Linus Torvalds about SCO, IP, MS and Transmeta

strmcrw writes " San Jose Mercury News has an interview with Linus. He talks about about SCO vs IBM and gives his opinion on Microsoft. He also shed light on his decision to leave chip maker Transmeta for a Linux corporate software consortium, the Open Source Development Lab."

Comments

Famously outspoken?

[Realistic_Dragon]

I thought that he was mostly famous for saying 'whatever' and then just doing things his own way?

Perhaps they are confusing him with RMS.

Good interview.

[Sheetrock]

It's good to get Linux's opinions on the SCO suit. Too much attention has been given in the press to SCO's claims, which plays right into their hands. It's this type of thing that may bring Linux down, not technical issues.

It's interesting how the interviewers always seem to go into the same thread of what makes Linux great. Given the history one would never have expected it to do as well as it has; like chopsticks, which were actually invented by immigrant restaurant owners in America's mining communities in the 1800s, Linux has picked up a myth of its own that actually covers the more interesting fact that it was simply a hobby with momentum. It's a bit wierd to think that such a thing has evolved to contend with and possibly displace software actually engineered for the enterprise.

Can't wait for 2.6.

two thoughts

[rifftide]

- He sounds a bit stressed out. Maybe it's the new job + trying to get 2.6 out the door + SCO and possible depositions + the usual stuff he has to deal with. Or I'm imagining things.
- It's funny how many evolution/ecosystem type metaphors he made - maybe he's been reading the complete works of S. J. Gould or something

The beat goes on.

[Crashmarik]

Linus summed it up beautifully.

Linux keeps evolving, and diversifying, SCO is ultimately irrelevant. Heres a follow up from IDG http://www.idg.se/ArticlePages/idgnet.asp?id=4636

The one good thing that might come out of this, is there finally enough anger to get some changes in our idiotic patent and copyright systems.

Re:The beat goes on.

[Mostly a lurker]

I really want SCO totally demolished over this case, but your referenced article is painfully weak. For example,

If IBM actually allowed System V code to leak into other operating systems, SCO would only need to identify the leaks. They would be removed overnight, and their removal would be accompanied by apologies and a check covering realistic damages. That appears to be what happened when UnixSystem Labs teamed with Novell to take the University of California, Berkeley to court, claiming that System V leaked into BSD Unix. USL/Novell proved three instances of leakage, which were promptly plugged. When it was Berkeley's turn at the podium, it identified mountains of reverse leakage -- BSD code that was stripped of BSD's copyright text and pasted into System V. Oops. The plaintiffs quickly settled and had the settlement terms sealed.

Firstly, IBM would fight tooth and nail to protect its reputation for probity in respect of IP. Secondly, the quick settlement referred to respecting the Berkeley vs Novell/USL dispute took about 18 months to resolve. Sure, by the standards of US litigation this was fast but scarcely an immediate solution. Thirdly, Novell bought USL: not quite the same as teaming up with them. Lastly, the solution that was negotiated is misrepresented. The article suggests two separate cases whereas the settlement was largely a trade off between the respective violations of the two parties.

Warm places...

[scherrey]

"Q: You moved from Finland. How do you like living in Silicon Valley.

A: Some parts I love. I have a convertible. I will never ever move to a place where I can't drive a convertible."

Amen brother...

Nobel peace prize

[Cheeze]

I don't know anything about the Nobel Peace Prize, but it seems like a good award the world community could bestow upon Mr Torvalds for gracing us with his forsight.

Re:The Transmeta Connection

[ocelotbob]

As a quick correction, the crusoe isn't a RISC chip. It's VLIW, which shares some design similarities, but at the same time, is much, much different.

I don't know about you, but I blame the Dutch Tulip Craze^W^W^WDot Com Bust for the lack of a Unix-optimized version of the Crusoe. The original benefit of the Crusoe's code-morphing technology was supposed to be the fact that it would be able to run nearly any other platform's code natively. Then, the bubble popped, and the Crusoe was delegated to the small market of low-power consumption x86 compatible chips.

IMO the whole thing's a shame. TMTA would have probably been a lot healthier if they would have offered a native VLIW chip in addition to the Crusoe, so that embedded people who didn't care about x86 compatibility could use this damn nice chip to provide real good, low power devices for markets such as set-top boxes, where x86 compatibility is a non-issue.

