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Yahoo Buys Overture for $1.63 Billion
securitas writes "Today Yahoo announced it plans to buy search technology company Overture for $1.63 Billion. The move is seen as a way to compete with rivals like Google and MSN, especally in the paid search and advertising category. This takeover occurs following this article about Google and Overture's race to secure partners for its paid search advertising. Other reoprts at CNN Money, ZDNet/CNet, AP via the Washington Post, Reuters, Bloomberg and Dow Jones via Yahoo. Press release at Overture and Yahoo."
Where the heck did Yahoo get 1.63 Billion
If there is nothing left worth living, what are you willing to die for?
Is it too late, has google established such a name for itself that people won't try anything else?
Altavist was popular but full of ads so it was easy to switch because google was ad-free.
Is this the kind of monopolistic world we want?
Everyone used to use Yahoo. It was a verb, like many people use Google. "Do you Yahoo?" everyone said.
But now the big mama has had her throne taken by another, and is hotly pursuing the rival. Yahoo just recently bought up Inktomi (which will be very interesting to see what happens if they dump Google's web search and integrate Inktomi... which is probably bound to happen soon).. and now they just ate up Overture for PPC.
Yep. She's mad. But can she take back her place in the kingdom? I doubt it.
MSN I can see competiting with, but Google? The best part about Google is the complete lack of picture ads. A much better use of all that money would be to get rid of advertising, which is all over Yahoo.
When you don't have a leg to stand on, don't even get up.
Overture press release and the Yahoo Media Relations press release center.
Anyways I remember with Yahoo was "partnered" with altavista and it became big enough to be it's own search, hell I remember there being a "search more..." that would link to hotbot and other search engines of the day. Then there was the "partnership" with google, who became big and started to innovate after yahoo promoted them.
I think Yahoo needs to decide if it wants to be a portal or a search engine, because it's trying to be a one-stop-shop. You got games, music, movies, stock, travel, auctions, email, directions, and the kitchen sink. Is ad revenue really that big for these companies?
I stopped using yahoo when I realized that google found what I needed quicker with more precise search words. In essence I switched from yahoo to google because google was better.
Innovate don't just buy out the small fish, that practice is really old and sort of annoying.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Yahoo should have saved its pennies. Sure, buying Overture improves its position in the paid placement portion of the search market, but what Yahoo really needs is a search function that is on par with Google. People have been defecting from using Yahoo as their primary search engine for years, and they're not about to come back unless Yahoo can offer search results that are comparable to Google.
This acquisition isn't likely to help Yahoo do what it needs most: better searching. Until they achieve better search results, people are going to continue to defect to Google and its brethren.
I don't really use Google because it returns better results. I mean, it returns pretty good results. I manage to find what I need. But I really use Google because, while they do have advertising, their advertising is not obnoxious. It doesn't pop-up, blink, animate, or pretend to be legitimate search results or articles. It *does* occasionally actually pertain to what I'm looking for, as opposed to Yahoo's continued insistance that I need to lose weight and find a man... using, of course, the insanely-expensive Ediets and Yahoo! Personals.
So, in the end, Google would win even if it took me a few minutes longer to find what I wanted, because I can *bear* spending a few minutes on Google. Ten seconds on Yahoo, and my eyes are bleeding.
According to this morning's Wall Street Journal, what we are seeing right now with the NASDAQ is consistent with previous boom and bust investment cycles. It seems that there is a big runup, a big fall, and about 2.5 to 3 years later, a revisiting of the now-despised investments. Eventually, that residual boom dies off too. The expert they cited in the story figures the NASDAQ will peak at around 2400, well above its current 1750-ish level.
Before this is modded offtopic, what this means is that Yahoo!, which has enjoyed a tremendous runup in this recent boom now has some cash to invest. Looks like they are trying to do some expansion like back in the good ol' days when we had AOL buying Time Warner. Look for some other mergers and acquistions unless or until this boomlet ends.
