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U.S. DoD Commits To IPv6
babaloo writes "According to this
article the U.S. Defense Department wants to move it's entire network to IPv6 by the year 2008. Will this be what pushes at least U.S. based companies and providers to actually convert over?" It's definitely a shot in the arm that IPv6 needs. This seemed to be more of a priority back when NAT was much less prevalent, but it seems we'll eventually find ourselves on IPv6, even if we drag our feet there.
Wasn't this covered here:3 /194120 6&mode=thread
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/1
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any news is good news!
A simple search for "ipv6" before posting the article would have been nice =)
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.....every second until the day IPv8 goes into effect, not to mention every person alive, every toaster making toast, every toilet still flushing, and every bullet fired. Maybe this is why the DoD wants IPv6... No not for toilets, internet enabled bullets!!
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Its pretty much a fact that most internet innovations are due to military and pornography pushing early use. IPv6 is definitly going to happen now.
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What are they going to do with all those IP addresses? Oh wait, I know. A trillion nano-machines flying around the Iraqi country side, injecting anthrax into Saddamic supporters...
IPv6 has enough IP's to identify each unique second until IPv8 is released.
IPv8 won't be released until all IPv6 addresses are used.
The longer it takes for IPv8 to be released, the sooner it will happen!
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Why would it be? I assume most US based companies and providers don't have many connections to the DOD network :) ;)
When a: there is a decent amount of IPv6 only content, and b: when the most widely used OS in the world ships with it enabled by default, (ipv6 install doesn't count here) then it might start taking hold. But it's a chicken and egg situation at the moment. That autopr0n guy should switch his site to IPv6 only, and force his viewers to start using IPv6 (or IPv6-over-IPv4)
Sign yourself up to an IPv6 tunnelbroker today, and get your own n * 2^64 addresses to play with.
In fact, why isn't Slashdot an IPv6 enabled site?
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In solaris frex. you simply have to say yes to enable when asked during install and hey presto your machine is instantly IPv6 aware.
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Too bad I have to type http://132.122.21.123.155.135.132.152.132.122.221. 123.15.23.32.52 to get to my computer that I don't have a domain name for.
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>> U.S. DoD Commits To IPv6
Washington, DC - June 26, 2003 - Dept. Of Defense in charge of security and defense for the United States Of America will be going over budget on an IPV6 upgrade. The majority of costs will be involved in training staff to count to the number 6. Previous training to count up to 5 was thought to be years ahead of its time since the DOD believes IPV5 would come after IPV4.
IPV6 is the Hurd of networking protocols!
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This seemed to be more of a priority back when NAT was much less prevalent
Since several states have already banned NAT, and several more are moving in that direction... perhapse IPv6 will be necessary much sooner than we think.
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Windows XP already supports IPv6 out of the box and it's a very small, downloadable, and free upgrade for 2000.
Also, pretty much every single *-nix I can think of supports IPv6 natively. I know for a fact that OpenBSD supports it and I cna't imagine Linux doesn't. Heck, it'd be a fun challenge to find a Unix that doesn't support IPv6.
So that's *-nix, MacOS X, and all future versions of Windows. What else would an 'average home user' be using?
You know, call me weird or something, but I happen to like NAT and, well, pretty much fully understand IPv4.
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... learn it.
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Yeah -- I know how to use a Linux box as a decent router and setup Firewall's as needed, etc.
The fact that I'm not doing anything SERIOUSLY complex helps:
- Web servers (port 80 and 443)
- imaps (port 993)
- ssh2 (private port with honey-pots all over
- other misc needed ports and tunnels as well.
ONLY ports I specifically opened up and re-directed are available to the general Internet. Firewalls run internally as well, but many more services (lpr, smb, hell IPX is stilled used/preferred for accounting work)...
With IPv6 I'm probably going to go the route of:
1) Ok -- I *basically* understand it, but honestly haven't wrapped my brain around it
2) Try and get a few IPv6 addresses as needed
3) Update front end router to use it work with it.
4) Tunnel it back into my IPv4 network per port as needed. IPv6 NAT if you will...
I really don't want anything/everything directly connected to the Internet. At anytime. Except the Internet network router. These ISP's selling "Windows DSL modems" where it plugs directly into USB or the Ethernet is NUTS, IMHO.
Once in a blue moon I'll come across a Linux box that has ftp (for example) enabled and there really isn't the want/need for it. Oops, not Firewalled either... Glad it wasn't directly on the 'Net (!)
Even when the need _has_ arisen to put a box completely on the Internet directly it's been easy enough to setup a 1:1 map on the router... While the video feed was going on I personally would be nmap'ing the box to double check the firewall settings...
Of course the problem exists because, well, it is TOO easy to get on the Internet. Too many have no clue what they are doing, but they get email (!) Yeah. Those are the ones spreading virus' and not knowing it or have a hacked box spewing spam around the world. Some problems could also become moot with IPv6 in regards to security and accountability...
