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RFID Industry Confidential Memos

An anonymous reader writes "Cryptome has learned www.autoidcenter.org (RFID flak) has made internal memos available for perusal at their site. Those RFID people sure have some interesting plans for the future. Who needs conspiracy theories, when you can hear it from the horses mouth? Weeeeee!"

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  1. So when you walk into a store... by hashish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Will the clerk know what you aready are wearing down to your jocks size. I can see lots of good things with these tags but I can see lots of missuses too.

    I wonder if govts will legislate to make it possible for us to op-out with these tags? Some tags maybe built into the products that it would be impossible for us to remove them. I think we need protection too.

    1. Re:So when you walk into a store... by mrex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We as consumers probably would have the best luck getting congress to require a RFID tag to be clearly marked or in some way removable, like most bar codes are now.

      Riiiight. Just like, ya know, all those other sensible, consumer-centric laws Congress passes daily. Just look at how effectively they dealt with spam, and file sharing, and CSS*...

      Sorry to have to be the one to point this out to you, but in Congress, when its consumers versus corporate will, the lobbying bastards will win. This will continue until the populace wisens up enough so that campaign money matters less than the actual actions of the officials.

      * That's as in DVDs/DMCA, not as in style sheets or cross site scripting.

    2. Re:So when you walk into a store... by Nucleon500 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Seems to me that it would be possible to make a 3rd-party RFID "bug scanner" for $20-40 that could scan for the devices, and optionally burn them out if found.

      Such a device would be illegal under the DMCA. After all, a RFID tag is a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work, and burning them would be circumvention. Your "bug scanner" doesn't even have substantial non-infringing uses.

    3. Re:So when you walk into a store... by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been wondering if there would be HIPPA problems if this kind of technology ever is applied to healthcare.

      That is a damned good point. The HIPAA regs require encryption of electronic patient information. This would mean that if RFID tags are used for normal hospital operations, the data must be encrypted or the hospital is criminally liable.

    4. Re:So when you walk into a store... by retto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The laws Congress passes are very different when Congressmen (and -women) are affected by them. When the DMCA passed, how many of them do you think were interested in alternative ways to distribute or listen to music, or that encryption would be used to secure business methods instead of senstive data?

      Rest assured, when they start worrying if their is a wireless tracker buried into the heel of their shoe, or they start getting angry letters from the eldery that start with "I voted in every election since Ike and I'll sure vote in the next one!", Congress will take a more consumer-friendly stance in regards to RFID.

      Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in the power of an angry paranoid mob.

    5. Re:So when you walk into a store... by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excuse me?!

      I have an automatic single-shot email address generator {like this - it puts your IP address, date and time in the link} on one of my web sites, and I occasionally receive e-mail swearing blind I opted in, with an obviously autogenerated-that-day TO: address often matching the IP address in the HELO line of the mail headers.

      So that's what people think of opt-in. Personally, I'd be entirely in favour of banning all advertising on the internet ..... it'd be a good starting-point .....

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      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    6. Re:So when you walk into a store... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The tag doesnt store the actual data, it is merely used as a lookup to the main system database, in exactly the same way that a barcode is used.

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    7. Re:So when you walk into a store... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The key to this mystery is in the name:
      rfID - the identifier coming from each tag is unique.

      The handheld scanner will require a lookup in exactly the same way that a barcode scanner performs a lookup.

      I do not see frID tags as anything more than barcodes that you can scan from any angle, hence we shouldnt be thinking they are going to change the world.
      On the hospital subject, I would prefer the entire ward to be quarantined than letting patients with multiple dangerous diseases mix and roam freely.

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      liqbase :: faster than paper
  2. disabling? by Azghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not really knowing all that much about the technology RFIDs use, this might be a stupid question (or I might be a stupid person :))...

    Is it possible for end-users to easily disable an RFID? It seems to me some well-placed magnets, or hell, even the business end of a stable gun, should be able to knock out the RFID. How hard would it really be?

    And yeah yeah, the evil government will make it illegal for us to do that. I'm honestly curious, not interested in conspiracy theory.

    1. Re:disabling? by Piquan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My main concern is detecting RFID. My understanding is that there is talk about self-destructing RFID chips, so once I pay for my purchase, I'm no longer being tracked.

      If Wal-Mart implements self-destructing RFID tags, and Target doesn't, where am I shopping? But how can I know? The clerk certainly can't tell me, and managers are often misinformed about technology issues. (He may think I'm a tinfoil hat guy when I ask.)

