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Netscape 7.1 Released
Phil writes "Netscape has just released the eagerly-awaited Netscape 7.1 (previously known by its codename, 'Buffy') for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The new version is based on Mozilla 1.4, which is due out later today. Netscape 7.1 features many improvements over 7.02 including even better CSS support, spam filters, find-as-you-type, automatic image resizing, more customization via about:config, Web development tools, Palm synchronization and more. Plus, for the first time, ChatZilla (Mozilla's IRC client) is included in the full install. More information can be found at Netscape Browser Central and in this MozillaZine article. The release is available from Netscape's download page, via FTP or on CD."
shift click reload, pulls a new version the page
I'm a cucumber
Mozilla 1.4 is out too. jason
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Have a good day?! Impossible! I'm at work!
There may be other features that are hidden or disabled as well, but that's enough for me to go with the Mozilla flavor.
Subscribers can see articles in the future? So what? Everyone gets to see them in the future.
Then again, those same people probably remember Netscape as that crappy old browser that didn't display tables (and more) properly, and was eventually beaten by Internet Explorer.
Is Epiphany 0.73, the popular gnome browser. The fonts don't suck either thanks to gtk2/xft/vera/fontconfig. Screenshot
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Proprietary AOL/Netscape.net mail access. Netscape logos, spell checker (spell checker can be added on to mozilla)
Now only if Netscape had a full screen feature like IE does. It has (as has Mozilla - been there for ages). Just press F11 and you get the same deal as with IE.
A reload that doesn't reload everything is very useful if you don't want to spend time reloading all the graphics on a page too. On a page like the /. front page, the difference on a slow line can be 3 seconds versus 30 seconds.
It's also useful if a page is incomplete.
More of interest with the Netscape release is
a) What has changed from the previous version of Netscape, and
b) What has changed from the corresponding version of Mozilla that it's built on.
If it's just adding the same AOL add-ons (or should I say ad-ons?) to a newer version of Mozilla than before, I'd say move on, there's nothing to see here.
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How long did it take to delete those? Oh about 3 seconds... I forgot about them already.
Try Mozilla, same thing minus aol stuff.
Reload does really do a reload, but I think it may just compare the timestamps and only get a fresh copy if the page has actually changed. Shift-reload, reloads everything, including images, stylesheets etc. whether they are cached at proxies or not.
Press F11 in Mozilla 1.4, and you get a full screen, just like IEs.
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Better, actually, as the address bar is still there.
Moz's (and NS's) form function is great. Different from IE's, but still great.
Does this not do what you want???
> Back in my Windows days IE never really got my attention -- it was always Netscape (up to 4.79 was decent).
Hah! Anyone who says the 4.x version of Netscape were decent never tried to develop for them and still maintain compatibility with IE (yes, it might be Microsoft's fault, but IE became the defacto standard due to its heavy adoption). At least modern versions of Netscape renders pages and Javascript correctly now.
I worked at a University, and we COULDN'T WAIT to get rid of Netscape because people would bitch about some pages not working (mostly DHTML problems). Pretty much all those pages work in IE and Moz/NS6+.
Netscape 4.x was a pile of shit. I challenge you to install it and use it for awhile. You'll be begging for the advanced rendering features of Lynx in no time.
The principle difference these days between the two is that the NS branded version has a spell checker, radio (Spinner) and AIM client built in and offers to installs stuff like Shockwave, JRE, WinAmp etc. It also is supported in the sense that security issues see new point releases whereas you must wait for the next Mozilla release to pick up the change. Otherwise they are almost identical. I notice you can even install the JS debugger and DOM inspector via a 'developer pack' option.
1) Executives might be willing to try Netscape, but not Mozilla, due to name recognition.
2) Mail client can check AOL accounts & Netscape webmail accounts
3) Integrated AIM. There's integrated ICQ too, but it's worthless as it uses the same UI as AIM (i.e. no single message mode).
4) Spellcheck (yes it's available as an addon to Mozilla)
5) Java and the most popular plugins are included. So it's easier for the average person to set up.
6) Probably not the case on this release due to simultaneous releases, but in the past, Netscape took stable Mozilla branches and did futher bugfixes before releasing, resulting in a better product.
I'd use Netscape over Mozilla if they'd just leave in the "Block Images from Server" option in Netscape.
This isn't a problem with IE. Most Dynamic Content sites, like Slashdot, or Discussion Boards have a Header that turns off cache for the page.
"Cache-Control: no-cache"
Have fun...
Netscape has SNS support for AOL/Netscape/Compuserve users. SNS passes the AOL login to sites which need to authenticate - sort of a "single sign-on for the web". Very cool if you're an AOL user.
Mozilla adds popup blocking support.
I haven't tried the new Mozilla or Netscape yet, but in using Mozilla 1.4a vs. Netscape 7.0 on Solaris 8 Mozilla wins hands down. Netscape will take several seconds to regain any control quite often, and the integrated AIM client just hangs for 10 seconds or so before (slowly) responding. Those sort of things may be fixed in Netscape 7.1, but I haven't tried it yet...
Basically Moz / NS tries to do the expected thing by default, but sites are inconsistent about their expiry settings and sometimes it doesn't work the way you think it should.
there is the random anomalous person i see using netscape 4.x (almost always not on windows). i don't know anyone using netscape 7.x. fortunately most of the more tech-savvy people i know are using mozilla (or i gently recommend it every now and then).
on a related note, why use netscape 7 over mozilla? perhaps the integration is a little better, but i don't see anything essential in netscape7 that i can't get out of mozilla. plus with mozilla i get much more frequent releases and the option to grab a nightly or build my own (granted these last two options don't interest that many people). as an added bonus you lose the "netscape activation" and all that bundled AOL crap.
