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U.S. DoD Commits To IPv6
babaloo writes "According to this
article the U.S. Defense Department wants to move it's entire network to IPv6 by the year 2008. Will this be what pushes at least U.S. based companies and providers to actually convert over?" It's definitely a shot in the arm that IPv6 needs. This seemed to be more of a priority back when NAT was much less prevalent, but it seems we'll eventually find ourselves on IPv6, even if we drag our feet there.
Wasn't this covered here:3 /194120 6&mode=thread
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/1
oh wait, this is
any news is good news!
A simple search for "ipv6" before posting the article would have been nice =)
:)
Karma-seekers, just go to the original post and repost all insightful comments!
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.....every second until the day IPv8 goes into effect, not to mention every person alive, every toaster making toast, every toilet still flushing, and every bullet fired. Maybe this is why the DoD wants IPv6... No not for toilets, internet enabled bullets!!
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
Its pretty much a fact that most internet innovations are due to military and pornography pushing early use. IPv6 is definitly going to happen now.
:)
See history of the internet and streaming media...
Rob
hmmmmmmmmmm?
Oh good.. So by 2008, you will be able to frag your neighbor over IPv6 with Duke Nukem Forever.
Click here :)
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Now if we only could see some commitment from other than largely overfunded organizations and the people that actually build the ipv6 products...
It wants its story back.
What are they going to do with all those IP addresses? Oh wait, I know. A trillion nano-machines flying around the Iraqi country side, injecting anthrax into Saddamic supporters...
IPv6 has enough IP's to identify each unique second until IPv8 is released.
IPv8 won't be released until all IPv6 addresses are used.
The longer it takes for IPv8 to be released, the sooner it will happen!
no comment
But that's just my two cents.
Good that the DoD is still support projects that came about from their original idea, ARPANET, or as we so lovingly call the contemporary version- the internet.
"Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky"-Pink Floyd
Why would it be? I assume most US based companies and providers don't have many connections to the DOD network :) ;)
When a: there is a decent amount of IPv6 only content, and b: when the most widely used OS in the world ships with it enabled by default, (ipv6 install doesn't count here) then it might start taking hold. But it's a chicken and egg situation at the moment. That autopr0n guy should switch his site to IPv6 only, and force his viewers to start using IPv6 (or IPv6-over-IPv4)
Sign yourself up to an IPv6 tunnelbroker today, and get your own n * 2^64 addresses to play with.
In fact, why isn't Slashdot an IPv6 enabled site?
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In solaris frex. you simply have to say yes to enable when asked during install and hey presto your machine is instantly IPv6 aware.
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Too bad I have to type http://132.122.21.123.155.135.132.152.132.122.221. 123.15.23.32.52 to get to my computer that I don't have a domain name for.
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DELETE FROM comments WHERE comment LIKE "%repost%" OR comment LIKE "%dupe%" in a crontab would be easier :)
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>> U.S. DoD Commits To IPv6
Washington, DC - June 26, 2003 - Dept. Of Defense in charge of security and defense for the United States Of America will be going over budget on an IPV6 upgrade. The majority of costs will be involved in training staff to count to the number 6. Previous training to count up to 5 was thought to be years ahead of its time since the DOD believes IPV5 would come after IPV4.
IPV6 is the Hurd of networking protocols!
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
DELETE FROM stories where title='U.S. DoD Commits to IPv6' would be even better.
This seemed to be more of a priority back when NAT was much less prevalent
Since several states have already banned NAT, and several more are moving in that direction... perhapse IPv6 will be necessary much sooner than we think.
no comment
Windows XP already supports IPv6 out of the box and it's a very small, downloadable, and free upgrade for 2000.
Also, pretty much every single *-nix I can think of supports IPv6 natively. I know for a fact that OpenBSD supports it and I cna't imagine Linux doesn't. Heck, it'd be a fun challenge to find a Unix that doesn't support IPv6.