In principio erat Verbum.
You've never heard of overture?
;) ...and they probably will, considering how high some of those PPC bids are. Last time I checked, web hosting was like $3-$5 dollars a click! It's ridiclous, but you have to do some of that if you are a small company that doesn't have your site at the top 10 or even 20, which is pretty hard to do on your own.
They used to be GoTo.com, but they changed their name to Overture a while back. They are not really a search engine--they are more of a pay-per-click advertising technology that is integrated with pretty much every search engine except Google.
Or, you could just check it out for yourself.
What are they hoping to get out of Overture? More than 1.63 billion
This is the latest in a series of buyout announcements that have come along in the last few weeks. It looks like the business community is preparing for economic recovery and these deals are meant to position themselves all the better for it. Most significantly, these deals are coming from several different industries:
Peoplesoft & JD Edwards (software)
Oracle & Peoplesoft (software)
Lehman Brothers & Neuberger Berman (finance)
Yellow Freight & Roadway (trucking)
Boise Cascade & Office Max (office products)
Let's see what the next few months bring, but the mood is definitely shifting.
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Speaking off the top of my head, I seem to remember that Yahoo is an acronym: "Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle", or something like that. If this were actually important, I'd probably have remembered the source as well.
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Yahoo seems to have lost the search war. And that doesn't seem to be a problem. Their search engine is their least compelling feature right now (well, second least compelling, right after the shopping section).
:P
Yahoo!Mail has, at least from what I can see, displaced Hotmail as the General Free E-Mail Provider Of Choice. (It absolutely amazes me Microsoft.) Now, i'm not a marketing research agency-- ll i have to work with is single data points, but I never hear anyone say "check my Hotmail" anymore. I hear "Check my Yahoo!Mail" a lot. And it seems to me that all 5,634 of my 11-year-old sister's friends use Yahoo Mail. They seem to act as some kind of borg-like unified swarm. And Yahoo!IM seems set to lose that war in the long run, but they aren't doing bad, for now. Certainly doing better than MSN messenger. And their news service is passable.
And all I know is, as long as Yahoo.com provides me a place where I can play scrabble on the internet, I'll keep coming back
Basically, they seem to be turning into the first non-shit instance of this mythical "portal" thingy everyone kept talking about during the dot-com bubble. For that, they need A search functionality, but they don't necessarily need perfect search.
(P.S. i don't know about you but i never heard ANYONE use 'yahoo' as a verb except in Yahoo.com advertising)
Can they beat Google? Hell no, never. Can they beat MSN? I'd bet money that they will.
How come the search engine on overture.com says,"Powered by Inktomi" which is a Yahoo! company ?
Altavista, as Altavista was owned by Overture.
http://www.altavista.com/about
It really shouldn't come as any surprise, but it looks like the search companies are just trying to push for more visitors, rather than focusing on a better product. It's this very same concept that made Yahoo become what is, in my opinon, it's biggest problem: bloatware. Let's face it, Google is the closest we have to a website that's really focused on being a search engine anymore. Hopefully this won't change anytime soon.
http://mediagoblin.org/
So, it's all about search engines, now, is it?
Ok, but I'm still waiting on push technology, portals and b2whatever to revolutionize my web 'experience'(*).
I will admit that I don't have any idea whether this makes good business sense, but my gut reaction is that Yahoo! is overpaying. In fact, I expect that this will throw them in the same leaky washbasin with AOL Time Warner, not Google.
(*) Face it -- NONE of this is going to get any better until we stop using words like 'experience' and 'product' to describe this stuff. Marketing is the real evil!
"Lawyers are for sucks."
- Doug McKenzie
Have a look at the article on El Reg
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
Overture used to be paid search portal GoTo.com which recently bought AltaVista for $140 million and then bought Fast Search / Alltheweb.com for $100 million. It was one of the IdeaLab properties. Interesting AP article about Overture's history and challenges over the last six years mirrored here.
