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To Kill An Avatar
Thanks to Legalaffairs.org for their new article called 'To Kill An Avatar', discussing lawmaking in online worlds. Although this is an often-explored subject, some interesting examples come up, such as a case in which "..an avatar [in virtual world There] put up a 'For Sale' sign in front of a house that he didn't own.. the scam artist collected some serious Therebucks (the currency of There) before the creators of the world discovered what was afoot and took corrective action." The article concludes without much hope of resolution: "You could make a virtual world without the possibility of crime - but it would probably be about as dynamic as Pong or Tetris.. by creating virtual lives, investments, and freedoms, we create the conditions for virtual crime."
We have authorities to stop this, such as police. Why should the virtual world be any different? Have some avatars be virtual police. Human or machine controlled.
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Didn't put it in the main post cos it's a tad off-topic, but I just started watching Bandai's .hack//SIGN TV show on Cartoon Network, and there's some really interesting discussions of lawlessness in virtual worlds in that (seeing as it takes place in a MMORPG n' all.) It's an intriguing and thoughtprovoking show - do you go in a MMORPG to have fun however you want, even if it means being 'bad', or is imposing order necessary for the majority to have fun? That seemed to be one of the questions they tackled.
...before the creators of the world discovered what was afoot and took corrective action.
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Now that's what I call a full-service Universe!
... i suppose thats what you get tho ... if you create a 'real' world, dont be suprised when 'real world' problems rear their heads ... ... if they are human, then you are effectively hiring people to become virtual police, which would effectively become a full time job, which they then have to be paid for. how much do you pay a virtual cop? surely not heaps, but it has to be enough to be able to keep them from wanting another job. ... if they are machine controlled then i can imagine a robocop style situation where the perp has stopped doing whatever is illegal, but the huge towering ED-209 is still counting down in preparation for destroying the bad guy due to some sort of dodgy AI loop. ... i suppose the only other answer would be to endow certain heavy users with police powers, mods if you will, but not employed mods, people that just play the game a lot who are rewarded with police powers. powers which of course would inevitably be abused ...
My personal opinion of There (from what I read in Business2.0 and have seen mentioned online) is that it is simply a bunch of business/marketing people that sat down to decide how to put marketing inside a MMORPG. However, they forgot that they need a MMORPG to actually attract people. Right now it's just a glorified chat room. Apparently they are wanting to license the technology to real MMORPG developers but we'll see how that goes. It's really just a big ploy to get advertisers like Nike, Starbucks, etc. to spend real money to put their logos in the virtual worlds. GameTab - "game news & reviews. compiled"
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I have not been able to follow the show very well since I have found more interesting things to do on a Saturday night. Its interesting that not only is the premise of MMORPG lawlessness explored in the anime, but also the concept of self policing in the form of the Crimson Knights.
I swear we were talking about the Crimson Knights just this past Sunday. That's two Crimson Knights comments in 4 days.
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Online liability, what a scary idea.
What if every punk on Counter Strike could have charges pressed on them for acting like a complete git?
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On Wall Street they say "buy low, sell high" On the pad we say, "buy high, sell high" Isn't that somehow better?
Anybody who has played any kind of massive online game already knows this - that being online and somewhat anonymous actually LEADS to behavior that is mischievous or harmful to others. It's easy to be an a-hole when nobody knows you. Having played Everquest for some time in the past, grief players and scammers abound. And you know what? It'll always be like that.
IMO there's *more* "crime" online than there is in the real-world - why? Because what's the worse that can happen to you? Get banned? Yah, that's about it. For games with a persistent character, this is a somewhat effective deterrent (see Everquest). But really, this won't stop many people from ruining other people's online experiences.
Just do what the creator(s) of our virtual world did: leave it up to the people inside the virtual reality!
In the end, there will always be players in a MMORPG who work outside the basic rules, much like in real-life. I don't believe this will lead to the downfall of MMORPGs however, as long as the game provides an area to work out these anti-establishment feelings.
As far as exploiters go, you find them in every MMORPG. Those who push the limits of every game-enforced law or rule, to gain an advantage over their fellow players. I would like to see a system that encompasses this, similar to moderation on a board. A panel of GMs could monitor the shady activities that go on, and adjust the player's game experience accordingly. A particularly devious game designer could even incorporate specific exploits into the system to draw those who are attracted to working on the fringes of the "law". I believe it would enhance the roleplaying experience for those not inclined to walk the bright, straight, and narrow path, thus leading to a higher subscription rate overall.
You're never going to get rid of the cheaters. But since they're there already, why not make it a player class?
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Alot of people create virtual lives for themselves. They see it as a chance of a better life, and if its worse they can destroy that one a get a new one. The "crime" most comit is to hide their real looks. Not everyone can be popular in the real world, but in the virtual world anythings possible. As for people policing them, their are moderaters and things., not to mention worse comes to worse you can call in a white hat.
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What about the idea of something like There or the more real-life-like MMORPGs serving as a sort of enhanced chat room? Yes, I know, they're like that already. But I'll never sign up for it because I'm not really interested in meeting new people--I have enough trouble keeping up with the people in my real life.