Visibility

[smartin]

I like the comment about visibility, it's true. Software developers commonly take their software from job to job. Who is going to notice if you plug in a wad of code that you wrote and brought from your previous company. After all you wrote it once, you can write it again. Since no one ever sees the source, this sort of thing happens all the time. Linux is different, it's developed in the open inside a glass house. If a developer dumps in code that they stole from work, some one might notice, and it will be fairly easy to track who did it. I'll bet that most major software companies couldn't stand that sort of scrutiny.

Re:Unfortunatly, SCO's case is not about IBM

[fanatic]

You're quoting Rob Enderle, who said of himself in this article (which also ashed Linux and it's supporters):

"As an analyst I have to be able to argue both sides of a position because often we are asked to step in and help justify decisions that have already been made"

I wish all of the enemies of Linux were stupid enough to say up front that their opinions belong to whoever paid them most recently.

Also, Enderle says:

"I saw what appeared to be a word-for-word copy of about every third line of code in the central module of the Linux kernel," .

You could not have a better declaration that this is bullshit if you paid him for it. No way could you take 'every third line' and some how integrate it with code from some other source and make it work. Also, if it's the "central module of the linux kernel", I think we can be pretty sure Linus wrote that himself. Enderle shows only his corruption and/or his ignorance, nothing more.

SCO court deadline?

[gumpish]

I am so sick of hearing about SCO.

They HAVE filed a lawsuit, yes?

When will there be an actual legal development, meaning what is the next noteworthy date in the legal proceedings of this case? (Hearing, trial, etc.)

Re:Slashdot Beatitudes

[Corpus_Callosum]

Hah!

The use of psychology and memetics to combat open source. This trend is growing... MSFT must be hiring...

Don't be fooled by sigs such as: "Free as in working for IBM without getting paid", or biblical excerpts trying to associate deeply rooted beliefs to the hopelessness of open-source. These strategies are right out of psychology and memetic text-books...

And, so is this whole SCO mess. It exists only to f*ck with us and attempt to slow us down and lower our spirits... There is no intention for them to go to court, only to drag it on as long as possible and associate ridiculous madness with open-source (perhaps also hoping the stumble on something that can stick). There is no other purpose.

Just remember who has "billions" to loose... If you were billy, wouldn't you pay a few psych-geeks to play mind games??? Of course you would...

Re:Minix: the origin of Linux?

[bovinewasteproduct]

Huh?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Linux back in the very early 90's used the Minix filesystem prior to the ext series. I never did figure out why they created a whole new filesystem from scratch instead of just grabbing the BSD ufs (that just about everyone else used at the time).

BWP

The point

[Overly Critical Guy]

You're missing the point. It's annoying to have to constantly remember to refer to "GNU/Linux" because fanatics jump on you for not "giving respect" and for "spreading this lie." It's bizarre and extremist, as if I'm not giving credit or appreciation in my mind for GNU.

Linux is running all my drivers, talking to all my hardware, managing my memory and my processes. It is controlling my computer as an operational system. You can take GNU out of the equation with a bit of work and Linux will still go at it.

I choose to use Linux. It just so happens GNU tools are included on the distros I use, but I'm not choosing to use Linux for those GNU tools, I'm choosing to use it for the kernel, its hardware support, and so forth. If all of GNU was replaced, I'd still be using that Linux kernel. That's the difference, my motivation for using it.

I use Office and Dev-Cpp almost exclusively on Windows, but I don't say Office/Bloodshed/Windows, because I'm choosing to use Windows, and I just happen to have to use those apps all the time under Windows to get anything done.

You guys are like religious fundies, I swear. Loosen up. I can already hear your responses now.

Why Does SCO need to go to Japan?

[b29651]

http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20030703S0026 Did the People ask to see the code?If they didnt will they have to sign NDA?Interesting things keep coming up.If it is just between IBM and SCO why do they even need to concern themselves with CELF?

Re:Qualms with the article

[sffubs]

What about the rest of the programs which run on top of the Linux kernel, making it useable for the majority of people? Surely that deserves a mention too?

My current system is GNU/XFree86/OpenOffice/Opera/Wolfenstein Enemy Territory/.../Linux

--sffubs