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IPv6 sounds great but I see that we will need more TLDs and a domain name will be absolutely necessary.
Frickin' Rainman will be the only one able to remember xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.
At least the giant corporations that are our new overlords will have to spend some serious $$$ to cover all the new 'name.new tld'. Perhaps after all this is done, they can work on flying cars. 'cause we are like 50+ years behind the times here, people.
But all that has to take a back seat to hard-to-remember IPv6.
Here's a plan, why don't we just take the internet away from all the AOLers, the Flash greeting card senders, the 'Great Story! Read this LOLRFLOLRLOL!!!!'ers, Zone Bejewled players and the cheaters at Counter Strike and we'll have enough IPs for all of the elitist bastards that are going to make my toaster talk to me.
Tell you what. I will trade all my IPs (192.168.x.x) for a friggin' flying car.
Let's make it happen. I'll even have a bumper sticker, "IPv6, but my doctor says I'll be fine!" with a smiley!
Gimme my flying car.
if it were not for the increased awareness of security, this would never had happened.
Won't we need IPv7 by then?
No, we will not. The current IPv4 has approximately 4,300,000,000 (4.3 x 10^9) total addresses in its address space. IPv6, however, has 3.4 x 10^38 available addresses.
To quote from the WIDE FAQ: "If the address space of IPv4 is compared to 1 millimeter, the address space of IPv6 would be 80 times the diameter of the galactic system."
It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6.
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How slow is that?
Metric time is based on divisions of 10. And so is the metric calendar.
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It is definitely a good thing, but the US isn't going to shift to IPv6 just because one government department has decided to use it. It will happen by people getting involved with IPv6. Jump on the 6-bone today.
www.freenet6.net, it's free.
because much like a greater part of history, time and period of days etc have religious backgrounds/history to them. 7 is the number of God , 12 and 24 represent a priesthood if I'm not mistaken. The methods we use for time were developed long before the metric system was a twinkel in it's daddy's eye.
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...simple info on IPv6: http://www.internet2.edu/resources/infosheetIPv6.p df
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[note, it really should be NAPT (network address and port translation), NAT alone is pretty harmless]
Let's say I'm the author of a voice over IP application on a platform that supports IPv6, like, say, Mac OS X. I get myself a NAPT-replacement box that I stick on the edge of my home network. It assigns an IPv6 address to each of the inner systems using 6to4. Then, when my caller wants to try to phone me, I give her my IPv6 address. She connects to that address and her magic box sets up an IPv6 tunnel to my magic box automatically. Then my magic box forwards the packets to the right machine in my network.
Add a firewall to that, and you've got something that replaces NAPT.
You could keep IPv4 NAPT as a legacy feature for inside hosts and applications that don't support IPv6 yet. But apps that do support IPv6, would not have to do any work to traverse the NAPT.
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It's hierarchical. Someone owns "all" the IP addresses. Big ISP 1 asks for a chunk of space, and gets, oh, I don't know, a /30. ISP 2 gets a /36. Company 3 (me :O) ) gets a /48, which is 65536 subnets, each of 2^64 addresses, which is more than enough for me.
Hierarchical is good, as it means that the world doesn't need to know about routes for each company. It just says: Oh, that address is in the range belonging to Big ISP 1, so I'll pass it on. Big ISP 1 knows that it belongs to ISP 2, and ISP 2 passes it on to Company 3.
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IPv6 is picking up steam, another push like this is going to make it appear in all new computers a little bit sooner.
In every installation I've rolled out in the last few years, I've specced IPv6 support. Every network, router, interconnect, carrier and transit has had IPv6 working. Not always working very well, but enough that people didn't notice whether their traffic went over IPv6 or v4.
Solaris has had IPv6 for several years, and the current release its on by default, plug it into a network with an IPv6 router and it works. M$ is playing catch up by including it natively in XP, but it still takes some tweaking. The linux distros will have to start making it enabled by default (no more kernel recompiles), but that may be happening as I type this. More and more applications are being written as fully IPv6 aware, and most of the traditional apps like ping, FTP, traceroute and SSH are now re-written to use IPv6 when a AAAA record is returned from a DNS lookup. There still is a lot of work to be done, like fully working dynamic DNS updates, and DHCPng, route servers, and a free (as in everything) certificate system for IPSec. Every new release of every browser should check for IPv6 and use it whenever possible, M$ claims that will happen starting with their next desktop releases.