So that's *-nix, MacOS X, and all future versions of Windows. What else would an 'average home user' be using?
You know, call me weird or something, but I happen to like NAT and, well, pretty much fully understand IPv4.
:)
... learn it.
:)
Yeah -- I know how to use a Linux box as a decent router and setup Firewall's as needed, etc.
The fact that I'm not doing anything SERIOUSLY complex helps:
- Web servers (port 80 and 443)
- imaps (port 993)
- ssh2 (private port with honey-pots all over
- other misc needed ports and tunnels as well.
ONLY ports I specifically opened up and re-directed are available to the general Internet. Firewalls run internally as well, but many more services (lpr, smb, hell IPX is stilled used/preferred for accounting work)...
With IPv6 I'm probably going to go the route of:
1) Ok -- I *basically* understand it, but honestly haven't wrapped my brain around it
2) Try and get a few IPv6 addresses as needed
3) Update front end router to use it work with it.
4) Tunnel it back into my IPv4 network per port as needed. IPv6 NAT if you will...
I really don't want anything/everything directly connected to the Internet. At anytime. Except the Internet network router. These ISP's selling "Windows DSL modems" where it plugs directly into USB or the Ethernet is NUTS, IMHO.
Once in a blue moon I'll come across a Linux box that has ftp (for example) enabled and there really isn't the want/need for it. Oops, not Firewalled either... Glad it wasn't directly on the 'Net (!)
Even when the need _has_ arisen to put a box completely on the Internet directly it's been easy enough to setup a 1:1 map on the router... While the video feed was going on I personally would be nmap'ing the box to double check the firewall settings...
Of course the problem exists because, well, it is TOO easy to get on the Internet. Too many have no clue what they are doing, but they get email (!) Yeah. Those are the ones spreading virus' and not knowing it or have a hacked box spewing spam around the world. Some problems could also become moot with IPv6 in regards to security and accountability...
!fp
Also ISP support... it may seem obvious but I don't know of a single ISP in my city that supports IPv6 yet. I admit I could just not be looking hard enough... but it makes sense since Windows doesn't support it yet so why should ISPs spend the time and money.
The fact is that most Windows users won't care or know about what IP version they're using. So it's not really up to them to "decide" to use IPv4 or IPv6. The key is ISP support. Until you have both of those no one will switch.
I would gladly switch to IPv6 today, but even if Windows did support it my ISP doesn't so it just can't happen.
- Garett
I don't remember that. Can you point out a few references for me to paruse and post them here?
Won't we need IPv7 by then?
YOU SUCK BALLS!
IPv6 sounds great but I see that we will need more TLDs and a domain name will be absolutely necessary.
Frickin' Rainman will be the only one able to remember xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.
At least the giant corporations that are our new overlords will have to spend some serious $$$ to cover all the new 'name.new tld'. Perhaps after all this is done, they can work on flying cars. 'cause we are like 50+ years behind the times here, people.
But all that has to take a back seat to hard-to-remember IPv6.
Here's a plan, why don't we just take the internet away from all the AOLers, the Flash greeting card senders, the 'Great Story! Read this LOLRFLOLRLOL!!!!'ers, Zone Bejewled players and the cheaters at Counter Strike and we'll have enough IPs for all of the elitist bastards that are going to make my toaster talk to me.
Tell you what. I will trade all my IPs (192.168.x.x) for a friggin' flying car.
Let's make it happen. I'll even have a bumper sticker, "IPv6, but my doctor says I'll be fine!" with a smiley!
Gimme my flying car.
if it were not for the increased awareness of security, this would never had happened.
There are now explosive rounds, fired from a gun, that will fly a designated distance and explode. Really useful for shooting people hiding around corners, behind walls, etc.
They are still in prototype now, and I think are part of the LandWarrior system.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Won't we need IPv7 by then?
No, we will not. The current IPv4 has approximately 4,300,000,000 (4.3 x 10^9) total addresses in its address space. IPv6, however, has 3.4 x 10^38 available addresses.