Xfce: Lighter than some, heavier than others. Just right.
Simple.
After 4, Netscape decided to release Communicator as open source. The project, NS 5.0, was worked on for a few months before it was decided to rebuild from scratch with the Mozilla project.
The first NS bundle from Mozilla was Nestcape 6 PR 1--which was bad. Later NS6 versions--6 PR2, 6.0, 6.1, and 6.2, were built on better versions of Mozilla. But they had a very bad image, due to the Preview Releases. Thus, NS 7 was released, which is just a latter version of Mozilla repackaged.
Web development and palm sync are optional features. The fact that they exist in no way effects your install if you choose not to install them.
Mail/News - optional
Address Book - optional
Web Development Tools - optional
IRC Client - optional
Java - optional
Plugins - optional
Palm Sync - optional
Any other stuff only in Netscape releases - optional
The only things that are required to be installed are the browser and Composer. Composer is required because text entry boxes in the browser use the same code Composer uses.
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prob bad qa on their part, but that line is not correct.
CB
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I find the prefbar handy for such things. It has a Clear Cache button. The newer versions even have checkboxes for turning caching off.
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MyIM will remove those icons, as well as the ads on the AIM window. Also provides logging features. Doesn't work with AIM 5.x.
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Using Netscape 7.1 for Windows (I am at work, ok?) I still can't vote in a poll properly (pop-up appears, but the vote data is loaded in main window, leaving pop-up blank).
Unrequested pop-ups are not being blocked.
I guess this is going into the "Recycle Bin" in the next minute or two...
Note that if you are running a nat with squid, you may have caching enabled. I found out that my squid config was caching and causing heck trying to participate in online forums, I couldn't see my own posts because they were caching. Also some ISP's by default pipe port 80 through a proxy.
Get 'em before the rush:
l la 1.4/
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozi
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
In the Release notes, Linux users need to be aware of the following:
- Pages with Flash will, in worst cases, crash or hang your browser.
- Netscape will hang if a Flash plugin tries to play audio and the audio device is already in use
- Flash may crash with Exported X Display
- Java is not included with the Linux installer for Netscape 7.1. Download Java version 1.4.2 or later at the Java web site
- You may encounter problems if you install Netscape in a root user environment then run as another user.
- Loading a page that contains a Flash plugin may cause Netscape to lock up if you are using an audio application.
Everyone else need to be aware of the following:
- For security reasons, Netscape does not allow connections to certain ports. To override this on a per-port basis, add a comma separated list of ports to defaults/all.js
- POP email becomes unusable if the profile is stored on a network drive.
- Stll no NTFS Support
- Netscape does not warn the user of a low disk space condition.
- Netscape may temporarily hang during LDAP autocomplete if network connectivity is broken.
- Do not share a profile between Netscape and Mozilla browsers. Doing this can lead to unpredictable results, which may include loss of Search settings and preferences and unchecked growth of the Bookmarks file (large enough to freeze your system).
- When visiting a SSL enabled site, the lock icon will take on a yellow background, and will not indicate the strength of the SSL encryption used, whether it is 40 bit, 56 bit, or 128 bit.
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Netscape has had pop up blocking since 7.02. AOL is also trumpeting pop-up blocking software with its service now.
Please try to make informed statements.
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I too was prepared to call this code bloat, but really this is part of a larger trend - the application as an integration portal.
There classic route with browsers has been standard, standard, standard. This is great for service deployment. When browsers first hit the scene, companies jumped on it because it drastically cut their support and development costs. No longer a Mac version, a linux version, a sun version etc., just one 'web' version.
The problem though, is that browsers are limited in what they can do in a standard fashion. What browsers like Mozilla will allow you to do as a corporate application developer is to deploy applications built to perform on virtual machine of sorts (namely Mozilla).
You get the benefits of standardization with the advantages of a closer platform specific integration.
Companies will be slow to adopt this approach, but the 'portal' as a concept is rapidly approaching the limitis of what can be achieved with a standard web browser features.
My predicition: We'll see the platform war all over again, except the M$ contender will be Explorer and not Windows *.
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Try this on for size: Mozilla Firebird.
I don't know RH8, but I'd venture a guess that it's due to GTK versions. I can't find what version of GTK thunderbird requires, but RH8's is probably just a little old. Thunderbird probably uses GTK2, which for Mandrake requires a separate set of RPMs than GTK 1.x. Good luck.
Developers: We can use your help.
Kiosk mode and full-screen mode are two different things.
Full-screen mode is for full-screen operation.
Kiosk mode is full-screen plus lots of lockdown options. Search bugzilla for more information on the kiosk mode development. It's in development.
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View->Show/Hide->Navigation Toolbar, voila, no more address bar. Google also has tons of projects, tips&trick and howtos on tailoring Mozilla especially for a kiosk environment.
1.4 final is indeed the same as 1.4 RC3 -- the only change is a name change. Source: moz developer IRC channel.
One simple rule for its versus it's
Not entirely pointless.... gfx do change occassionally, and they could have the same filename, and not doing a full reload causes you to not see things correctly. Granted, it is not the norm, but reload intuitively would mean, reload, and not half-way reload.
You will never "find" time for anything. You must "make" it.
According to the roadmap, after releasing a stable version on which other browsers can be based, they're moving away from Seamonkey (the suite) to an architecture like that of Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird.
I've read Grocklaw. BoycottNovell, you're no Grocklaw
I e-mailed him a direct link to the latest Mozilla exe file to allow him to block popups.
IMO Popups blocked and tabbed browsing are two major advantages of Mozilla over IE.
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There's an experimental Beonex (a browser based upon Mozilla, just like Netscape) build out there somewhere that already has this feature working.