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Law Professor Examines SCO Case

An anonymous submitter writes "This law professor from the University of California points out weakness in SCO's legal bluster, and further takes a poke at closed software, for those hungry for more SCO scraps. At the end, he references Slashdot for more info ('itself a demonstration of the power of dispersed individuals working together')."

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  1. I doubt they're going to win. by Meat+Blaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Most of my friends agree that the SCO tactics raise questions about their underlying evidence. If you've got the trump card against IBM, why wouldn't you play it right away instead of engaging in this kind of game they've been playing? But you know, given some of the history here I'm starting to wonder if they've got something that's slam dunk against Linux. I doubt it, but I can't imagine they'd try to bluff IBM, let alone the raging Linux community.

    It could be that they've got a solid case. It could be that they're working out some great shenanigans. Irregardless, I'm starting to wonder if Linux should be open to the average user to contribute, or if perhaps it should be restricted to a core group of companies and Linus who can afford lawyers to vet the code. Things are getting pretty scary in the open source world, particularly with the lawyers getting involved...

  2. What has been said all along by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GPL or not

    The second principle is that a party's rights can be affected by its later conduct - which can constitute a "waiver," giving away rights. Until recently, SCO was a willing player in the Linux movement, releasing code under the open source ("copyleft") license. Everything that happened to Linux was in the open. Yet SCO delayed in suing.

    SCO had made their bed in deciding to take advantage of the open source movement. Now they want to retroactively change the decision.

    1. Re:What has been said all along by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But their claims are far broader than copyright, and seem to stem from a questionable interpretation of the word "derived".

      You might be able to build a case that SCO had no reason to know about the alleged copyright infringement, but clearly SCO new about and even participated in incorporating "enterprise class" features into Linux. Not only wasn't it a secret, it was widely publicised by IBM.

      Now, looking a the contracts as shown on SCO's web site, you might be possible to interpret them SCO's way (well, I don't really think so, but let's pretend for the sake of argument). There's no way you could conclude, however, that SCO didn't know that IBM was porting JFS or RCU to Linux. SCO knew it, and continued to distribute Linux anyway as part of their business.

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  3. No Kidding? by notque · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can anyone put out an article on SCO and have it posted as news?

    If I could spell more than 15 words in the english language correctly, I'd create an article and submit it.

    They are rehashing the same statements, we can all tell that SCO has almost no case to stand on, which is why the story is so compelling.

    It's like watching the Iraqi Information Minister. It's hilarious to watch someone openly ignoring the blatent obvious.

    And we get really mad when they make headways in the case, because they are so utterly moronic.

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  4. More SCO insider stock sold. by eddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just reloaded to see a Reginald Charles selling $55,450 worth of his SCO stock. At $55,450 that's the largest insider trade listed since this thing started.

    06/20/03 BROUGHTON REGINALD CHARLES Sold 5,000 $11.09 $55,450

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  5. SCO violates BSD license too by argoff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is is well known that SCO relies heavially on BSD code. But the BSD license, while it allows forking, strictly forbids suing over derived code. Since linux and BSD share alot of code - I could envision SCO loosing controll over all of their 'intellectual property'

  6. Buying "damaged" goods by eric76 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wasn't aware of the timing, but according to the article, SCO's McBride said:

    When IBM walked away from Project Monterey it put a dagger into the heart of SCO. Santa Cruz Operation lost its heart at that point and sold its business to Caldera. Caldera tried to run it as a commercial business. That didn't work and it was nearly flat-lined when we took over last year.

    Let's see. He's saying that IBM quit working on Project Monterey before Caldera bought Santa Cruz Operation's UNIX rights. That Santa Cruz Operation sold the rights precisely because they weren't as worth much at that point.

    But part of SCO's lawsuit against IBM is SCO's claim that because IBM quit working on Project Monterey, IBM is conducting anti-competitive behavior.

    Since SCO knew about this at the time they bought it, then surely, the price SCO paid for those rights was already discounted because IBM was no longer pursuing Project Monterey.

    It's kind of like buying a junked car that had been damaged in a collision and then suing the driver of the other vehicle for wrecking your car. It was already wrecked when you bought the car! At best, the seller might have had a claim against the other driver, but not the seller.

    If SCO wins, maybe we should buy the salvage rights to a World War II navy vessel sunk in a World War II battle. Then we can sue Japan for the full cost of the ship plus interest and penalties because they sunk our boat.

    1. Re:Buying "damaged" goods by hobsonchoice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would agree with you. But doesn't it sound similar to DR-DOS? (although of course nobody at SlashDot cared, as it was MS who was in the cross hairs)

      The point is:

      DR-DOS was already damaged when Caldera bought it. Caldera got it cheap as a result.

