and $20 and $100 contributions and disburse them in $1000 and $5000 and $10,000 checks, to hire full-time staff to analyze new laws so the members don't get blindsided, to hire lobbyists, to hire staff to open envelopes. And they can and do run political campaigns against people who persist in not getting the message.

    The existence proofs are the NRA and the AARP. They are professionally run, they raise money, they represent their membership effectively.

    What's the bottom line for us? A small group of people come up with a couple or 3 million dollars they don't expect to be tax deductible. Not to give to politicians, to hire top-bracket pros to build the fund-raising infrastructure to make it possible to raise money from us in $5 and $10 and $20 and $100 contributions to make meaningful contributions.

    American high-tech types have the following choices:

    • learn to bend over and take it with a smile and practice "Would you like fries with that?"
    • Get it together and start doing the PAC stuff right fucking now.
    • get ready to leave the US permanently for places outside the reach of Hollywood cartel-owned politicians.
    • Hope the RIAA member labels go bankrupt before they do any more serious damage to the high-tech scene.
    But without the startup money, this goes noplace. If nobody's willing to come forward with the price of freedom while it can still be paid in dollars, the only solutions to this problem are individual... figuring how to get out from under.

    Nobody's going to come forward with the startup money.

    The people who can are under the delusion that the Hollywood cartel can be negotiated with, and after they come up with consumer devices that'll make Hollywood happy but that nobody will buy because they're DRM-broken to uselessness, Hollywood will make all their content available for pay-per-download for everybody that the Internet infrastructure can't support, and we'll all march off to a future of infinite profits.

    I'm looking for . . . an individual solution.

    1. Re:yes, we do, but it won't happen. by KjetilK · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is Bruce Perens' Global Technology Policy Institute, I thought that might be relevant in this context.

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  54. Re:What about home security cameras? by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Berne Treaty limit is life of the author plus 50 years."

    I just had a vision of public domain hit squads taking out copyright holders, for the purpose of cutting down their works' remaining copyright protection to that "plus 50 years".

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  55. Long term results by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you evaluate the strength of something, you have to look at not only its immediate action, but its long term effects.

    One thing we know about government is that if there's a "temporary" fee, it will last forever. And those "small" fees are almost certain to grow.

    By introducing this bill as a "miniscule" fee, they've effectively planted the seed that would all but defeat the existing "eternal" copyright insanities.

    In short, we would have a say because government would have a reason to listen - $$ talks louder than any number of letters, faxes, and emails.

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  56. money talks, I see you walking. by alizard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here's McCain's donor list to his personal "leadership PAC".

    Note that Micro$loth is on the top of the list of donors.

    If you actually believe that a letter from you and a letter from Microsoft have the same weight in determining how Senator McCain votes on any specific issue, you're as clueless as the rest of your post shows you as.

    The fact that you got moderated up to 5 is a demonstration of why I expect the US high-tech community to lose its freedom to create in the long run and why the laws Hollywood wants, it's going to get. Geeks think of themselves as "above" the political process, and more importantly, above bothering to find out how it works. They actually take your ideas pulled out of some half-assed memory of a high school civics class seriously

    Ask the guy at MS who wrote the check to McCain, "populist hero". He knows how the process works.

    You obviously don't.

    This bill actually has a chance to pass, as Hollywood needs a way to strip-mine the public domain, too, and it enables the content industry to keep anything with possible commercial value while work of anybody else goes into the public domain, for our use, and theirs.

    Note the name of the sponsors. They aren't exactly known for being our friends.

  57. Re:Ugh by StealthBadger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately this will also provide justification for extending copyright life ad infinitum. I can hear Eldred now (or whatever newer model Disney buys to replace him when he wears out):

    "Why do copyrights need to expire? See our wonderful mechanism for moving works into the public domain? Why, 90% of the works ever created move into the public domain after 50 years? Is it fair to punish the owners of the remaining 10% who have demonstrated consistent and careful interest in stewardship of their works?"

    The bill does good things, but creates this "justification" for continuing in the tradition of copyright lifetime extension.

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  58. Re:What about home security cameras? by shimmin · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, the reason the bill doesn't run afoul of Berne has nothing to do with the tax/registration technicality. It doens't run afoul of Berne because it only applies to works produced in the United States. Berne only requires you to grant the works of foreign authors life+50, no registration requried. It places no restrictions on what copyright term you offer your own authors.

  59. When it finally passes this Act will totally ..... by Jerry · · Score: 3, Funny

    eliminate free public access to any works previously in the "Public" domain, and minimize the inclusion of any future works in that venue.

    That's just the way bills in Congress works: the result of the bill is always exactly opposite of what the title of the bill implies.