And that's exactly what would be missing from There (for me)--the people in my real life. I don't use IM to meet new people--I use it to talk to the people I already know (or meet in real life). It would be absolutely fantastic to interact with those people I know in real life in a world like There--I could think of some fun shit to do with friends. Plus like the article indicates, why talk on the phone with someone when you could hangout in a tropical forest or on a castle in the sky?
If the price came down sharply that might be possible...
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Committing a sexual assault in an online game should be an offence in the real world, because it has real-world effects. It could be dealt with in-game by giving the offender a really bad STD, in addition to in-game police. In a fantasy game, they could take a leaf from the Glorantha game world, and have the rapist transform into a hairy goat-headed monster (this doesn't always happen, but it can happen to repeat offenders).
On the other hand, there is the fairly large problem of "griefers" ... can you even reconcile these two ideas ?
Ultima Online solved it by banishing player-killers to a separate realm.
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Jews and Christians say the same thing happens occasionally in this world as well.
In the religions that form in the worlds of Xbox games, is there a god named "Bill"?
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It would be absolutely fantastic to interact with those people I know in real life in a[n online] world
It would be way too easy to slip up and fall Out Of Character.
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powers which of course would inevitably be abused
Then you need a Police Complaints Authority / Internal-Affairs Dept, they need to watched too so a Police Oversight Committee, and on and on.
The problem with these new MMRPGs is their sheer size, there is no really easy way for the few 'wizards' to police them, and having players police themselfs can lead to gang type situations. As well, even if you were to use players as police officers, there is no means to protect against police corruption. The problem with some of these games is they end up almost too 'read world' in many ways.
I do a lot of MMORPG playing. I run large allegiances. I'm happy to address the social problems of MMORPGs.
1) Some people like to cause trouble.
A virtual world is, as one friend put it, a place where he can do bad things without fear of having bad things done to him. In other words, he sees his avatar solely as a distraction at $10/month, but others see it as blood/sweat/tears and really identify with their avatars. Thus, they have more to lose, and therefore he gets all the power. And he enjoys abusing that power -- something he can't easily do in real life.
2) Some people like to complain.
You will, in every virtual and non-virtual place, find people that will complain about anything. If the game is too hard, they complain. If it's too easy, they complain. If they report a bug that isn't fixed by the time they form their next (first?) coherent thought, they complain. These people must be ignored, and they exist en masse in MMORPGs and always migrate to the fansites and post in ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME WITH LOTS OF !!!!!!!. In general, I pity them because they have no control over anything in real life.
3) Virtual police do not work.
Some people do not like to play vs other players (pvp). Others find this the only exciting thing in games -- AI always fall short, but fighting real people can be a tremendous challenge. But what happens when a pvp-er attacks a non-combatant? The NC feels violated. Combine a pvper with #1, and you have a serious griefer. So let's say a bunch of folks get together to punish this person. The result is that a bunch of other people get together to punish the law enforcement. In real life, law enforcement usually has superior firepower... not so in virtual worlds.
4) There is no stealing in virtual worlds (generally).
Rarely do virtual words add the ability to steal, except in worlds where you can hunt down the offending thief. All other cons are just that: cons. If you get tricked into dropping your Dragon Platemail of the Elements, it's your loss. Many people risk their character's reputation to con other characters, and it can be a lucrative business. Never underestimate the greed or the ignorance of your fellow player. This has real world implications, because that dragon platemail can be sold on ebay for $100. I am waiting for the day someone is sued or actually hurt in real life for conning or exploiting someone in a game. I've heard rumors that it's already happened. Some games have made conning against the Code of Conduct, and will ban or delete characters that don't keep their words. But this has the problem of enforcement, and usually there is no way to appeal. Remember we're talking about items that may have real world $ value, and it's being decided by some random droid on the other end of a computer. Judge/jury/executioner, and usually no process of appeal. No thanks.
5) If it can be exploited, it will be exploited.
The physics of a game are coded very strictly, where players must be rewarded or they'll stop playing (and take their monthly fees with them!). So, things must be attainable by the normal player, yet things must remain challenging. There are people out there that will run the math and find the lowest cost:benefit, then do that. They see optimizing character advancement as the challenge, and are not interested in socializing or anything else. Maxing a character means winning the game. But these people are usually thwarted at every opportunity by the game manufacturers, which IMHO is a bad idea. What happens is that, in the attempt to thwart these people, the game manufacturers screw the normal player.
I realize this doesn't paint a very nice picture of MMORPGs, but remember that these are the difficulties that designers face. Some of the advantages is that they provide wonderful places to meet people with similar interests in a virtual environment, where you can present yourself as whatever you want. Some try to roleplay, some don't care. Some play the opposite sex, some tr
I know I've seen a few stories posted about this game in the past, but I wonder if those who wrote this article had a chance to look at A Tale in the Desert. In this game there are no laws for a reason - players must create the legal system from the ground up. Laws are then implemented by the devs (with some reasonable restrictions of what can be legislated). Examples of important laws passed so far would be laws that allow players to tear down or use the buildings of 'Departed Players', as well as laws that allow people to feed or slaughter starving sheep (sheep unfed can become sick, and this sickness can spread to other player's sheep). The funny thing is, the laws that try to prevent greifing or solve problems almost always have their own ill-effects, so it makes for a very interesting experiment to watch laws get.