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Sims Griefers Get More Publicity
Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to a CNN article highlighting players turning to lawlessness and deviance in The Sims Online. This subject, which other reports covered a while back, seems to fascinate the media, and CNN says the problems of bad behavior are "..raising questions about whether limits on conduct should be set in such emerging virtual worlds, even if they are huge adult playpens." Additionally, the article ruminates on more serious problems, as disputes that escalate beyond the virtual "..could lead to more real-world, legal liability for both players and the companies that make the games."
I think it's interesting in a sense; criminals in a virtual world kind of add an interesting dynamic to the game. I don't see the problem with it unless assets in the game had real-life worth, which has obvious negative implications and probably requires some standards of conduct. I guess the penalty would be having your cd key blocked, a la Blizzard.
Crimson Knights
Some players have reported online spats leaking out of the game players have hacked into others' accounts, posed as acquaintances and spread rumors about real people through instant messaging. Some have even reported identity theft.
Sounds just like IRC. Stuff like this has been going on forever. It's not just in MMO games, it happens in FPS and Chat rooms too.
Sounds like the Sims Online is so boring, people need to make their own fun.
cpeterso
The Crimson Knights are essentially self-appointed guardians of order in the .hack fictional game 'The World'
Guess whoever moderated that off-topic, didn't know that and didn't... I don't know, but it has to be more than simply not knowing that reference.
All this talk of the mob in TSO makes me want to play it! It seemed boring and repetitive before, now only if they made a Vice City Online....
- tom -
The couple say they have ransacked apartments, sent out their "troops" to urinate on others' lawns and once drove another player from the game.
Am I the only one of burst out laughing on that one? How evil can you get, really? While you're dealing drugs in Grand Theft Auto and driving over innocent people in Carmageddon, you piss on lawns in The Sims Online!
What's so bad about being lazy? What if there was a war and nobody showed up?
Clay Shirky wrote an excellent article about this online problem that has existed since before the internet when all there was were BBS titled: A Group is its own Worst Enemy. It's a long and very good read about how not all members of a large group are equal and how the more important members need some way to "defend" themselves to protect the health of the group. Near the end of the essay he says:
This sims problem is just another example of history repeating itself.
The way I think this would work would be to give people the ability to "file suit" against one another in the game. One filing wouldn't trigger anything since the court system would subsequently be as overloaded as the one in real life. You could set a number (maybe 100?) so that once that number of suits was reached against a single person the court system would be activated. A judge would be selected from available GMs and they would inform both parties (the last to file suit would be the complainant [sp?] and of course the respondant) via e-mail to get their evidence (not to exceed 5k) together for trial and submitted two hours before the trial (trial date/time set at a time when both parties are typically online). Note that if either party doesn't show up to trial they would be subject to a one-week suspension without appeal.
The GM would then review the evidence and decide (subject to review by their supervisor) if the case has merit. If it does, then an hour before trial the GM would send out jury requests to 50 potential jurors (these would be random and would not include anyone who has sued, or been sued by, either of the two parties to the suit; maybe even chosen from another server entirely). Out of those 50, the first 13 (no hung juries) to show up at the virtual courthouse (by selecting it from a menu) would be empaneled. These jurors would then read the documents (logs) submitted before trial.
Once trial starts and both parties are present, each would have the opportunity to examine the other by asking five fairly simple questions. The judge would enforce a time limit of one minute for the question and the response. Each party could have one witness, allowed to participate in two questions each. The judge can then ask two questions of each party.
Once all that's done, the jury votes for the complainant or the defendant. If the complainant loses, they are suspended for two days for wasting the court's time. If the defendant loses, their punishment would be decided by the judge based both on the current act and potentially any prior acts (lost suits), ranging from a one-week suspension to complete banning. A trial under these circumstances, by the way, should clock in at under an hour.
By the way, disabling people's chat in the courtroom during this time (except for those asking or being asked questions) would be a given.
Finally, a tag would be put on the defendant, win or lose. Their suit counter would drop in half so that fewer filings would be required over the next two months to activate a trial. Further, if someone loses three suits as a defendant they're banned.
Doesn't all that sound like fun? Well, probably as much fun as The Sims Online is likely to get, anyway. :)
I'm afraid the sims players who can't handle a group of people pee'ing on their lawns will have to develop a thicker skin if they choose to play online games with strangers. If you think that's bad, wait until you play a PvP game.
I hate this sort of attitude.
Why should people be obliged to put up with harrassment just because it's online?
Is there some kind of rule somewhere that says the only sort of fun you're allowed to have online is antisocial PvP-style conflict?
What really gets me is the suggestion of law to control MMO*s. Really now, its just a game.
The "just a game" line shows up now and again in a MUD I play on. It usually looks something like this:
"Hi there! Sorry I abused a bug, repeatedly killed you, looted your corpse, and generally harrassed you. I know you've logged thousands of hours on this MUD, made many close friends, had memorable experiences, collected objects to remind you of particular events or special people who have left. But hey! It's just a game. So don't get so uptight!"
I'm not sure laws are appropriate (or workable). But an MMOG --- particularly one such as the Sims --- is _not_ "just a game".
Repton.
They say that only an experienced wizard can do the tengu shuffle.
ok, so what is the sims online supposed to be? some semi-life simulation of a small city?
take a small city, take away all authority and make everyone wear a changeable rubber face(that can be changed by just keying in your ssn), and make everyone's age between 16 and 30 years.
so what happens? people run amok because there's no law system to set the limits, stupid people let them get tricked out of their ssn(login/pass in s.o.) and others after that appear as them doing stuff they wouldn't like.
doh!
the problem with games communities is that the game has to be few years old before all the dickheads get bored of it, and sims online is marketed to just those same dickheads(and some girls/women who are potentially clueless about defending themselfs in such virtual environment, and with sims online also that there is practically nil real skills that you could practice to become a better player apart, no extra careful tactic planning or timing the flag run and practicing to do the rocket jump at the right place, basically all you should do would be flirt around being all adorable).
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
"It's only a game but the people operating those little animated cartoons are real," said Holly Shevenock, a postal worker from Harrisburg, Pennsylania.
Note to self: don't mess with the postal worker to much... She might finish that thought....
"It's only a game but the people operating those little animated cartoons are real, and they bleed just like all those impatient people that all come in the post office at exactly 12:01 pm every day and want instantaneous service!!!! those same people are the ones that bitch when we raise the price of the stamp by a friggin penny to put more people at the counter!!! They make me so mad, I just want to kill something!!!
we have all heard the end of that story one to many times...