To quote from the WIDE FAQ: "If the address space of IPv4 is compared to 1 millimeter, the address space of IPv6 would be 80 times the diameter of the galactic system."
It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6.
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There is no address space shortage as reported...everywhere. -davidu
# Hack the planet, it's important.
Oh yeah, you can download IPv6 functionality for it. And then you can ping IPv6 hosts, and maybe, if you're lucky, you're using the right version of IE that supports IPv6 on 2000. W00t. I think everyone is referring to the full suite of tools. FTP, telnet, SSH (putty), IE, OE, everything. It's pretty pointless to have an IPv6 stack if none of your apps can use it.
Disclaimer: I use Linux, and it all works flawlessly, so I couldn't care less about people stuck on Windows ;)
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I hope to be 5 years older.
How slow is that?
Come on, don't they put your MAC address into your IPV6? WTF is up with that! Of course the military wants IPV6, so they can spy on everyone.
This is my sig.
I agree, we will never need anything more than IPv6...or 640K of ram...
Start with tunnel-broking, or IPv6 over IPv4.
I can recommend the BT IPv6 tunnel broker if you're in the UK...
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No, we will not. The current IPv4 has approximately 4,300,000,000 (4.3 x 10^9) total addresses in its address space. IPv6, however, has 3.4 x 10^38 available addresses.
You know that all of those RFID tags will each be getting their owm IPv6 numbers, just because some idiot thinks it's a neat idea. Or come up with some other real big waste of resources.
Which means that we'll need IPv8 or IPv10 by 2016
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Great attitude there, Rob.
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Cisco has finally released IOS 12.3 which has full support for IPv6 in a production IOS train (see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/Tech/ipv6/ ) - IPv6 has been in the 'T' train IOSes for some time. Their support now makes full use of hardware acceleration and looks very complete.
Juniper have had IPv6 in production JUNOS releases on the M-series/T-series for quite a while.
Most other vendors already have production IPv6, so in reality the router vendors aren't a roadblock. The same is now true for host OSs - Linux, Windows XP and modern Unixes have had IPv6 for a while as well. The real issue is getting applications ported (not that hard) and networks deployed.
One would think there'd be no use for IPv6 then, either. After all, there's more than one IP per person online. But in reality, IPs are not doled out fairly (which is both a technical problem (route table size) and a social one (class A's handed out like candy)).
Even with IPv6, you can bet people will still be extremely stingy when it comes to handing them out - someone will be charging for them (be it ARIN, APNIC, whoever..)
What I found more interesting than the 2008 date is the purchasing guideline that products purchased need to be IPv6 capable/compliant after October this year.
That doesn't just apply to IP device drivers, but implies that any application that deals with IP addresses, including any networked app, needs to "grok" IPv6 addresses, have expanded buffers for longer addresses, etc.
It means that the infrastructure, from DHCP to DNS to SMTP to syslog and Apache all need to be IPv6 ready in order to make it to the approved products list.
There are still a lot of products out there that don't or can't do that.
It is definitely a good thing, but the US isn't going to shift to IPv6 just because one government department has decided to use it. It will happen by people getting involved with IPv6. Jump on the 6-bone today.
www.freenet6.net, it's free.
Bill Gates said it best. "80 times the diameter of the galactic system should be enough for anybody."
Come to think of it, so will netcat, nmap, etc. if they're not already.
...simple info on IPv6: http://www.internet2.edu/resources/infosheetIPv6.p df
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Nice troll.
Playing catch-up to Unix, more like.
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Canada of course converted successfully (well, mostly) at the same time.
sulli
RTFJ.