Where I've seen the most far-sighted development is in the newest generation of GSM mobile phones. All the big players are including IPv6 in their current handset designs, and the carriers are now developing value added services to sell. So its not just each phone is individually addressable, but can roam onto competing carriers networks and still have a globally accessible address. Internally, every carrier in Europe with 2.5G/3G services is running IPv6 for everything (except for a few dinosaurs about to be extinct). The other big area is giving each credit card with a smart chip (anti-fraud and verification chip) a range of IPv6 addresses. When the card is put into a reader or used for an online purchase, the chip will actively participate in the verification step by being uniquely addressable and requesting end-to-end encryption. There were several card manufacturers showing off their tiny IPv6 stacks at a recent smartcard trade show.
As I've pointed out in a post months ago, many ISPs here in Europe are making IPv6 available for early adopters, in the hopes of riding the next wave to some higher margins. I've had clients ask me for advice on getting onto the "new internet", because they didn't want to get left behind on the "old and obsolete internet". Then I point out how they are already on it, and my installations use the "new internet" whenever possible.
IPv6 is here, it works, and soon consumers will make it a "must-have" item when buying a new computer. When that starts happening, then techies with a few years of solid IPv6 experience will be sought after for their skills.
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Oh wait. This essay about how metric sucks is really about how metric lacks names for things in convenient sizes. In the rulebooks.
But language allows us to use the old imperial names for our old convenient sizes. I know running around school buming change for a "pint" is much more convenient than saying "5683 milliliters".
Try doing anything complicated with the old measurements. You need to remember fairly complicated names and values for each measurement to do math with them.
Take a look at the tables on http://convert.french-property.co.uk/ who knew a cubic foot of water was 1728in3, which would weigh..... um. you get the picture.
1 milliliter of water weighs 1 gram. a liter weighs a kilogram. a cubic meter weighs a tonne. or 1000 kilograms. or 1,000,000 grams. easy.
We can go and buy pints at the store, and they sell bottles of 0.57l bottles. We call them pints, and that's just fine.
"It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6."
baring an artificial scarcity. Like somebody buys 300 trillion trillion of them. You think thats unlikly, but if some company offered everybody on te board of "whoever will hand these out" 10 million dollars, do you honestly think they would run into a problem getting them?
Hell, if I had the money to do so, I would the resale on these would be huge.
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OK, this is very funny. IP addys for every bullet. But listen gang, the ISPs have been tight fisted with IP addresses for so long that most of you young-uns don't even remember the day when anyone with a router could count on a Class-C or even B to themselves. Those days are LONG gone; now you get DSL and you pay for ONE frigging static IP address, and if you want anything like a big chunk of a Class-C you have to pay serious cash. Monthly. And upgrade? You want more? Well all the IPs on either side of your teeny tiny block were sold to other shmoes already, so if you want more you get a whole new block. So you better get more than you think you will need...ever...or else everytime you run over your public IP space you will need to reconfig your entire public facing Internet presence to a new block.
But you know what, that's not really a technology limit, that's a BUSINESS MODEL.
Watch this. When they finally go over to IPv6 and later install your new DSL, know what the knee-biting bastards will do? First, they will charge you MORE for a basic DSL with dynamic IP because now it is the new-fangled IPv6 (new=$$$). Then they will assign you a SINGLE IP addy from their store of 128 trillion. And they will assign IP addresses this way in SEQUENCE to all subscribers so that as soon as you get yours you are boxed in by other subscribers just getting theirs. You know they will, it will be a strategic decision to completely undermine the freedom you SHOULD have when there are about 1 billion IP addresses for every human alive on earth.
The only way around this would be to issue IP blocks to physical locations on the earth, so no matter where you are you have all the IP addresses reservered for that square meter of dirt, and if you have a large home/office/company then you have a big block indeed. ISPs would be forced to backbone their entire geographic area, including the whole planet if they are big enough.
As a business model it sucks big wind. But I like it as an end user.
Wire the planet. Freedom to connect! No more IP address space tyranny!!
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For those not in the know, here is a brief article Explaining the benefits of IPV6.
One of the big differences between the GOSIP OSI stack (which failed in the market) and IPv6 (which might succeed) was that GOSIP was big, clumsy, generally didn't work, and didn't have lots of applications, while TCP/IP was much lighter weight and had lots of commercial support by vendors and lots of people really developing useful applications (like FTP and SMTP as opposed to X.400.) It's possible that the same thing will happen to IPv6, but if Microsoft and Cisco support it and the DoD's DNS servers support it, it's got a chance of working.
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It isn't actually that every computer has one IP address - it's really that every _network_interface_ has one IP address, but if you've only got one network card that's close enough to the same thing. The IP address has two parts, a network part for the network you're connected to and a host part for your machine itself. On the current IPv4 the address is 32 bits, which was plenty back in 1980 but is looking a bit tight now, while the newer IPv6 stuff that almost nobody uses yet has 128 bits, which really _is_ enough for everybody. The actual storage it takes up isn't very big - the 8 bytes of IP address is a lot smaller than the 4KB of email message you were sending or the 64KB JPG or 4MB MP3 you're downloading.