...google gives better results. If now yahoo gives better results i'll switch. The internet is my tool to help me find what i need to know, i'll use the best search engine who ever it is. As for advertising, yes it is nice to see so litle at google but i have learned to ignore all advertising now anyway. A page has them imbedded and I barely notice it.
What the hell is "Google" or "Yahoo!" (Yes I know google means something but it sounds like it fell out of a gooses ass.)
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mainly because they have the usenet archives. There's just so much information there, that you can't get anywhere else.
Also, it really helps that they don't have irritating ads, and that it renders great in lynx.
How on earth is Yahoo!'s gonna compete with that? Seriously, I'd like to know. By using a state-of-the-art search engine? That's not going to cut it, not by a long shot.
Is Microsoft's software in any way "micro"?
Before personal computers evolved from 8-bit microcomputers ("micros" for short) to the VAX clones we know and love, Microsoft was making software for micros.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Can't really say anything intelligent about this buyout except that I got spooked out by that slow zoom the woman with the vacant stare with with those ominous dark clouds in the background? I think this merger is doomed.
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they are more of a pay-per-click advertising technology [...] Or, you could just _check_it_out_ [overture.com] for yourself
... how gullible do you think I am ... oh, damn ... wait, no please, not more ads ... noooo, somebody make it stop ...
wait, first you tell me that they're an online ad agency and then you expect me to click on the link to their homepage? Talk about death by a million pop-ups.
sheesh
"Because it's there." - George Mallory, when asked why he wanted to climb Mt Everest, March 18, 1923 (New York Times)
It's not too late at all. First, consider how the different search engines changed in popularity over the years. Lycos was big for a while, Alta Vista...no need to list them. I remember getting an email from a friend..."Google has over a million pages indexed!". That was the big news, then I started using it. As have many others. Times can change. And they will. Just because Google is number one now doesn't mean they'll stay entrenched in that spot. It's not like buying software for your computer and then not wanting to switch because you'll have to buy new stuff. Plus, you can always TRY another search engine, and if it's better, then you switch and tell your friends.
This is also interesting because of how all the different engines depend on each other in one way or another for their rankings.
Think about how many web developers, designers, consultants, etc are all bragging about their search engine placement capabilities. Obviously it's the next thing to make money on. The big boys want to make sure they're in there as more and more people are relying on search engines for business.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
of a 'better product' unless there's more people using it? They're giving it away for free in hopes that people will view ads, so *of course* they want more visitors. If google had a $10/year version with no ads, I bet they'd make a load of money off that, AND save bandwidth and processing power (or fit more *real* results in the same bandwidth). Sadly, I suspect that anyone that did this would price it higher than most could afford. $9.95/year *feels* like a good price point to probably a majority of consumers, but I think it'd be priced at $24.95 or $39.95/year or $14.95/month or something insanely greedy. :)
Probably what'll happen is google (or maybe teoma or someone smaller) will try 'ad-free' pages purchased in bulk - like $5 gets you 1000 ad-free results pages or something like that, so I can use them when I want, not on a timed basis (doesn't slashdot have this in place now?)
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They don't have much tech, but they have a good sales team.
Overture's product is to add "sponsored results" to search results. Their original GoTo.com product was nothing more than Inktomi's results with their sponsored results on top. Now, renamed as Overture their business is to sell the ads that get put at the top results at Yahoo and other search engines... pretty much all of the majors other that Google who does it themselves.
Basically, Yahoo's buying their supplier of sponsored results instead of building their own sponsored results system...
I don't think people Google is counting on people to mistakenly click the sponsored links. Otherwise, they wouldn't have taken the trouble to clearly label their links "Sponsored Links" and space them off from the other links. I've clicked sponsored links knowing full well they were paid advertisements simply because it looked like they had something I was interested in seeing. In fact, I've clicked on far more Google Sponsored Links than I have banner ads. Google is doing it right.
