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Harry Potter in German, not Czech
The official translation of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix into German is scheduled to hit shelves on November 8. But at the
Harry auf deutsch
site
(here's Google's
English), a community has sprung up to perform a distributed translation. Every volunteer works on five pages, with the aid of a
Potter-specific dictionary,
and after turning in a German version, works on the prose to ensure it reads smoothly. In an unrelated effort, some schoolboys who did a Czech translation and posted it to a private website have been
sued by Albatros,
the Czech publishing house who will have the official translation out in February. Looks like Harry is crushing more than
the Hulk.
Oh, and please don't post spoilers, it's still too early :)
The summary says they're making a 'second pass' over the translated book to improve the consistency and correct flaws in individual 5-page groups. And, the fact that they have a special 'dictionary' containing all the necessary translations will probably improve consistency a lot.
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My understanding is that copyright law pretty much covers exact copies of the information and not derivative works.
Copyright law does indeed cover derivative works. But I'm not sure what exactly constitutes a "derivative work," especially when it comes to something like a translation. IANAL, though I think it's safe to assume that a direct translation of a given book would be considered a derivative work, since all the creation/ideas/etc... are there, just in a different language.
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They might be missing something, though -- in French, at least, they don't do a straight translation. Rowling makes so many word-plays that a word-for-word translation wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable. The French translator is allowed the liberty of rearranging the games to work out properly in French. My absolute favorite is the Sorting Hat, translated to Le Choixpeau (sounds like "the hat," but words mean "choose-skin."). Also, Tom Riddle became Tom Elvis Jedusor, where Jedusor looks like "game of chance" or "game of spells" and the full name rearranges to Je Suis Voldemort. The houses of Poudlard become Gryffondor, Serpentard, Serdaigle, et Poufsouffle. In the collective translation, I'm sure we'll see some creative input on the word-plays -- but can they be consistent? I somewhat doubt it.
One thing the translators may be seeking to avoid is the over-(ab)use of this translator's power. A friend who had read the English version first threw her copy of Coupe de Feu across the room after one chapter toward the end. The translator had "corrected" something that Mme. Rowling wrote and reportedly has said in interviews that she wrote it intentionally. One surmises the twist may play a role in future books, though it hasn't thus far in Order of the Phoenix.
A translation is a derivative work under U.S. Copyright law and International treaties such as the Berne Convention.
The only way you can translate a work legally if you pay the original author for permission. You own the copyright on the translation (unless otherwise agreed to in the contract for the translation), but generally most contracts stipulate that you still have to pay the original author royalties on copies of the translation you sell, since the author still has copyright on the original, and the only thing that gave you the right to do the translation was to sign the contract.
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Yes. But the people referenced above all PUBLISHED their translations for others. This is not OK. This is, in fact, illegal.
Would you say it's ok for me to buy a region 1 DVD and view although I live in region 2?
Would you say it's ok for me to take said region 1 dvd, rip it to divx and distribute over the internet?
Would you say it's ok for me to buy a Japanese magazine even though I don't understand Japanese - just to view the pictures?
Um, yeah.
Would you say it's ok for me to buy a Japanes magazine and have a friend write me a translation?
Yes.. what's your point?
Wouldn't you say that as long as I've paid the author I'm free to translate the work in whatever way I want, to whatever languages I want?
I think the point is that they distributed it, not that they translated it. Although it says 'private' website in the article, it must have been available to the public else how would the publisher have known about it? You're free to do what you want with your own copy... just the moral of the story is don't even think about distributing it.
>The Harry Potter publishers were naive to think this wouldn't happen.
;-)
It's not the same thing. As far as I know, Harry Potter came out on the same day worldwide. It's just that the translated versions won't be out for a while, which is quite reasonable since translating 700+ pages is not something you can do over a weekend.