      So is it feasible for consumers to purchase RFID scanners? Can I tell if my own (or my friends') stuff is RFID tagged? (Can I use this to find if my associates are wearing women's underwear??? Step 3: Profit!)

      Maybe local users' groups can pool together to get group-owned RFID scanners, like we used to do with re-inkers in the dot matrix days.

  3. Re:More info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok, wanted to get that up right away before going into more detail. What I found most galling about the story is the whole mindfuck angle they're pushing in the memos. They know people are adverse to the RFID concept. They are aware of the privacy risks.

    So they have this big program to lull people into accepting RFID until they become so prominant that it's too late to do anything about it. They actually say this. Regardless of how you feel about the RFID issue, reading the schemes these guys are hatching will make you come away understanding why some people in this world are called bastards.

  4. Old trick by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pretend you're going to do something that's really, really, extreme then when you do something that is merely really extreme no one seems to mind because it's better what was going to happen before big brother became our friend and stopped the really, really bad stuff from happening.

    I'm not paranoid I know they're after me.

  5. Are you kidding? by aliens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disabling an RFID will be tantamount to tampering with a product in a way it was not meant to be. Whether using the DCMA or some future bill it will become illegal to disable the RFID. You think I'm kidding, but I would not be surprised at all to hear this in the future.

    Maybe though, the courts will recognize how utterly detremental the DCMA (and the like) are to this free society. Yes we give up a certain amount of privacy living in a free society(apologies for the American-Centric) but this does not mean that corporations have the right to track us or our products.

    Bite me to any business that thinks I'll buy RFID products, I'll make my clothes out of hemp and be the nut in uncomfortable clothes if I have to be.

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  6. Current contents don't show stupidity by RDFozz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I searched (minutes ago), and skimmed through the first half of the results, none of the documents was still confidential (newest one to expire ran through May 2003).

    Admittedly, I'm too lazy to explore further, but it certainly appears that, at present, the "confidential" documents to be found aren't considered confidential any more.

    That said, as I noted, I got 59 results; does anyone who hit it earlier recall more?

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    1. Re:Current contents don't show stupidity by Katherine_Albrecht · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've posted this elsewhere tonight, but I'll post it here, too.

      The "expiration dates" on the files were hastily added TODAY as a bit of damage control.

      No expiration dates were included on any of the Auto-ID Center's confidential documents before this afternoon.

      To verify this, you can find a mirror of the original search done this morning (before we went public with this) at:
      http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~workmj/cryptome.org/ rfid- docs.htm

  7. Re:Microwave oven. by aethera · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Not only that, but you have to be aware that the device even exists, or plan on microwaving every single one of your purchases. The Caspian site shows RFID tags they have found embedded in the rubber soles of sneakers, in between layers of paperboard, you name it.

    I view this technology much like the use of genetically modified foodstuffs, the technology itself has tremendous potential to make life better/easier, but I think that before we start intorducing these things to the market (a little late on the GM foods for that) we need a serious public awareness / education program. I simply don't trust corporations to use this sort of technology responsibly. Until there are serious and meaningful checks in place to prevent abuse, I strongly oppose the use of these technologies.

  8. Spoofing/Jamming? by HermanAB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How hard would it be to build a RFID spoofing tool that emits gazillions of random RFID numbers whenever it is polled?

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    Oh well, what the hell...
  9. data flood defense by Snowgen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we can't avoid these silly things, is there a way to protect our privacy by flooding the receivers with data?

    I mean data is only useful if it's correct. So if we could build little transmitters that operate on the same frequency and constantly sent out incorrect data. So I have a tag in my underwear saying I wear a size 32. The transmitter in my pocket will send out data that I'm wearing 172 pairs of underwear in every manufacturer, style and size. Not only men's underwear, but women's too.

    They want data? Give to them! No one says it has to be right!

    Is this technically feasible?

  10. Problem solved. by DuckDuckBOOM! · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    Life is like surrealism: if you have to have it explained to you, you can't afford it.
  11. Simple enough solution to problem.... by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just require that manufacturers only use the RFID tags on things that can be removed from the product, such as an easily identified sticker or a common cardboard tag. This would make it RFID tags pretty much the same as the common Barcodes we use now.

