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Dreamworks, Sinbad & Linux

Ex-MislTech writes "Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas, an animated movie from DreamWorks Animation Technology that hits theaters July 2, is the first Hollywood production created entirely on Linux. More than 250 Hewlett-Packard workstations running Red Hat Linux make up the core of DreamWorks' graphics platform."

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  1. They call those Sirens? by svenjob · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The least technologically advanced "feature" I've ever heard a company boast about.
    "Each Siren has 16 strands of hair"
    Alright... 16 strands of hair? I thought modern computer graphics were up to thousands of strands. Am I missing something here? Maybe 16,000? Anyways, it's good to see Linux in the mianstream like this. Eventhough I use Windows and Mac OSX for work and school, linux still finds a way to get into my life.
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  2. I'm confused!! by TrollBridge · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So it's OK for the movie industry to use Linux to CREATE movies, but it's not OK for us to use Linux to VIEW movies...

    That makes about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine.

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    1. Re:I'm confused!! by fobbman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      YOUR confused? Considering the ongoing hatred of the MPAA, I don't know if I should see this movie or not.

  3. Re:Linux Quality by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's all about the cost savings - they've used Unix before, but this makes it less expensive to crank up the number of computers involved. Really, this isn't that big a story. It's well-known that Linux is becoming the platform of choice for this specific application...

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  4. uhm by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are better ways to do that, man.

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  5. Sigh... mod me down by pVoid · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Animating Sinbad proved a demanding test of the Linux operating system.

    In other news:

    "Making coffee proved a very difficult task for my Ford Explorer."

    1. Re:Sigh... mod me down by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What has linux got anything to do with anything here? it's an OS not a rendering suite!!!

      Too bad nobody modded you down. Oh well, perhaps there are others who don't know that essentially the whole animation industry has gone to Linux, or is in the process of doing so. That includes writing open source tools specifically to run on, and enhance the usability of Linux as an animation platform. Ever heard of Film Gimp? There are some open source compositing tools as well, I've heard. There's also Sweep, a slick little sound editing program that was apparently supported by the animation company that did most of Lord of the Rings.

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    2. Re:Sigh... mod me down by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That wasn't his point. He was responding to this:

      Sinbad's numerous ocean scenes created a daunting technological task. If animators had created the film's oceans segment by segment (as in the past), it could have added years to the movie's production time. By using Linux, the DreamWorks effects department was able to create a rolling oceanscape rather than compose the ocean frame by frame.

      His point was valid. Animators might be moving to linux en masse; that's fine. But to claim that linux itself is able to do things graphically that other OSes can't is just ridiculous. Linux may be cheaper than the alternatives, but let's not pretend that the underlying technology is so much better than say SGI that you can do things graphically on linux that you are unable to do on SGI.

      Or are you really claiming that whatever technique they used to render the oceans couldn't be done on anything other than linux?

  6. Re:Ironic... Give me a break folks. by neildiamond · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These always make me laugh. "How come the IBM Linux commercial is only on Windows Media not some open source codec that only we know about..."

    It is not irony. There are two major reasons for this:
    1. It is marketing. Most people still have windows and will until Linux wins out on the desktop for average users.

    2. Avid or whatever they use for edting outputs in whatever the video format guy knows how to use. Most TV producers are not computer scientists and don't see the irony and/or don't care.

  7. So? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Have they created any patches? Have then released them?

    If not, what have they contributed to linux (or GNU, or X or KDE or GNOME or...)? Anyone answering "credibility", please go on to explain how encouraging other studios to use linux farms without contributing back helps linux. Anyone thinking that this helps fund Red Hat, please quote where it says that they bought distros or support, rather than doing it in house.

    Hearing about people using linux doesn't do anything for me. My mother could use it, but all that would accomplish would be to ensure that I spend all of my time doing tech support for her.

    Linux needs contributors, not users.

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  8. What ever happened to Spirit? by YodaToad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In this slashdot article it claims that Spirit was the first movie to be created in a 100% linux environment (in April 2002). How can this Sinbad movie be the first one if Spirit was... Over a year ago. Am I missing something here or is this just another PR attempt?

  9. Not looking very hard... by blamanj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...if you didn't see it on the Apple Quicktime trailerssite. They're often the first place the trailer shows up.

