Posted by
ryuzaki0
on from the where-do-we-go-from-here dept.
Ashcrow writes "EWeek has posted an article on Microsoft's .NET initiative. It's been three years since we were first introduced to .NET and virtually none of the promised advantages have come true. Is it time for Microsoft to move on?"
You mean like linux junkies that try to cram linux down everyone's throat as the be-all, end-all solution to everything? Sorry, people aren't buying it.
Re:Reality is quite nice though
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ClubStew
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See, you linux junkies don't really know crap about MS, do you? In most cases, the CLR out-performs native Win32 because of better heap management, caching, and other little things here and there. And there will be cross-platform compatibility once linux developers finish Mono.
If anything that runs on a VM is slow - it's Java. It has to JIT everything before running it while the CLR JITs on demand and it even does that faster!
Re:Emperor's New Clothes test...
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Lord_Slepnir
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Microsoft: We're betting our ass.
Unlike a lot of companies out there, Microsoft doesn't bet everything on one product. Even if.net were to suddenly evaporate, Microsoft still has a lot going for it. A fairly stable OS that will run on a majority of hardware (I have yet to find a distro of linux that won't mess up on my IBM laptop after about 2 weeks of running or will recognize all of my USB stuff on my desktop properly on install).
I might have read you wrongly. However, I can tell you that the land around Redmond, Washington is very bad for Donkey grazing, so I doubt they have an ass to bet.
You also forgot the following:
SCO:.Net is infringing on our unix patent by providing a 'user' a way to 'logon'. We demand 11 bizilliondy dollars. Cash.
Slashdot reader:.NET IS HOW BILLGAT~1 IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!1111 IT SUX0RZ NE WAY!!!!11
Re:You are kidding, right?
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zulux
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A few weeks uptime is nothing to brag about.
There was a Microsoft guy giving a presentation about Windows 2003 server - he proudly claimed that MSN.com was using it a getting six weeks of uptime..and more!
Most of us snickered. Except for the MCSEs - they were impressed. Of course most MCSEs are impressed with a bundle of sticks with a clown hat on top, but I digress.
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Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
Re:I'm not buying it either
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ClubStew
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Exactly, which is why it takes forever to develop and so many OSS jobs fails - it doesn't make any money! That is the point of business now, isn't it? Or have we finally switched to a utopian society, because that's what it's going to take for most OSS companies (ex: linux vendors) to profit).
trying to type this despite paroxysms of laughter
by
chasebase
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I understand that slashdot users generally have an axe to grind against MS, but after reading this most laughable article, which was almost completely devoid of fact, I could not resist replying to this most ridiculous comment. Understand I am not trying to start a big platform flame war, just to point out that this article and comment are devoid of anything remotely resemebling an argument.
The "evidence" that Microsoft's.NET initiative is so flimsy I don't know where to begin. Let's see, something like 200 of the Fortune 500 companies have mission critical apps in.NET. There has been example after example of.NET beating the pants of J2EE in terms of performance (if you don't believe me, download MS's free VB command line compiler and start with a prime number algorithm, then move on from there). And speaking from personal experience I have not yet met a developer who has any depth of experience with.NET who would NOT agree that it is their all time favorite development platform.
The argument that.NET "has almost disappeared from MS marketing" seems like an intentional misstatement of the truth - the fact that some bad marketing people at MS got reigned in, and that they now only call things.NET if they actually involve... you guessed it,.NET. What a straw man argument, pretending as if MS is somehow hiding in shame from some imagined defeat. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The statement that.NET is a rebranded Visual Basic is simly fabricated... even VB.NET was a complete rewrite from the ground up and breaks compatibility with previous VB's, but that is only scratching the surface.
The allegation that PHP4 blows.NET out of the water is ridiculous. With PHP, we are talking about a language where "objects" (and I use the term loosely) are copied by value - that's right, assigning an object causes the entire object to be copied. A language that lacks any kind of modern exception handling. A language that does not include a debugger, and for which the for-pay debugger's remind my of 1987. And IMO, scalability and PHP don't even belong in the same sentence.