    Brian Ellenberger

  12. Renaming strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That renaming bit works wonders. A (major) company I used to work for renamed a component of their data mining technology from "key" to "link", because what they were doing was illegal if the unique identifier for multisource consumer data was used as a key into a database table. Call it a "link", though, and you've bypassed the problem altogether.

    The corporate legalists knew full well that anyone opposing a "key" would only know to refer to it by that particular name. If you change the name, the problem vanishes because now no one knows to object to it.

  13. Conspiracy theories? This is well-known PR stuff. by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As shocking as it may seem the first time you come face-to-face with PR techniques designed to further a corporate agenda over a public's objection, this kind of stuff is quite typical of today's PR machine. Just read this book on the PR industry to get one side of the story.

    Now PR can be used for good reasons, to be sure. So I'm not knocking PR as such. It's a tool, and it can be used for good purposes and bad purposes. But when a company wants to push something that nobody wants, all they have to do is change the wording, create some planted stories, cook some polls, infiltrate opposed organizations, buy people off, uh well, use your imagination. When "...3. PROFIT!!" is your goal, PR can be a very effective tool at the hands of the unscrupulous. This story? Business as usual for PR.

  14. Torn by Orne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As we say at work, "You know you're doing something right when both sides are mad at you."

    This technology has so much potential. I want to be able to remotely pay and walk right out of the store without waiting 15 minutes to check out two items; but I know that they're just going to use my purchases to send me more advertisements. RFIDs can give us information on our environment and we give it to them.

    And that's the problem, exchange of information. After reading that article, these RFID manufacturers are already showing their lack of concern and ignorance how to secure their networks -- it's like a company that installs IIS and never patches, they're that clueless. And this technology needs to be secured right the first time; the last thing I need is yet another report of a bungling tech company leaking credit cards. It's not an MMORPG, where you get 8 months to fix, rollback and patch. This time it's worse, because a crack will not only expose financial data, but expose your personal location.

    Now I don't do much to attract the ire of governments or corporations; I pay my bills, buy my music, and live my life in security. I don't worry about the gov collecting my info, because the government isn't coordinated enough to figure out what to do with it even if they had it. As a small potato, I worry more about the honesty of my fellow citizens. Store employees get caught scamming credit cards, and now, do we get to look forward to the future criminal "warscanning" around the neighborhood with his radio sensor, instantly detecting what valuables you have inside your house...

    Somehow, we the community need to express our concern that the proper precautions are taken. This technology is coming, and the market potential is great. As end users, we need to demand an open access system, so that we might provide the checks and balances to keep the system honest. What else can I say, but whether we need to demand the government regulates an open system, or we use market forces to drive it into oblivion, the public can't let this slide.

  15. Sun Microsystems by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it is evident that Sun Microsystems likes this because they see it as a way to sell servers. They appear to have put their rubber stamp on this. Of course, wasn't it McNealy who said words to the effect of privacy is dead?

    Sounds more like privacy stands in the way of profit.

  16. Letter to these guys by zakkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is the text of a letter I wrote to them. Feel free to improve on the text if you're a lawyer so that it may actually work as a contract, and also to suggest any other changes that may force them to rethink their business strategy on the basis of our privacy not actually being free for them to use. .........

    I hereby note my wholehearted objection to your complete and total disregard for
    my privacy. Furthermore, should you plan to derive profit at the expense of my
    privacy, I expect compensation. After all, the privacy is *mine*, not yours to
    profit off.

    Should I find that an RFID tag has compromised my privacy, I shall bill you at
    an amount I feel is acceptable. Your issuing of RFID tags or the technology to
    implement them to any company that will indiscriminately embed it in any kind of
    product that I might purchase, through choice or otherwise, or be issued with,
    by choice or otherwise, will indicate your acceptance of these terms.

