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Teach An Old Athlon New Tricks
budn3kkid writes "Seems like Upgradeware have a new gadget out for those overclockers looking to upgrade their age old Athlon mobo (KT133, KT266 etc.) with a spanking new AMD Barton CPU. Also, saw an article at ol' Tom's about it right here as well."
After digging around at random in the desert, I found this latest gadget. It works fantastic. Baywatch looks crystl clear on my Commodore-64 now!
Thank you!
*sigh*
Only two comments posted, and already the link is showing a lovely error page.
Google cache still around though, grab it here.
...try this instead. The server isn't /.'d (yet), but the link to the page with more info about the XP-TMC is invalid. (None of the other product links on that page work, either...mighty fine website. :-P )
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
This upgrade raises the concern of the choked bus. I mean, who really wants to run a 3000+ on a 133MHz system bus?
I do, and benchmarks have consistently shown that an increase in bandwidth for the Athlon rarely produces a substantial increase in speed (i.e. the recent speed "jumps" from AMD).
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Its nice not to have to put a whole new rig together, but how useful is it? Eventually you're going to end up with a super-fast CPU that is dragged down by the rest of the rig.
A tradional alternate solution for a conventional method to solve a problem.. interesting
There are two kinds of egotists: 1) Those who admit it 2) The rest of us
Because the chip rests on top of an adaptor, it would make the CPU sit higher. Wouldn't this present a problem with heatsinks? i.e. clamps that may use more force, or not able to reach the attachments.
The error page is not in English, but Babelfish can help us out with that.
Law? Shows? Identical? Has the too many people deposits and withdraws the Web railroad platform. Line following? Does: * Presses re- trims presses? Or shortly after again? *? www.upgradeware.com head? Then examines you think? Looks for it? HTTP 403.9 - prohibitions deposits and withdrawals: Too many users? Receives? Stands Internet Information Services Technique? (Supplies the technique? Supports the person? Use) * Background: If the Web servo bustles about, also because? Many? Road traffic? Sends? Law? Manages your request? Fresh? * Other? Microsoft Support
sounds like most error messages... confusing in every way...
Solving an Old Problem Elegantly: Using the XP-TMC to Deal with the Slashdot Effect.
Apparently the guys at Upgradeware could use one of these
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Microsoft Support
That's the only bit I could read. Informative though.
Oh, c'mon. I don't want to physically mess with my cpu and all of the sudden I'm an immoral person?
Overclocking processors isn't that dangerous of a thing, btw. Unless you did something physically wrong while installing the thing, or the heatsink (which would cause the proc to burn even if you didn't overclock it), all you'll have is an unstable system, in which case you bring the speed down until you get your perfect heat and speed balance. Chances are many of these cpu's computer stores refused to take back were indeed bad, and they were using overclocking as an excuse to screw the customer.
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If you've got the money to go out and buy a new 2500+ or faster Athlon then you won't be breaking the bank if you spend a little bit extra and get a new, more suitable motherboard to go with it?
Sure, there are a very few number of people out there (and I mean maybe a handful) who have systems that for whatever reason can't handle a motherboard swapout but, apart for that tiny subset, this isn't worth the effort.
Why go to this much trouble and risk - possibly ruining a brand new CPU in the process - for a small bump in performance when you could swap both parts at once with less hassle and for greater gain?
That old CPU and motherboard doesn't have to go to waste either - find a cheap case for it, put in a minimal amount of memory (assuming you didn't buy some new RAM as part of your upgrade), a cheap NIC and an old hard drive (even a 250MB drive!) and you've got a nice little runner that'll act as a nice firewall/server/whatever. Let's face it, if you're the kind of guy that would upgrade a PC's CPU to squeeze out a few more clock cycles then you're the kind of guy who'll have those kinds of parts lying around doing nothing.
This may seem like a cheap upgrade option but if you fry that new CPU then it'll turn out to be a very expensive one.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Yeah, it is obvious from your spelling of the word "Athlon" that you are far too intelligent to run Windoze. Let the lower mortals who do not take the liberty of spelling trademarked product names however they see fit run the mainstream garbage, and you 1337 h4x0rz can run your BSDs.
The link is almost as reliable as my Athlon system.
It is? If you're having trouble with the stability of your system, it's most probably either your Power Supply Unit or RAM, don't blame the CPU.
I have an "Athlon System" with good RAM and CPU and it hasn't been down in about 3 years.
I don't see why you got modded up as funny, as it wasn't.
Someone that's willing to buy this device seems like they'd also be of the mindset to lie at the return counter if their CPU kills itself early after an Overclocking Session Gone Bad (TM).
I would have modded you down, but I didn't think that that would properly convey my reaction to this statement, which is : fuck you.
How in the hell do you conclude that anyone that wants to overclock is likely to be a liar as well?
I'm typing this on an overclocked system I built years ago -- why did I overclock? Because it saved me about $500 that I might have spent on a faster chip. Not because I'm somehow morally corrupt, or trying to swindle anyone.
Don't become a regular here -- you will become retarded.
Most of my overclocking experience has shown me that it costs just about the same to go out and buy new parts. So then why in god's name would you bother buying something like this?
For one I attend lots of various LAN parties. I'm sure others who go will catch a similar situation if they have not.
Bob: "Hey Tom, Nice Box..."