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I currently use overture to advertise one of my online products. The fact is it would take so long to get my page up on the search rankings that I would miss loads potential revenue for people doing a search for my product. Using overture it costs me $.10 - 1.50 per click depending on the search but the coverage is really good. I pop up on sites I didnt even know existed and I get more downloads then I expected. It is a sad fact but this is the direction the web is going to go. You will have to pay to be seen on the internet or hope that you get the 20,000+ hits to your website to even start to rank in the search list.
Yahoo is buying Overture to start sandbagging for the oncoming search engine wars. The browser war may have been lost years ago, but the search engine war is just heating up. The camps are aligning... Who are you going to side with?
As with most everyone else here, Google is my web- searcher of choice. Years ago it was Yahoo, but that is no more.
However, Yahoo is probably the site I use the most. They have tons of other features (news, games, (fantasy) sports, mail, address books, etc etc...), and most of them are free. I haven't found another site on the web that has anywhere near as many comprehensive and well-designed features as Yahoo. So, in the end, I couldn't care less about Yahoo's searching ability, because I don't think of Yahoo as a search engine any more. They're something different. And perhaps it is time for Yahoo to realize that also, and not spend billions of dollars improving the aspects of their site that no one needs anymore.
Yahoo! did not buy a "search engine" they purchased a company that provides a Pay Per Click advertising mechanism that is most likely very profitable. I can say that they they get a pretty good chunk of my advertising budget every month.
These are examples from my business. Using the same basic keywords.
google: $2.85 average cost per click
overture: $.95 average cost per click
Which one of those makes more sense to you from a business perspective?
Answer: It depends on who you're talking about. Overture is a wonderful thing to hand to a PHB to make him feel good. It has everything that PHBs love. Gambling, bluffing, seemingly high stakes, and best of all, it counts as "work". I'll never forget the look on my boss' face when I was leaving the company and told him that he would have to (read: get to) control the Overture listings. At that time, Overture had recently gone to a flexible pricing structure, meaning that if you bid $1.00 for a keyword, and your nearest competitor bid 75 cents, and the next bid 50 cents, you would pay 76 cents (1 penny more than the next highest bid), your competitor would pay 51 cents, et al. I was able to devise (at least, that's what I told him I did, after vast amounts of "research"; in reality, I think most dummies could figure this out) a plan. Storm into keywords with bids of upwards of $1.50, where the next highest bid would be in the 20 cent range. The companies bidding 20 cents aren't going to jump you up to $1.51, and you end up only actually paying 21 cents, while scaring off any serious bids to overtake you. Then, and here's where the gamesmanship and paying attention come in, if someone pulls the same thing on you, you bid $1.49 to their $1.50. Now every click costs your competitor $1.50, and only costs you 21 cents, even though you're in second. Bleed them dry. But watch out that they don't drop to $1.48 and turn the tables. My PHB loved this crap. He would sit and click refresh on the bid page just to make sure that Hated Company X wasn't pulling a fast one. Kept him off my back the last week I was there, and I'm sure he's still at it.
All that said, I found Overture to be a gigantic money suck, apparently a good enough one that Yahoo! would like it for themselves. Any industry with decent penetration has enough competition that bidding will get ridiculously out of hand. And I had a pretty good idea that our paid-for-listings on the likes of Yahoo were just cannibalizing the clicks from our actual search listing on Yahoo, and costing us 50 cents a click. Overture may be pretty much idiot-proof, but there are any number of free and relatively easy ways to increase traffic, if you've just got a little time and energy to put into it. So, if Overture changes, or dies, or melds into Yahoo, the PHBs (and those who deal with them) may be disappointed, but those with the ability to do a little actual work shouldn't actually care.
Yahoo is the name of some tribe / country / race in Jonathan Swift's novel "Gulliver's travels".
Yahoo's search results are (currently) provided by Google, and have been since 2000.
They've been outsourcing and not using their own technology since at least 1996.
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