I don't think it's going to be a huge deal for most home users. Most of the ISP's will probably have a launch date and simply send their customers update disks for the switch over. For example, when @Home (remember @Home?) bit the dust, all the Cable providers had to send their customers setup CD's for making the conversion. Well, for the switch to IPv6, I foresee a similar action being taken "Put this CD into your computer" and the CD will detect if the system is IPv6 compliant, if not, it runs the setup, and it's done. Granted, this is for the Window$ community, but the ISP tend to frown upon the *nix crowd :(
;P But I've got a feeling a member of the community will probably make a binary that will recompile the Kernel with all the necessary options :) (I would but...I just don't have the mad skillage....yet...by 2008, maybe :P)
However, switching Linux over to IPv6 isn't THAT hard, and if you're not skilled enough to do it, well...go get Window$
The J-Dog
How could we forsee a use for 3.8e38 addresses? 4 billion per person? Can computers handle this? Will they be able to? I don't really know how IP works (short of every computer is assigned one) - maybe someone can clue me in or link me? I imagine the IP is stored in each computer somewhere. Storing a unique number that large is going to suck up a lot of memory.
Remember, IP n00b - don't yell at me.
When there are more IP address than there are atoms in the universe, YOU CAN NOT USE THEM ALL UP.
How freakin' hard is that to understand?
With 340 Trillion Trillion addresses, every frikkin molecule on the planet can have it's own IP, for all I care.
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Oh, I thought at first that it was about this DoD.
[note, it really should be NAPT (network address and port translation), NAT alone is pretty harmless]
Let's say I'm the author of a voice over IP application on a platform that supports IPv6, like, say, Mac OS X. I get myself a NAPT-replacement box that I stick on the edge of my home network. It assigns an IPv6 address to each of the inner systems using 6to4. Then, when my caller wants to try to phone me, I give her my IPv6 address. She connects to that address and her magic box sets up an IPv6 tunnel to my magic box automatically. Then my magic box forwards the packets to the right machine in my network.
Add a firewall to that, and you've got something that replaces NAPT.
You could keep IPv4 NAPT as a legacy feature for inside hosts and applications that don't support IPv6 yet. But apps that do support IPv6, would not have to do any work to traverse the NAPT.
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...they start doling out blocks of 2^32 addresses to every company that asks.
We wouldn't need all of IPv4's space for a long time, if only they were assigned one (or, at most, 256) at a time.
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Yes, as it stands, with IP V6, every living person in the world could have around 4 billion IP's each. That's alot of IP's!
to link meat and cyberspace in a manner more completely than geo-tags or any other such poppycock. Didn't you watch Serial Experiments Lain??? God, what is Slashdot coming to these days.
Remember,
IPv7, for a new wonderful experience.
Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
IPv6 is picking up steam, another push like this is going to make it appear in all new computers a little bit sooner.
In every installation I've rolled out in the last few years, I've specced IPv6 support. Every network, router, interconnect, carrier and transit has had IPv6 working. Not always working very well, but enough that people didn't notice whether their traffic went over IPv6 or v4.
Solaris has had IPv6 for several years, and the current release its on by default, plug it into a network with an IPv6 router and it works. M$ is playing catch up by including it natively in XP, but it still takes some tweaking. The linux distros will have to start making it enabled by default (no more kernel recompiles), but that may be happening as I type this. More and more applications are being written as fully IPv6 aware, and most of the traditional apps like ping, FTP, traceroute and SSH are now re-written to use IPv6 when a AAAA record is returned from a DNS lookup. There still is a lot of work to be done, like fully working dynamic DNS updates, and DHCPng, route servers, and a free (as in everything) certificate system for IPSec. Every new release of every browser should check for IPv6 and use it whenever possible, M$ claims that will happen starting with their next desktop releases.
Where I've seen the most far-sighted development is in the newest generation of GSM mobile phones. All the big players are including IPv6 in their current handset designs, and the carriers are now developing value added services to sell. So its not just each phone is individually addressable, but can roam onto competing carriers networks and still have a globally accessible address. Internally, every carrier in Europe with 2.5G/3G services is running IPv6 for everything (except for a few dinosaurs about to be extinct). The other big area is giving each credit card with a smart chip (anti-fraud and verification chip) a range of IPv6 addresses. When the card is put into a reader or used for an online purchase, the chip will actively participate in the verification step by being uniquely addressable and requesting end-to-end encryption. There were several card manufacturers showing off their tiny IPv6 stacks at a recent smartcard trade show.