    1. Re:Letter to these guys by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Disclaimer: IANAL - Consult your attorney if you feel you have been victimized

      Notice of Criminal Trespass and Theft of Intellectual Property

      To Whom it may Concern:

      WHEREAS information regarding my person, my belongings, and the properties and attributes of each are confidential and proprietary information and property

      WHEREAS I am the sole owner and rightsholder of the information and property described

      WHEREAS you have not been specifically granted permission to collect, store, distribute, or sell any information about my person, my belongings, and the properties of each

      WHEREAS it has been determined that you are actively engaged in the collection, storage, distribution, and sale of my confidential and proprietary property without explicit permission

      THEREFORE you are engaged in the criminal trespass of my property for the purpose of the unauthorized activities described

      THEREFORE you are angaged in the theft of my exclusive property in violation of Federal and/or State and Local laws

      YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to immediately cease and desist all activites described herein, and any other activites that may be reasonably expected to result in continued violation of my property rights

      AND WHEREFORE I reserve the right to bring suit against you in Federal court for damages that I deem reasonable and necessary to compensate me for the theft of my property, including reasonable expenses and attorney fees associated with the collection thereof

      AND WHEREFORE I reserve the right to bring suit against you in Federal court for punitive damages that I deem reasonable and necessary as a deterrent to future activities described herein

      SWORN this _____ day of ________, 2003

      VICTIM: ___________________

      NOTARY: ___________________

  17. Re:Warm and toasty by cornjones · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if you do put in the cup of water, make sure you put a coffee stirrer or something in it. If you nuke water under the right conditions you can super-heat it and it will violently explode when you put something in it.

    for those of you that are ready to go try this, don't (ok, now I am not liable for any stupidity)
    http://www.amasci.com/weird/microexp.h tml#coffee

  18. Justice requires the potential to disappear by Chad+E+Dirks · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I believe that justice requires the potential for anonymity, the potential to slip out of the system.

    I believe it is worse to punish or put to death an innocent man than it is to fail to convict a few who are guilty.

    While the following example might seem a bit outlandish, I am certain that numerous other examples, some more plausible than others, can be conceived of:

    Suppose that it is well known in the community that things have not been going as well between Jones and his wife as they might. He's been laid off, and has not been able to find work in several months. Jones and his wife aren't on the verge of a divorce, but with the general somber attitude of the times, they've had the occasional heated argument.

    Now, suppose that one Sunday at noon meal someone comes into Jones' house -- someone he does not know and has never met -- and murders his wife and children with a knife from Jones' pantry. The man was a vagrant passing through town. No one knew him, and there was no one to note or miss his comings and goings. He moves on, and will never be found.

    It seems very likely that Jones vill be convicted; it seems that Jones will be sentenced to death. The glove that the murderer used will never be found, but the jury knows it is quite possible that Jones could have hid or otherwise disposed of it cleverly enough that it would not be found.

    In this case Jones can not rely upon our judicial system to set him free. If the judicial system is reliable, given this evidence it will convict Jones.

    There is no one Jones can depend upon except himself and the underground world of conspiracies, assassinations, secret information, and shady services he has been so careful to distance himself from all his life.

    Jones needs to disappeear. He needs to leave the country and he needs to never be identified again. He needs to live out his life and make what he can of it after this terrible tragedy.

    We do not need to make it easy for Jones, but we need to make it possible. We need there to be an underground of information that Jones can tap into and that Jones can exploit to disappear.

    Jones needs anonymous access to this information.

    Jones needs anonymous and undetected passage.

    The horror of putting an innocent man to death (or maybe anyone to death), or of sending him to prison for the rest of his life, should be enough to convince anyone that Jones has a right to the potential to disappear.

  19. someone doesn't understand radiation... by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You've fallen victim to some of the strategies outlined in the articles this whole story is about. You've been pacified into believing radio waves are severely limited in range.

    Actually, they are. Like any other form of radiation, unless tightly focused(by, say a ham's antenna?), RF quickly disappears in all the background noise as distance increases.

    If you want to think of it in a crude sort of way, you can think of a can of paint exploding on the space station. Who gets covered in more paint, the guy 5 feet away, or the guy 50 feet away? This whole idea is also why ENORMOUS radio dishes are required to conduct radio astronomy- you have HUGE amouns of surface area, and you still get really, really, really weak signals.

    I believe the relationship is exponential- I'm probably wrong on the exact numbers(so grab a physics book), but I think that one radian is equal to the angle covered by one square meter at one meter- or 4 square meters at 2 feet, 9 square meters at 3 feet, etc. So as distance increases, the power available to an antenna, no matter how good it is, decreases radically. The energy needed to excite an RFID device, which is practically microscopic(and hence can't have that big an antenna!) has to be either VERY high, VERY focused, or VERY close. Then there's the matter of recieving the VERY weak reply from the RFID tag...

  20. Mini Tesla Coil? by anubi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I would think playing the business end of a small tesla coil over the item you need sanitized oughta do it.