Tom: "Thanks Bob... it's a stock AMD"
Bob: "Yeah, but did you see Vince's Water-cooled rig? I can't believe he got that 2100+ so high"
*Tom walks away in shame*
Haven't you heard? The latest craze is UNDER clocking. People with older Athlons are ahead of the curve.
Underclocking Becomes Latest Computer Craze
Speaking as someone who works in a computer store, it always goes like this when dealing with modded hardware:
1 : Did you ever or has anyone ever physically modified, altered or enhanced the hardware of your system?Yes. --> You were or should have been aware of the risks. You don't go about messing with valve settings, piston settings or the fuel-mixture of your car, do you? Get lost, warrenty voided.
No. --> Continue to next question.
2 : Did you ever or has anyone ever changed any settings in the BIOS, other then IDE or ACPI settings?
Yes. --> You ought to be aware of the risks of messing with voltages, multipliers and what have ye. Go to hell, warrenty voided.
No. --> Blame Intel or AMD, try to sell an expensive, new CPU.
What the hell is a BIOS? --> Compare BIOS with an STD so people fear it. Then try to sell an expensive, new CPU.
Yes, but I am an overclocker and modder. --> Violently remove customer from store. We don't sell 300 Euro brand-name cases, 500 Euro brand-name PSUs or 750 Euro brand-name water-cooling rigs. Hence why we don't make money on them anyways. (That, and those "Look at my prefab case window mod and 750 Euro water cooling rig that uses an aluminium radiator, copper heatsink and common tapwater!" annoy me.)
Hate me!
Even if you're accepting the risk of ruining your processor by overclocking it, and are willingly releasing the vendor from warranty obligations, you _are_ morally bankrupt, and are swindling all involved companies by not buying a higher-speed processor to begin with. This is because you're violating the implied contract you made with them to run the CPU at the advertised speed.
I'll bet you're also the type who goes to the bathroom during TV commercials, which violates your contract to watch advertising which pays for TV programming. Hell, you're probably one of those scumbag Tivo users who fast-forwards through the commercials...
Do you have multiple computers at home? You're probably connecting them all to one of those damned routers, instead of paying the ISP more for each computer!
How are companies supposed to survive with people like this around? We need more laws and enforcement to make sure people are using things they purchase only in ways that the manufacturers permit!!
Actually when I upgraded from my socket-7 mobo to my Abit Kt7 RAID my uptime in windows 98 went from about 12-24 hours to a solid week. I was amazed. The old k6 system crashed all the time. With win2k I routinely get uptimes of several weeks, and almost always the reason for the reboot is due something other then a whole crash (like my sound drivers or explorer or whatever will get 'weird').
And I've got cheap-ass ram in here to boot. I've been pretty impressed with the reliability so far.
I do wonder though if this adaptor will cause any problems. For one, the thermal sensor will no longer be in contact with the actual device, and for another the pin lengths will be longer. Could cause some problems...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Greetings,
I represent the CIAA (CPU Industry Association of America) and wish to inform you that you are to cease all overclocking immediately. As you may be aware, under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Clockcycles Act) when you purchase a CPU, you are merely purchasing silicon with a license to use it for X number of MHz. Exceeding this number is STEALING MHz from poor engineers.
Furthermore, multi-tasking OSes have been determined to be 'CPU piracy' becuase it allows multiple programs to share the CPU. As 'sharing' has been determined to mean 'stealing' you will have to have a seperate CPU for each process you wish to run concurrently.
Thank you, and please continue to buy our products or we will be forced to sue again.
An Athlon XP 2600+ isn't a Barton core chip, it's a Thoroughbred "B" chip.
The Barton core chips are:
Barton 3200+ (2.250GHz, 512KB cache);
Barton 3000+ (2.167GHz, 512KB L2 cache);
Barton 2800+ (2.083GHz, 512KB L2 cache);
Barton 2500+ (1.833GHz, 512KB L2 cache).
The top Thorougbred core chips are:
Thoroughbred 2800+ (2.250GHz, 256KB L2 cache);
Thoroughbred 2700+ (2.167GHz, 256KB L2 cache);
Thoroughbred 2600+ (2.083GHz, 256KB L2 cache);
Thoroughbred 2400+ (2.000GHz, 256KB L2 cache).
Note the increased L2 cache size on the Barton, which AMD cite as the reason for the 200-300 point rise in their performance rating for those chips (eg, Barton 2.167 GHz = Thoroughbred 2.167GHz + 300). Obviously, the latest FSB bump introduced with the Barton family helps too.
In some situations a Thoroughbred 2800+ will outpace a Barton 3000+ because of it's greater clock speed but, in most cases, the Barton with its greater L2 cache will win out.
Anyhow, given this story is about "overclockers looking to upgrade their age old Athlon mobo (KT133, KT266 etc.) with a spanking new AMD Barton CPU", I thought it prudent to point out your incorrect assumption about the XP 2600+ chip.
In all likelyhood, you probably wouldn't need any sort of adapter to fit a Thoroughbred chip to most older Athlon motherboards - I know that I could swap the 1.2GHz CPU in my machine for a 2800+ with no hassle but wouldn't be able to do the same with a 3200+, or even a 2500+.
But if you're really going to skip the 2800+ for the 3000+ or 3200+, then you're paying 50 percent or 110 percent more for your CPU in the first place. And if you're doing that, then you might as well be buying a new motherboard.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
"I've had an Athalon box running 24/7 for over a year now. No problems at all."
"Of course, you wouldn't believe how much I spend a month on refridgerating that thing. Wowsers!"
"Derp de derp."