      MS actions may have damaged DR-DOS, but it was DR that suffered, not Caldera. Yet Caldera was the one suing for damages (and getting a settlement).

      Seeing a pattern here? You should.

  7. MS funds SCO while disposing of Corel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Rejected /. story submission but semi-relevant to the story of SCO (funded by MS) using the courts to attack competition while the same courts are not willing to protect anyone against the manipulation of competition by a monopoly)

    Corel shareholders fight suspicious takeover deal

    Corel is being buried alive, and at breakneck speed, by Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen and a former MS executive who, incidentally, also worked for the McKinsey consultancy firm which validated the post-MS investment strategic U-turn. Under the deal all Corel products would be privatized for a measly $30M. Corel shareholders - who've also pushed for Linux support long and hard - hope to canvass enough NO VOTES to scrap the deal but the raiders are tilting the rules in their favour.

    It all went horribly wrong after the Linux powerhouse merger agreement between Corel and Inprise/Borland was derailed three years ago. We understand that Borland (in which MS had a shareholding stake) had valid reasons for pulling out under the agreed terms, but the combination would still have made perfect sense. Corel founder and CEO Mike Cowpland was soon ousted and CTO Derek Burney was named interim CEO. Conveniently soon afterwards Burney's half-acquintance, Microserf Tom Button, gave him a call and invited Burney for a visit at the MS campus and before we knew it, he had signed a $135M investment deal with MS, accompanied by an incredibly one-sided Alliance deal in which Corel had all the commitments and Microsoft basically none. In his debt of gratitude, Burney even promised not to sue MS over any anti-competitive tactics that MS "may" have used in their MS-Office offensives. Next Burney drew up a new strategy based on those commitments - again incidentally killing all Linux efforts and reducing emphasis on anything competing with Microsoft - and submitted his ideas for "validation" by McKinsey & Company, a consulting firm with strong culture of alumni networking.

    From 2001 onwards Corel milked the increasingly-abandoned WordPerfect Office for revenue while toiling away on its dotNET descendant. Staff was getting laid off as a three-year turnaround plan was revealed to be centered on a dotNET-based enterprise system for massaging corporate data and delivering it in realtime to any type of devices through extensive use of XML and SVG graphics. Corel even bought SoftQuad and Micrografx to merge their technologies into the project codenamed Deepwhite. Great idea but with somewhat misguided execution.

    In 2002 Corel managed to strike a few high-profile albeit limited OEM preload deals with the likes of Dell, HP and Sony. While Corel received little in terms of revenue from those deals, even that limited success must have come as a shock for Microsoft. "How dare those ingrate nobodies invade our holy turf!" could have been the likely reaction at Redmond. With the anti-trust spotlight under a friendly operator it was time for the final strike, and how better add insult to injury than by not just taking Corel out but actually keeping the corpse within the family!

    In December 2002 the Paul Allen financed Vector Group, managed by a fo

  8. txs SCO by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IMHO those lawsuits will always turn in favor of open-source software. It's causing people which never though of it to think about differences between proprietary and open-source software, and to even worry about it.

    I hope that, then, more and more people will feel more confident about open source, then start to use it.

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  9. A clear and interesting article by ctid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But I'd love to hear the Professor's views on the evidence that has emerged thus far. As far as I can see, SCO's case revolves around developments at IBM and Sequent (now owned by IBM). They have talked about RCU and NUMA and JFS and something else I have forgotten. It seems that what SCO have shown so far is equivalent to this: IBM devise a new scheme for (eg) scheduling in the kernel. They implement this new scheme in AIX, sell it to some customers and everyone (including SCO) is happy. Later on, IBM conceives its Linux strategy. They then port their new XYZ scheduling scheme to Linux, offer it to Linus and eventually it gets merged into the Kernel. Now SCO comes along and says that IBM has no right to incorporate it into Linux because it belongs to SCO. The fact that the original technology licensed to IBM has got nothing like XYZ scheduling in it doesn't matter to SCO; as far as they're concerned, since IBM incorporated it into AIX first, the technology belongs to SCO.

