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Lieberman Pleased With Video Game Ratings
Babbster writes "GamesAreFun.com is reporting that Senators Joseph Lieberman and Herb Kohl are pleased with the ESRB ratings system for video games and specifically praise the changes being made to ESRB labels effective September 15th. A lot must have changed at the ESRB in the last seven months since both these men wanted congressional hearings on video game ratings."
First educate people, then rate programs or films.
I believe rating system does not solve problem. I just another goverment cartel to control someting.
Everyting is up to you. If sometings go wrong don't blame ratings, games, films etc.
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how come this guy is only a moralist when he's not running for national office?
does anyone remember the First X-rated video game in the 80s? (for Atari) It was basically VERY bad quality porn.
Does anybody care about these ratings anyway? Dealers? Parents? Buyers?
Martin
it should be.
In order to limit legislation for which only those lobbyists with deep pockets can provide direction, we must police ourselves.
Anytime a politician can form an astroturf campaign out of something like this, we all lose; the effects of legislation always exceed its initial bounds.
This could, on the other hand, be parlayed into a first ammendment case.
This is a bad sign. If they are happy with what's going on, it's going to be horrible for the freedom of gamers everywhere. Nothing the ESRB does is beneficial for people that wish to think for themselves.
"[We'll be] really getting inside your head and making it an unpleasant place to be" -- Trent Reznor
Interesting to note: for Quake and Quake II, they gave them "Animated Blood & Gore,Animated Violence".
But then for the latest version, Quake III Team Arena, they gave it "Blood and Gore,Violence" - I guess the animation became good enough to be considered realistic. Technology is making progress.
Mind you, the original Lemmings got "No Descriptors", even though you can nuke a large number of the cute little guys at once...
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I always thought the covers of video games constituted a decent rating system all by themselves. It's not as if a parent is going to look at the cover of Vice City and think "Oh, this looks like a great game for little Billy!" or buy something whose cover is on a par with Super Monkey Ball 2 and have it turn out to be more along the lines of Soldier of Fortune. But I guess there's no accounting for poor judgment.
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I believe that Lieberman and Kohl likes the improvements planned by ESRB because they are going to a rating system similar to what the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) implemented some time ago, namely giving clear and descriptive reasons on why a movie get a G, PG, PG-13, R or NC-17 rating.
This is something I actually like, because parents will know clearly why certain games rated by the ESRB as M are not advisable for those under 18 (strong violence, explicit sexuality in various forms, strong language, and so on).
A lot must have changed at the ESRB in the last seven months since both these men wanted congressional hearings on video game ratings.
You mean, "A lot of money must have changed hands".
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we all know that his primary concern is to get into the pocketbooks of soccer moms, left and right. he is the senator from a state that depends heavily on defense contracting, has the city that ranks second in the nation in poverty (hartford), a school system in shambles, an unbalanced budget, a governor who has just been fined for the second time in 9 years for ethical improprieties (accepting gifts) and whose campaign team is headed by another convicted bribe-taker, where mayors of two major cities have either gone to jail for graft or are about to do so. he was until recently a ranking member of a far-right religious organization which procured funding for emigration-to-israel projects. (he quit that group when he started campaigning for prez.) and, remember that he pounded the lectern demanding censorship of the internet when running with gore.
the senator has done diddly for his state. he comes from a state where political corruption is business-as-usual and he is part & parcel of that package. he will do the same for the country, while lining his own pockets, if elected president. don't just not vote for this guy, work against him.
mp
Waterbury CT (37 yrs for the mayor for having sex with 8 & 10 yr-old girls, now waiting for his corruption trial to begin)
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I have always been curious as to whether or not parents are really using these systems. Certainly parents find out about certain games such as Grand Theft Auto and restrict the purchase of those games, but on the whole do parents really look at stuff like Command and Conquer, Half Life 2, and Star Wars Galaxies and say ('hmmmm... I should check the rating on this')? There are many very violent games that kinda squeek through the system unchecked would be my guess.
I don't know why, but Lieberman reminds me of the dad on that old TV show ALF. I can even imagine an entire episode devoted to the wrongness of playing Grand Theft Auto III.
According to the current You Decide feature at KQED.org, some experts claim that the current rating system has had "limited success". That is, even though the ratings may be appropriate for the games, they are rarely, if ever enforced. Of course, others disagree altogether:
"Parents found 13 percent of the games rated 'E' to be clearly objectionable for children 3-7. This year [parents] would have assigned an 'M' to 31 percent of the 'T' games. Our parents think that the ESRB is starting to rate 'on a curve.'"