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  60. didn't we talk about this alread? by cshark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems to me that this is more business as usual. The thing that I'm not understanding is what makes anyone think this is going to change anything.

    A large company with thousands of copyrights will be able to automate this process and extend their copyrights into eternaty without even a second glance. The fee shouldn't be $1. It should be $10,000 to keep a work from the public.

    This might not be much different, but if you have a work that valuble that the copyright needs to last 100 years, it should be worth 10,000 dollars to you, don't you think?

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    1. Re:didn't we talk about this alread? by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As was already discussed in the previous /. discussion, and is stated in the law, the company could not extend their copyrights "into eternaty", they could only do it to when copyrights expire currently, which I believe is like 75 or 80s after publication, or maybe the author's death. Sorry, look at some other posts.

      And as for the $1, thats so people who own their OWN copyrights, the 'little people', and who feel it's important to them to keep their works under copyright but just might not have $10,000 lying around. Doing what you suggest would essentially make it so only big companies could hold copyrights, which really isn't what we want.

      And if you say that people who don't have much money 50 years after the publication of their work, maybe you don't know their situation. Maybe their work isn't a big seller, but maybe its a steady one, that brings in a small paycheck each month that helps the author get by (there are books like that). Or maybe the author wrote a book about being on the Titanic, and this law had been in effect a couple of years ago, and the 50 years was about to be up when the author finds out that the James Cameron movie is about to be released and he/she will be able to make alot of money off it.

      I sorry about being a bit rambling with that last paragraph, I'm not sure how important it really was to include.

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  61. Why this will be opposed by Pendersempai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This bill was designed as it is because it's hard to find a downside -- the rich content oligarchs should have no problem extending those copyrights that are still relevant and therefore shouldn't mind if the rest pass into the public domain.

    The problem is that they will mind. Consider the nature of entertainment content like movies and music. In today's society, people expect to be entertained. Shouting "Boycott the RIAA!" is easy to do, but ultimately most of us want to listen to music, and it's all locked up by copyright. Only the RIAA has the keys. Illegal actions aside, there is no real alternative. Right now, the public domain is so emaciated from its nigh fifty years of starvation that it offers no competition.

    Now imagine if the RIAA had to compete with a well-endowed public domain. It would be a much less friendly market for them; when people get frustrated with high CD prices, bad-faith legal maneuverings, onerous DRM, and music that is all the same, it's much easier to bypass the RIAA completely. This is a future they will not want to allow.

    An ingenious analogy (credit to another slashdotter, name forgotten) is the bottled water industry. Water is not a very rare substance, yet we all need it to survive. So the BWIAA (bottled water industry association of America) has a market, but it's very elastic. Price-fixing isn't a viable option for them. But imagine, thinks the CEO, if everyone lived in a desert. Imagine if municipal reservoirs and indoor plumbing shut down -- if we (the BWIAA) were the only source of water. Then our market would become rigidly inelastic and we could charge anything we want! A hundred bucks for a 24oz Sports Pack and we'd all be rich!

    The RIAA and MPAA, like the hypothetical BWIAA, aren't in the business of collecting water -- they're busy building deserts. In their ideal world, every droplet of entertainment comes in their bottles. The public domain is their enemy, and they will viciously oppose this bill.

  62. federally funded research into public domain? by call+-151 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be good if pure research were put into the "public domain", particularly when it is paid for by tax dollars.

    There is an interesting NYT article today about a call for federally funded research to be more freely available, instead of in expensive and restrictive journals. It's about time- there are many expensive for-profit journals, whose worth is determined by reputations established primarily by the refereeing process. Referees are usually academics not paid by journals. Since the NSF or NIH is often paying for the researcher (who is doing the hardest work) and the universities are paying for the referees (who are doing the next hardest part of the work) and the labs and resources are usually paid for by universities (often the greatest expense) it is remarkable that the
    journals have been getting away with making big piles of money for essentially being clearinghouses and middlemen. In mathematics, there has been some resistance, including some from bigshots, to these journal monopolies, but change towards cheaper/free/non-profit journals has been slow. I choose to submit my research to reaonable journals on this criteria, but that means that I will never submit my work to some of the most prestigious ones. In medicine, where journals often restrict researchers from even discussing their results with colleagues or media until the article appears, this could be a massive chage. Many scientific journals do not permit you to post your own research on your web page and hopefully this overdue movement towards free distribution gathers momentum.

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  63. What Effect would this have on GPL'd works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take Linux -- multiple contributors who all hold copyright. Do *all* the copyright holders have to pay to renew their copyright, or the GPL shuts down the entire linux project? After all, you can't legally put Public Domain works under the GPL. For that matter, how does this cover derivative works of software code?