  10. What about Linux OpenGL support? by forgoil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or more exactly, the support for good GFX cards. Does HP provide special drivers etc for certain applications or what?

    Just thinking of the benefit for the avarage Linux user.

  11. Not created on Linux! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was created using various applications. Those applications could have been running on FreeBSD, OS X...it doesn't really matter all that much. In fact all of these applications can already be recompiled to run on OS X or whatever. That the name of the kernel providing virtual memory, process switching, device drivers, and some low-level services is "Linux" in this case, well, that's something that really only matters if you're a hardcore geek.

    I don't mean this as a flame at all. It's just that this story is misguided advocacy. Generic putdowns of "Windows" are equally as meaningless. People don't use an operating system. People use applications. Being fixated on operating systems is like being fixated on tires instead of cars.

    1. Re:Not created on Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well... try to run a production render farm on windows. I have seen that experiment run once and at a large scale it wasn't pretty. UNIX/linux in particular is far more suited for distributed work. By the way, DreamWorks has its own renderer also developed for Linux/Unix.

  12. Re:Glad to see they're still at it. by sabshire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hadn't noticed that, but a very interesting take on it, nonetheless. Add to that fact, most Disney movies are ripoffs of some other story themselves. So we have a ripoff artist being ripped off. How "ironic"! :)

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  13. Re:Ironic... Give me a break folks. by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sadly, I think I would actually watch Channel 54.

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  14. So what? by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, what diffrence does it make what kernel ran their graphics software? I mean, this is a good victory for OSS, but it dosn't really help anyone of us.

    And notice that the article dosn't mention what software the actual animators used. Sure, I suppose they could have drawn each character on cells and scanned them, but I find that doubtfull.

    No, it'll be big news when a movie is produced entirely with Open Source (or at least cheap) software like the movie gimp and other tools.

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  15. Re:Glad to see they're still at it. by cgb8176 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it is quite interesting that Dreamworks/PDI movies that closely follow the release of Disney/Pixar ones have similiar basic ideas behind them.

    That might be interesting, if it were true.

    From IMDB.com [imdb.com]:

    The release date for "Antz" was 9-19-1998, two months before "A Bug's Life" on 11-14-1998.

    "Road to El Dorado" release on 3-31-2000, while "The Emporer's New Groove" released on 12-10-2000 (and the only thing they had in common is that they took place on the same continent)

    "Shrek" released on 4-22-2001, six months earlier than "Monsters, Inc" on 10-28-2001.

    The only two Dreamworks movies on your list that actually follow Disney movies are "Sinbad" (following "Treasure Planet") and "Sharkslayer" (following "Nemo"). Seeing as "Treasure Planet" (not a Pixar film, nor was "Emperor's") was a huge failure, as will "Sinbad" be, this Dreamworks copycat theory lacks motive. "Sinbad" is based on the story of Sinbad the Pirate, while "Treasure Planet" is a modernization of "Treasure Island". "Sharkslayer" and "Nemo" both take place under water. I guess you win there.
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  16. Nice stories by RichiP · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice seeing on slashdot's frontpage stories like Bill Gates' interview about Linux going nowhere and this story about Linux going everywhere.

    I swear, Bill Gates must be the worst technologist/visionary/prophet if he only sees Linux as a passing fad.

  17. Mac OS X and G5 for 3D Rendering and video editing by afantee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, Pixar president Ed Catmull said at WWDC last week that the dual 2 GHz G5 Power Mac was the fastest desktop computer for RenderMan.

    In addition, Final Cut Pro only runs on Mac, Apple sells Shake for $5000 on Mac OS X and $10000 on Linux and other platforms, 25% Maya sales go to Mac OS X. It looks that Mac OS X on G5 is a far better 3D and video solution than Linux, particularly now that the dual G5 Power Mac is cheaper than the dual Xeon Dell.

  18. Re:Ironic... Give me a break folks. by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually those sound like a major improvement.. I might bother getting cable if they had channels like that. The only channels I really like are like Discovery, TLC, and stuff like that.. though I admit I also watch MTV/VH1 and The Cartoon Network.

    Actually though I think geeks could make really good television. A lot of us are real movie/tv buffs and are actually pretty funny. I've actually thought about making a tv series of my life.. something like a combination Jerry Springer, Seinfield, and Freaks & Geeks. I think it'd be pretty popular.. especially with my fellow geeks. :)

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