As I've pointed out in a post months ago, many ISPs here in Europe are making IPv6 available for early adopters, in the hopes of riding the next wave to some higher margins. I've had clients ask me for advice on getting onto the "new internet", because they didn't want to get left behind on the "old and obsolete internet". Then I point out how they are already on it, and my installations use the "new internet" whenever possible.
IPv6 is here, it works, and soon consumers will make it a "must-have" item when buying a new computer. When that starts happening, then techies with a few years of solid IPv6 experience will be sought after for their skills.
the AC
working with IPng/IPv6 since 1994
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
so I could assign an IP to the inbox on my desk? wow.. I've always wanted to refer to items in the real world as numbers.. Now I'll be able to do that, without using NAT :-)
-Joshua
that means each person would need 4 billion things.
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I think someone needs to change ISP's :-)
Either that, or keep asking them questions that you already know the answers to and see what kinda of responses you get.
-Joshua
340 trillion trillion (340 septillion or 3.4 * 10^26) is only about the number of Hydrogen molecules in a kilo-liter at standard temperature and pressure give or take a single order of magnitude.
Though not sure where you came up with the 340 trillion trillion to begin with.
If the parent post is correct you're about 12 orders of magnitude off. I think you meant 340 trillion trillion trillion, or 340 undecillion.
"If they have both, tell them we use Linux. And if they have that, tell them the computers are down." -Dave Chapelle
"It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6."
baring an artificial scarcity. Like somebody buys 300 trillion trillion of them. You think thats unlikly, but if some company offered everybody on te board of "whoever will hand these out" 10 million dollars, do you honestly think they would run into a problem getting them?
Hell, if I had the money to do so, I would the resale on these would be huge.
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Crucially, in the header for the new protocol version there are 128 bits for senders and recipients. That equates to several quadrillion IP addresses for every individual alive.
:(
oh well, w/ that many available ip addresses, i'll hopefully be able to get a static IP thru my service provider...(if several quadrillion time the worlds population is enough to allow for that)
Damn, thats it...I was hoping for at least a quintillion
My potato gun was confiscated by the United Nations. They said I wasn't allowed to have weapons of mash destruction.
Oddly enough, NAT's natural firewall characteristics generally make life hard for filetraders behind them, or for any other program that needs to allow people outside the NAT to connect to the people inside, especially on unusual ports. Sure, you can always forward ports - provided you have access to the NAT configuration and you don't have multiple people behind them needing the same ports.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
I had a BTExact tunnel on my home lan at one point and BT gave me 15 trillion addresses.... I'm already way over my 4 billion.
If i wanted to use all them then i'd even have to dig out that 486 laptop from under my bed.
It's not enough i tell ya.
All your base 10 are belong to us.
"I've been called worse things by better people." -Pierre Elliott Trudeau after being called an asshole by Richard Nixon
OK, this is very funny. IP addys for every bullet. But listen gang, the ISPs have been tight fisted with IP addresses for so long that most of you young-uns don't even remember the day when anyone with a router could count on a Class-C or even B to themselves. Those days are LONG gone; now you get DSL and you pay for ONE frigging static IP address, and if you want anything like a big chunk of a Class-C you have to pay serious cash. Monthly. And upgrade? You want more? Well all the IPs on either side of your teeny tiny block were sold to other shmoes already, so if you want more you get a whole new block. So you better get more than you think you will need...ever...or else everytime you run over your public IP space you will need to reconfig your entire public facing Internet presence to a new block.
But you know what, that's not really a technology limit, that's a BUSINESS MODEL.