    These are very similar to the "stun gun" or the horizontal output circuit on a TV. Except they are about another order of magnitude more voltage.. expect the sparks to fly about six inches or so. But not much current in it. Its enough to wake you up, but not much more, but it oughta do wonders for PN junctions in the micron range.

    Speculation, anyone?

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  21. Re:Not so bad by superyooser · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I used to go to Bi-Lo and use their Bonus Card, thinking I was getting good savings.

    Then I discovered Wal-Mart's groceries. Most products that I buy are 20% to 40% cheaper than Bi-Lo's with the special discounts. And you don't have to join a tracking program.

    Alas, Wal-Mart will probably be the first to use RFIDs wide-scale, so be ready to don the tin foil hat when pass by a store.

  22. Re:You didn't look at the pages closely... by starman97 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, what a great idea for hi-tech burglars..
    Drive down a street with an RFID exiter and case every house of the street all the way down to brand name and model of every tagged item in the home.

    Of course the taxman will love this also, just wait till you get your itemized property tax bill and any attempt to damage or remove the RFIDs is punishable as tax-evasion.

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  23. Re:You didn't look at the pages closely... by Svartalf · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Let me clarify that prior statement (Must remember not to post at 2AM... :-)

    The absolute range isn't really in the reader's antenna or it's broadcast power. It's in the tag's antenna and the RF circuitry in the tag. It's how much power you can effectively re-radiate with the tag- and the antennas and chips on the tags in question limit the range dramatically because they can't pump out a lot of RF power into space.

    It's like the range difference on a 5 watt CB handie-talkie. On a rubber duck antenna, you'll get maybe a quarter mile or so at best- even at 5 watts of RF power. With a quarter-wave whip attached, though, you can get many miles out of the equipment, especially at 5 watts of RF power. Why? Because the quarter wavelength sized antenna much more effectively couples the power into space. Also worth noting is that while you get better results with a quarter wave antenna and more power, there are limits to how far you can transmit and recieve because of frequency related propagation characteristics. 10 watts gives you a longer range (but not twice as far- propagation follows the inverse square law...) but once you reach 100 watts, CB just fizzles pretty much at the same distance, no matter how much juice you pour into the transmission. This is due to how the signal propagates through space at a given frequency.

    The same applies for RFID tags. While your tag antenna might be the right size (The tag's at quarter wavelengths in many cases), you're fighting how much electrical power the chip can resolve into power to radiate back out. If the chip's designed for a nanowatt or two of RF power, pumping a kilowatt of power at it won't change the radiated power from the tag one bit. Also you're fighting the propagation characteristics of the frequency you're using. Check out what the propagation characteristics are for 2.4GHz sometime. Not a pretty thing, if you're going for distance. You usually have to switch to 5GHz or to 900MHz to get real range on a tag. And you're going to have to use larger parts to have higher power levels because the chips they're using in these small tags aren't capable of a lot of power back out.

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  24. Pulsed EMF by quinkin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    OK,

    Do we have any engineers in the house??

    Three standard frequency bands (approx. 13MHz appears to be the longest range band) and a physically accessible antenna.

    This sounds like a perfect opportunity for any engineers out there to create a tri-band transceiver with a "snort" function to cycle through the used bands, detect the feedback/absorbtion from the RFID antenna and then give it a very localised, high powered pulse or thousand at the appropriate frequency.

    If you don't manage to fry the tiny componentry in a tag, it ain't turned on.

    Any and all defensive mechanisms (micro-faraday cages, zener diodes, gas chambers, etc.) should either prohibitively raise the price per RFID or be easily overcome with a minor modification (slow ramp up times, gaussian (white noise) frequency distributions).

    A far more interesting concept is surely the use of "throw-away" RF interference devices that could interfere with the use of RFID tags to such an extent that it is not viable for it's users (Walmart, I'm looking at you).

    Perhaps you could even use their electrical wiring as your antenna (c.f. electronic vermin repellers).

    Time to break out the soldering iron.

    Quinkin.

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    1. Re:Pulsed EMF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Dude, if you put together the schematics and publish them on the web, I am so there. Wal-mart's employees aren't always the brightest, and being able to sneak a small, RFID-intefering device, into the store would be hilarious. You could probably even attach them on the registers, and the clerks would never be the wiser.


      Wal-mart overhead speaker: 'Wally, the RFID tags on lane 4 aren't working again. Can you do a price check?'

