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3DLabs Releases Linux Drivers

wilfie writes "3DLabs have released linux drivers for their for Wildcat III and Wildcat 4 Graphics accelerators. Being closed source they'll taint your kernel, but what the heck. Press release with penguin-friendly quotes available too." DataSquid has a note about ATI's Linux support: "While on the job hunt, I came across this posting at ATI seeking a project team lead. Last on the list of key responsibilities is "Act as a leader to improve the overall quality of Linux support at ATI." Good news? Certainly better news than what was suggested before."

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  1. This taints our image by sabshire · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Being closed source they'll taint your kernel,

    This is the kind of statement that taints the integrity of the ope source community, and is a prime example of why few commercial companies support Linux.

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    1. Re:This taints our image by Dicky · · Score: 5, Informative
      Taint, in this case, is a technical term. The kernel keeps a flag showing if all the code in it or loaded into it (i.e. modules) is open source, and if a module containing closed source code is loaded, the taint flag is set.

      The point, of course, is that when you post on the lkml saying "Wah wah my kernel's dead", they can come back and say "Sorry - we can't fix that because you're running code in your kernel which we don't have access to". Or possibly something less polite :-) But anyway, that's why the taint flag exists.

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  2. An attractive proposal... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looking at the plethora of video cards with differing amounts of VRAM, performance specs, drivers for Linux, stability problems with Windows (especially newer OS versions and Service Packs which often make video drivers unstable), I've got a suggestion.

    Why not make a commodity video card with about 8MB video RAM (a Mattrox 8MB card out-performed a 32MB S3 hands down), and a stable open-source Linux driver? Will this lead to commoditisation of the video card and drive all other mfrs to imitate?

    Just wondering...

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    1. Re:An attractive proposal... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why not make a commodity video card with about 8MB video RAM (a Mattrox 8MB card out-performed a 32MB S3 hands down), and a stable open-source Linux driver? Will this lead to commoditisation of the video card and drive all other mfrs to imitate?

      Well, the same reason as to why we don't have room-temp (or only requiring passive cooling) 500mhz processors for $25, silent single platter 10gb HDs for $25, 256mb 266mhz DDR RAM for $25. Flashy new stuff sells, innovation of older products doesn't. Hence why Intel and AMD are pushing up specs instead of improving and lowering the cost of older processors. The HD manufacturers thrive on selling larger and larger HDs instead of coole, more silent and cheaper ones. Hence why we have expensive 250Gb IDE blast furnaces instead of silent 5 to 10 Gb drives whic only cost about 25 bucks. Same thing for memory; pushing up the ammount of memory and speed sells while improving older technologies to be cooler, cheaper and more efficient... Doesn't sell.

      Which is kind of stupid really; I'd imagine computers with lower specs but increased stability, efficiency (wasting less power on warming the office) and lower costs would be popular in the corporate scene. Then again, I bet those people are rather thick and convinced by marketing that Office '97 and Windows 98 really do require 200gb of disk space (well, almost) and a P4 3ghz with HT. Not to mention that 512mb of DDR400 and that Ati 9800 that makes Excel run smooth. Woo!

  3. Why not open source graphics card drivers by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are the card companies afraid more of revealing technology to their competitors, or of revealing their benchmarking cheats...er optimizations?

    1. Re:Why not open source graphics card drivers by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 5, Informative

      In nVidia's case they licensed code from SGI or some company like that. If they GPL'd the code their would be a lawsuit which I don't think they want. Now you could atleast release the spec for the cards , so the community could create its own drivers. That is proabably why many companies don't get involved in Linux for drivers, because the community already made them.

  4. Re:Thanks for nothing by cenobita · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly...and just as you have the freedom *not* to use a closed-source driver, you also have the freedom to take advantage of it.

    Too often, I see people confusing freedom with politics. Though they sometimes collide, they are *not* the same thing.

    Personally, I don't give a crap whether or not the drivers are closed-source. If I ever put the cash down on a 3DLabs card, i'd be a lot more interested in being able to use it on my OS of choice. The freedom to do high-end 3D or video work on Linux as opposed to Windows is a lot more interesting to me than the ability to modify the source code of the drivers.

  5. Re:Thanks for nothing by pe1rxq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only problem is that 3DLabs isn't supporting Linux... They are supporting "linux-somespecificprocessor-somespecificversion"
    Might be better than nothing, but not much...

    Jeroen

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  6. Re:Make the darn drivers Open Source! by dinivin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am just taken aback that these drivers are not Open Source. The Open Source developer community would have a lot to contribute to these drivers; they could enhance the performance, add new functionality, and make them more robust.

    One word: Bullshit. All R100 and R200 Radeon cards have open source drivers. There are, at most, about a dozen people who work on those drivers and the majority of them are paid to do so. Being open source isn't going to make a flock of people go running to improve the drivers.

    Dinivin

  7. From the my-linux-is-9.1-what-about-yours dept. by Kickasso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These are not Linux drivers. These are Red Hat 7.3 drivers. I'll stick with NVidia for now, thankyouverymuch.

  8. Re:great news! by cide1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, but the drivers they release suck. I bought a Radeon 9000 from them, after the website said supported in Linux. The driver has the option for dual screen, however, there is no way in hell I can get it to work. I have found hundreds of Usenet posts where other people can't get it to work. I haven't found a single post of it working. I emailed ATI on two seperate occasions. The first time I received no response. The second time I asked for a known working XF86Config, and I got a canned response saying they would get back to me. They never did. Right know, I have a $130 piece of silicon that doesn't work. The drivers they do provide only work under XFree86 4.1.0 and 4.2.0. To me, ATI has no Linux support.

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  9. hmf. kinda poor effort if you ask me. by ashridah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, since they've only released rpms for specific kernels that are shipped with redhat 7.3, I don't know that you can say they're supporting linux, so much as supporting a very small subset of linux.

    Too bad if you need to step outside the box, but then, if you're using high-end workstation graphics software, that's probably something you don't want to do, since the software's probably targeted at the same place. You tend to lose support from vendors quickly, even tho 99% of the time, the differences mean jack, unless the vendor's got crappy software to begin with. (you hearing me oracle?! your installer is a PITA)

    Still, redhat 7.3 is miles out of date, and that you're SOL if you need to say... use your own kernel for some reason, or hell, NOT use redhat at all.

    I really hate companies that do that. Redhat's always been far more annoying to configure and use than I'm even remotely interested in dealing with, and they keep making it more useless every time they make a release. Hell. I'd happily tell people to use windows than deal with the annoyances that come with trying to use redhat to get stuff done.
    [end generic rant]

    If course, since I just ragged on the HOLY REDHAT, I'm probably going to be on the receiving end of a massive moderation smackdown. oh well.

    ashridah

  10. Re:Why use "tainted"? by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "imagining that their PC has been hit by a virus, trojan horse or other undesirable event,"

    A tainted kernel is. undesirable. And it very well may be trojaned, You can't check.

    I'm not saying these big name companies would backdoor their own drivers, but someone could easily[*] hack their server and modify them

    [*]Easy as in this has happened with IRCII, BitchX, OpenSSH, and who knows how many others.

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