Watch this. When they finally go over to IPv6 and later install your new DSL, know what the knee-biting bastards will do? First, they will charge you MORE for a basic DSL with dynamic IP because now it is the new-fangled IPv6 (new=$$$). Then they will assign you a SINGLE IP addy from their store of 128 trillion. And they will assign IP addresses this way in SEQUENCE to all subscribers so that as soon as you get yours you are boxed in by other subscribers just getting theirs. You know they will, it will be a strategic decision to completely undermine the freedom you SHOULD have when there are about 1 billion IP addresses for every human alive on earth.
The only way around this would be to issue IP blocks to physical locations on the earth, so no matter where you are you have all the IP addresses reservered for that square meter of dirt, and if you have a large home/office/company then you have a big block indeed. ISPs would be forced to backbone their entire geographic area, including the whole planet if they are big enough.
As a business model it sucks big wind. But I like it as an end user.
Wire the planet. Freedom to connect! No more IP address space tyranny!!
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
For those not in the know, here is a brief article Explaining the benefits of IPV6.
One of the big differences between the GOSIP OSI stack (which failed in the market) and IPv6 (which might succeed) was that GOSIP was big, clumsy, generally didn't work, and didn't have lots of applications, while TCP/IP was much lighter weight and had lots of commercial support by vendors and lots of people really developing useful applications (like FTP and SMTP as opposed to X.400.) It's possible that the same thing will happen to IPv6, but if Microsoft and Cisco support it and the DoD's DNS servers support it, it's got a chance of working.
Bill Stewart
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take the reciprocal of that numberand you get how many seconds since the original slashdot debut of this topic
Won't we need IPv7 by then?
No, we will not. The current IPv4 has approximately 4,300,000,000 (4.3 x 10^9) total addresses in its address space. IPv6, however, has 3.4 x 10^38 available addresses.
We may need IPv7 addresses if short sighted ISPs forget to reserve address space for other planets, solar systems and galaxies.
"It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6." Yet.
He who laughs last is stuck in a time dilation bubble.
"Gimme ae ah..litre a' Cola."
"A what?"
"A litre a' Cola."
"Litre a' Cola...do we make litre a' Cola?"
Yeah, the kid had it coming...:)
that depends, maybe he was talking about an UK/Germany trillion:
n 1: (in Britain and Germany) the number that is represented as a one followed by 18 zeros;
and you were talking about an US/France trillion:
2: (in the United States and France) the number that is represented as a one followed by 12 zeros; "in England they call a trillion a billion"
I'm a chainsmokin' alcoholic sociopath, so-ci-o-path
Yes yes, but what's that in Libraries of Congress?
>> It is simply not feasible that we will ever need anything more than IPv6. Isn't that what: Bill Gates "blah blah blah 640k blah blah" Car Manufactures in 1950s "blah blah 6 volts blah blah" Jenny Craig "blah blah Fat and points blah blah"
Maybe you read it the first time when it was called Pentagon Wants IPv6 by 2008. I know that Yahoo! isn't exactly known for their great reporting skills but come on folks... sheesh. And its dupes like this that keep my crummy news suggestions from getting accepted.
Second, that essay sucks. For instance, a pint is not 250ml, but 568ml. The reason people order pints of beer instead of 568ml (or even a half-litre) is mostly historical, but it's also because it's handy to have a nice short name for a measure you use often. If they had used metric for beer all along, then people would have needed a short nickname for a half-litre, and perhaps they would have called it a pint. It's the same way we call kilometres "clicks", and it has nothing to do with base 10, or fractions, or "number theory" as you say.
This guy goes on to say:
No, we are most certainly not back where we started from. If you like to give a name to 3/7 of a metre, that's your business, but I like the fact that I can do mental math in metric, and convert units just by sliding the decimal point.
For example, if I'm travelling at 31km/h, what is that in metres per second? It turns out the hardest part of that calculation is converting hours into seconds, which involves dividing by 3.6. As far as mental arithmetic goes, it doesn't get much harder than that. There's your precious number threory for you. And it only gets worse if you try to turn 31mph into feet per second.