So your computer knows its IP address, and the space of IP addresses for the local network it's on, and usually the IP address of a router or other host that's smart enough to figure out how to route packets to the rest of the world. There's a protocol called DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) that lets machines that don't know their IP addresses broadcast a request for somebody to tell them who and where they are. There are simple routing protocols like ARP for finding the ethernet addresses of other machines on your LAN, so your machine can talk to the local machines, and a wide range of routing protocols for finding how to get packets to the rest of the world and how to tell the rest of the world that you're there. Usually, though certainly not always, an end-user computer or a server machine isn't running the routing protocols itself - it usually has the address of a router, and sends any traffic that's not for local machines out over to the router to take care of.
A router might or might not have to run routing protocols. In a typical home or small business, there's just one LAN connection and one WAN connection, and any traffic that's not local gets sent out the WAN connection to the ISP. But if you've got more than one connection (e.g. if you're an ISP), then you need to know about the topology of the outside world. Usually this is done with BGP, and what really matters isn't so much how big the addresses are that a router keeping track of, but how many ranges of addresses it's keeping track of, e.g. how many ISPs or big businesses it knows how to get to, and how many outgoing connections it has to get there on.
IPv6 was supposed to do lots more than give us bigger addresses and make IPSEC-like security standard. One of the things it was supposed to do was provide better ways to aggregate information about networks and connectivity to make routing protocols easier to use. I'm not convinced that it really succeeded.
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Maybe you read it the first time when it was called Pentagon Wants IPv6 by 2008. I know that Yahoo! isn't exactly known for their great reporting skills but come on folks... sheesh. And its dupes like this that keep my crummy news suggestions from getting accepted.
Second, that essay sucks. For instance, a pint is not 250ml, but 568ml. The reason people order pints of beer instead of 568ml (or even a half-litre) is mostly historical, but it's also because it's handy to have a nice short name for a measure you use often. If they had used metric for beer all along, then people would have needed a short nickname for a half-litre, and perhaps they would have called it a pint. It's the same way we call kilometres "clicks", and it has nothing to do with base 10, or fractions, or "number theory" as you say.
This guy goes on to say:
No, we are most certainly not back where we started from. If you like to give a name to 3/7 of a metre, that's your business, but I like the fact that I can do mental math in metric, and convert units just by sliding the decimal point.
For example, if I'm travelling at 31km/h, what is that in metres per second? It turns out the hardest part of that calculation is converting hours into seconds, which involves dividing by 3.6. As far as mental arithmetic goes, it doesn't get much harder than that. There's your precious number threory for you. And it only gets worse if you try to turn 31mph into feet per second.
In contrast, if my car uses 7.3 litres of fuel per 100km, what is that in millilitres per km? It's 73. It's so simple you can do it in your head, and get your answer with as much precision as you want, so long as you are capable of sliding the decimal point properly for each unit conversion.
Later, we find this demented little nugget:
The problem here, if you'll take a moment to think about it, is that the authors of these cookbooks are not using the metric system. If they were, the problem would disappear. (In fact, if they would use any consistent system, the problem would disappear.)
How the author manages to blame this on the metric system is beyond my comprehension.
The best part comes next. I think my whole attitude on this "essay" can be focused on this one small quote:
You don't need to read anything else in this essay---even the rest of this paragraph, where he goes on to say that people buy wood in 120cm lengths---because it's all here. Nobody cares if you can't divide a metre into 3, just like nobody cares if you can'
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What is to prevent the independant ISPs from switching thier systems over?
.mil is going IPv6 in 2008, does that mean the rest of the net waits until then?
I believe that cisco already supports IPv6 on most (all?) of thier equipment. There are IPv6 packages for most OS, and you can support IPv6 and IPv4 simultaneously if neccessary.
Is it neccessary for the smaller guys to wait?
If
That seems a little ass backwards to me.
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I was wondering if anybody had a good link to a plain understandable real world little theory as necessary document on IPv6. I found a tunnel broker, don't know how to use it, can't find reasonable documentation, (no, the IPv6 howto doesn't tell me what I'm looking for). I just want to assign my currently external IPv4 gentoo server at work a IPv6 addy. How do I do that, and, perhaps moreover, why would I want to (besides, heh, cool, I can ping this big blob of stuff I can't remember). And how will it eventually be implemented. Who will hand out IPv6 blocks? Like with IPv4 now?
I haven't posted in so long, my sig is out of date.
...was telling the audience (mostly non-technical) about IPv6.
He mentioned how many addresses, and then asked if anyone knew what that meant.
He said that it would mean there would be enough for every frickin appliance, and it could run Java on it, and did anyone know what THAT meant?
Of course no one was supposed to have any answers, it was almost all PHBs there (I got dragged along to man a cursed booth).
So I raised my hand and said "So you can get up in the morning and reboot your toaster?"
EVERYONE burst out laughing!