  25. Racial Profiling anyone? Sexually diseased ID'ed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yep, I can see it now... high end sneakers marketed to black teens being picked up on overpasses above freeways near well-to-do neighborhoods. Then they start getting tailed, you know, just to make sure they're not using their own RFID identifying equipment to scope out a possible robbery.

    Maybe next week it will be that new scarf that's all the rage for homosexual men on the prowl... being tracked by a couple of rednecks.

    Or how about virulent atheists beating up on RFID laden bible carriers...

    Oh, here's an idea for a police sting! add a couple of RFID tags (at 1/3 of a millimeter, should be a piece of cake!) to a confiscated load of cocaine, then let it out on the street. Put scanners throughout a business region downtown, and bust all the illegal drug users that come by with inhaled tags still embedded in their bodies.

    Wait... what about being injected with them as you are being treated... for some kind of sexually transmitted disease, and your girlfriend happens to have the new Pocket1000 RFID tracker tuned to that kind of tag?

    Or embedded in shampoo, so that you can legitimately say (without any possibility of sexual harrassment) "Gee, your hair smells terrific!"

    Send your daughters out with RFID scanners tuned to condom vendors' packages, and have her avoid those boys looking to land one that night...

    Find out who has stinky feet in the crowd, by scanning for Dr. Scholls.

    Headlining the Enquirer - Incontinence sufferers at the Oscars! Our Scanner reveals WHO!

    Who's wearing tampons today?

    Need I go on with the social impact beyond just the retailers or business world?

  26. The Real Question People Should Be Asking. by achilstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will it become government policy to rountinely RFID tag people?

    It's a common procedure for tagging dogs here in the UK especially if you wish to take your dog abroad. It's been used successfully in finding the owners of strays for some years now.

    Perhaps the tag will be embedded under your skin, as part of a passport application, or maybe embedded into a hip bone or the skull at birth.

    We already externally tag offenders on home curfew, why not go the whole hog and attach a RFID tag to the stem of the brain, try removing or microwaving that you sucker!

  27. War pickpocketing... by leibnitz27 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone in the office just opined that if cash (notes) had RFID tags in them, then there would be a good hole in the market for a "how much cash is person X carrying?" scanner - pickpockets would be able to pre-select you for their services!

  28. Re:Not true at all. Who modded this insightful? by rick446 · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Power is defined by the initiation of force. I'm sorry, but none of the examples you provide fall under the definition of power. You may not like the fact that your employer could fire you at a second's notice, but that doesn't change the fact that you and your employer entered a contract based on voluntary association, NOT FORCE.


    But if there are not plenty of available jobs at similar compensation and without whatever restrictions you violated to get fired, they are applying force by firing you. They have impaired your ability to earn money (at least the kind of money you were earning), taken away economic freedom, restricted what political activities you can engage in (because you must earn enough money to live first, before engaging in politics), etc... all through economics. So there is such a thing as economic force.

    Thinking of force as consisting only force of arms is naive. The federal government in the US regularly enforces regulations which it has no constitutional authority to make by tying funding to a states "voluntary" enforcement of those regulations. The 55 mph speed limit was an example (now defunct). The age limit of 21 for drinking is another. Both were conditions for receiving highway funding (which came from citizens of that and other states through the national income tax). Technically, force of arms was not applied. But there was force involved nonetheless.

    Likewise, corporations apply economic force to their employees, as well as (and more importantly) governments. Especially when a large multinational corporation confronts a small bankrupt nation. They can (and have) caused changes of regime to benefit their own interests.

    Corporations are probably the best example of concentrated economic force on earth, and that force *can* be bartered for the force of arms when necessary. The BSA enlists local police to raid companies for license violations. Various corporations spend millions of dollars annually to influence legislators (often giving to both parties), who then make laws which enforce the will of those corporations (DMCA & Sonny Bono copyright extension act being the ones /.ers are most familiar with).

    Force, power, freedom, voluntary, involuntary, etc.... these words have far deeper and more complex meanings than you seem to acknowledge.

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  29. So when you walk into a store... by johnyoung · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's a URL of the RFID docs easier to access:

    http://jya.com/rfid-docs.htm

    A Zipped file of the 10 Auto ID docs cited by CASPIAN's press release:

    http://jya.com/rfid-10.zip (2MB)

    The whole wad of RFID docs:

    http://jya.com/rfid-docs.zip (21MB)