In contrast, if my car uses 7.3 litres of fuel per 100km, what is that in millilitres per km? It's 73. It's so simple you can do it in your head, and get your answer with as much precision as you want, so long as you are capable of sliding the decimal point properly for each unit conversion.
Later, we find this demented little nugget:
The problem here, if you'll take a moment to think about it, is that the authors of these cookbooks are not using the metric system. If they were, the problem would disappear. (In fact, if they would use any consistent system, the problem would disappear.)
How the author manages to blame this on the metric system is beyond my comprehension.
The best part comes next. I think my whole attitude on this "essay" can be focused on this one small quote:
You don't need to read anything else in this essay---even the rest of this paragraph, where he goes on to say that people buy wood in 120cm lengths---because it's all here. Nobody cares if you can't divide a metre into 3, just like nobody cares if you can'
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
.. read the headline as "US DoD Committed to iPod". I can just picture a kid getting caught offguard because he ws playing breakout on his iPod while he was supposed to be guarding the WMD Evidence Construction site.
___
Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.
What is to prevent the independant ISPs from switching thier systems over?
.mil is going IPv6 in 2008, does that mean the rest of the net waits until then?
I believe that cisco already supports IPv6 on most (all?) of thier equipment. There are IPv6 packages for most OS, and you can support IPv6 and IPv4 simultaneously if neccessary.
Is it neccessary for the smaller guys to wait?
If
That seems a little ass backwards to me.
Read, L
Multicast exists in IPv4 as well, but no ISPs support it since no one's worked out a pricing model for it yet.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
It is not all ISPs that are for this.
Looking at the list of witnesses who were 'for' and 'against' the bill in Texas, it is the cable companies, and the RIAA that are for it, and Telcos (and many other sane people) that are against it.
Both the cable companies and the telcos are ISPs. One of the reasons the cable companies are against it is that thier business model (and as a result their network architecture) is predicated on a per machine fee; NAT gets around this. When too many people get on the local loop (and that loop is quite large) their network sux hind tit.
Telcos, on the other hand, are selling the idea of using NAT on their DSL networks (one package I saw included a Blue-Tooth device to connect multiple machines to the net in the home).
Telcos got it right and engineered for large bandwidth operations - they will soon be offering full duplex DSL (if they don't already) with static IPs.
Cable companies will continue to piss off their customers - unless, of course, they can force everyone else to play by their rules - so everyone can be pissed off at them...
How I agregate my network behind my firewall is my business; if a provider wants to enforce the idea of a completely open (open as in unsecure) network, then I will take my business to a provider who values my desire for security and privacy.
{end frothing at the mouth}
Lodragan Draoidh
The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
I was wondering if anybody had a good link to a plain understandable real world little theory as necessary document on IPv6. I found a tunnel broker, don't know how to use it, can't find reasonable documentation, (no, the IPv6 howto doesn't tell me what I'm looking for). I just want to assign my currently external IPv4 gentoo server at work a IPv6 addy. How do I do that, and, perhaps moreover, why would I want to (besides, heh, cool, I can ping this big blob of stuff I can't remember). And how will it eventually be implemented. Who will hand out IPv6 blocks? Like with IPv4 now?
I haven't posted in so long, my sig is out of date.
...was telling the audience (mostly non-technical) about IPv6.
He mentioned how many addresses, and then asked if anyone knew what that meant.
He said that it would mean there would be enough for every frickin appliance, and it could run Java on it, and did anyone know what THAT meant?
Of course no one was supposed to have any answers, it was almost all PHBs there (I got dragged along to man a cursed booth).
So I raised my hand and said "So you can get up in the morning and reboot your toaster?"
EVERYONE burst out laughing!
ie wrong is anything but the way the US does it? Or do you have a better argument there?
I really can't see a lot of difference in practical terms.
Nice try, but your flawed "billion" of 100 million is, in fact, metric-based.