Folks, all I am getting at here is that MS is no straw man. If you want to crap all over them, please make sure you're qualified to actually COMPARE the products. And let's all try not to make stuff up.
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You mean like linux junkies that try to cram linux down everyone's throat as the be-all, end-all solution to everything? Sorry, people aren't buying it.
See, you linux junkies don't really know crap about MS, do you? In most cases, the CLR out-performs native Win32 because of better heap management, caching, and other little things here and there. And there will be cross-platform compatibility once linux developers finish Mono.
If anything that runs on a VM is slow - it's Java. It has to JIT everything before running it while the CLR JITs on demand and it even does that faster!
Unlike a lot of companies out there, Microsoft doesn't bet everything on one product. Even if .net were to suddenly evaporate, Microsoft still has a lot going for it. A fairly stable OS that will run on a majority of hardware (I have yet to find a distro of linux that won't mess up on my IBM laptop after about 2 weeks of running or will recognize all of my USB stuff on my desktop properly on install).
I might have read you wrongly. However, I can tell you that the land around Redmond, Washington is very bad for Donkey grazing, so I doubt they have an ass to bet.
You also forgot the following: .Net is infringing on our unix patent by providing a 'user' a way to 'logon'. We demand 11 bizilliondy dollars. Cash.
.NET IS HOW BILLGAT~1 IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!1111 IT SUX0RZ NE WAY!!!!11
SCO:
Slashdot reader:
A few weeks uptime is nothing to brag about.
There was a Microsoft guy giving a presentation about Windows 2003 server - he proudly claimed that MSN.com was using it a getting six weeks of uptime..and more!
Most of us snickered. Except for the MCSEs - they were impressed. Of course most MCSEs are impressed with a bundle of sticks with a clown hat on top, but I digress.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
Exactly, which is why it takes forever to develop and so many OSS jobs fails - it doesn't make any money! That is the point of business now, isn't it? Or have we finally switched to a utopian society, because that's what it's going to take for most OSS companies (ex: linux vendors) to profit).
I understand that slashdot users generally have an axe to grind against MS, but after reading this most laughable article, which was almost completely devoid of fact, I could not resist replying to this most ridiculous comment. Understand I am not trying to start a big platform flame war, just to point out that this article and comment are devoid of anything remotely resemebling an argument. The "evidence" that Microsoft's .NET initiative is so flimsy I don't know where to begin. Let's see, something like 200 of the Fortune 500 companies have mission critical apps in .NET. There has been example after example of .NET beating the pants of J2EE in terms of performance (if you don't believe me, download MS's free VB command line compiler and start with a prime number algorithm, then move on from there). And speaking from personal experience I have not yet met a developer who has any depth of experience with .NET who would NOT agree that it is their all time favorite development platform.
The argument that .NET "has almost disappeared from MS marketing" seems like an intentional misstatement of the truth - the fact that some bad marketing people at MS got reigned in, and that they now only call things .NET if they actually involve... you guessed it, .NET. What a straw man argument, pretending as if MS is somehow hiding in shame from some imagined defeat. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The statement that .NET is a rebranded Visual Basic is simly fabricated... even VB.NET was a complete rewrite from the ground up and breaks compatibility with previous VB's, but that is only scratching the surface.
The allegation that PHP4 blows .NET out of the water is ridiculous. With PHP, we are talking about a language where "objects" (and I use the term loosely) are copied by value - that's right, assigning an object causes the entire object to be copied. A language that lacks any kind of modern exception handling. A language that does not include a debugger, and for which the for-pay debugger's remind my of 1987. And IMO, scalability and PHP don't even belong in the same sentence.
Folks, all I am getting at here is that MS is no straw man. If you want to crap all over them, please make sure you're qualified to actually COMPARE the products. And let's all try not to make stuff up.