The design of the games cover tells you what market they are targetting. Look at the cover of Quake III Arena. Clearly they aren't targetting 6-year-olds.
Plus covers usually have screenshots because - duh - screenshots sell games. You can judge for yourself what the game is like by looking at the screenshot.
The reason ratings exist have nothing to do with parental judgement calls. Any parent with half a brain can look at Vice City and clearly see that it's not a good game for young children and it's likely to have violence that will be too scary for them.
What it boils down to is lazy, stupid parents who let their kids buy or rent games without looking at the cover first. If you want to be the judge of what your kids play and don't play then *you* (yes, YOU) have to look at what they're playing. But now, instead, you can just say 'hey, I'm not going to let you play any game rather over E (everyone) or any game rated M (for mature) or T (for teen) or whatever.
I, for one, wouldn't trust such systems. I, and I alone, will be the judge of what games my kids play. Why do you need a ratings system if you *know* your kids are playing. Simply set down the hard-and-fast rule that I'm not going to let you play a game until I see the game cover or the game itself. My father took me to "R" rated movies. He based his decision on what movies I should see based on their *content* and not on their rating. If he felt the movie had themes that were too mature, I didn't get to see those movies. If the movie got an "R" rating due to language, then, oh well, words never hurt anyone -- especially when I reached the age to know how to use my own discretion in choosing words to be used in polite conversation.
It is both the right and responsibility of a parent to decide what content is and is not too mature for their level of development. Not some stupid ratings board.
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I have done some computer-related work for ESRB two years ago and here's what I saw: :) If you were an adult you could ask for them.
Three or more indpendent (meaning they don't work for ESRB) testers/viewers look at game footage and check-off presence or lack of different flags - like how many times vulgar language is used, nudity, realistic violence, etc. I can go on for hours describing what they look for, but the key is that it's people like you and me who come in and rate these games. They (testers) have no relationship with video game companies nor do they work for ESRB. Once they are done rating, another batch of outside people come in and rate other games.
ESRB gets paid by game companies that want their games rated. It's a small price to pay since it gets them off the hook since ESRB label clearly indicates what's inside the game and it's no one's fault but parents' if they fail to read the label. Some game companies WANT their rating raised to a higher level - if it's for older crowd, it must be good!? (well, not always but that's how most kids who ask they parents to buy these games think) Others will try to lower their rating so it's suited for a bigger audience. They may remove blood or make blood green instead of "realistic" red.
ESRB employees are pretty cool and love games. They are not there to prevent games from being released but work to assist parents with the purchases. Games are not like magazines. You can't just flip through the pages and determine in seconds if it's ok for your kid to read. And I don't know many parents who will play entire game just to see if it's ok for their kid before giving it to them.
Most libraries have children's sections where no "adult" books or material could be found. Parents could feel safe leaving their kids there to read or look at books that they may want to borrow. It just happens that I worked at a public library when I was in HS. We had a children's section AND we had stacks (basement section) where older books and adult material was kept. I am talking about Playboy and Penthouse here
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We had a small problem with homeless people borrowing Penthouse and other material and "reading" it in the bathroom.
The problem with the rating system is the ESRB is so hypocritical. Alice, the game where evil/demented Alice returns to Wonderland and hacks up card guards with a knife along with other "wicked" stuff is only rated T for teen. The game has blood, gore, it might as well have Alice stripping. Yet, it's rated teen.
Now let's look at Kingpin, filled with racial slurs, lead pipe bludgeonings, f**k in every line, murder, gore, blood, the works. Kingpin even had a yellow tape around it that said "For 18 Years of Age ONLY," when it shipped. Stores were supposed to put it on the top shelf and only sell it to adults. Yet, it's rated M for Mature (17+), not Adults Only.
Finally there is Duke Nukem, Mr. Lieberman's "favorite" scapegoat. If you guys remember he was the first to lobby to the ESRB that the game be boosted from mature to adults only because it had nudity. His case didn't go through, but as far as I know, Duke is the only game that really had and pushed nudity. IIRC, Lieberman lost his case because of the "adult mode" integration.
Never-the-less, I know there is hypocrisy in the ratings, but how does it run? By company, by genre, by name? We need a more impartial rating company, that isn't comprised of Nielsen raters and people like Joe Lieberman.
Without Sens. Lieberman and the other guy, I wouldn't be able to tell exactly which kind of violence I'm getting in my games. This will make it much easier to feed my psychosis on a budget. Who says the government doesn't know what it's doing?
You post on slashdot, so I am skeptical of your story involving sex and a girlfriend.
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