The proper system is
million == thousand thousand.
billion == million million
trillion == billion billion.
etc
It's really not that difficult! But then, it does stop you from making figures seem more impresive than they are when you use your flawed system...
People should not be afraid of their governments - Governments should be afraid of their people.
Think how much easier routing would be. Unfortunately, tracing would be just as easy...
I have only seen routers using multicast to communicate. There are almost no applications using it, and almost no firewalls permitting it.
Even with IPv6, you can bet people will still be extremely stingy when it comes to handing them out
...granted, the 1/8th of the address space being given out is 4.25*10^37 addresses
...but it is still 1/8th damnit!!!!
:)
You are correct sir...only 1/8 of the IPv6 address space is going to be given out initially as unicast addresses.
About 86% of the addresses will be unassigned.
Straight from RFC3513 - IPv6 Addressing Architecture, p17
"The Metrics has you!" - J4m35 C4r73r
"What is the Metrics?" - R0n41d "The ONE" R34g4n
True, this is off topic, but very interesting nonetheless. Thanks for the information!
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Sounds longer. Must be better!
Japan has given a deadline of 2005 for IPv6 adoption. After that Europe and then, later, the U.S. will also start to adopt. There's a fresher article from this week, but I can't find it again.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
This link has some good info from the guys making these decisions: http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr2003 0613-0274.html
How about browsing the word choice chapter of The American Heritage® Book of English Usage at bartleby.com. There's even an entry which explains the difference between "it's" and "its".
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Cognitive Overflow
more than yo
> I'dPv8, but I'd get sued by the Campbell Soup corp
/. that I've never seen before; that's a pretty good one :)
Wow, a joke on
> Windows will be on the forefront of the technological revolution
> Playing catch-up to Unix, more like.
Oh, really? I didn't realize that there were 50 million UNIX users on the Internet in 1995. I had mistakenly thought that it grew so friggin fast because Average people started buying PCs after Windows came out. But what do I know, I'm just an observer (who, BTW, uses UNIX, but that does not mean I blanket-insult everything else).
Hours don't have 3.6 Seconds it's 3600=60MinX60Sec.
;-)
and 7.3Liter is 7300 mililiter.
you needed two more spaces to slide to the left.
Where ever you go, There you are
I'm probably not alone in this -- I guess many people of my age (almost 40) have the same problem.
When I was in primary school, we never learned the imperial measurements (aka the English system, or whatever). We learned metric, because by 1980 the country was going to have converted, and there was no point in teaching something that was going to be obsolete in 6 years. As a result, unlike my parents, I never learned by rote how many gills there are to a peck, or more usefully, how many feet are in a mile. I learned something in school that I never used, and was surrounded by measurements that I was never formally taught.
As the previous poster pointed out, President Reagan suspected that metric was a communist/socialist plot against traditional American values and measures, and suppressed all funding for US metrication.
Since I'm not a complete idiot, I've been able to get by, but I still have to think hard about the boiling point of water in degrees F, or the number of yards to a mile. Similarly, although I know how many centimeters there are to a kilometer, I have a tough time visualizing either one, or relating to a weather forcast in Europe (or Canada!)
It's ironic, since the US was one of the first nations to adopt a decimal currency, getting rid of the pounds-shilling-pence-farthing system long ago.
The point isn't to cut the board into thirds, the point is to cut the board so it fits whatever the carpenter is trying to build! THAT'S WHAT RULERS ARE FOR. The board could also be 100cm long and you'd still be limited to the markings on your ruler to get within a 1/6th of CM or whatever the fuck your sticking point is.
Jesus fucking christ, I need aspirin.
Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
places like New York, Houston, Dallas, LA, etc. are running out. They've had to spilt area codes to handle the load. You have to dial all 10 digits now just to call your next door neighbor.
Some of the largest cities are proposing adding another digit right now to relieve the problem..
Dude, what I'm trying to say is that 1/3 is not an irrational number.
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....