    All of this begs the question as to what SCO have been showing to their independent experts. Suppose they grab the code for XYZ scheduling, as seen in AIX. Then they grab the code for XYZ scheduling, as seen in Linux. Obviously, these two pieces of code, are going to be a pretty good match, even down to the comments. They tell the independent consultants that the former is System V code (because SCO claims that everything that was ever added to AIX belongs to them). And they tell the consultants that the latter is from kernel 2.4.XX. So the independent consultants, in all good faith, report that there is a match between "SCO code" and Linux code. My bet is that this is what SCO have been doing. I believe that this is the reason for SCO wanting people to sign NDAs. They can't risk anyone who knows anything about the kernel saying exactly what the code represents. It is in their interests to fudge the issue of where the code has come from. If some random hacker has grabbed the original SVR4 code and slipped some of it into a patch that has found its way into the Kernel, that could occasion some sympathy for SCO (not $3bn or even $1bn worth of sympathy). If that is the case, it looks like code that SCO originally paid for is being used without SCO being compensated. On the other hand, if it's IBM's implementation of XYZ for AIX, which they have ported to XYZ for Linux, then SCO's case is dead in the water, and SCO knows it.

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  10. RTFC professor Chander by worldcitizen · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While I agree that SCOX hardly has merits for this lawsuit, I'm afraid professor Chander is writing on hearsay rather than the actual claims made by SCOX. The point (at this moment, until SCOX files their next update to the suit) is about what constitutes a derived work and whether IBM (and Sequent) lost their rights to their original research when they incorporated it into Unix. This is not analyzed at all.

    Some defensive items in the article are correct but that is because previous reporting got those right already, for example the delay in SCOX taking action and their willful distribution of supposedly infringing code under GPL terms (fully willful, there was no "inadvertent" element, they were "advertising" these featues)

    The closing comment highlights how much this article is about politics more than law Otherwise, there will be no such thing as truly open, free software - and as a consequence, there will effectively be an economy-dragging tax on information technology. A judge will hardly be bothered with the existance or not of free software, there isn't a law or constitutional principle or similar that says freedom of software is protected. Same for SCOX being able to collect a "tax" from others, if judges were bothered by this, stupid patents wouldn't have a chance and we know this is not what actually happens...

    So, Mr. Chander, please read the freaky claims before speaking about them. Getting infected with slashdotters' bad habits can be very dangerous in court.

  11. Read history McBride by mormop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SCO alleges that "as long as the Linux development process remained uncoordinated and random, it posed little or no threat to SCO...." But in truth, Linux was always coordinated - just by many different hands.

    In the final years of the 1930s the german army raced across Europe trashing all opposition in their path. At the time of their greatest military successes the German army was running a field command structure called "mission based" command.

    Mission based command placed the authority to act in the hands of the soldiers on front line, the idea being that those closest to the front would undoubtably be best positioned to make fast assessments of a situation. Should an opportunity present itself they were free to exploit it to their advantage without having to check with the beaurocracy above. The overall target was known - to win, and as long as your actions fitted the target it was up to you.

    This system worked so well that all fell in their path 'til they hit the English channel and turned on Russia (at the instruction of their one leader).

    Contrast this to the latter half of the war. The more centralised command became around the leader and his sycophantic entourage, the worse things got until eventually the leaders own incapability to understand the demands of those at the front line led to the collapse of the whole system.
    The first example was Hitlers order to Rommel to stand fast to the last man at El-Almain. The same mistake was made again at Stalingrad and in several other situations.

    The distributed, "module based" development of Linux allows developers to react in the same way as the soldiers on the front line, patching and adding features on the fly without having to discuss it with their manager, product manager, product devlopment manager, product development management manager etc. leading to events like the KDE team patching the SSL flaw in konqueror while the MS FUD machine was still denying it was a problem.

    NO! before you start saying it their are no insinuated similaraties between OSS community developers and certain historical characters of an evil nature it's the model that's similar. Ironically the intent in the case of Linux is freedom not enslavement.

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  12. Re:Ummm, no by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a huge difference between writing an application FOR an OS and writing code that is a PART of the OS.

    No, no there isn't. The difference between application level software and operating system software is completely arbitrary, and many people disagree about what the difference is.

    And no matter where the line is, doing the actual programming is absolutely the same.

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  13. Why this article helps. by ashitaka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are 70 lawyers in my firm.

    At least one has come into my office asking if we use Linux and expressed concern about the lawsuit when informed that we do. (Samba, CUPS, etc.)

    I explained the lgeal reasons why they should not be concerned but since I am just the IT manager my words have little credence.

    This is the kind of article I can forward to all the lawyers who ask as it's from the kind of source they will listen to, speaking a language they understand.

    As other posters have pointed out, it's not what he says (which we all already knew), it's who is saying it.

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  14. Re:closed makes it easier to hide patent infringme by spitzak · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Also don't discount the high probability that closed-source programs stole from other closed-source programs as well as from open source.

    In fact it can be easily argued that open-source discourages copyright infringement because it can so easily be detected.