They could sit on the english version and wait until the translations were ready, but this creates another problem: waiting for _everyone_ to finish is going to take a ridiculously (sp?) long time (so everyone has to wait), and if you don't wait for everyone you're more or less back to square one: people in smaller markets have to wait for the translation and will not be happy about it. Also, where do you draw the line between popular and not-so-popular languages?
Also, for Harry Potter in particular there were going to be A LOT of people who would not be happy to learn that the (already late) book will take another 5 months to print while it's being translated. And, as another poster has observed, the odds of a story leak would skyrocket.
Traslating a book is not the same as a movie or localising a game. With a movie, there is a LOT less content to work on and the standrards are way lower so it only takes about a week, if that. Either waiting for a week to release the movie, or releasing it a week late in other countries is no big deal. Besides, since most movies have a lot of special effects, you could probably do the special effects and the translation at the same time. Theb problem lies mostly in distribution and marketing.
Video games are even easier since any game that's worth the effort of translating will go through weeks of betas and QA before it goes gold. Having said that, most companies are happy to spend 6 months making a PAL conversion even with no tranlating involved, so I must be missing something
BERNE CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF LITERARY AND ARTISTIC WORKS (Paris Text 1971)
Article 8
Authors of literary and artistic works protected by this Convention shall enjoy the exclusive right of making and of authorizing the translation of their works throughout the term of protection of their rights in the original works.
You want to argue fair use protection? Fine, it's arguably fair use to make a translation of parts of the work for your own or strictly limited academic use. Making a full translation of the whole work with the explicit intent to distribute it, while the rights owner is trying to sell her own version, is blatant violation. Mealy mouthed lawyerese that each individual translator is protected by fair use is dissembling of the most pedantic kind. The intent to violate is clear.
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If I remember correctly, the main difference is that the german translation is only available to the translators and not available to everybody. The same thing was done with HP 4.
I would have thought, that the publishers would have learnt their lesson, and made sure that translations into the other languages where Harry Potter has a large fan base would be released on the same day as the english version, or failing that, not more than a month later.
Doing a top quality translation of a 700+ page novel takes more than a month. Even to a language relatively close to English such as German (and while I can't speak German, I did take several German classes in high school... they're sufficiently different to cause massive headaches).
Prior to it's distribution the 5th book was only read by 5 people, one of which was J.K. Rowling herself. They wanted to keep a tight lid on the contents, and they succeeded pretty well -- only in the couple days before release were any books leaked from the distribution chain. If you farm the book out for translations a month or so beforehand (if that's even possible, given how close some authors cut the delivery dates for publishing) then you may as well forget it -- you'll have full copies of the book wandering around within days of releasing it for translation.
That said, I'm rather surprised at how long the lead times are for the translated works... if the publishers are that concerned, then much more than 3 months is unacceptable. If it's a really difficult translation (say to an Oriental tongue or Basque) then 6 months may be understandable... but translating to Czech takes nearly 8 months? Please!
The Czech publisher Albatros posted the following comment on its website (http://www.albatros.cz/article.php?sid=528) and I've taken the liberty to translate it, and hope I won't get dinged as well: > Before you run amok and start cursing Albatros please read this! First of all: It would have been enough if the translators informed us of their intent, and we would have come to an agreement similar to that reached between Harry Potter's German publishers and its "unofficial translators." They were smarter and more fair, and went directly to the publisher first. In our opinion, Harry Potter can, in our opinion, exist in unofficial translations on the web, but of course Albatros is bound by a contract with Mrs. Rowling and cannot support such activities - even if it wanted to. We must act according to the law and report the theft of copyright that occurred. These (web) pages (with the translation) were not redirected by Albatros, but out of incomprehensible revenge on the authors of the illegal translation. We are sorry that they did not have the courage to contact us, and we continue to refuse to pursue the case. If readers would rather look forward to the illegal translation instead of the book, we will respect their decision. Further complaints can be addressed directly to Mrs. Rowling. This entire misunderstanding occurred thanks to her. Albatros